Anglo-Socialism

Levi Gutierrez
Levi Gutierrez

Just a general thread for discussing a union of English speaking peoples under socialism. The topic is open, just post your thoughts.

The Anglosphere ought to be united in one confederation under socialism. A common socialist historiography for the English speaking peoples should be made, starting with Oliver Cromwell and the puritans as protosocialists in the same way East Germany mythologised the German Peasant War. Marx as English resident should be highlighted. Cecil Rhode's vision ought to be raised under the red banner.

It might never happen soon, but it's a beautiful dream. It's a dream worth holding.

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Liam Ramirez
Liam Ramirez

What, Oceania?

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

Unironically. 1984 is actually a utopia and Winston Smith is a Goldsteinist terrorist willing to drop acid into the eyes of babies. O'Brien did nothing wrong, airstrip 1 was at war.

full-stop.net/2017/02/02/features/matt-broomfield/1984-is-a-utopia-and-trump-is-not-big-brother/

Dylan Allen
Dylan Allen

You can interpret any work of fiction any way you want if you just say the magic words: "Unreliable Narrator."

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

That article is unironically correct. It was always a utopian novel

Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

'Jungian psychoanalysis' also works

Levi Rivera
Levi Rivera

USA being included
Burgers have more in common with Latin America than with the rest of the Anglo sphere
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Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark

Cromwell wasn't /ourguy/, the Diggers (and going back further, John Ball) were /ourguys/

Also I don't want an anglo federation, I want a global one.

Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

California, Texas, and Florida do anyway.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

Cromwell was the founder of the Green Pill.

Hudson Ward
Hudson Ward

Not just them but all of America. Both the US and Latin America broke broke away from their mother countries in violent revolutions. Canada didn’t. Both the US and Latin America are all Republics. Canada is still cucked to the queen. Also Canada is incredibly pacifist and polite and the US and Latin America have militaristic and vulgar cultures.

Xavier Gutierrez
Xavier Gutierrez

Canada is not polite and pacifist so much as it is content to enjoy being a part of two othe empires without having to do anything. It wasn't a polite, pacifist people who invented ice hockey.

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

It wasn't a polite, pacifist people who invented ice hockey.
It’s what they have become. The Canadian Military is a meme, and they have nothing like the militia culture America has.

Jackson Adams
Jackson Adams

That's a fun website. Here's mine.

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Jace Powell
Jace Powell

Travel thread? Travel thread.

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Luke Turner
Luke Turner

I do not know that Americans have a "militia culture," whatever that is.

Nathaniel Perez
Nathaniel Perez

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Michael Hughes

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Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

wait wtf this doesn't count t*rkey as European? hot take
but yea add that to the list

Colton Jackson
Colton Jackson

Turkey is kind of an inbetween case in my view

Gavin Harris
Gavin Harris

sure, but if you count Russia as European you should prob count t*rkey as well
it did some weird divide with South Caucasus as well, I think Georgia and Armenia was counted as Europe and Azerbaijan as Asia?

David Scott
David Scott

Europe as a concept is almost kind of silly, especially since the further East you go the vaguer and less-defined it is, leading to weird seeminlgy-arbitrary splits like you described above with the Caucasus, stuff like a European versus non-European Russia. I’ve even seen parts of Kazakhstan classified as European in some maps.

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

I love the fact that the primitivist has visited this many tribes and hasn’t traded dozens of diseases or has is head split by a large stick

Brandon Gomez
Brandon Gomez

pretty sure that poster is the reasonable ecosocialist rather than the psychotic primmie

Austin Gonzalez
Austin Gonzalez

europe as a concept is almost kind of silly
oh come on now. Europe is obviously a distinct cultural and political region in the same way india is. Yeah, the lines between whats indian and whats middle eastern blur as you go west, east, or north, but its still a distinct region overall, you can even see it sticking out into the sea. europe is even more of a peninsula.
And this isn't eternal, Mediterranean parts of europe were better thought of as part of a mediterranean world shared by north africa and parts of the near east in the ancient world, but it doesn't make it less relevant for a long time during and after the roman empire up to this day.
Political regions like this getting blurry and more poorly defined is true for any such region and it doesnt make the concept of there being regions like this worth describing useful. Its no more real than any other abstraction, but its a useful abstraction.

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

Exactly, thank you

David Cox
David Cox

the psychotic primmie
Have any actual arguments?

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

Yeah, the lines between whats indian and whats middle eastern blur as you go west, east, or north, but its still a distinct region overall
What are the specific distinctions?

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

So where does Europe end and why there?

Wyatt Campbell
Wyatt Campbell

So where does Europe end and why there?
There is no hard border and the fact that its still a valid distinctin despite that is my entire post.

Does your brain explode when you see a color gradient?
"Dude theres not really a red region and a blue region, look at it, where does the red end and the blue begin? Checkmate athiests."

Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

applying color-gradient metaphors to arbitrary lines on a map and ideas like Europe

Alexander Jones
Alexander Jones

the color gradient metaphor is mostly accurate for a description of regions you mong.
Trying to define a region like europe with hard lines is retarded but that doesn't mean the notion of the region isn't valid.
dude theres no such thing as europe/china/india cuz if you just go east/west/north or east or west it stops being europe/china/india eventually where do you draw the line bruh there is no line so its not real
Dumbass.

