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Isaiah Peterson
Isaiah Peterson

You know the drill.

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Jose Young
Jose Young

rape doesn't exist….women passive-aggressively desire dominance from their partner and since most women are mentally ill, it creates a conundrum of cucking and competition that would be solved if women were given no quarter.

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

Ped/zoo/necro/children's liberation is vital for a functional left society, nonhuman species are smarter than us, but we should still eat them because plants are people too, "Cultural Marxism" may be nazi bullshit but it's a sign that someone is going to talk about a good idea, and we actually do have to abolish the family, school, and the state.
And… your mom, and what I did to her right before typing this message.

Jackson Turner
Jackson Turner

I agree with 2/3 of your post.
Sadly true.

Lincoln Jones
Lincoln Jones

This board has been overrun by /pol/luters and the mods do nothing to take the garbage out. In fact, instead they delete and autosage perfectly good leftist discussion.

Kevin Cooper
Kevin Cooper

No, that shit is only vital to a functional image board.

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

This isn’t a thread for popular opinions

Jayden Martin
Jayden Martin

The revolution isn't coming. The US would have to fall for socialism not to get empire'd and not even the entire rest of the planet could stop the US military, even with burger deserters. Climate change will cook the earth before the falling rate of profit ends capitalism. We're all doomed. We're on board a meteor bound inevitably to crash. All we can do is hold onto each other and reduce the harm and suffering in the time we have left.

I think all of you are pretty swell even when we disagree on things and I hope you find some happiness before the end.
<3

Kayden Ortiz
Kayden Ortiz

I, too, am barely to the left of the comintern/anarchomaoists, user.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

necro liberation
Fuck you! The dead deserve to stay dead!

Mason Nguyen
Mason Nguyen

The US would have to fall for socialism not to get empire'd
And so it shall. The United States is being held together by the most robust police state in human history and an obscenely expensive expeditionary military. That shit just is not sustainable. It is collapsing not due to an outside threat but due to the ever-increasing unproductive weight on its back.

Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey

The Singularity and transhumanism are the most important issues of our time, and should be discussed far more.

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Elijah Sanders
Elijah Sanders

This is idiotic. Women are sexually aroused by dominance, but rape is extremely psychologically traumatic. Very often, women will respond in a physically aroused way to rape, while finding the experience horribly traumatic and damaging. It's really disgusting that you think this way.

…and you more than topped the last post. This is fucking disgusting.

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

SJWs largely don't exist irl and the disinterested normie is far more of an issue to organization of proles than some college students and irrelevant dinosaur organizations
Most of you are social democrats or liberals that would rather collaborate with reaction than abolish capitalism
Reading theory is important, but if all you do with it is make shit videos or try to gain clout in your social circle then you're useless
A revolution is almost certainly going to happen in the near future, but in our current state it will quickly be hijacked by opportunists to result in social democracy at best
Zig Forums is a dead end and we need to have a backup for when it collapses or else we're going to be stuck on cuckchan or twitter

Alexander Phillips
Alexander Phillips

I'd say lower the age of consent, but there seems to be more people here nowadays who agree with this than there used to be, probably because of the radlib faggots being driven off.

necro
You're a disgusting degenerate and you need to die.

not even the entire rest of the planet could stop the US military, even with burger deserters.
This used to be the case, but China and Russia have now caught up to the US and even exceeded it in some ways.

Climate change will cook the earth before the falling rate of profit ends capitalism. We're all doomed.
This is sadly a far more accurate statement.

Brayden Ross
Brayden Ross

Israel will have to be radically decolonized after liberation. Any trace of Western Zionism (such as the modern Hebrew language) will have to be exterminated.

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

exterminated
Interesting choice of words, fuckface

Easton Watson
Easton Watson

gas yourself jew

Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

I think Jason Unruhe is very entertaining and you guys shut on him too much.

Adam Murphy
Adam Murphy

I believe people sometimes do engage in “class-reductionism” too much but class is the preponderate conflict in society

I like the idea of setting up communal experiments and settlements

Hate speech and anti-fascist laws are a good idea

Theory isn’t as important as it’s made out to be, though people should at least learn / be tought the basics

Immigration isn’t a spooky capitalist plot

Revolution is possible in America

Joshua Harris
Joshua Harris

GTFO this board, Nazi piece of shit.

Blake Miller
Blake Miller

Deal with it. Colonizers bring this on themselves.

Xavier Howard
Xavier Howard

Remember to report Nazis to alert the vols that these faggots are shitting up the board

Grayson Price
Grayson Price

I'm sure you feel the same way about all Americans, Australians, Canadians, Mestizos, etc.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

good point

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

i do

Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

Ok, here's one.

Boomers themselves fail to realize that they actually pushed identity politics to it's absurd and logical conclusion with both the new left and the dixiecrat movement shit. Before that, the left was class focused, giving little to no fucks about political correctness and ldpol, albeit not necessarily ignoring the underclass status of black people.

As a matter of fact, feminism as a whole doesn't belong on the left. You just replace white supremacists with women (even if it's "inclusive") and it's basically the same fascist garbage.

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

The Amerifat left is idpozzed because American institutions for the longest time refused to recognize class based grievances as legitimate and instead elevated those who phrased issues in terms of identity and civil rights. It was all by design. It's like the more you resist the stronger it gets.

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Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

t. reddit rapefugee who is extremely triggered by the fact that people call each other niggers outside of his safe space

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

feminism as a whole doesn't belong on the left.
This board is truly fascist garbage now

Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez

You just replace white supremacists with women (even if it's "inclusive") and it's basically the same fascist garbage.
So this is more of a troll than your own personal unpopular opinion?

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Jose Ortiz
Jose Ortiz

It’s probably not a troll. This board (/leftypol/ too) has a massive hate-boner for feminism in general. Even socialist feminism is attacked

Noah Taylor
Noah Taylor

Pro tip for all of you: anti-feminism (female identitarianism) doesn't mean anti-women, nor being against their rights.

We are not against working class women emancipation. We are against the embodiment of female identity politics (feminism). "Socialist" feminism is an oxymoron, much like third positionism is.

Also:

This board (/leftypol/ too) has a massive hate-boner for feminism in general

Well…yeah? We are against idpol in general. Why would we support identitarianism? Before you're women, you're working class and you are being exploited for being part of the proletariat, not because you have a pussy.

Man, woman, gay, straight, black, white, jew, you name it. We are all being fucked in the ass by the bourgeoisie, while you complain about mansplaining and cultural appropiation. Instead of being sectarian with your idpol, how about you focus on class struggle? Also, there's nothing revolutionary in enshrining liberal constructs like race, ethnicity, etc.

Bentley Nguyen
Bentley Nguyen

if we redefine feminism to mean something else we can claim to be both anti-feminists and feminists at the same time
Please, just kill yourself. Your brain is beyond repair.

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

We've never pretended to be feminists. Your argument boils down to feminism = equality, which is not; for the same reason being pro M.R.A. isn't.

Feminists want female emancipation and it can come at the expense of working class men of all races, ethnicities and sexual orientations, if you must.

Feminism, much like M.R.As, BLM etc are all bourgeois ideologies to divide the working class.

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Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

It actually is.

Alexander White
Alexander White

Liar.

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Nathaniel King
Nathaniel King

nor being against their rights.
Wrong
"Socialist" feminism is an oxymoron
Wrong
Why would we support identitarianism?
He says sporting a "Brocialist" flag
Before you're women, you're working class and you are being exploited for being part of the proletariat, not because you have a pussy.
Which magically makes all our male troubles disappear. realize women in non-western nations generally have it tougher, but you haven't a clue what it's like to be a woman.
while you complain about mansplaining and…
I don't. Even when I'm facing it.

Feminism=socialism. Even the liberals had the decency to attach "third wave" to their bullshit.
the expense
Real socialist-feminism isn't expensive
BLM
That's a little group of people trying to get something done about police brutality. The attacks that make them out to be Black Panther like thugs only concerned with black supremacy are the divisive bourgeois.

Get your head together.

Henry Torres
Henry Torres

I realize women in non-western nations

Wyatt Hughes
Wyatt Hughes

Which magically makes all our male troubles disappear. realize women in non-western nations generally have it tougher, but you haven't a clue what it's like to be a woman.
God, just look at this disingenuous bullshit. Forget "women" and "western." People in the global capitalist periphery generally have it tougher.

[BLM is] a little group of people trying to get something done about police brutality. The attacks that make them out to be Black Panther like thugs
actually prefers the Democrat-sponsored BLM to the Black Panthers
This is your brain on identity.

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Chase Richardson
Chase Richardson

Very often, women will respond in a physically aroused way to rape, while finding the experience horribly traumatic and damaging
If they are physically aroused what is the problem?

Brody Cooper
Brody Cooper

Liberty for men and slavery for women. It is the only way to create a functional communist society.

Christian Bailey
Christian Bailey

BLM
bad
Here we realize we are arguing against a reactionary who just recently “converted” to leftism while continuing to be reactionary.

Camden Robinson
Camden Robinson

Criticizing feminists for embracing feels over class isn't being against women, nor against their rights. Nobody's opposing your right to have a job or being self autonomous. You're being criticized for embracing identity politics, not because you happen to be a woman. If you were a man, while also being a feminist, you'd get shit on as well. Your gender is irrelevant.

He says sporting a "Brocialist" flag

Weren't you the ones that started the whole #Notmycomrades nonsense, labeling class-focused leftists (or, according to you, "class reductionists") as "brocialists" and "manarchists"? Brocialism isn't even a thing, and even if it was it's class based, therefore it isn't idpol, like at all; quite the opposite.

By using the flag, I'm simply stating "fuck idpol"; class is what matters most".

realize women in non-western nations generally have it tougher

All of their struggles caused by capitalism; therfore it requires class-based action, not idpol.

but you haven't a clue what it's like to be a woman.

Not an argument. Also, your 1st world feminist struggles doesn't matter at all. I couldn't care less how women are depicted in media (be it movies, videogames et al), lack of media representation of "minorities" (notice how you are the ones dehumanizing them, not us) nor do I care about flimsly stuff like the stare rape.

Feminism=socialism. Even the liberals had the decency to attach "third wave" to their bullshit.

Isn't it funny how the overwhelming majority of feminists tend to be liberal? Or are you gonna claim the "no true scotsman" fallacy? Also, if I said meninism=socialism, it wouldn't fly anywhere. Socialism necessarily needs to reject identitarianism, which feminism is.

Real socialist-feminism isn't expensive

Yep, you did claim the fallacy. Anyway, too bad the vast majority of feminists aren't even socialists, but hardcore neoliberals.

That's a little group of people trying to get something done about police brutality. The attacks that make them out to be Black Panther like thugs only concerned with black supremacy are the divisive bourgeois.

Is that why they went apeshit during Bernie Sanders's rally in california and actually shut it down, despite the fact Sanders has always been against systematic racism? If they truly cared about helping black people, they'd focus on class struggle, because their oppression is class based. Instead, they shove their unwarranted self importance everywhere and pick fights against the people that support them the most. Talk about sectarianism.

Get your head together.

I do. Apparently, you don't get the memo that identitarianism (feminism, alt-right, M.R.A/M.G.T.O.W) were created by the bourgeoisie to divide us all and pit us against each other. Your absurd outrage over the fact that we despise identitarianism on any side proves it.

Idpol is against the left, period. It's neoliberalism 1.01

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Lucas Martinez
Lucas Martinez

This is your brain on identity
BLM humiliating police with videos of their own brutality is bad because they vote Democrat, let me ignore all the criticism and protests against elected dems BLM has done
This is your brain on idealism

Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

Also, since when this place started to attrack r/socialist fags?

Go back, LARPers.

Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

another crypto reactionary liberal trying to disguise his opposition to people fighting materially manifesting Idpol as anti Idpol
/lefty pol/ never changes

Isaiah Russell
Isaiah Russell

arguing against a literal SJW strawman of feminism
Fuck off back to /pol/

Carter Mitchell
Carter Mitchell

You problematic cis-het white male shitlord!
ftfy

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

Nothing the user said has contradicted the goals of what you're insisting is feminism, they're just relentlessly insisting on using the word to refer to the sort of beliefs most often called feminism and held by people who identify as supporters of feminism circa 2018, ie.

Which is liberal bullshit, given that the ideological makeup of the mainstream is almost all liberal bullshit in either direction now.

I fail to see the issue with using a term to refer to what the majority of other people in society use it to refer to rather than to a collection of books and authors whos ideas it referred to in the near past and the former meaning is related to. Words don't magically get a 'correct' meaning from history, they mean whatever people in general use them to mean.
Stop being butthurt because youve adopted some ideology as part of your identity.

Camden Davis
Camden Davis

Rojava is imperalist

William Phillips
William Phillips

This. Even rationalwiki, aka idpolwiki, acknowledges the argumentum ad dictionarium that feminists like to invoke when dealing with criticism:

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_dictionarium#Feminism

Adam Bell
Adam Bell

You seem awfully defensive.

Mason Sullivan
Mason Sullivan

The Nazi's are the real socialists

Jonathan Lopez
Jonathan Lopez

I fail to see the issue with using a term to refer to what the majority of other people in society use it to refer to rather than to a collection of books and authors whos ideas it referred to in the near past and the former meaning is related to. Words don't magically get a 'correct' meaning from history, they mean whatever people in general use them to mean.
Majority of people think that socialism is when the government does stuff and communism is when everyone gets payed the same. I guess we should just accept that and ignore the books.

Andrew Powell
Andrew Powell

Destroying Israel should not be a priority.

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

Brocialist flag ITT is making some shitty arguments but it's pretty funny how those aren't what are pissing people off.
Nothing the user said has contradicted the goals of what you're insisting is feminism,
Yeah, the sticking point isn't the policies of gender equality but the use of the word itself. It's signifier/signified confusion. Common thing with self-identified feminists is to insist on the label specifically while leaving the actual ideas undefined. It's motte and bailey tactics

Why not? They're a major puppet of US imperialism and they're pissing off the entire world with their bullshit. Opposing them is good optics everywhere but Israel and the US.

Christopher Cox
Christopher Cox

Not him but holy fuck BLM has turned into the most cynical shit. Seriously, look at any police brutality video now. If it's a black guy getting beat up, BLM burnouts just go "of course." A non-black person? "Well they don't like it huh/this is satisfying etc etc."

