We are about 3 to 10 years away from having effective medical Eugenics via Embryo selection/screening. China, and many Asian countries are already investing big in the technology and recently, scientists have warned that the west will fall behind Asia if we dont start breaking the stigma against Eugenics. What does pol think of the near term possibility of Eugenics?
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We'd be better off just sterilizing all non-whites.
Should have happened years ago. We would not have to deal with the genetically defective that way. Yet instead we get parents being proud of their special potatoes.
i've got a bad feeling about this
It's already underway, with the kikes using nigger sperm in sperm banks, immigration, porn…
The end result is dumber people with less human characteristics as opposed to the animalistic. This includes the jews themselves, even though they to sterilize Ethiopian jewish women in Israel. Jews abort themselves and a Rothschild is marrying a nigger.
They learned that they have to drink the poison they want us to drink. Scorpion and the frog, nothing new under the sun.
China has been collecting the DNA of their citizens. I bet they will go for
Here's hoping, at least.
Silly me.
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Eugenics is already happening its just not what the kikes want, hence their need to import millions of shitskins.
Liberals aren’t breeding anymore and temperament and predilections to certain political positions are very much inheritable, the 2010 US survey and Europoll 2011 both found that 93%+ of individuals had the same political and religious affiliation as their parents once they were older than 25. Indicating some form of heritable trait is being passed on.
You can see it in the birthrates by political affiliation and race within in the USA. White Democrats: 0.9, Jews: 0.8, blacks: 1.4, and spics: 1.6. White republicans are between 2.6 and 2.9 depending on whose numbers you use, with the highest being recorded in the General Social Survey which also has the largest sample set.
If the 2014 white conservative birthrates and those of the other demographic groups remained constant without additional input via immigration by 2050 only 20% of individuals in the US will be descended from habitual Democrat voters or self described liberals and only 7% will be black.
That is what the demoshits have feared for so long, that is why they want to import shitskins so desperately.
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Natural selection cannot be cheated.
Ass blasted browns incoming when people select their children to be blond and blue-eyed, just like in brazil with semen donation imports.
they don't have a lot to work with. consider they have 600 - 700 million ant men in china and the largest penis size they can find is 6.5 inches. for reference, that's the average in a tiny country like hungary.
Why would on concentrate on penis size though? So that the rest of the world stops mocking them?
A healthy society already has all the necessary eugenic mechanisms built into it that could be required to prune the gene pool at a natural rate. This is merely using technology, once again, to cover up a hole in our social organization that will continue to go ignored if these measures are adopted.
What's more, high IQ is rare because, believe it or not, it's NOT always the best for survival. There is always a cost-benefit analysis that needs to be done in cases like this, and high IQ individuals tend to have a number of different problems than low IQ individuals, who have different problems from average IQ individuals, who have different problems than slightly above average IQ individuals. Who knows what effects shifting the average IQ up by a standard deviation could have socially? The only example we have are Ashkenazi Jews, and their social outlook and organization is VERY dangerous, short-sighted and neurotic, and they managed to achieve this result gradually over a long period of time and adjust. It's a very dangerous thing to play with all at once.
Such approaches merely discourage actual natural solutions and invite potential disaster in exchange for short term gains.
High verbal iq, user. They're a balmy mid 90s iq in every other metric.
Also the disgusting nature of the kike is exacerbated by their inherent psychopathy not as a result of being a population that's more intelligent than every one else.
and the poorer whites get the more kids they'll have.
Eugenics and gene manipulation is fantstic in theory, except for two things:
1. We still don't really know enough not to fuck ourselves up by accident, and
2. We do know enough that the Jews who will control the process can breed the white out of us much more efficiently than at present, when they're limited to what cuck porn and overseas rapists can accomplish.
There's your answer – It will be great after we gas the kikes. Just like everything else.