James Ward
James Ward

Europe doesn't exist. It's an invention. It's all a part of Afro-Eurasia

Luke Butler
Luke Butler

Afro-Eurasia doesn't fucking exist either. Theres no objective reason to give a shit about continuous landmasses. And afro-eurasia is split up by a canal anyways.
Europe exists just as much as afro-eurasia does, its all abstractions. None of them /actually/ exist, but afrasia and europe are both useful ones.

Nicholas Barnes
Nicholas Barnes

Continuous landmasses have clear definitions and quantifiable physical properties. Europe and India are just made up.

Luis Howard
Luis Howard

There is no hard border and the fact that its still a valid distinctin despite that is my entire post.
How is a concept valid without a clear definition?

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

like, how can you even talk about the black region of a gradient, vs the white region? where does the black stop and the white end? Its all just grey man, theres no black, no white, free your miiiiiiind
Brainlet.
Afro-eurasia is not continuous. Its divided by the suez canal.
Enormous portions of the concepts you use to think about the world are made up, but they're still useful.
Calling regional names silly because the distinctions they're based on fade into each other instead of having clear cut lines is fucking retarded.

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

Afro-eurasia is not continuous. Its divided by the suez canal.
hurr durr

Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross

divided in two by water is actually continuous
Why?
Exactly how many centimeters of water at how many centimeters of depth are required before landmasses are considered "separated", to you?
Right, the real answer is "stop being autistic", because this is not an empirical fact of nature, just a useful category.

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

gradients
What is the supposed substance that is shifting?

Why?
Because the Suez Canal is a man-made shipping lane. Goddamn, you're dumb.

Samuel Hernandez
Samuel Hernandez

It's a man-made canal. They still connect below it. You're just a giant retard

Isaac Cruz
Isaac Cruz

What is the supposed substance that is shifting?
Political influences.
language families.
religious influences.
etc.

Dylan Gray
Dylan Gray

its a man made canal
land that is physically divided by water is not actually divided by water if it was people who made it like that
totally arbitrary distinction to make your unreal abstractions look more "objective" than other unreal abstractions.

Carson Green
Carson Green

None of that feelz shit is a substance. It is entirely unquantifiable. Hell, you can't even call it a qualitative state beyond any given individual.

So man made Asia and Africa in 1869. Never mind the continental shelf–you know, that thing that defines a continent.

Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

political institutions, cultural traits, and language are 'feelz'
History and anthropology are not hard sciences. Stop being autistic.
Do you just want 'europe' to be an invalid category because its one that nazis fetishize and treat as more than an abstraction?

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

Do you just want 'europe' to be an invalid category because its one that nazis fetishize and treat as more than an abstraction?
It has nothing to do with Nazis, though I’m sure they’d call me a Jew for arguing this. It is an abstraction, it’s a part of a larger landmass that is arbitrarily called its own full-fledged continent. India should counted as a continent (not just a sub-continent) by this logic. It’s stupid

John Evans
John Evans

I never said 'continent' you dumb fuck

Joshua Allen
Joshua Allen

political institutions, cultural traits, and language are 'feelz'
Yes, that is exactly what they are. If you want to argue otherwise, show us the material reality that defines them.

History and anthropology are not hard sciences.
So what? That has fuck-all to do with anything.

Do you just want 'europe' to be an invalid category because its one that nazis fetishize and treat as more than an abstraction?
Europe is invalid as a concept, because it has no practical definition, unless you are willing to concede that it is just lines on a map. That is what an argument based on reason looks like. Now, why do you want it to be valid? Where is the reason that underpins your claim?

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Lucas Brown
Lucas Brown

Yes, that is exactly what they are. If you want to argue otherwise, show us the material reality that defines them.
politics, human culture, human language, architectural styles, and the geography of a peninsula sticking off the end of a continent all have no underlying material reality
See your own picture. I'm done here, your argument is too retarded to bother with.

Christian Cruz
Christian Cruz

politics, human culture, human language, architectural styles
They have material causes but no material reality in themselves.

the geography of a peninsula sticking off the end of a continent
Europe is not a peninsula, which should by obvious given that it is mostly composed of other peninsulas. Even if you did want to call it a "peninsula" what would be the significance of such a distinction?

I'm done here, your argument is too retarded to bother with.
You have nothing but your own inability to recognize spooks to blame for your frustration.

Evan Stewart
Evan Stewart

spooks
A spook is something you place above your own self interest. Using abstractions to make sense of history is subordinating them to your self interest.

Cooper Baker
Cooper Baker

Using abstractions to make sense of history
History? What is the historical model that requires abstractions in the form of Europe and India to make sense? What do these ill-defined, immaterial, and inconsistent abstractions offer? How can such a thing even be employed analytically, given that analysis only works within a rigid framework?

Christian Howard
Christian Howard

India is a subcontinent surrounded by mountain ranges though. India is as real as the Appalachian mountain range or the North European plain is.

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