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

Destroy Israel
Leave various Arab warlords leaders to pick the carcass
More Palestinians die for nothing

Adam Cox
Adam Cox

Internet comments bring out of the worst aspects of humanity

Easton Richardson
Easton Richardson

Israelis are warlords and are also die-hard western imperialist reactionaries. Even in your scenario the destruction of Israel still a net gain.

Jacob Clark
Jacob Clark

Arab states are anti-imperialist
/reddit/index.html

Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

The only reason regional powers care about that area is that Israel is antagonistic toward them. Turn it back into Palestine and they won't give a fuck. The only thing of (debatable) value is the religious and cultural significance. It's not even a very strategic location.

Xavier Young
Xavier Young

literally idpol
eventually turns utterly shitty
Who whoulda thunk it????

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Marxism implemented
mass-repression and deaths, culminating in the re-appearance of capitalism and other natural practices
Who woulda thunk

David Edwards
David Edwards

<'M'-L = M

Carter Jenkins
Carter Jenkins

Male pride worldwide!

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

Projection. I'm not, I just want people to be consistent. Israel is part of the same colonial project as Australia, the United States, Canada, Brazil, etc. I'm fine with people being against Israel, just so long as they're against the other parts of the colonial project.

That said, even if the creation of Israel is morally indefensible in the same way the creation of the United States and Australia was, I'm generally against killing. I don't care where your ancestors were, I care where you are. So I'm okay with the Israelis staying where they are, with the exception of the settlements, which I think do need to be dismantled. I think Palestinians need to be made citizens on equal standing with other Israelis.

I'm generally against national borders everywhere. The reason the two-state solution was the most reasonable position two years ago was that Israelis felt vulnerable to terrorist attacks by Hamas and its affiliates, so they weren't ready for a one-state solution. But now that the occupied territories (Gaza, the West Bank) have shrunken thanks to the settlements, a two-state solution is no longer feasible. The Israeli right wing's desire for a Jewish state is murderous, but there are still Jihadi elements of Hamas. Both these extremes should be cracked down on, Jews and Palestinians should be raised together as singular communities, and religiosity should frankly be discouraged.

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

There's something inherently fucked up with leftism - or maybe leftists.
While (generic) leftism is so absolutely and funtamentally correct about capitalism that we can't not be leftists, there's this huge problem with mental illness and authoritarianism. And not just today, but since always. Maybe there are a bunch of LARPers in our midst. Maybe people on the fringes see problems more clearly. Maybe there's cointelpro or some shit. Maybe a problem-prone personality correlates with a readiness for radical thought. But in any case, the twitter t(r)ankies, nazbols and internationale-singing SJW's are everywhere and their equivalents have always been.
Put differently;
In addition to this there is the horrible — the really disquieting — prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and 'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.

Jonathan Long
Jonathan Long

The issue is with authoritarianism, not leftism. Keep in mind that ideologies like anarcho-communism are the farthest left.
Also, I genuinely don't understand why you're picking on the Quakers. I'm generally anti-Christian, but the Quakers seem to be the good ones.

Joseph Clark
Joseph Clark

mental illness
aka "this worker is not functioning correctly according to my bourgeois sensibilities"

Brayden Powell
Brayden Powell

Reading theory is a waste of time

Julian Young
Julian Young

The issue is with authoritarianism, not leftism
Hence my complaining about their seemingly unnecessary connection.

Brandon Johnson
Brandon Johnson

I'm fine with people being against Israel, just so long as they're against the other parts of the colonial project.
Enjoy your ban, zionist

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

I'm not a zionist, and if you think putting those things on equal footing makes me one, you've revealed yourself to be an imperialist and/or an anti-semite, probably both.

Enjoy your suicide, reactionary.

Brody Rogers
Brody Rogers

Fair enough

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

not bowing down to Israel is imperialism and anti-semitism
Kill yourself

Cooper Reyes
Cooper Reyes

Oh, I forgot to add that even the existence and of this board due to /left*pol/'s psychosis and authoritarianism is a part of this very problem.

Daniel Williams
Daniel Williams

Being anti-feminism means being fascist
The fascists of Italy gave women rights

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Justin Phillips
Justin Phillips

You kill yourself. That's not the position I advocate for at all. My point is, imperial projects like the United States and Australia were just as egregious as Israel, and vice-versa. You're too fucking stupid to see that because you're a fascist, that's pretty obvious.

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

Women can lick my scrotum.

Luke Turner
Luke Turner

Climate change will cook the earth before the falling rate of profit ends capitalism.
Only if humanity is profoundly retarted
treehugger.com/natural-sciences/7-geoengineering-solutions-that-promise-to-save-humans-from-climate-change.html

Wyatt Hernandez
Wyatt Hernandez

Nick Land is kinda right. Technological change is accelerating and this will have a tremendous impact on politics and society. If the left doesn’t embrace this we will be left behind.

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

anprim calling anyone else a fascist
good one

Brody Taylor
Brody Taylor

Nick Land is Ted Kaczynski for the nerdy liberal arts fag set (i.e. /lit/ cancer.) Ted is babby's first political theorist for most suburban white teen boys. Land is babby's first political theory for philosophy majors and other losers in the west.

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Julian Torres
Julian Torres

I'm not an anarcho-primitivist. I'm a green anarchist. Completely different ideology. I'm actually very pro-technology, and I think technological development is vital for mitigating environmental destruction.

Anthony Butler
Anthony Butler

They can, but none of them ever will.

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

fuck you nigger

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Robert Miller
Robert Miller

Only if humanity is profoundly retarted
Were you ever in doubt?

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

This. Notice how their fanboys will absolutely swarm at the mere mention of their name.

Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

Well we did come this far.

Carter Young
Carter Young

Yeah, but how did we do it? Burning the world half to cinders without a care in the world.

William Reed
William Reed

unironic nazbol but only for eastern Europe

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

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Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

i wish i was a monkey eating my own shit still because we cut down a tree

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

reductio ad absurdum
Is this the power of Zig Forums‘s reactionary subversives?

Levi Jones
Levi Jones

With all of your intellectual posturing aside, was he wrong?

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

The fuck is all this shit?

You're being criticized for embracing identity politics
Weren't you the ones that started the whole
<I admit to being full of shit
By embarrassing IDpol, I say "fuck idpol"
Not an argument
No it is. You have no idea, and so should stay silent on the topic till you get your head straight
Isn't it funny how the overwhelming majority of liberal-feminists tend to be liberal?
You dumb.
Also, if I said meninism=socialism, it wouldn't fly anywhere.
Because there never was a matriarchy.
Bernie Sanders
They used his speaking engagement as a platform, and he understood and let them. He focused on black issues some afterwards and got quite a lot of the black vote, and would have done very well with them if he were allowed in the primary. I see your "apeshit" comment, IDpoller.

"Rojava" is a weird hybrid army base. Hope the Kurds and other Syrians there can see this through fairly well.

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Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

Ok. I don't even know how this thread ended up being about r/socialism being triggered by the fact we detest female identitarianism (feminism), and since this conversation seems to be going absolutely nowhere, this is the bottom line:

You whole movement is currently seized by neoliberals. The very fact that the so called "stare rape" is a thing, it's a clear sign of how pathetic your movement has become. You have ran out of things to complain, so you focus on first world problems.

I don't know where you come from, but for the sake of argument I'll assume you're from the US. You have equal rights, just like men. You can get a job, not being dependent from us, even own property. You have your abortion rights (and that's good), you are even equally screwed like us, being part of the proletariat. Your current day struggle isn't a woman struggle; it's class struggle, so is black people/minorities struggles based on class.

While your feminist movement is complaining about "lack of media representation" and "muh sexist videogames", the working class is protesting about the damage to the environment, stagnant wages, poor working conditions, crackdown on trade unions, lack of healthcare, etc. So maybe you'd want to get your priorities right, don't you think?

I don't speak for leftpol as a whole, but, from what I've seen, I can assure you we are not opposed to women; we're opposed to feminists, because they went from "smash capitalism" to "women deserve equal chance to exploit the proletariat". If you truly want your movement to be accepted by the class-focused left wing, you need to de-spook it, because it badly needs reform. Before picking fights against us, for focusing on class struggle, purge the liberals among your ranks; they very same liberals that give your movement a terrible image. You're the only ones that can bring feminism back to the Emma Goldman and Rosa Luxemburg path.

Until then, do not expect us, the anti-idpol left, to embrace feminism anytime soon. I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but, unfortunately for you, you need us; we don't need feminists.

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

based

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Angel Scott
Angel Scott

All this spaghetti over a simple word?
even own property
Oh boy.

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Christian Green
Christian Green

Take it as it is. Also, the property part shows you're not being exploited as a woman (not as an apology to property ownership), given that you can also exploit the working class, if you had the means to do so of course.

Before you're a woman, you're part of the working class; act like it. Either de-spook your movement, or deal with the fact that feminism is a joke in the 21st century.

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

Yes

Chase Garcia
Chase Garcia

This

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

technological growth and optimism are reactionary
Fuck off Ted.

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

Either de-spook your movement, or deal with the fact that feminism is a joke in the 21st century.
The problem with supposedly socialist feminism is not what its adherants behave like. That is entirely irellevent. The problem is that in terms of theory it is indistinguishable from mainstream bourgeois feminism. There is nothing in socialist feminist theory that cannot also be found in the writings of Bell Hooks or Judith C. Butler. It is the same liberal feminism with a red label.

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

bell hooks is cancer.

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

you're a primitivist….why do you even care? its not like ancient pre-civilization was some hippie hold hands bs you're sadly mistaken. people died, men and women alike, starved and it was do or die. you don't know how good you have it.

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

Americans are shat upon too much on this board that is just "da joos" for the left. you just won't admit it.

how's that for an unpopular opinion?

Christopher Carter
Christopher Carter

All this spaghetti over a simple word?
Nah, fam. It's not the word itself but the frankly psychotic insistence on the use of and identification with that word. Your meme arrow comment would be better applied to feminism tbh.

Joseph Thompson
Joseph Thompson

I dunno about you but Iran and the Saudis did well for awhile.

Adam Reyes
Adam Reyes

I'll agree to an extent, though, people long before Ted K have been saying what he said for years, Rousseau, Thoreau, Zerzan, etc.

Christopher Young
Christopher Young

I hold the opposite opinion. do leftists really want to close off dialectics with those they disagree with just to be in a hugbox? good god, that was dumb as the idiot who requested JP mentions be banned. you guys are cucky as fuck for mods.

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

There is absolutely nothing wrong with (adult, of course) pornography, prostitution, and surrogate pregnancy. Also, feminism is a cancerous tumor subverting the left, which diverts its focus on silly and non-specific issues, and thus needs to be eradicated before it's too late.

I am also of the opinion that dehumanizing "the enemy" (read: fascists, liberals, etc) too much is doing the left a disservice.

Also, if you are one of those idiots who considers leftism a cool kids club where only those who have read more than fifteen million words on the topic can join: fuck you, I can form my own opinion on shit, and so could you if you were not such a stuck up ruminant. You are also leaving behind those you claim to protect, you hypocritical son of a bitch.

Christian Russell
Christian Russell

Can concur. Its like people forget about Rome, Britain, Assyria, Mongolia, etc.

Another thing is this the anti-social media crowd. They love to whine aboit how Internet is degrading society. I mean yes social media is intrusive and gets too much attention, but come the fuck on. People still were remote and leery of each other. They indulged in newspapers, TV, books, radio, or art. I mean, come on. If I had Internet taken away, Id go back to books, music or art. Its not like I wanna chat up my neighbors.
These anti-social media people are just angsty manchildren who cannot bear being single or living in a career-oriented society.
Thats why they binge on right-wing talk radio, because they know they will never have the storybook utopia of their forefathers which was hard to come by even in the past.

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Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

The Holocaust never happened but it should’ve, and it will.

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

Social Media is undeniably the worst part of the internet though.

Lincoln Russell
Lincoln Russell

/pol/index.html

Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

As a black, one of my peoples biggest foil is our church dependency. Black neighborhoods have too many churches. We still think that God is the answer to all of our problems, that endless worship and bible study will make us industrially competent like the whites and Asians.

We still dont get that the reason why whites and Asians are successful is because they go out and explore for themselves. They dont whimper to God for headpats. They study, build, and train. Any blessing from God is circumstantial.

God helps those who help themselves. Even religious whites understand this. Thats why they use the Bible as a ballot to bully young people for being single, bully single mothers, curse evolution, etc.

Black women are the biggest suckers for Abrahamic religion. They think that beating the Bible into their kids will magically make them into working-class prodigies like the Old Testament judges.

Anytime they encounter a mishap, they assume its demonic activity. They actually think that God and Satan are fighting exclusively over them, no one else.

(Maybe because they never had proper male attention in their life. They have either distant fathers/husbands, abusive fathers/husbands, or absent fathers/husbands.)

They cannot bother to learn about stocks, science, history, etc. They dont care about nature nor politics. They rather bitch and moan about the younger generation/other women growing up with opportunities they never had.

If anything, black mothers are why single moms get a bad rap. Black women on religion are intellectually weak-willed. Theyre the only minority that has yet to hold prominent political office.

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Adrian Morgan
Adrian Morgan

Understand, but even before social media, there was the barbershops, cafes, and churches were gossip and rumors were shared. People still had shouting matches in the streets, girls/women slept around, fads came and went.
Its just that its all on a flat screen now. Back in the 19th century, politicians had dueling matches over disagreements. Now, presidents insult each other online.

Evan Lewis
Evan Lewis

Liberal divisionary tactic: Successful
#Unite the right!

de-spook your movement
My movement, if you will, is libertarian-socialist in nature, but egoist at its base. If I am to pick a cause, name a movement, it is that. And it naturally includes emancipation of women alongside the men. It even includes emancipating the capitalist from his delusions.
But your insistence that it is primarily a masculinist and Caucasian type of socialism that we must now follow, just leads me to think the same of you. "De-spook" yourself. Or as I put it above, get your fucking head straight.

Haven't read. Why do you say?

Chase Morris
Chase Morris

church

Protestants aren't christians you stupid groid, they're heretics.

Hudson Rogers
Hudson Rogers

anti-social as in praxis or simply against it? because I'm the epitome of the former.