Communists don't want intelligence, they want submission. Intelligent slaves revolt eventually, if only because they're smart enough to go insane under their domination. Communists all fantasize about ruling a literal planet of the apes, where they're finally not inadequate faggots by comparison. Witness Shorty McTinydick Stalin's brilliant plan to literally crossbreed Russians with gorillas to make super soldiers. It's the totalitarians' dream.
I read something about chinks using European genes in their eugenic labs to curb the inbreeding due to their overpopulation
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This. They are rolling it out now while they can control everything.
I have literally been intending to make a thread about this.
Embryo screening.
Make a dozen embryos using egg harvesting and in vitro fertilization.
screen them genetically.
Pick the embryo (or 2) with the best balance of ability and lower disease/ weakness/ etc.
Put in woman.
Make better baby.
All of the genetic diseases could be weeded out in a few generations, and no one suffers or anything.
Big wins all around.
Furthermore, there is no "genetic engineering" involved so far, far lower risks of unforeseen horrorshow complications.
(of course, that is only if the entire industry is under the control of the Volk and is working for the interests of the Volk. jewish tricks must be kept 100% away from White eugenics)
Horrible.
Super chink hives incoming.
White people must take back our future very soon.
Otherwise the chinks will BTFO all of us with their state-mandated eugenics breeding super-chinks.
And they will likely be gene-stealing from Whites in order to further improve their ant-genes.
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The "low birthrates" among White people will correct themselves given enough generations and secure homelands. Indeed, we will be stronger for it as the leftist idiots will be weeded out.
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Remove kikes and other non-Whites before any eugenics.
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aka the kalergi-codehaven plan
Have you met a nerd in your life?
Just as an aside, I would like to mention that like designer shoes, designer jeans, and designer anything, the only people who are going to be interested in designer children are women. Please do keep this in mind when discussing eugenics, because women are not apt to pick genes based on any criteria other than what is fashionable in society, and "Awww, look at the cute baaaabbbyyyyy!"
Bullshit. They can only weed out faulty genes if they know what genes cause the faults in the first place. Does one screen out a gene that increases a risk of breast cancer despite the fact that the gene could also cause a favorable trait? Also, such an activity with stagnate human evolution because a perceived "faulty" gene will be removed slowly essentially leading to future generations being nothing more than genetic clones with different.parents.
The world need autists (some of which are Zig Forums) to get obsessive about shit enough to be top-tier diggers. Would Zig Forums without autists be as effective?
This will not happen due to investment requirements for any thorough genetic analysis. Jews also want to fund this research so they van create their flawless jewish messiah. Their super jew as was foretold by their prophets. This is why you are seeing so many genetic failures living in israel.
Fucking checked. This is true.
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They can do that right now you kike concern troll and Women worldwide want White mens sperm for breeding they never have been able to to keep up with the demand.
It could help bleach the world since women in general overwhelming want White mens sperm to breed European, Americaan,Asian , African and Latin clinics all have their highest request for the lightest skin, non-black hair, light eyes.
Hell even the niggers acknowledge that coon women want to be bred by White men ,White men get away with way more then they let coon men like jumping in to fights for them and letting it go when a White man calls them a bitch. Then the repeated answer is always " black women want dem pretty lightskin babies with good hair das why dem white boys always get away with it".
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why do you black pill shills always use the same images? You think that Europe and America is going to keep bringing in that many people without some sort of breakdown or revolution? We are already seeing it happen in Europe.
I can't give more details than this, but embryo screening is already a thing in China and certain city states. Its mostly for old women doing IVF avoiding tards but there have been a number of jews doing it to avoid Tay-Sachs and the like.
It costs over 75k USD and yields a rank order of about 4-12 embryos
This is the two-edged problem with all new technology. Anything created that can be used for good, the kikes will twist to use it against whites. It's easy to guess what they're going to do.
They're going to take the same basic idea they laid out in (((psychology))), categorizing racial realism, preference for one's race, anything considered "white-supremecist," as unhealthy. The analog to this is to simultaneously acknowledge white IQ and then use that justification to (((level the playing field))) - the same with height and immune systems. Then, categorize any distinct white facial patterns that are distinctive to whites as banned and so any embryos will be selected for anything vaguely non-white, basically defects.