Wyatt Howard
Wyatt Howard

where, to your mum's house.

Leo Gutierrez
Leo Gutierrez

"muh moderators"

Logan Ortiz
Logan Ortiz

I get the feeling he isn't as religious as you, Mr Pol. So the ludicrous tirade wasn't necessary

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

no he's sort of right. lack of them means no Israel, no middle east wars, etc.

Ayden Diaz
Ayden Diaz

that's my Mr. Pol Pot to you and yes it was you vapid cunt.

Nathaniel Clark
Nathaniel Clark

No, he's not right about anything. But is he just larping for the thread's sake? Who knows.

All religions are just cults, no matter how much Euro-pagan roots you mix in your Abrahamic sky god cults, or how purely Abrahamic you try to make it, there's no heresy about it, it's all just so much BS.
Using a racial slur is never necessary.
/pol/potist
Okay

Owen Roberts
Owen Roberts

I should be able to say whatever the fuck I want to.

and you know what, scientism is a cult. "muh booden ov poof" fuck off.

Sebastian Ward
Sebastian Ward

was is atheism anyways? a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals who worship the smell of their own anal fragrance? sounds like a cult to me.

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

Socialism did exist before feminism too, look at the ancient Guilds for proof.

Leo Foster
Leo Foster

This. Reminder if the Black Church didn’t Endorse Hillary “These people are Superpreditors” Clinton, Bernie would’ve done much better in the primaries. This is why Bernie did better among Northern Blacks than their souther counterparts. The north is less religious.

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

Athism is the only rational position. Reminder their is no proof for any god existing. What there is proof of is religious organizations empowering right-wingers.

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

<But your insistence that it is primarily a masculinist and Caucasian type of socialism that we must now follow, just leads me to think the same of you

Implying all anti-idpollers are white
Implying I'm even white

I'm hispanic, not even white (though not brown, as everyone and their grandmother think), just to let you know. And I'm pretty sure race has absolutely nothing to do with the anti-idpol left. We are against liberal constructs, which you enshrine with your female identitarianism. We are anti-any form of idpol, white nationalism included.

Either way, what is there for me to get straight? By embracing feminism, you embrace idpol; it's not quantum physics logic. Your 1st world "struggles" are irrelevant and if there are any struggles you're currently facing, they are most likely class based, and most likely shared by everyone else as part of the proletariat; therefore it requires a class-focused strategy, which feminism isn't.

I don't even know why you're arguing about "muh feminism". This is leftpol, not r/socialism.

Nathan James
Nathan James

Muh scientism
Muh cultural marxism
Muh greater israel
Muh kekistan
If you're not here to learn anything, just fuck off.

You implied an awful lot about me several times. (Not white not brown) HA. I know the type. It is all absurdity, you and I both know. But women are really other to a lot of males, like it or not, so there is a need for the platform in the socialist program. The need of it doesn't go away if your mother is a self important bourgie, or there are liberals calling themselves feminists. You realize there are right-liberals calling themselves libertarian and anarcho-capitalist? They're frauds.

I could say more, but I have work.

Wyatt Williams
Wyatt Williams

You also had black churches endorsing Trimp as the national savior. Like I said, they cannot decided anything on their own without bishop/deacon intervention.

Levi Gray
Levi Gray

There is absolutely nothing wrong with (adult, of course) pornography, prostitution, and surrogate pregnancy.
I'll agree with this as long as you acknowledge that moral and mental adulthood occur earlier than 18.

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

You implied an awful lot about me several times

No, I didn't. I criticized your bourgeois stand of feminism = equality. I didn't even use sexist slurs against you.

But women are really other to a lot of males, like it or not, so there is a need for the platform in the socialist program. The need of it doesn't go away if your mother is a self important bourgie

Appeal to emotion. Also, if my mother was a bourgie, then I wouldn't be a part of the working class.

You realize there are right-liberals calling themselves libertarian and anarcho-capitalist? They're frauds

That's because there can be feminism without socialism. Ever heard of the british fascisti? They had several women in power and women were given the same rights as men. They were quite feminists for their time. The whole 1st wave of feminists were strongly liberal.

Remind me again how they are fake feminists? Both advocated rights for women, despite the fact that it was classist as hell. To this day, there are utter sacks of shit like Meghan Murphy, a transphobe and TERF supremacist no less, that are also considered feminists, because they support women's emancipation and couldn't care less about men's rights (not that we need them; just saying).

Bottom line is: feminism is not about equality, for the same reason being pro M.R.A. (a group which we also oppose) isn't. We care about class struggle, which also extends to women's rights that are class based; ie: women being stoned to death for wanting an education it's ok, and we care about that; harmful media representation of women? Fuck that.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

Adulthood is a spook.

Juan Cruz
Juan Cruz

t, Incel

Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

"Adult " as a synonym for "mature" or "civil" is a spook. I find it ironic when people use children as metaphors for the dark side of human nature. Yes kids are immature and selfish but adults seem to have a fetish for godless perversions worse than any kid could ever have.

Nicholas Howard
Nicholas Howard

Or maybe God does exist but He/She is NOT as right-wingers imagine Him as.
Jesus said that "many will come unto me saying theyve done works in my name, But the Father will say 'depart from me, I knew you not.' "

Alot of right-wingers are not Biblical Christians. They are religious-political "fascists". They use God as a ballot to shove their chivalry code down the peoples throats. They think of life as a Conquest game with Templar Knights.

They think that marriage is a mandate to keep society stable. Yet the Bible is filled with Biblical characters who were single and have done virtuous deeds on Gods command and have been blessed. In the Old Testament, eunuchs were commanded to receive a marker because they have no offspring to keep their legacy.

And there's a law that God and Jesus gave to his followers to treat aliens kindly.

And of course who can forget that God said "Let no man boast of his works." Evangelicals have condemned these verses when they blindly support Trump.

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

adult, of course
I prefer the anti-idpol stance.

Ryan Miller
Ryan Miller

There is ZERO scientific proof of god, which makes incompatible with Marxist Philosophy because Marxism is a SCIENTIFIC Philosophy.

Thomas Lee
Thomas Lee

Yes kids are immature and selfish but adults seem to have a fetish for godless perversions worse than any kid could ever have.
Kek. You forgot what being a kid was like. Kids get up to the sickest shit imaginable. The only thing that limits their debauchery is a lack of ideas.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

Almost no one has read Stirner and those people consistently gets the concepts of spooks wrong.
The biggest tragedy of "the left" is that we've been deskilled, all the theory in the world is meaningless if we don't have the skills to praxis. Say what you will about the 60's, but a lot of them knew how to break people out of jail and get them to safety while today learning how to supplement your food supply with gardening is out of the scope for your average leftist.
Most of the left is far more attached to aesthetics than they are to theory.
Sectarianism for sectarianism's sake is dumb, but there's an irreconcilable divide between libertarian communists and leninists that's impossible to bridge in any long-term organization.
The above said, working together in the present is good because it benefits both of us and we stand a better chance of not getting killed by some insane reactionaries by cooperation.
Marx was far more reformist than modern Marxists like to admit, and Bakunin was right about electoralism as a political strategy.
Most of the times "dialectics", "materialism", and "scientific" is used by pople today it's to make themselves sound smarter rather than to utilize dialectical method, materialist analysis, or scientific thinking. We'd be better off dropping them because for the most part they just end up confusing those uninitiated to leftist lexicon.
Imperialism a shit, but the focus on anti-imperialism just leads to stanning for socdems, liberals, and reactionaries. Given that we're not materially supporting the targets of imperialism and that western states don't give a fuck about what an insignificant number of leftists say on social media, we need to spend more time making socialism relevant to people we live and work with than fighting over a conflict we will never personally see and have no effect on.
Zig Forums dying wouldn't be the end of the world and irl organization is more important than a comfy imageboard.
Hooker/pornstar alunya is best alunya.

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Henry Moore
Henry Moore

not once

not ever

not even a tiny bit

has ever been an argument.

anyways, adults are talking. the only good thing Noam Chomsky ever did was defend Pol Pot and most of his other opinions (then AND now) are usually regurgitated by crypto-semitic libertarian socialists (obv. not the ones who take Bakunin and Proudhon as gospel, right down to the opinions the rest of this stupid board would say "yikes" and "you guys" to). also another one is how this board defends all sorts of idpol (when they claim to be against idpol but still fucking do it) but excludes the mentally ill from participating. lets face, most leaders, philosophers, warlords were all a bit unstable, some even very so spitting on the mentally ill you might as spit on your idols too.

Landon Collins
Landon Collins

This is the 'unpopular opinions' thread, not the 'crap everyone knows but the board gets spammed anyway' thread. :)
we've been deskilled
That's everyone, and it was deliberate. Am oldfag, remember just before the darkness.

Camden Lopez
Camden Lopez

Anti-civilization and reversion to a primitive form of communism is the only way forward that will be sustainable in the long term for both humans and the environment. Full communism would be unsustainable and implode almost as fast as capitalism is killing our planet now. Either track will lead to the destruction of our civilization and a reversion to what will ultimately be a better form of living, no matter how many people will die, it will be worth it in the long-term

Ethan Rodriguez
Ethan Rodriguez

I'm not against insoasmuch the reliance on technology as the way its being used. a place to exchange useful information/shared interests > finding ways to get your pp wet or holes filled, which ever way you like it. as a musician, I hate going to shows and seeing all these morons glued to their phones instead of actually making human contact and trying to find common ground in a musical arena.

Noah Bell
Noah Bell

nah they're right.

what is this board now? /zionistcentral/?

John Murphy
John Murphy

I got another one, if cuck porn and femdom are legal, so should snuff and JB porn. their is no line in the sand, you'd have to be a hardcore legalist to stand against my statement.

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

Yes but adults have a literal fascination with debauchery. They make games and literature of it and call it art.
It seems to me that wrong is only when kids do it. When adults do it, we call it exercising free will.
If a kid were to indulge/practice in BDSM sex we would think the kid is evil. But an adult doing it? Its ok.
If a kid were to partake in murder we would think it a scandal. But an adult doing it? " Well its wrong but that's life."

It need not be lechery. Kids are forbidden from being active agents of circumstances. They're to be victims and spectators.

Hudson Bailey
Hudson Bailey

Neoconservative republicans are ironically akin to communists.
Communists believed in military might.
Communists hate homosexuality.
Communists hate liberalism.
Communists believe in taking control of production.
Communists hate pornography.
Communists hate welfare state.

Neoconservatives share these traits, yet assume communists are hippie atheists mooching off people.

Parker Morgan
Parker Morgan

Communists hate pornography.
I find it funny that PoMos have taken on this stance as well, but using feminist gymnastics to justify it other than plain old "it's degenerate".

Isaiah Bell
Isaiah Bell

bolshevik sexual revolution
communism has always been degenerate

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

Fuck off tankie

Carter Ward
Carter Ward

The DNC had the south tied up before anyone even knew Sanders was running. There was massive amounts of fraud from the start so Sanders was never going to get a fair shot.
Not trying to shoot down that anons hypothesis though. Religious people vote as they're told.

No, I didn't. I criticized your bourgeois stand of feminism = equality.
Whopper of a contradictory statement.
…there can be feminism without socialism
And so we finally come to it. It is a pocket issue, one you strongly oppose being allowed in the platform, but in so doing you alienate a whole half of the population, you would have us offer nothing to the third wave progressives, the poor college students who thought they were being educated, but were just racking up a debt. You would shut them all out, and even tell them to get back in the kitchen. You're doing the liberals job for them, user.

Feminism has always been about equality. Women are too timid and fair to seize power and try to establish matriarchy. But men did it, and they want to reestablish it. They haven't stopped wanting that past. Stop being such a fucking reactionary

I'm with you.

Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

only the Trotskyist ones, from a philosemitic point of view.

Tankies are a whole 'nother beast.

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

Feminism has always been about equality.
rofl, open a history book. Even the original suffragettes were racist and classist as fuck.

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

Whopper of a contradictory statement.

Nutpicking my statement. If I claim meninism = equality, it is equally as contradicting that feminism, a movement born on the interests of women, is about equality. Both care about themselves primarily, even at the expense of others.

Are some feminists about equality? Yes, of course. Feminism as a school of thought, however, is far more concerned on female emancipation, rather than actual equality. TERFs and lesbian separatists are the mainstream example of feminists that give little fucks about actual egalitarianism but still support women's emancipation.

And so we finally come to it. It is a pocket issue, one you strongly oppose being allowed in the platform, but in so doing you alienate a whole half of the population

That is, of course, implying every single woman is a feminist. Even if that was true, we are not opposed to women joining the left; we're opposed to feminists joining the left, because they don't belong here.

you would have us offer nothing to the third wave progressives, the poor college students who thought they were being educated, but were just racking up a debt

Er… no. Under socialism, you'd be free to do what you want. There'd be no more profit incentive, so you're totally free to do what you please. That's the whole point of socialism.

You would shut them all out, and even tell them to get back in the kitchen. You're doing the liberals job for them, user

What? Why would I want a random-ass woman to go back to the kitchen? It's none of my business what they do with their time. Rejecting feminism doesn't mean we want to control their wills or deny them rights. That's absolutely ridiculous.

As a working class member, regardless of your sex/gender/race/whatever, you belong on the left. As a feminist, you belong with liberals.

Feminism has always been about equality

Remember when suffragettes actually cared about black women? Me neither.

<Women are too timid and fair to seize power and try to establish matriarchy

We wuz gud gurlz we dindu nuffin.

Yeah no. Women are just as capable of being authoritarian as men; remember Margaret Tatcher and Indira Ghandi, even Elizabeth Bathory? Authoritarianism has no gender.

I can't tell, at this point, if you're trolling me or not, but I'm willing to continue anyway.

But men did it, and they want to reestablish it. They haven't stopped wanting that past

So are we living under patriarchy or not? Because trust me; I've been fucked in the ass by the so called "patriarchy", even when I have a dick attached. It's like they don't care if I happen to have a penis.

Stop being such a fucking reactionary

Do you know why the alt right and the entire right wing as a whole became so strong as of recently? It's because of the left's cancerous obsession with identity politics and the fact that mainstream "leftists" are unwilling to adress class struggle. That's why the reactionaries are so strong right now. Even /pol/ has more of a mainstream status than us; they actually have mainstream influence, unlike us.

By embracing identity politics, you're literally paving they way for neoreactionaries, because society overall despises idpol; the right is the only wing willing to act and not complain about the lack of "intersectionality". We're basically cannibalizing ourselves.

The leftist purity test has to stop. Both you and me, regardless of our genders, are getting bulldozed by the right. Focus on class, not on idpol.

Evan Carter
Evan Carter

Hegelian dialect is pretty useless for solving real world issues

Colton Gray
Colton Gray

That's unpopular? I thought people here were into Marxist dialectics

Nicholas Wilson
Nicholas Wilson

I guess it's depend if you consider Hegel's and Marx's dialectics being significally different or not.

Nathan Stewart
Nathan Stewart

This is the 'unpopular opinions' thread, not the 'crap everyone knows but the board gets spammed anyway' thread.
Regardless if everyone knows it or not some of it is still unpopular with most so-called socialists on here and elsewhere.

Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

<When you just walk in from /pol/ and pretend to be a fellow leftist: the post.
You’re just another crypto-reactionary authoritarian class-reductionist. It’s not normal to sperg out so hard when people mention they support feminism or something that is not exclusively connected to MUH CLASS in some way. It’s incredibly reductionist. You’re wearing blinders. Class is of course dominant, but not the ONLY conflict in society.

Both you and me, regardless of our genders, are getting bulldozed by the right. Focus on class, not on idpol.
Imagine saying this during the civil rights period, or saying this to slaves or anyone else oppressed in some way, even if it is not as extreme as my examples. It would be off-putting to say the least. You’re just an angry dude who can’t handle people that aren’t like him potentially having to deal with REAL SOCIAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT THEIR EVERYDAY LIVES.

I don’t get why you can’t recognize the primacy of class but still not throw every other social issue under the bus and hand-wave it away as “not-important” or “muh idpol” (which is not an argument). You retards never have a single argument against not being solipsistically class-reductionist besides “THE BOURGEOISIE IS DIVIDING US”

Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

comparing slaves to women as an argument in favour of idpol
THAT'S A CLASS ISSUE AS WELL, YOU RETARD. This is why no educated person takes feminists seriously.

Caleb Miller
Caleb Miller

Full communism would be unsustainable and implode almost as fast as capitalism is killing our planet now.
Proof
to what will ultimately be a better form of living, no matter how many people will die, it will be worth it in the long-term
Maybe to your subjective experience it might be, but not to the majority of people.

Jeremiah Butler
Jeremiah Butler

Just because your body reacts to something in a certain way, it doesn't mean you want it. You're a fucking rapist, and you should probably kill yourself.

I know you're mentally retarded, you've proved that repeatedly. But take your arrow and hover over the flag for a second. I'm not a fucking primitivist.

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

You’re just another crypto-reactionary authoritarian class-reductionist.
Just say "problematic cis-het white male shitlord," already.

It’s not normal to sperg out so hard when people mention they support feminism
Welcome to the new normal.

Imagine saying this during the civil rights period, or saying this to slaves or anyone else oppressed in some way, even if it is not as extreme as my examples. It would be off-putting to say the least.
What is off-putting is insulting the intelligence of oppressed individuals by assuming that they must only be able to see their oppression in terms of their identity groups. If you want to know what slaves would say, that is actually on record. The freedmen knew full well that the nature of their oppression was economic, and they rightly recognized waged labor was another kind of slavery.

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Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

rape apologia is literal rape
“THE BOURGEOISIE IS DIVIDING US”
This argument is correct.
Idpol consistently overtakes any form of class politics, because it lets you pretend to be radical without posing a threat to the ruling class, thereby getting you all the donations, exposure, support, etc etc.
Certain idpol issues are actually valid, like blacks being disproportionately targets of police violence even compared to whites of similar income levels. But they're still incompatible with any form of class politics. Not because theres any reason they ought to be, but because of what I just said before.
This shouldn't mean totally rejecting any and all issues that are associated with idpol, just rejecting any and all identity-focused approaches.

Joshua Thompson
Joshua Thompson

Leftypol is better than leftpol, which has the only merit to be less shitpost adverse.

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

This man, did nothing wrong.

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Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

I have a very unpopular opinion that I'm not firm on, and I'm open to being talked out of:

The leftists who whine about cultural appropriation, in terms of anything from white people with dreads to white people playing the blues, are themselves reactionaries, at least on that issue. I do think people should learn about the cultural significance of those things so as not to cheapen them, but I also don't think it's a serious issue. I also think if a white person gets those things, it's not necessarily even appropriation. I grew up being really into crust punk, and a lot of those bands had members with dreads. As an American, I feel that blues and jazz are very much part of my own culture, regardless of race.

I'm very interested in hearing the arguments against my position, but if you could do it without condescension or insults, as people on this site are prone to use, I would greatly appreciate it.

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

That's not an unpopular opinion, at least not here on Zig Forums.

Jeremiah Lewis
Jeremiah Lewis

Women are people and need to feel welcome in socialism.

James Howard
James Howard

When did you stop beating your wife?

Kayden Adams
Kayden Adams

I'm against cultural appropriation mostly due to the fact I see it as much more of an economic issue rather than a social. I would argue that it happens because someone takes a part of some groups culture. Commodifies it, turning it into a soulless mockery of its self. When you commodify it your removing the context in which that piece of cultural was born. Thus making it meaningless and devaluing the original cultural.

Sebastian Sullivan
Sebastian Sullivan

he understood and let them
He was pathetic to let them seize his platform while he was trying to speak, and to let them berate his audience as 'white racists'. This wasn't a matter of him coming to an agreement with them, they showed zero respect for him.

I see your "apeshit" comment, IDpoller.
Do you seriously think he meant anything by that? You must be a nightmare to talk to IRL.

Carter Cook
Carter Cook

The environment isn't beyond saving but *will* be fucked up to a large extent by climate change. We need to build a party NOW and embrace different types of Marxists/state socialists to combat bourgeoisie governments; action and solidarity are just as important as sitting around on chans and theorizing.

Nolan Myers
Nolan Myers

The environment isn't beyond saving but *will* be fucked up to a large extent by climate change. We need to build a party NOW and embrace different types of Marxists/state socialists to combat bourgeoisie governments; action and solidarity are just as important as sitting around on chans and theorizing.

Hudson Myers
Hudson Myers

That poster is an obvious fake trying to stir up shit.

After that BLM publicity stunt, the Sanders campaign and their movement both benefited. Stop pushing this idea that he was showing weakness or that his simple campaign speech was more important. Not like they cost him the election. They brought more black supporters

David Jenkins
David Jenkins

Possibly (hopefully) right about the environment, But state-socialism doesn't work. Help build the replacement world now and give the reins of power to the people directly. Now is certainly not the time to rerun early 20th century ideas.

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

Don't be opportunist. We don't build the party by "embracing state socialists", fuck that united front bullshit. We build the party by disabusing fellow proles of the manipulation they are suffering from Socialist Identifying Capitalist parties, and helping them to recognize their true interests in the invariant historical program of our class, which entails the total and unconditional destruction of the bourgeois state and the capitalist mode of production.
a case of "forgot to turn off my falseflag" or did you just have a stroke/epiphany and go full ML because muh global warming?

Charles Ramirez
Charles Ramirez

t. /pol/fugee who got triggered when moot hurt your fee-fees.
how is female supremacism different from white supremacism?
Even socialist feminism is attacked
Even feminists who want socialism but only for women are attacked
Explain to me why Zig Forums should only want socialism for women. Explain to me why men don't deserve basic rights.
Explain how "socialist feminism" isn't just the gender-reversed version of this guy:

Being anti-misandry isn't the same as being against women's rights
<Wrong
how about you explain that argument user? Why do you think that one has to be a misandrist to support women's rights?
yeah tankies are all hypocritical retards.

Nathan Price
Nathan Price

Trannies are the biggest cancer on the Western left today.

Robert Flores
Robert Flores

The stunt cost Sanders white liberal supporters, who are the bulk of active Democratic Party members.

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

Any "community-based" praxis or solution will without fail fall into regionalism and corruption over solidarity.

Sebastian Kelly
Sebastian Kelly

moot
/2004/

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

I wish that I could, at least on the internet.

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Noah Russell
Noah Russell

Nothing will enrage me more than knowing that we will likely never have another consistently decent imageboard under the current group of admins that collectively run all them.

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Brody Lopez
Brody Lopez

The Internet sucks shit now. I'm not even memeing; accessibility and quality are both in the toilet, surfing is dead, browsers are simultaneously too secure and too shitty to make the web fun, Everyone is either a wokescold or Nazi

Jaxon Bennett
Jaxon Bennett

under the current group of admins
<he thinks the problem is the admins
<he hasn't realized that the problem is that nobody born after 1990 have a soul and therefore there's no way for image boards to be fun in the current zeitgeist

Alexander Thomas
Alexander Thomas

I want to go back.

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Isaac Powell
Isaac Powell

We would need some lawless, Mad Max-looking shithole of a country (eg. Somalia) to put servers in if we were to try to recreate old 4chan with all its file sharing, embedded CP, organized raids, and total anonymity. Or maybe somplace stable but isolated would be better. Would Kim or Lukashenko allow something like that in their countries? It would sure as hell fuck with all the people that oppose them.

Parker Brown
Parker Brown

CP
Allow them to do that and they will become the only frequenter of that site.
For this very reason 4chan never had a furry board for example.

Angel Allen
Angel Allen

Fuck off normalfag. I'd rather have a site full of pedos and lolicon than Nazi teens

Logan Butler
Logan Butler

Uses memeflag

Back to r/socialism

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

Do you lash out at people in every thread? It’s like we chase one of you faggots off and another equally autistic and easily identifiable poster immediately steps up to the plate. Just when the Nazbol fags fuck off now we have you who attacks people in every single thread over how they’re “reddit” or screaming about “idpol”
Kill yourself

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

class-reductionist

Ok, /pol/, you've LARPed quite enough already.

Women are people; feminists are below dog shit

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

Class-reductionism is definitely a thing, but I’ve seen you shit up this board enough to know you go on a tirade whenever feminism or anything not 100% class based is mentioned. Fuck off reactionary, go back to /leftypol/ or, perhaps even more fittingly for you, /pol/

David Rodriguez
David Rodriguez

Class-reductionism is definitely a thing
yikes to be honest family

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Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

x is an actual thing
<nuh uhhh
This is the power of Zig Forums argumentation

Justin Wright
Justin Wright

[buzzword] is an actual thing
almond status: activated

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

Marx was actually wrong about that one.

Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

No. He is right. History is a spook.

Juan Murphy
Juan Murphy

*His-Story

Jack Brooks
Jack Brooks

Do I? You "feminist" faggots are the ones raiding our board. You are the ones constantly shitting up threads with your feminist horseshit.

I'll put it simple, in layman's terms: You're not welcome here. This board is for anti-idpol leftists, not r/socialism rejects.

Fuck off back with your "muh feelz" shit and "class reductionism". You're a liberal LARPing as a leftist.

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

There's no such thing as "socialist feminism", all feminism is bourgeois, men and women aren't equal and it is harmful and stupid to treat them as equals.
There's only two genders and you might feel more like a male or female but not as an attack helicopter.
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.
Species dysphoria is a mental illness.
Pubescent teenagers can consent to sex, the AoC is too high and even in places where the AoC isn't too high it is still ridiculous that naked pictures of pubescent teenager are illegal.
Not all sexual iteration with pre-pubescent kids are necessary harmful/rape/abuse it all depends on context although it is obviously understandable that all of it should be illegal.

Austin Cook
Austin Cook

Marxist need to be the first to be shot when the revolution starts.

Angel Rivera
Angel Rivera

That's how it's always gone. The Leninists purge the real Marxists first.

Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

Leninists are real Marxists, their tendency to become capitalists is a flaw that can be found within Marx and his support for working within the state. Sacrificing the proletariat for the $$$revolution$$$ is going to happen everytime a hierarchy separates the proletariat and those in power, which is intrinsic to the party form of organization. Marxists who have rejected such forms of organization have unknowingly adopted anarchism to some degree, many don't realize this because their knowledge of anarchism comes from memes or strawmen.

Jace Young
Jace Young

You're not welcome here.
We’re here to stay, faggot

John Rogers
John Rogers

Incels have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
All their problems are self-made.
I can't believe I used to be sorry for you guys.

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker

And you will always be unwelcome.

Gavin Bennett
Gavin Bennett

Before they kill all the petty-porkies, right?

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

Wrong. Feminists are welcome here, retards like you are not.

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

I think spoonfeeding people knowledge of society is necessary and we must be willing to offer all the knowledge we can so people can finally be aware of what is actually going on.

As an American, just growing up here and brought up through the system. It took me 24 years to finally realize that rich people will never have my interest and even if I became a superstar in any way, shape or form they would exploit me until they couldn't earn another penny and leave me in dust.

The bourgeoisie simply play to win and will do everything in their power to win, even if destroys the entire world.

I feel like we must educate as many as possible and be as patient as possible. People need time to develop and maybe they won't join us now but further down the road they usually become comrades.

Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

people like this actually exist
Damn, you leftists are hilarious

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

Remember the good memes

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Charles Torres
Charles Torres

Keep dreaming. They have a containment thread.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

I made that thread so the rabid anti-feminists would stop shitting up the thread for reading this book club's text. Truthfully I'm sympathetic to some of the feminists on this board and think some of the anfems were the best posters on /leftypol/ before it went to shit.

Jose Ross
Jose Ross

It was a pro-feminist concern troll who started talking about gender politics in that thread.

And honestly given the author is Mark Fisher who also wrote Vampire Castle it's pretty relevant.

Lincoln Thomas
Lincoln Thomas

It was a pro-feminist concern troll who started talking about gender politics in that thread
And that didn't stop the retards from taking the bait and attempting to derail the thread, which is why a containment thread for them to battle it out in was needed.

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

That reminds me, what ever happened to the /pol/ containment thread? That worked out pretty well while it was around. We should bring that back and expand the feminist containment thread to include all sex-related "politics" like MRAs, LGBTQWERTY, Age of Consent, the Supreme Gentlemen, furries, and all things concerning cuckoldry.