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Genetic engineering makes eugenics irrelevant.
You people that advocate it are the worst autists you know that right?
This is the worst larp. Stop it retards.
Leftists are also the ones that conflate gene engineering with eugenics and you fags walk into it.
Nigger, you think all those blonde blue eyed people that live and lived in scandinavia fell from the sky?
They had eugenics since time immemorial.
sexual selection you retard.
Sexual selection is eugenics as practiced by women though. I would bet one of the reasons eugenics is such a dirty word is because women don't want their monopoly on it threatened.
Reminder that the Bogdanoff brothers directly or indirectly own over 98% of genetics testing laboratories
Its not eugenics you dumb fucking shit.
Its one of two evolutionary mechanisms and its the man who decides in this case you beta cuckold.
Eugenics is people deciding who breeds. Which is universally regarded as a dumb idea by anyone with a functional iq. Its not natural selection despite what larpers feel.
Do they truly exist and are pro-white?
Transhumanism is the most Jewish ideology out there except for actual Judaism.
Can speak from experience, black women fear black men even as they cry foul every time a brutha gets caught. But the part they miss is that black women are the cause of this. They're terrible mothers. Again, I speak from first hand experience.
Is that you in frame 4 there?
that's not a good thing you retard. Coalburning is never acceptable it doesn't matter if you are a white man fucking some AIDS ridden nigger cunt.
The way I see it, Asia will end up surpassing white countries in all areas while white countries degrade into ramshackle, core-crashed, second-world countries. It seems like we'll just turn into India or Brazil, eventually. Nonwhites are the water we can't bail out of our ships, ensuring we sink to the murky depths to join the rotted hulls of the old ships that came before. It's nightmare fuel. And you're kidding yourself if you think Asians are going to have a sudden and diffusive burst of empathy for us and throw us a ladder and rope. Asians just don't think like that. We live in the real world and in the real world, it's sink or swim; you either dominate or get dominated. The weak get swallowed whole by the gaping jaws of the powerful. When you look around and see the degeneration swallowing the glory of your progenitors without relent, remind yourself why things are bad. When you become a minority in your own nation in the next ten years, remember who is to blame. There is only one solution: genocide.
Yes and my point, which is that in our current system women decide who breeds based on their own criteria, which have a significant genetic component, is apparently lost on you.
The thing i hate about niggerloving spawn is they inherit the worst mental traits of both races.
The delusional ego of the nigger is quadrupled for some reason when mixed with White genes.
So you have this ugly son of a bitch that thinks hes the greatest thing ever created and is as dumb as a retard.
Women picking partners is not eugenics yoi fucking retard.
Eugenics is other people deciding for people. Not people deciding for themselves.
Shut the fuck up already.
Half jew half blacks are even worse off because they have the insanity of jews mixed with the aggression and low IQ of blacks
blacks have very feminine minds. They are a lot like women in they expect everything to be handed to them with no work.
Can it be unjudaized by means of reverse osmosis engineering?
Slavs consider them very feminine for the same reason and their retarded fashion obsession. Plus, they're generally fairly weak and hyper emotional.
So under your definition an individual deciding, with genetic editing, what kind of genetic profile their own offspring will have in terms of height, skin color, iq, etc, is not eugenics?
In essence, eugenics is the selecting of good and desirable traits. Dysgenics is the opposite. So, when women make a mate choice, they make either a eugenic choice or a dysgenic choice. From what we've been able to learn since feminism started, women tend to make sub-optimal sexual choices. Generally, sexually, they prefer muscle and brawn over knowledge and brain. For long-term, reproductive relationships, they opt for the latter but because of their preferences and emotionally-oriented thinking, that isn't always the case. If we implemented arranged marriage again, we'd see a boost in IQ and physical health within a few generations.