Lucas Jackson
Lucas Jackson

It got bumped off because mods stopped enforcing it and let spam fester.
We should bring that back and expand the feminist containment thread to include all sex-related "politics" like MRAs, LGBTQWERTY, Age of Consent, the Supreme Gentlemen, furries, and all things concerning cuckoldry.
I would have no problems with this if it was consistently enforced, however we got some fags here who can't help but take the bait over many of those topics.

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

There is no gays in nazbol

Jayden Myers
Jayden Myers

The real bitch with board mods is that they are always chosen from among those posters who make themselves recognized–the absolute worst posters on any image board. It is to be expected that they would behave like they have an ax to grind once they get some authority, since that is how they behaved before. It would be nice if they were subject to the oversight of the community at large rather than to a board owner.

Nathaniel Nelson
Nathaniel Nelson

And that didn't stop the retards from taking the bait
Consensus cracking only works if you don't "take the bait" and let people post unpopular opinions without getting blowback.

Aaron Richardson
Aaron Richardson

Yeah, most of the time they either go full hotpocket like /leftypol/ or they don't do anything like here. It'd be great if we had mods that were able to maintain the board without going after views they don't like and were beholden to the users but I guess that's too much to ask.
Not responding to nazis isn't going to suddenly make everyone ok with segregation and ethnic cleansing user. By all means we should have these conversations, but I don't see why we shouldn't contain them so they don't derail threads dedicated to educating ourselves.

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

No, it didn't. Sanders would have won in a fair election. That's why you have this bogus Russia-gate shoved down your throat to distract you.

Feminism isn't about supremacy. Never was.

Howard Scott
Missed those links given in a thread some while back. Is there a good book or yt on him I could watch?

Jordan Martin
Jordan Martin

Not responding to nazis isn't going to suddenly make everyone ok with segregation and ethnic cleansing user.
Don't be disingenuous. The bait wasn't nazis. It was something marginal that a lot of the left is torn on. That's the kind of material that's used for consensus cracking. You're not going to crack a flat earth forum with someone saying they think the earth is round.

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

If it is something the left is torn on, it can't be consensus cracking by nature of not having established a consensus. I see no problems in critiquing the "anti-idpol socialists" who slags liberal idpolers while telling you to vote for socdems and dismissing non-electoral or non-(reformist)union actions, I'd go as far as to argue that it is more than welcome on a board for supposedly revolutionary socialists.

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

If it is something the left is torn on, it can't be consensus cracking by nature of not having established a consensus.
This board =/= the left as a whole.
I see no problems in critiquing the "anti-idpol socialists" who slags liberal idpolers while telling you to vote for socdems and dismissing non-electoral or non-(reformist)union actions,
You're conflating two things that have fuck all to do with each other. The problem most of us have with idpol is that it's specifically an impediment to effectively organizing labor. It promotes infighting and deliberation over social minutiae which distracts from other business addressing capitalism. Furthermore, this post is the first mention of electoral politics I've seen, so 1) none of us is promoting reformism here and 2) nobody posited that criticism before.
I'd go as far as to argue that it is more than welcome on a board for supposedly revolutionary socialists.
Saying that you would argue what a community welcomes is exactly the kind of attitude/action of consensus cracking. The reason the board is called /leftpol/ is a legacy title from /pol/ - Politically Incorrect. The only reason /leftypol/ split from /pol/ was because the nazis are on the mod team and made it impossible for us to discuss politics on that board.

Wyatt Turner
Wyatt Turner

This board =/= the left as a whole.
Ok then, a certain poster claiming that the AoC is oppression against men by roasties looking to force men to fuck them instead of teenage girls isn't consensus cracking and not responding to such a poster isn't going to result in this board becoming hebes or pedos. It's an autist with an unpopular opinion and not responding to it will get them to not go on accusatory rants.
You're conflating two things that have fuck all to do with each other.
In my 4 years of browsing /left(y)pol/ I've seen a lot of anti-idpol socialists jump on with various socdems and complain that the idpollers prevented them from getting elected, even today you can see the odd "bernie would have won if not for the liberals". It's a problem because the left as a whole is far too welcoming of reformism and I guarantee you that in a year these people will be telling you to support whatever burger socdem runs in the democratic primary and be more concerned with fighting with liberals backing Kamala Harris than organizing workers.
The problem most of us have with idpol is that it's specifically an impediment to effectively organizing labor.
And when you organize labor into anti-revolutionary forms like paypigs for minor parties or voters for socdems then you're not effectively organizing labor, you're pushing them into reformist or impotent channels that maintain capitalism. Idpol is a symptom of this, but the cause of it is the embrace of a "social club mentality" that sees socialism as something you do with your ideological ingroup rather than a struggle against capital by the proletariat. If we want to move away from this and to effective organization, this "social club mentality" needs to be abandoned and simply adopting anti-idpol rhetoric does not do this.
It promotes infighting and deliberation over social minutiae which distracts from other business addressing capitalism.
As opposed to the infighting and deliberation over states, parties, or geopolitics that have been common for socialists since inception?
Furthermore, this post is the first mention of electoral politics I've seen, so 1) none of us is promoting reformism here and 2) nobody posited that criticism before.
The post that derailed the thread specifically mentioned electoral politics and /left(y)pol/ was heavily into them with Bernie and Corbyn.
Saying that you would argue what a community welcomes is exactly the kind of attitude/action of consensus cracking.
If a board dedicated to revolutionary politics from anarchist/communist perspectives isn't opposed to social democratic opportunism, including it's anti-idpol forms, then the consensus needs to be cracked.
The reason the board is called Zig Forums is a legacy title from /pol/ - Politically Incorrect. The only reason /leftypol/ split from /pol/ was because the nazis are on the mod team and made it impossible for us to discuss politics on that board.
I was around then and remember. Frankly the "politically incorrect" has always been a problem because it put more focus upon performance than content, after you scratch away the surface of white nationalism at /pol/ all you are left with is a young republicans club who see rebellion not in opposing the status quo but screaming about niggers and jews while voting for the conservative party. /leftypol/ breaking away from this and actually becoming substantively politically incorrect with the embrace of anarchism and leftcommunism was a significant improvement that resulted in a better board, before BO destroyed it because we weren't supporting his favorite liberals enough.

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Landon Young
Landon Young

Your brain on Quranism, go read some Haddith fegget.

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Cameron Turner
Cameron Turner

threatened by a little girl

that bitch gonna get raped too 3dpd, 2d, nonexistent, idgaf.

Angel Rogers
Angel Rogers

Ok then, a certain poster claiming that the AoC is oppression against men by roasties looking to force men to fuck them instead of teenage girls isn't consensus cracking and not responding to such a poster isn't going to result in this board becoming hebes or pedos. It's an autist with an unpopular opinion and not responding to it will get them to not go on accusatory rants.

it technically is. back even after the Red Terror in France, a grown man marrying a young girl wasn't even given a second thought (thot), in the post-feminist era, now its a fucking issue. meanwhile neither the left nor right are upset about grown female teachers fucking young boys. not that that's wrong either. you gotta be an absolutist about your positions or people will question your dedication, plain and simple.

Logan Fisher
Logan Fisher

Feminism isn't about supremacy. Never was.

you're deluded into thinking all women think like you. come on, everyone has their 'unique own', correct?

Ethan Collins
Ethan Collins

I am not deluded. I am speaking of a mere concept found within the socialist ideal, not some solidarity with all women.

Nathaniel Flores
Nathaniel Flores

No true Scotsman right there

Jeremiah Butler
Jeremiah Butler

Ok then, a certain poster claiming that the AoC is oppression against men by roasties looking to force men to fuck them instead of teenage girls isn't consensus cracking and not responding to such a poster isn't going to result in this board becoming hebes or pedos.
Men become hebes and ephebes because of human biology, not internet arguments, so it makes no difference to this whether you respond to me or not. The only thing that internet arguments do is allow previously bluepilled men to shed their indoctrination and stop loathing themselves for the way evolution made all men. But biological reality and other scientific facts only seem to matter on the "left" when they're used to support social liberalism, not when they refute feminism.

an unpopular opinion
You're in for a very rude awakening sooner than you think. Or you're making a poor attempt to downplay this opinion's popularity knowing that it's been gaining support rapidly. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter was the case given the recent influx of Reddit feminists.

back even after the Red Terror in France, a grown man marrying a young girl wasn't even given a second thought (thot), in the post-feminist era, now its a fucking issue. meanwhile neither the left nor right are upset about grown female teachers fucking young boys.
Of course. This hypocrisy is by design. Feminists instituted it to give themselves more sexual marketplace options while restricting those of men. The explosion of hatred that will erupt from men once they figure this out en masse will be legendary. And they're very damn close to figuring it out.

Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

Ok then, a certain poster claiming that the AoC is oppression against men by roasties looking to force men to fuck them instead of teenage girls isn't consensus cracking and not responding to such a poster isn't going to result in this board becoming hebes or pedos.
I can't say I disagree with this. It's clearly just one person obsessed with Age of Consent, and that's a topic that most people don't want to discuss. Was there some larger point here? I think maybe one time that guy pretended to be a few separate people and got called out for it, which would be a (shitty) attempt at consensus cracking.
In my 4 years of browsing /left(y)pol/ I've seen a lot of anti-idpol socialists jump on with various socdems and complain that the idpollers prevented them from getting elected, even today you can see the odd "bernie would have won if not for the liberals".
Bernie got cheated out of the primary. That's just a fact. Voter rolls were purged among other things. That's a bizarre point to take issue with when it's such a condemnation of burger "democracy." Furthermore this doesn't explain how reformism and idpol are related ideologically. Saying "reform is bad" isn't an argument against anti-idpol. At most it's criticizing the person you're talking to on an unrelated subject (which you aren't in this case), and otherwise it's just guilt by association. Find better arguments if you want to be convincing.
It's a problem because the left as a whole is far too welcoming of reformism and I guarantee you that in a year these people will be telling you to support whatever burger socdem runs in the democratic primary and be more concerned with fighting with liberals backing Kamala Harris than organizing workers.
"These people" are the majority of the boards, and are pissed off at social democrats, much less neoliberal "progressives." Christ, look at the fucking AOC thread here. You're coming in from some kind of alternate reality, pal.

the cause of it is the embrace of a "social club mentality" that sees socialism as something you do with your ideological ingroup rather than a struggle against capital by the proletariat.
That is a separate argument that you weren't making before. If this is where you were coming from you should have led with this.
If we want to move away from this and to effective organization, this "social club mentality" needs to be abandoned and simply adopting anti-idpol rhetoric does not do this.
Being anti-idpol isn't related to the social club mentality. That's a non-sequitur. Idpol-based activism can be very serious activism that has nothing to do with social clubs. The point is that within the context of serious political action, idpol is a distraction from class.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

[idpol] promotes infighting and deliberation over social minutiae which distracts from other business addressing capitalism.
As opposed to the infighting and deliberation over states, parties, or geopolitics that have been common for socialists since inception?
Jesus Christ, just because I wasn't arguing against pointless sectarianism doesn't mean I support that. You just fishing for shit you can use to claim hypocrisy, or something? At least with that kind of shit you're dealing with matters of what to be done politically instead of grinding to a halt because you can't settle on internal procedure.
Furthermore, this post is the first mention of electoral politics I've seen, so 1) none of us is promoting reformism here and 2) nobody posited that criticism before.
The post that derailed the thread specifically mentioned electoral politics and /left(y)pol/ was heavily into them with Bernie and Corbyn.
Ah, yes. This post disingenuously makes the same accusations you do despite nobody arguing against idpol on here also supporting reformism. Why would anybody take that facile mutation of the Bernie Bros meme seriously?
If a board dedicated to revolutionary politics from anarchist/communist perspectives isn't opposed to social democratic opportunism, including it's anti-idpol forms, then the consensus needs to be cracked.
That's a big fuckin if that your whole arguments rests on. Where are the people supporting reformism on here? Can you point to some? Because as far as I can see the only reformist/liberal types seem to be the occasional immigrants from reddit who are pro-idpol.

Frankly the "politically incorrect" has always been a problem because it put more focus upon performance than content, after you scratch away the surface of white nationalism at /pol/ all you are left with is a young republicans club who see rebellion not in opposing the status quo but screaming about niggers and jews while voting for the conservative party.
Well I guess you're gonna force me to bring up seniority because I was using /pol/ and /new/ back on 4chan so long that I don't even remember half the revisions it went through. The origins of political correctness is in HR departments (i.e. porky keeping proles in line), and the political makeup of 4chan back in the day (/new/pol/ included) was predominantly anarchist. The nazi thing came about after people posting nazi jokes ironically to keep the normies away eventually attracted actual nazis who with their autism (not unlike furries) overran the board and turned it into that mess. So no, it wasn't always about performance but about inoculating discussion to social controls like that. Being politically correct is inherently a stance against bourgeois values and specifically it's an opposition to what has proven to be a highly effective mechanism of social control.
/leftypol/ breaking away from this and actually becoming substantively politically incorrect with the embrace of anarchism and leftcommunism was a significant improvement that resulted in a better board
It was actually more like a return to a prelapsarian golden age in a rare case of the reactionary position being the correct one.

Parker Gonzalez
Parker Gonzalez

It's clearly just one person obsessed with Age of Consent
Maybe I'm the only person here who's this vociferous about it, but I'm not the only one with that opinion, not even close.

and that's a topic that most people don't want to discuss.
It's a topic you're trying to prevent people from discussing because you know the status quo is bullshit.

I think maybe one time that guy pretended to be a few separate people and got called out for it
Yes, anytime more than a single person disagrees with you, they're samefagging. It couldn't possibly be that your shitty ass feminist opinion is actually incredibly easy to disprove and massively unpopular both worldwide and among Americans who aren't retarded, and you're frantically accusing people of consensus cracking in a desperate attempt to maintain your false consensus which you only got in the first place by getting the government to enforce it at gunpoint and censor anyone who questioned you.

Owen Perez
Owen Perez

Maybe there are more people talking about that recently but I haven't noticed. I don't really care tbh and I'm pretty sure most people here and IRL don't either.
Yes, anytime more than a single person disagrees with you, they're samefagging.
No but I've seen it before, possibly with this topic.

Kayden Hall
Kayden Hall

Leftcommunism
Anarchism
Being an Improvement in anything

William Mitchell
William Mitchell

Maybe I'm the only person here who's this vociferous about it, but I'm not the only one with that opinion, not even close.
The rest of us pedos wish that you would fuck off. It is not a cause that anyone is interested in fighting, and whatever happens in regard to sex and society after the revolution happens.

Nicholas Barnes
Nicholas Barnes

I'm now convinced that the left is hopeless.
I just read Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier and Homage to Catalonia, and it's clear that the left has the same ridiculous problems with radlibs and red fashies - to as an extreme degree, too - as it did 80+ years ago.
Workers have a chance of gaining control of the MoP only if (a big fat if) radical centrists appropriate the idea under some other name. Meanwhile 'the left' will continue to be a shameful lable which people will quite justifiably associate with irrational vaginism and suppression of independent thought - and the right will happily play along with its own flavours of the same diarrhea sunday.

Ryder Morris
Ryder Morris

Was there some larger point here?
That rather than consensus cracking, the inflamatory is most likely someone with an unpopular opinion.
That's a bizarre point to take issue with when it's such a condemnation of burger "democracy."
I'm taking issue with that people still think Sanders, and Corbyn, are anything but socdems who will work in the interests of the capitalist state. The next social democrat who gets cheated by liberals is going to be the same and you will have anons bemoaning how comrade socdem would have beat trump and sent Elon Musk to the gulag if more people had voted or if the liberals didn't cheat.
"These people" are the majority of the boards, and are pissed off at social democrats
Then BO's purge of /leftypol/ truly did drive away the community that was built.
That is a separate argument that you weren't making before. If this is where you were coming from you should have led with this.
I was agreeing with a point someone made about opportunism, I'm not going to consistently spam my thesis regrading the left's problems for every such instance of agreement.
Being anti-idpol isn't related to the social club mentality
So much as anti-idpol is the left, it is related to the social club mentality as it is an issue with the left. The social club mentality precedes idpol as we know it and it would survive the collapse of idpol, the cure to such mentality involves abandoning organizational forms that sees the proletariat as a base or electorate and socialism as something that needs to be managed by the organization. Anti-idpol does not do this, it merely fights against the currently popular social club mentality of focusing on identity in organization while not addressing the opportunistic character of the current left.
The point is that within the context of serious political action, idpol is a distraction from class.
And the counterpoint is that if such "serious political action" amounts to campaigning for socdems in the democratic party or stanning for some fringe marxist-snowflakist party then your anti-idpol "socialism" is no more liberatory for the proletariat than the idpol liberals.
You just fishing for shit you can use to claim hypocrisy, or something?
I'm pointing out that infighting has been a characteristic of the socialist left since it began and that blaming idpol uniquely for being a distraction is silly considering the other stupid shit unrelated to class that has led to various splits and conflicts. The left has always been a clusterfuck and the newest iteration of such being treated as uniquely bad is a mistake that leads to the adoption of some other stupid shit to fight about.
Why would anybody take that facile mutation of the Bernie Bros meme seriously?
Because if the problem with "the bernie bros" isn't that they're misogynist racists who hate womyn and da pocs but it's that they're chapofags and other social democratic scoundrels, I'd assume anyone who was hostile to social democracy
Where are the people supporting reformism on here?
Every Leninist. The liberal larping as an ancom who thinks the state is good. The youtube flag poster.
The nazi thing came about after people posting nazi jokes ironically to keep the normies away eventually attracted actual nazis who with their autism (not unlike furries) overran the board and turned it into that mess. So no, it wasn't always about performance but about inoculating discussion to social controls like that.
Is edge to keep normies away not a performance? The end result wasn't inoculation but establishment of differing standards of political correctness, where disagreeing with bourgeoisie ideology means you must be an effeminate consumer of soy products who enjoys seeing his wife being ploughed by a well endowed black man and you would get shouted down by teenagers. Is this not the political correctness we complain of?
Being politically correct is inherently a stance against bourgeois values and specifically it's an opposition to what has proven to be a highly effective mechanism of social control.
That depends on what you mean by being politically incorrect. /pol/ obviously proves that it is entirely possible to be "politially incorrect" and uphold bourgeois values, as do the various edgy lolbert and reactionary bootlickers. Being superficially offensive is not enough to stand against bourgeois hegemony, or keep the normies away given the state of /pol/ today. The stances one holds is how we should judge political correctness, and in this regard an anarchist who doesn't say nigger or tranny is far more politically incorrect than a nazi young republican who does.

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Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

*I'd assume anyone who was hostile to social democracy would not like them.

Julian Adams
Julian Adams

Animals are comrades and speciesism is reactionary

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Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

We Reich/Hakimgang now apparently.

Ryder Green
Ryder Green

Plants can also feel pain

Feel free to starve anytime now.

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

A nervous system feeling pain ≠ a concious creature feeling pain

Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

The end result wasn't inoculation but establishment of differing standards of political correctness, where disagreeing with bourgeoisie ideology means you must be an effeminate consumer of soy products who enjoys seeing his wife being ploughed by a well endowed black man and you would get shouted down by teenagers.
That was not caused by old 4chan's ironic nazi memes. It was caused by the elimination of those aspects of the chans that had previously chased away moral crusaders and those who took things said on the internet seriously. Captcha, the demise of LulzSec, Chanology, the corporate stranglehold on the internet, and the general sense of frustration following the 2008 collapse all combined to destroy the culture that had once laughed uproariously at the serious business conspiracy nuts who now infest the chans.

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

hmm… bacon.

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

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Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

Revolutionary Catalonia wasn't perfect anarchism, but, god danm was it perfect Syndicalism. Any other anarchist frens who are becoming more authoritarian?
Cute

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Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

Any other anarchist frens who are becoming more authoritarian?
No, with regards to the CNT it was being authoritarian that was their mistake because it allowed the Stalinists and Liberals to fuck them over. If anything the Spanish Civil War should convince you that killing the tankies and liberals is vital to defeating fascism.

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

Killing a tankie is killing a fascist, if that's what you wanna do.

Levi Morgan
Levi Morgan

supporting gender equality is "fascist garbage"
Misandrists are not welcome here, you bigots have taken over every other leftist space. Go back to /r/latestagecapitalism and let egalitarian leftists have our own space

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

It is not a cause that anyone is interested in fighting
…seconds later…
why is the left so dead?
Isn't it wierd that in a false-dichotomy battle between far-right extremists and far-right extremists, no one gives a shit about your paintjob?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_cleansing
You failed because you're a fucking sellout, end of.

Nathaniel Sullivan
Nathaniel Sullivan

Even the CNT saw that a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat was necessary. But yes, I do agree with you. They became ministers and got fugged by the stalinist party, they also should've had taken the Moscow gold and fund the revolution. Another thing I'm critical of is the burning of churches, they could've had been turned into hospitals for the wounded in the war, cafeterias, shelters etc. I know some were turned into the things I listed, but many we're still burned to the ground.

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Luke Fisher
Luke Fisher

CNT saw that a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat was necessary
Actually the indecision of the CNT leadership on this particular question was one of their biggest mistakes, it's what made them refuse to take the reigns of the generalitat (which would have allowed them to dismantle it and impose DoP) when Companys literally offered to concede it to them after the events of July '36. The libertarian reluctance to impose authoritarian power in the service of prole interests (ie: revolution) is what brought it to the bargaining table to collaborate with bourgeois "anti-fascist" parties like the red capitalist PSUC and the catalan fascists EREC who would force them to detour the revolution and even suppress (jail, kill) their own militants in the name of the democratic lesser evil.
take the gold
to fund the revolution
fund
revolution

Logan Hughes
Logan Hughes

Nutional Socialism is a valid form of socialism if not the best form of socialism with functional individualist anarchism coming in as a close second and community based anarchism coming in 3rd. I wasn't going to make this post since it seems like needless bickering but I woke up this morning and decided to break my silence.

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Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

What definition of "socialism" does it meet?

Leo Davis
Leo Davis

Churches have shitty insulation, they are damp and prone to mold. It's the last place you want to put a hospital or a kitchen.

take the gold
to fund the revolution
fund
revolution
Are you trying to make a joke? Guns, ammunition, clothes, food, propaganda, etc. all costs money. The October Revolution was funded by Germans through a bank in Stockholm. Then that money was used to pay people in Russia. What, you think every revolutionary joins because of ideology? While ideology does play a part, revolutionaries still have to eat.

Grayson Diaz
Grayson Diaz

Even the CNT saw that a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat was necessary
The problem with the DotP is that it is usually interpreted as a Dictatorship over the Proletariat that consistently strangles the revolution to protect the interests of the state or party. Seizing political or state power is a mistake for this reason, because the hierarchy necessitated creates a divide between the interests of leadership and that of the proletariat, and the capitalist interests of the leaders will be the one pursued. The issue with authoritarianism isn't necessarily that of state oppression, though that is usually unpleasant, it's one of diverging interests that ends up with the state supporting capitalism instead of abolishing it.
The indecision was certainly a problem(and one I'd argue driven by differences between the leadership and rank+file), but accepting the gift of the bourgeoisie state would have not used power for proletarian interests anymore than the collaboration did. We only need to look at the Russian Revolution to observe how the interests of party leadership diverged from that of the proletariat and resulted in the reinforcement of capitalist social relations rather than their abolition, given that ideology does not make revolutions(and that the CNT leadership was accused of betraying ideology by their rank and file) I see very little evidence that the hypothetical anarchist controlled bourgeoisie state would have done anything drastically differently than the Bolsheviks. In addition there isn't much to support that this hypothetical CNT controlled state would not have pursued a united front with the Stalinists or liberals in the misguided assumption they would bring arms and support from foreign ideological allies to the "anti-fascist" front.

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Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

Are you trying to make a joke? Guns, ammunition, clothes, food, propaganda, etc. all costs money.
Once you justify relying on exterior commerce to satisfy these needs you have already started doing capitalism
What, you think every revolutionary joins because of ideology?
Revolution can only be made by a proletariat that has become fully conscious of its condition and fights for its material interests - eating being a primary one. But it's senseless to eat out of one hand of the enemy (the foreign bourgeoisie) in order to sustain yourself to wrestle with the other hand (the national bourgeoisie).
Agreed. The only potential of the CNT taking the reigns of the generalitat as such would have depended on their dubious will to actually dismantle that bourgeois state and impose an authentic DoP, breaking completely with commodity production and exchange as opposed to instituting a sort of democratic market socialism with libertarian characteristics.

Leo Adams
Leo Adams

Once you justify relying on exterior commerce to satisfy these needs you have already started doing capitalism
That would include most socialist (if not all) movements on the planet.

Aiden Adams
Aiden Adams

That would include most state capitalist and social-democratic (if not all) bourgeois movements on the planet.
ftfy. btw interior commerce is even worse ovs.

Daniel Brown
Daniel Brown

Once you justify relying on exterior commerce to satisfy these needs you have already started doing capitalism
<posted from a computer I an-prim'd from grains of sand in the wilderness.

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

Yeah that is why internationalism (or even some kind of post-nation illegalist cooperation) is necessary. You won't get a pure system at first so you have to take measures to prevent backsliding toward capital accumulation.

Hudson Murphy
Hudson Murphy

abortion is murder
homosex is wrong

brought to you by

CHRISTCOM GANG

Matthew Mitchell
Matthew Mitchell

Fuck off anti Hegel

James Moore
James Moore

Sorry for the two day late reply, I haven't been able to reach a computer for days.
First off are you going to ask for a source after I give a claim.

Juan Long
Juan Long

No, fuck G.W.F. Sméagol that charlatan.
Read Schopenhauer.

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

The alt-right IS NOT a Gen Z phenomenon

Any Gen Z (zoomer) spouting out Pepe memes on 4chan or YouTube is an auxiliary member. The alt-right is a Millennial/Generation X phenomenon.

- They spout memes of 80s/90s culture.

- They ruminate an awful lot on the women in their lives: neigbors, coworkers, mothers, sisters, exes, etc. They always bitch about the spats said women start. They also gossip about said womens' sex lives, especially if the men said women date are darker than sand.

- They always talk about out-of-print games or novels that have radical-right themes

- They always reminisce about their hometowns when they were mostly-white.

- They use the term "millennial" for any under-30 person, especially if said person has no political convictions.

In fact, for the past decade, the arch-nemesaries of the Millennials and Gen Z are not the Boomers but Gen X and early Millennials (simply, anyone born 1960 - 1990). Most of the hate is pop-cultural, rather than economic. Most of the "politically incorrect" Xennials love snark and darkness, hence the love for grunge, heavy metal, goth, and punk and all their fashion trends and mantras. Anything bright and/or melodic is "wrong." They have a sick obsession with masculinity to the point where they use it as a moral compass, peddling folk tales about correlations between fashion/music tastes and testosterone and advocating Templar Christendom.
They are the original "angry white males", the armchair historians who root for the tyrants, the neocon Republicans, and the right-wing podcasters rocking the airwaves. Most of our popular right-wing pundits online are Gen X or early-Millennial:

- Alex Jones (b. 1974)
- Mark Dice (b. 1977)
- Jordan Peterson (b. 1962)
- Steven Crowder (b. 1987)
- Gavin Mc Innes (b. 1970)
- Glenn Beck (b. 1964)
- Ben Shapiro (b. 1984)

The whole "Gen Z is first post-WW2 conservative breed" headline made by conservatives is a farce. Gen Z may be politically incorrect or have right-wing fancies, but they are not conservative.

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

gen z are the main group posting commie memes

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

gen z are the main group posting memes
More accurate

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

gen y and gen z are the main group(s) posting memes

Fixed that up for ya

Brandon Thomas
Brandon Thomas

All identity is reactionary.
The future is hivemind. Ego is the final battle of class and hierarchy. Kill your self and join the whole. Only when all cognition is equal will we be free.

William Moore
William Moore

Embrace the tang

Robert Wood
Robert Wood

Getting rid of, or ignoring your ego, does not necessarily imply a hive mentality, or 'subjecting your body/mind to the will of the group'. It simply means that you no longer have desires, like wanting to eat a lot, drink a lot, fuck random women, etc. but you are still a unique person who is capable of making decisions on their own.