I'll add, it's the "latter" because the latter generally has more money and resources. It isn't their sexual preference though, which is why they tend to cheat with younger, hotter guys who have big muscles and smaller bank accounts and less impressive clothes.
Where it gets into the weeds is what the 'good' is and who it is for. Women are always practicing eugenics (selecting a mate with desirable qualities) in their own minds. It's just not always good for the maintenance of a society at large.
Larpers once again proving they are retarded
Eugenics = planned breeding a bit like planned economies.
Protip: some of the biggest proponents of eugenics are leftists. Something the media covers up.
The two main evolutionary mechanisms are
Natural selection =/= eugenics.
Sexual selection =/=eugenics
Likewise genetic engineering =/= eugenics. There is no dictating breeding.
Its editing genes.
Leftists often hysterically refer to any theoretical genetic engineering as eugenics when its competely false (despite hypocritically being the biggest proponents of eugenics)
So, eugenics and dysgenics can occur at both the micro level (individual) and the macro level (group). Macro level is what controls the direction a group travels in. Right now, Jews are driving us into a brick wall at two hundred miles per hours.
Fuck off, you retard. Essentially, eugenics is the selecting for good traits. It can't be any other way. How else is it supposed to make people better, shithead? Also, your choice of the term "LARPer" is non-sequitur. Nothing I've written in this thread qualifies me as a LARPer. You can't even into basic ideas.
You're the retard you stupid shit.
Eugenics is people dictating what they feel is good breeding to other people. That is the definition.
Its importantly not natural selection its not Darwinian at all. Hence why its fucking retarded and advocated by stupid people.
Also in the regard that, like women, they don't feel any real emotions, just facsimiles of them. They only feel animal urges like eating and fucking and can only imitate emotional responses as a survival mechanism.
There are objectively good traits, like strength and intelligence. And objectively bad ones, like weakness and stupidity. Eugenics is about selecting the good ones. It isn't about what people "feel".
Qualifying your stupidity here. All selection is natural selection because it takes place in nature. Man scientifically selecting traits he wants is just a continuation of the processes that lead to man in the first place. His processes and tools are merely advanced natural creations that appear unnatural compared to the rest of the less advanced natural world.
Real world eugenics has only created mulatto evolutionary hybrid zones.
This is the result of leftist eugenics something the vast number of people are unaware of.
If you understand that and still support eugenics whats wrong with you?
From their point of view eugenics means no more white people.
Garbage traits are now good, good traits are bad.
Thats what eugenics gives you.
Entire races raped by stupidity.
Natural selection doesn't adhere to what you think is good or bad.
There are blind weak animals that survive perfectly fine because natural selection is working.
Darwinian principles doesn't adhere to a ladder of improvements.
Once again like all larpers you're an idiot.
If I start selecting for blonde hair only because I think blonde hair is good and I prevent all non-blondes from reproducing, that is still natural section because I am a part of nature selecting for things I want. Go back to school, you utterly uneducated moron.
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Why is selection so hard for most "people" to understand?
It isn't a person. People are intelligent. I think it's some kind of mutant ape.
No that isn't natural selection. Fullstop.
That is eugenics something unatural and man made.
You have to be misinformation shill or so ething no one is this stupid.
If you think natural selection means intelligent selection you are seriously single digit iq.
Go back to school lol.
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IT IS BECAUSE I AM A PART OF NATURE SELECTING FOR WHAT I WANT. It is natural selection by definition.
You are immeasurably retarded.
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You idiot.
No one gives a shit what you want you are low iq.
Proponents of eugenics always fail their criteria.
You want all blondes yet you are most likely a brunette south american piece of shit.
Appealing to authority. As man is a product of nature and is part of it, man selecting for traits he wants is also natural selection.
holy shit end your self you fucking degenerate.
You have no idea about anything and are severly retarded.
You have nothing but name calling and logical fallacies. The reason Darwin differentiated was because his thinking was influenced partly by Christianity. As far as logic is concerned, if man is merely a product of evolution and nothing more, if he selects for things he wants, that is still natural selection and it is natural selection by definition. Nothing I have said is wrong.
You literally fail at logic.
No you idiot you just don't understand anything.
Natural selection isn't even about "selecting" there is no selecting.
Creatures just live or die depending on their traits and the living ones pass them on.
There is no selecting you underage retarded faggot.
You need to be beat with a stick till you learn to shut the fuck up.
"Eugenic" just means 'good genes.' As the other poster said, compare dysgenic. Your definition is just propaganda you've swallowed.
Not following your reasoning here. Humans shouldn't undertake in any activity that doesn't happen in nature? Darwin is the final authority on genetics?
So expanding on our earlier example of an individual having a child with edited genes, what if his government encouraged and sponsored parents to edit those traits? What if the government paid for the treatment? What if the government mounted a propaganda campaign to this effect? Ostensibly the individual still has choice in the matter. Is that not eugenics, too? At what point does it become 'eugenics' to you?
You keep calling me an idiot but anyone with a grasp of elementary logic can tell you're handicapped.
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Because you are an idiot. Natural selection has nothing to do with intelligence.
You are completely are out of your depth. How you manage to even type is amazing.
You see the word selection and with no knowledge of Darwinian theory or evolution pretend you know what you are talking about.
You are the most degenerate form of human shit.
All you have for your Argument is an appeal to a an outdated and arbitrary distinction. If man is a product of nature, he can select for traits he wants, and therefore it is natural selection. It doesn't matter that man is intelligent and can use advanced tools in the process.
Editing genes wouldn't be eugenics because its not dictating breeding.
Often when you read larpers discussing eugenics you hear things like
Ignoring facts like down syndrome isn't a heritable condition and they don't really breed anyway.
If you could edit out a disease from a person so their descendants don't have the disease that would be a good thing. Again genetic engineering =/= eugenics.
Evolution isn't an outdated and arbitary thing you regressive degenerate.
Just because you can't wrap your head around my point, that doesn't make it wrong. I understand what natural selection is. I also understand, unlike you, that anything natural involved in the natural selection process is part of it. Man selecting for what he wants is part of it. Man selecting for face tentacles with scientific instruments is part of it.
I never said it was. I said the distinction between aritifical and natural is.
From the perspective of the person defining good genes any ne with an ounce of intellegience and intelkectual honesty can see the problem.
Like it was said earlier many leftists secretly have eugenic plans. From their perspective eugenics means no more white people.
Its a very subjective and flawed theory.
Eugenicists used to believe quite strongly in miscegenation. Do you agree with miscegenation?
Your proposal is artificial idiot.
Man is a part of nature just as much as any tree or dog is. Because man is a part of nature only, it is natural. There is nothing artificial about it.
Go fuck the earth you pagan retard.
The main reason for the distinction between artifical and natural is because of Christianity, a religion that believes man to be above nature. It influences our philosophies to this day. If you believe in materialism and evolution, man can only be a natural thing and therefore anything man creates is also natural.
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I do see it. I already said as much here:
Obviously, the good has a subjective quality. However I think the issue is more nuanced, which is mostly why I took those contrarian positions to begin with. "Eugenics" as a formalized system of government sponsored breeding is a bad idea, and on that we agree. But soft social controls do exist naturally in a functioning society that do influence what individuals regard as good and bad traits and which do influence their selection of mates. Social systems exist which, not to long ago, provided pro-civilizational family structures and value systems by countering the natural inclinations of women in mate selection.
No the distinction natural and artificial is how it works idiot.
Natural selection has no intelligence behind it. There is no emotion, malice, hate, benevolence or error. There isn't even any selecting that is a misnomer. Its one of the purest principles in the universe. Competely natural. Natural is referring how it happens.
Artificial means intelligence was behind it, planning, emotions etc.
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