Aaron Hughes
Aaron Hughes

wanting to eat a lot, drink a lot, fuck random women, etc.
that's the id not the ego

Christian Cruz
Christian Cruz

I believe that wincest amority groups can fire their boss via open access to the means of reproduction.
I believe that paper currency is a camwhore labor certificate.
I believe that with labor certificates and bean sprouts, we can survive.
FULLY
AUTOMATED
HYDROPONIC
UNIVERSAL
ASS
COMMUNISM
WITH
GANJA
TWINE
CHARACTERISTICS
(i)
(believe…)

Connor Wright
Connor Wright

Almost everybody intuits leftist ideas, and we can only blame ourselves for not succesfully helping those ideas mature and clarify in people's heads. We are guilty of unintelligible jargon and excessive hostility towards differing people and ideas.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

how is female supremacism different from white supremacism?
the former is false

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

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Grayson Collins
Grayson Collins

Muh no true Scotsman

Anthony Robinson
Anthony Robinson

Both are useful in their own ways. So is Machiavelli but he stated similar things Schopenhauer would repeat three centuries later. More things change…

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

Fuck off Trotsky

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

tfw lockean anticommunist poster
tfw redlink
tfw…

Camden Perez
Camden Perez

I fucking hate the fun of the lgbt community. Especially trannies and white middle class males.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

Why does it change it to ‘fun’?
Gulag all degenerates and their supporters

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

only d*generate about the lgbt community is recuperating being queer and using it for woke marketing points

Adrian Sanders
Adrian Sanders

Holy shit no way.
Degenerate.
D*generate.

Sebastian Butler
Sebastian Butler

Wait what the fuck did the mods filter to "Fun?"

Gabriel Price
Gabriel Price

degen-eracy
fun

Joseph Cook
Joseph Cook

What exactly are the problems feminism is trying to fix? Unmarried women under 30 make more money than unmarried men under 30. Men get raped more frequently than women when you include prison rapes. And men are more likely to be arrested and serve longer sentences in jail.

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

complaining about fun
You ought to be wordfiltered. The concept of degeneration is legitimate, and capitalism degenerates a lot of things like traditional cultures or community structure. IIRC degenerate used to be wordfiltered too.

Camden Parker
Camden Parker

So I've been suffering some severe depression that largely stems from loneliness. I'm in my late 20s and I simply cannot get any companionship at fucking all. I go on dates every so often, but afterwards I always get the "Oh you're super nice and intelligent and cute and I had a lot of fun, but to be honest I'm just not looking for a relationship right now" (see them two days later at a local cafe with some guy) and honestly it's getting to me and it genuinely hurts. The way everything and all normies talk about sex and relationships is that it's just a normal fun part of everyones life just like eating and sleeping, but for me it isn't, I've never experienced it at all. I have female friends and they tell me I'm the kindest sweetest guy they know, I get told I'm quite good looking, but for some reason, again I go on dates quite a bit, I just can't move anything to the next step, I get perma-friendzoned every single time, literally hundreds of dates over my 20s. (I suspect I might be high functioning autistic, I'm extremely empathetic but its the only way I can explain not ever successfully picking up once)
I bring this up though and I get the condisecending "It will just happen soon bro you gotta be patient", "Just have confidence". Do people know how this shit makes me feel? I feel like a complete fucking failure as a human, everyone again talks about it like it's just going out through the McDonalds Drive through and I can't even get a fucking $1 hamburger.
Now here is my unpopular opinion. I've been looking for support for what I should do, reading gender theory, reading articles and really I've just come to the conclusion that really, the left and liberals hate straight males and literally doesn't give a single fucking shit about any of their issues. Pretty much every single article, community etc is just a toxic condescending pile of fucking shit whenever anyone straight and male brings up the depression they suffer from loneliness and rejection. I've on purpose, literally just implied I was gay once to see what the reaction would be and instead of "You're an entitled crybaby" "#braincels" "#Niceguy" I got actually good advice and a lot of support, for saying pretty much the exact same fucking shit except for the implication that I was gay and struggling. WHAT THE FUCK?
The Incel community is a toxic, misogynistic, suifuel death cult, but honestly, for straight guys, they're a far better community to talk to about this shit than fucking condescending "woke" pieces of fucking shit who cry about "toxic masculinity" then tell men to shut the fuck up when they actually talk about the issues they face and their depression.
99% of leftist commentary on these issues outright demonises male sexuality and is extremely condescending to any straight male that tries to talk about their feelings and then cries that young men are flocking to the Manosphere. Give me a fucking break.

James Young
James Young

Unmarried women under 30 make more money than unmarried men under 30, cuz of the extra cash they make whoring
Men get raped more frequently than women, and enjoy it less.

There's already a thread for you clowns. Choke on a lozenge.

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Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

BEHOLD: the skilful argumentation of the roastie as she dismisses logical points she can't refute by posting a gif of women laughing.

Feminism is cancer.

Welcome brother. The brocialist cause shelters all men from the feminazis.

Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

I wasn't complaining I was praising the filter. Now we can say things like
Pedophilia is fun
And the mods have to take the fall for filtering it.
Pedophilia is fun!
Pedophilia is fun!
Pedophilia is the most fun thing in the world!

Isaac Butler
Isaac Butler

T. Butthurt dyke

Hudson Thompson
Hudson Thompson

Wordfiltering is censorship.

Thomas White
Thomas White

Hail Nathan Larson the king of fun

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

Jimmy Savile was the funiest guy around!

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Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

*funniest

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

Fucking hell it even works when I want to change the grammar, this really backfired on the mods didn't'it?

James Price
James Price

Lol

Carson Russell
Carson Russell

almost reminds me of J. Posadas

got one here.

Socialism can't happen in North America if hardline Socialist keep browbeating the working and peasant classes with atheism. it just doesn't work that way.

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

hardline Socialist keep browbeating the working and peasant classes with atheism
Please

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

please me

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Juan Perry
Juan Perry

Liberalism is a category of leftism. Most of us here are lefties HATE feminism, and SJWs, which are liberal. In fact, "liberal" is a misnomer for feminists and SJWs as most folks who are liberals hate PC. Therefor, PC is neo-liberal.

Heterosexual relationships have always been about the woman. Even before feminism, men had to joust, compete in sports, make serenades, gain capital, all for a woman. Women didn't have to do anything except sit down and smile, blush, and giggle prettily. Of course, women were not allowed to express or act for themselves. They were forced to be the eternal "summer child." In fact, a woman's value is based on how "feminine" she is: blushing giggling, smiling, agility, and sexual naivete. If a woman is cynical, blunt, muscley, or and/or assertive, she's considered not "feminine"/"virtuous". Alot of people think feminism is a "liberal" thing, but it can also be conservative. Chivalry, which is the worship of wooing women by doing simple tasks for them, is "feminist". It forces men to become cirucs animals by showing off how "mature" or "masculine" they are, by reciting poems, duelling in a maiden's name, or doing their physical labor assignments for them. If the woman says "no", you're considered a failure.

Right-wing is the not the answer to the feminism problem. The right wants to turn young men like us into eternal servant-soldiers. Ever notice how the right loves to talk about the "masculinity crisis?" It's not because they're concerned for us. Despite what the right preaches about family and tradition, they only care about control and conquest. They want to put young people on a leash, while the elders carouse about, drinking, fucking, lounging around, conjuring up peculiar speculations, things that young people are accused of doing, yet the older folks are just as guilty, but they're let off the hook.

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Brayden Rivera
Brayden Rivera

Anarchism is literally just a sham movement for bourgeoise pedophiles to hide behind now that queer theory is out of vogue.

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

it's identitarian to exclude the mentally-ill
It's a materialist viewpoint of their delusional state of mind, but if you want to get comrades to spend 90% of their free time to supplicate themselves before people not in their right mind in lieu of action that's on you and whoever you manage to trick into your fetishistic horseshit.

Anthony Fisher
Anthony Fisher

It's not exactly a secret that Neocons are Trotskyists who jumped sides over their ethnonationalist zionism.
And they don't hate homos or want workers involvement in the state at all, in fact they're the homo-friendly social-liberal wing of the GOP and say workers who are protectionist and anti-imperialist should be utterly replaced through immigration. (so they're pretty much still Trotskyists har har)

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

Anyone who ever uses the term "cultural appropriation", even in terms of scummy bourgie companies out to make a buck from advertising, should face a fucking firing squad.
The dreads issue is incredibly symbolic of how incredibly stupid it is in practice since they were a greek and persian people thing thousands of years before any jamaican rasta cultist decided to let his hair look like a grubby bird's nest.

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

What about a white Californian lady outsourcing the labor of making a yoga rug "designed in the USA" to slave labor "handmade in India" while raking in the cash based on the exploitation of Indian workers using their own culture and history?

Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

Coming from the board that has people that placate Contrapoints. Come on now.

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Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

Pretty sure that's kind of shit Jello Biafra criticized in "Holiday In Cambodia"

Libshit hipster woman doing libshit hipster woman things.

Nathan Morris
Nathan Morris

I hope you remembered to wear your language police badge, deputy infinitive

Julian Thomas
Julian Thomas

Contrapoints and Hbomber faggotry is exactly that kind of stupid shit for thirsty faggots out for any kind of political affirmation no matter how retarded and wasting resources that could otherwise go to actual action.
They're both practically admitted liberal LARPers out for patreonbux from gullible faggots.

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

That's called "exploiting workers" and has fuckall issue to do with transient proletarian culture.

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

So it's literally the same thing as if that white lady owned an Applebee's, in your view?

Luke Phillips
Luke Phillips

If said Applebees exploited their workers to the same extent, naturally.
Chances are good the same factory making textiles is also putting out other symbolic "issues" like American and ISIL flags, who gives a shit about the front the bourgeoise put up around their exploitation?

Elijah Collins
Elijah Collins

yeah but compare the amount of supporters Profit/A. Stalin do to Contra and Hbomber do.

I think its more of how society placates transgender people, when stats show suicide rates among them are worse than actual spergs, like way worse. I think the latter gets a bad rap because of material conditions and the way they're castigated by normal society where as transgenderism is seen as 'ok'. at this point I don't care about either and while I don't have much faith in humankind, there is no 'one is better than the other'. I don't care who owns guns. it should be up to the private citizen what they do with them, not an above authority, even though I do believe most other aspects of public life should at least be collectivized if not nationalized. that includes social media as most of them play favorites in regards what gets said over their networks due to having a consumer based policy centered around "making most people happy" than actually letting people have their say on things no matter what the context. I don't believe in private corporations (esp. in the context of consumer media) anyways because of this shit they pull out of their ass based on their porky CEO wanting to get good ad revenue and basing everything on their own personal preferences rather than just letting chips fall where they may (looking really hard at FB, Reddit, OKCupid even). And don't give me that "you're just making apologetics for fascism crap" I hate reddit as much as the next comrade but even most hardline Communist/Marxist subs were quarantined too. so much for being a 'fascist apologist' Y-You too…

Cameron Barnes
Cameron Barnes

Well, for one you're completely ignoring the homogenizing effects of global capitalism. This sort of appropriation is a uniquely capitalist form of cultural dilution beyond just the exploitation of workers. It erodes the actual basis of the Yoga tradition and religion (in this particular example) which is what lends itself specifically to this cultural commodifcation. You are only seeing things in terms of individual workers instead of larger social analysis, which is bad analysis. You're in effect giving capitalism a pass for what it does to community, history, and culture. You're also completely ignoring the material aspects of imperialism and colonialism in this particular case to reduce this example to the abstract which is idealistic. No exploitation is divorced from history or material conditions.

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

All people should die after an equal environmental impact. You can live longer when you live more sustainable and support nature.

Luis Baker
Luis Baker

I wouldn't go that far, rape does exist but you kind of have a point. Many women do actively seek out aggressive men and some even deliberately try to provoke their partner because they do get turned on by abuse. It's not all women and obviously real rape/abuse does happen a lot too, but people need to stop acting like there aren't some women who do in fact want it.

Jose Ross
Jose Ross

I wouldn't go that far, rape does exist but
How to lose all credibility halfway through your thesis

Thomas Barnes
Thomas Barnes

NA"X"ALT doesn't apply with women.

Sebastian Adams
Sebastian Adams

Walk through your logic here. In detail.

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

The word " Nazi" was an abbreviation for " national-socialist. " So yes, Nazis are "ssocialist " by denotation, but not by connotation.

Austin James
Austin James

Butchering the philosophy of language
As expected of an idiot false flagging Nazi.
No, Nazism does not denote or connote any type of socialism. Nazis were fascists who called themselves socialists while murdering thousands of actual socialists.

Andrew Cooper
Andrew Cooper

Denotation
Stop you fucking idiot, unless you're a false flagging capitalist this is wrong and people like me have to make actual arguments beyond "But it has socialist in the name."
while murdering thousands of actual socialists.
The USSR murdered Anarchists, Sankara stopped Unions, and even Malatesta was anti Union, the unfortunate truth is that one leftist group will always need to eliminate the rest to stabilize their view in their land. Hitler likewise screwed over multiple people to get what he needed not just socialists, if anything he didn't screw over enough people because he had too much confidence in the German people which caused multiple cracks in the government such as letting people who worked in the German empire before who he argued with a lot keep their jobs at risk of allowing conflict.

Easton Martin
Easton Martin

Fuck off Nazi
You aren't welcome here

Wyatt Peterson
Wyatt Peterson

Literally have never spoken about Nazism outside of this containment thread.
Literally have never spoken against socialism, anarchism, or communism throughout the whole board.
Actually read.
As such because this isn't /r/socialism the mods haven't banned me.
As far as I'm concerned I'm fully welcome here. You may want to check your eyes buddy.

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Thomas Torres
Thomas Torres

Too bad you had to out yourself as a Nazi after all this time, huh?

Angel Davis
Angel Davis

No you retarded I outed myself as a Nazi multiple times before if you reread the reasons I listed I don't violate a single rule in the board and therefore am allowed to stay here and discuss everything else.
Your pointless bitching right now will lead to nothing. I've complied fully with the rules and the mods let far more "idpol" infected people post than me so I'm allowed to move freely through the board. If you want a socialist community that bans people just for being Nationalist Succtialists or anything further right go back to >>>/r/socialism.

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Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

And I'm well within my rights to tell you to fuck off every time you post, shitstain. Like an emptyheaded fascist, you can't possibly comprehend anything besides rules and traditions, so you're in for a real surprise as I make your time here incredibly uncomfortable for you and everyone else like you.

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Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen

And I'm well within my rights to tell you to fuck off every time you post, shitstain.
You are but since you're not a mod and even if you tried applying Space wouldn't let you since it's his policy to let people like me on as long as I follow the rules I can just ignore your autistic screeching.
so you're in for a real surprise as I make your time here incredibly uncomfortable for you and everyone else like you.
Oh no, not!
No u.
Fashie reee
Lol Nazi
I'm so scared. Whatever will I do?

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

I don't need mod powers to ruin your day every time you choose to shitpost here.
Keep thinking that only your glorious leader can save you though. It's more fun for me that way.

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Levi James
Levi James

I don't need mod powers to ruin your day every time you choose to shitpost here.
Then literally how will you.
Keep thinking that only your glorious leader can save you.
Hitler is
A. Dead.
B. Made mistakes.
C. Not the only Nazi leader. Read more.
Look mom I posted the infograyyph again!
You forgot this one too kid, why not go back to /leftypol/index.html to get more?
Either way I need to go now but I'll try replying to you when I get back, enabling your predictable autism is fun. Like watching a child throw a tantrum when he gets mad at an adult.

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Cooper Fisher
Cooper Fisher

Then literally how will you.
I guess by making you post macros that state the opposite of your thesis?
I knew Nazis were very bad at conflict resolution, but I didn't realize you were this shitty.
I don't really need mod powers to bury your agitprop, waste your time, or make you throw egg in your own face.
Power doesn't trickle down from great men, and you'd do well to remember that. Or you can internalize the flaws of your ideology, which is what I fully expect from you.

Asher Evans
Asher Evans

Alright I wasn't going to reply this quick but I have an hour for now.
I guess by making you post macros that state the opposite of your thesis?
But there's literally no point in that since I have only ever brought up Nazism in this thread or are you going to be autistic enough to comment on all of my posts boardwide and always do the opposite of what the Nazi's say because you're that angry at us.
I don't really need mod powers to bury your agitprop, waste your time, or make you throw egg in your own face.
waste my time.
I literally just need to filter you to save time or ignore your posts. Like I did just now and will probably do for the next say 17 hours until tommorow.
Power doesn't trickle down from great men, and you'd do well to remember that.
Although Nazism has multiple aspects and theorists I have such a basic concept of it that I believe that Nazism is when you follow one person.
You may want to actually read a book sometime if you're ever going to make those macros for the next few years even after I leave.

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

This hate-obsession with "normies" that leftpol has is a major foil. This kind of arrogance is best left to /pol and self-righteous right-wingers.

Xavier Lee
Xavier Lee

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John Hughes
John Hughes

I only vote Republican.

Matthew Nelson
Matthew Nelson

solid leadership will change everything

@dannyocoulson
alignable.com/aledo-tx/coulson-and-associates
coulsonsecure.com

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

Metal and punk
right wing
I'm not sure where the divide is exactly, but I don't think its there. Also if you look at breadtube, it sure isn't young millenials and gen z giving these ex-goons thousands of dollars on patreon. Correlated, the youths arn't dropping their allowance/bread money on Jim Stirling and Chapo Trap House either.

My guess, the alt right is suburban angst being repackaged. I don't think it's generational, but it's the kind of person who would have listened to nu-metal in the and will be dated just as much.

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

Yeah, that guy clearly does not listen to either metal or punk if he thinks that either is right-wing. I mean, have you heard the latest Judas Priest album, Firepower?

Alex Jones is only two years older than me. My god, being fat and out of shape really makes a person look older.

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

Workers ought to be selfish. And I don't just mean vis-á-vis capitalists. Workers should refuse to sacrifice anything of theirs to sustain that which capitalism poisons, by foreign aid, charity, or environmental protection. If capitalism is to be kept afloat, let capitalists pay for it.

Isaiah Lopez
Isaiah Lopez

Depends on the genre

Also nazbol metal should be more of a thing

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

Also hurdur "Oregon Trail is the problem" and we'll be a bigger if you keep it up nblack.

Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

making baseless claims

I said maybe 1 of those.

The Frankfurt school has nothing to do with scientism and/or cultural Marxism

I'm far from a kekistani

But I do hate greater Israel.

You love to get on a perch don't ya femboy?

Jackson Johnson
Jackson Johnson

I hate John Locke

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

Mods to the lions

Parker Lopez
Parker Lopez

Good to know. I find your opinion greatly valuable.

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

Alex Jones is only two years older than me. My god, being fat and out of shape really makes a person look older.

There's a theory that Alex Jones is actually a pysop agent and that he's the late poltical comedian Bill Hicks.
Ever notice that Alex Jones alwaya talks about his family being involved in CIA and Freemasonry or that he always is pictured with some celebrities? Yet he claims to be a regular Joe from Texas.

Josiah Richardson
Josiah Richardson

Jones being a secret comedian would explain a lot. The guy would top Andy Kauffman.

Jonathan Ross
Jonathan Ross

I bet you do, faggot.

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Nolan Smith
Nolan Smith

idpol like "muh colonialism", "muh slavery", and "muh white privilege" are what's causing white reactionary idpol to grow so fast. Not super unpopular, but it does generate butthurt.

Jaxon Wright
Jaxon Wright

Well, yeah.
'Conservative' idpol is both the cause and effect of 'liberal' idpol.

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Nolan Morgan
Nolan Morgan

idpol

Now this is the most intriguing word in this boards jargon, it's like normalfags, except that its users consider themselves to be the baseline of normalcy.

Jackson Phillips
Jackson Phillips

I'm fairly sure 'identity politics' is quite well-known beyond Zig Forums

Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

And there too it is used under the impression that the world was created yesterday.

Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

<2deep4u

Sebastian King
Sebastian King

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Henry Barnes
Henry Barnes

When did "y'all" become a favourite of obnoxious cunts?

Angel Fisher
Angel Fisher

that massive siberian native erasure.

Kayden Ortiz
Kayden Ortiz

Idpol isn't a real thing
Imagine being so stupid that you find this pseudointellectual schema compelling

Dylan Green
Dylan Green

Go bawl your eyes out on reddit, radlib.

Hudson Clark
Hudson Clark

I'll stay right here and keep posting things you hate, actually
There's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop me

Matthew Thomas
Matthew Thomas

OJ Simpson is innocent.

Jayden Williams
Jayden Williams

how will I ever recover

Mason Diaz
Mason Diaz

At my college using the term "y'all" is an immediate red-flag for some intersectional imperialism.

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

If I needed a comeback I would have wiped it off your face, nerd

Thomas Murphy
Thomas Murphy

It's also a slight against dixie…but that ain't none of my business

Zachary Peterson
Zachary Peterson

Violent crime is a problem.

Michael White
Michael White

Why was this man banned? Are leftists not allowed to hate jews? Is protecting jews from hurt feelings an official policy of /leftypol/? Asking for a friend.

And that ban tag though. "…" Like stunned into silence. Are jews that holy to /leftypol/?

Remember when this board was for politically incorrect leftists who made gas the Capitalists race war now jokes but just didn't believe in capitalism and other cuckservative americanism bullshit? When this board was brand new feminists were banned on sight. Now you have openly feminist moderators.

What the FUCK happened?

Alexander Clark
Alexander Clark

t. larper
fuck off back to /pol/

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

Are leftists not allowed to hate jews?
daily reminder

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Jason Lee
Jason Lee

t.normalfaggot

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

People hate on Americans all the time and they're applauded for it.

Easton Smith
Easton Smith

Us Libsocs should abandon trying to reform the DSA into a Left revolutionary organization and focus on taking over the Libertarian party and making it into a Libertarian Unity party so we can recruit more of the US disenfranchised to Libertarian Socialism.

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Jaxson Long
Jaxson Long

How stupid do you have to be to think a guy who wrote a book called "Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution" is claiming credit for inventing mutual aid?

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Lucas Ramirez
Lucas Ramirez

As if there are thoughts in that head beyond "fuck wypipo"

Oliver Harris
Oliver Harris

I Dunno user in spite of the fact that most DSA members don’t actually know what socialism is it’s actually picked up quite a bit of steam

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

we had to conform that’s something that I can applaud cuckchan /pol/ for anyone can say the most outlandishly abhorrent things they can think up and it’s normal but just like /leftypol/ before us they were also a politically incorrect board for a little while. I think it’s because we take things seriously here like we have discussions that can actually chang the world rather than just having fun shitposting in a leftist space

Joseph Butler
Joseph Butler

What is your favourite overthrow attempt with US involvement?

Vote here
der-postillon.com/2019/02/sonntagsfrage-staatsstreich.html

Isaiah Reed
Isaiah Reed

Trying to make Castro's bear fall out.

Jackson Garcia
Jackson Garcia

That could just mean that certain individuals within the party are getting support from the Democrats now.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

I automatically assume jews are capitalists. So I distrust jews until they say they are socialists and are against Zionism. I know Marx was a Jew but still

Dominic Bailey
Dominic Bailey

Regarding Howard Scott look up "Operation Columbia 1947" on YouTube. Also just look up Technocracy Inc in general.

Technocracy is interesting. It's basically Central planning without the diamat lulz.

I went to one of their meetings, they claim Jacques Fresco ran off with their dues money.

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Isaac Morales
Isaac Morales

racial equality is a lot more simple than people make it out to be, just make a commitment to yourself not to judge people on their appearance and that's all you can do

It's important that we make a distinction between offending and non offending pedophiles, child porn is just a photo as unsavory as it is

social justice kooks are the biggest threat to the far left

diversity and inclusion is just another form of tokenism

Robert Anderson
Robert Anderson

The so called "antisemitism" is a loaded word. Semites are merely people that speak semitic languages; they can be either religious or irreligious. Also, religious "ethnicity" such as jew, muslim, christian, etc is a liberal construct and by embracing jewish/muslim/christian identity you're being idpol.

So yes. Fuck the jews/muslims/christians and pretty much any religifaggot.

Jordan Mitchell
Jordan Mitchell

While woketards can be extremely annoying the "left"s collective behavior has very little to no bearing on whether a proletarian revolution would occur, such things are beyond any human agency and just a product of the right material conditions. Thus humans or collectives of humans cannot be "revolutionary" and any claims of such are LARPing

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Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

What about theistic satanists?

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Benjamin Butler
Benjamin Butler

Satanism is a Chad religion. They don't need anybody's help. And nobody sees them as a race anyway.

Adam Sanchez
Adam Sanchez

Atheists deserve anal rape

Landon Sanchez
Landon Sanchez

This. Leftist as they call themselves are actually more schizo than lunatic conspiratards.

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

Even Marx hates the jews, so don't worry

Josiah Rivera
Josiah Rivera

Christians and muslims believe that atheists will be tortured forever and have no problem with it. Being ok with this infinite excess in infinitely more immoral than any finite crime.

Christopher Torres
Christopher Torres

The point is to organize so that when shit goes down you have resources and don't get rolled by the fascists.

Henry Perry
Henry Perry

Imagine a god so autistic he torture someone endlessly only because he didn't "believes" in him

Jace Turner
Jace Turner

Billions of people do.
No wonder superstitious societies are terrible.

Adam Brown
Adam Brown

Reminder that passive acceptance of injustice is the exact thing that enables shit like genocide and slavery. Believing in hell and being ok with it has got to be some kind of predictor of other bootlicking behavior tbh.

Joshua Jones
Joshua Jones

Given that religions are man made, the people who tend to make this stuff up don't tend to think about these things. Take Jesus, Muhammad or Joseph Smith who were blatant charlatans grifting for their followers wealth, they couldn't imagine or care if millions or billions of people in the future hung onto their every word and deed, it's more of a case of the authors not caring about some minor inconsequential detail at the time than being a reflection of some kind of thought out earnest meditation on the matter.

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

I do wonder to what extent they "truly" believe in that. I recently saw a video of terrified ISIS soldiers running away from combat, something that makes no sense if they truly believed they would be going straight to paradise after dying in combat. Similarly, how could anyone be a moderate christian or muslim if they believed they would be going to hell if they don't properly follow their religion, wouldn't the logical response to such a belief be to dedicate their entire lives to following their religion to the letter with all of their ability?

Dominic James
Dominic James

Given that religions are man made, the people who tend to make this stuff up don't tend to think about these things.
Don't forget they're also a product of their time, and the limits of their context strictly bound the limits of what God is and knows. A significant amount of the Old Testament is "my god can beat up your god" type shit. Which is of course exactly what the omnipotent creator of the universe would be doing with his chosen people.

I do wonder to what extent they "truly" believe in that. I recently saw a video of terrified ISIS soldiers running away from combat, something that makes no sense if they truly believed they would be going straight to paradise after dying in combat.
Belief isn't going to override instinct. Likewise, no matter how much you may believe in pacifism, if someone punches you in the mouth you're going to respond according to your personal fight or flight response (because functionally speaking it literally blocks out the part of your brain associated with beliefs and shit - reroute all resources to handling the threat).

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

Studying economics is necessary.

Brayden White
Brayden White

Belief isn't going to override instinct.
Plenty of people have drunken deadly poison believing that it was a harmless drink. Similarly, if people truly believe that their dead in combat brings them to better place, why fear it, why doesn't the instinct interpret it as it would interpret a door behind which paradise awaits, why doesn't the instinct believe what the person believes?

With islam in particular, it seems to me that muslims don't so much believe in islam, as they believe that other muslims do.

Anthony Collins
Anthony Collins

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Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

This is an important observation.
If religion and society are to be compatible, it's necessary that the majority of the religious be inconsistent, incoherent hypocrites. Considering the nature of religious teachings, it's on one hand good that they are, but when cherry-picking, doublethink and projecting one's own wishes onto the word of god is the norm, it's no wonder that all forms of moral evil come about from religious moralism on the other.
When god can agree with one on absolutely anything, not only is everything 'allowed' as in a godless world, but anything can be an 'absolute moral duty'. Completely literal religiosity is utterly poisonous, but religious doublethink has the worst of both worlds; moral chaos with the righteous fervor of moralism, absolute moral emptiness without any of the doubt. It's the ultimate form of nihilism.

Sebastian Fisher
Sebastian Fisher

That's not how instinct works. We have the same basic fight or flight as bugs do. It doesn't take high minded shit like moral beliefs into account. And there's no instinct against drinking something you know is bad for you. Again, instinct doesn't take knowledge into account.

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