Zig Forums, lets talk about romance. How do we make virtue more exciting than degenerate sex? Because if white people keep getting this wrong, as they increasingly have thanks to (((certain influences))), the population will decline and the robustness of the family and individual will as well.
Romance Types
Starting with some definitions to show the problem to be challenged if you disagree so we get this right:
sage
larp thread. We don't have a movie studio retard
What TWO consenting adults of OPPOSITE SEX do in the privacy of their bedroom within a LIFELONG coupling do has nothing to do with me.
the only thing that should be promoted is having sex only when it's with your wife for the sake of procreation. if you want to accept anything less than this then i guess you're free to do so, but to promote anything other than this is bad
this is such a bad argument. degeneracy affects everyone
Well. We want them to make more white babies. Also reverse roles and crossdressing is degenerate without question, it ruins marriage stability and function, but so does a working woman.
This user is right, don't start trying to poke your big hooked nose in business that isn't yours faggot.
That regulate itself when you promote having a big family with policies to help support it like under Hitler.
It was anti-gay you stupid faggot
Whatever man if they are making babies and doing naughty things that excite them and elevate boredom in this oversexed world I do not care. As long as they do not talk about it do not share it and never get caught by there kids
this, again, is the same argument of "it's okay if gay people have sex because it doesnt hurt anybody if they do it in privacy and are in a committed relationship"
yeah hitler also was a drug addict tranny with one testicle and a scat fetish, right. and even if that stuff is all true who cares?
hitler lost ww2; i guess next time whites get in an all out war against juden again we should lose on purpose, right?
what does this fallacious irreverence have to do with the picture? it wasnt even made by the nsdap. you're exactly the jew in the bottom right of the picture
i was making a parallel - illustrating how the same argument could be applied to fags.
absolute garbage
Relax, retard, I was just speaking my thoughts. There was no criticism of you or the picture in my post.
Do not pry into other peoples business, a man or a woman going down on each other has literally fuck all to do with you or me.
Almost anything can be applied to any argument if your skill in rhetoric and verbal IQ is high enough. The fact that it can and in most cases is applied to gay shit has no bearing on it. Why is homosexuality bad? Because it breaks down society, destroys male bonds, destroys young males, breaks down family units, destroys natural family rearing. So please tell me how a blowjob from a married woman for her husband in the privacy of their own home breaks down anything, you mongliod.
Except faggots never keep it to themselves and anyone can spot a faggot from miles away. Letting mentally ill fuck eachothers in the ass =/= letting couples have fun at the same time as making white babies
this thread is so fucking low iq. it's either that or judaism
irrelevant.
i originally stated that people are free to do that if they choose to, though it should not be promoted
sexual deviancy and aberration is a very slippery slope.
You get it, the older I get the more I see National Socialism for the kinds of people it attracts. There are fundamentally two types.
Type one
Type two
Dr. Pierce said it best, everything should be weigh by if it benefits or harms the white race. If it benefits promote it, if it harms destroy it.
You sure you ain't Jewish?
Check your vocabulary chart again, Moshe. First post, always.
So all those various courtship rituals and sexual practices should be left up to mere (((chance))) to influence? You live in a time where your unwillingness to contribute to your society's cultural expectations will only leave that duty in the hands of others. And we've seen where that has led. You already recognize that degeneracy affects everyone, so it does matter that you have a hand in shaping your cultural expectations the right ways.
Also, sex for mere procreation is a misunderstanding of what human sex is for. Women have a sexual strategy known as Hidden Ovulation, which unlike dogs or cats that go into period of extremely obvious heat, human women hide their fertility for the most part from men. This promotes active pair-bonded sex to make sure whenever she IS fertile, she's got the ingredients for babies ready inside her already. It is likely an adaptation to avoid one-off rape impregnation since the rapist won't be exactly sure which females are most fertile at that moment, which also is promoted in the shape of the human penis being able to scoop out rival semen and even in male behavior therein (the root of the physical pleasure of cuckoldry is due to an increased ejaculation volume while witnessing or believing your mate is getting fucked by someone else). In addition, chemical compounds in seminal fluid serves both as an anti-depressant and to deepen pair bonding with a woman among other potential odd features (like the potential of micro-chimerism or the very real case of pheromone influences) that shows sex is for lifelong pair bonding rather than merely procreation. And good thing that's real - your version would be terribly boring and wouldn't get anyone away from degenerate sexual practices in a healthy manner.
Exactly this. Virtue is the medicine, sexuality is the sugar that helps it go down. Strip away the sugar and fewer people take their medicine. It's that simple.
For the most part I agree with you. However, the nature of degeneracies is that they alter the way you think, behave, and sometimes even your physicality. I view the issue like junk food: Some junk food is worse for you than others, and while some people have a higher tolerance for it, eventually everyone who eats nothing but junk food gets sick in ways that go beyond their ability to eat. Cuckoldry for example leaks out into more behaviors as the habit of sexual gratification from humiliation and being dominated takes over, and if you don't think that will affect decisions outside of the bedroom if that is all they do, I believe you may be mistaken. But for the most part if it is contained in the bedroom, with a culture that says do what you will but this and that shit is disgusting so don't parade it around, that's probably good enough in concert with a society that properly orients more or less towards virtuous ends.
Good points on homosexuality, I'll have to recall those next time I get into an argument about it. As for oral sex I've heard though I don't personally ascribe to a thought that men should not give oral sex to women because it is generally an act of submission and being submissive to most women is naturally unattractive and denigrating in a man. A wife giving the blowjob though didn't seem to offend that guy though since it was the woman being submissive. I'd say it's fine to play on many aspects of sexuality, and there can be degenerate versions of almost any sexual act, even the ones that Zig Forums touts most. It's when an act becomes something denigrating, demeaning, or debased outside of a certain tolerance range that problems arise. It seems complicated and dependent on the actors involved.
Well, ignore the stupid and talk about the topic. There are filters for a reason.
Very articulate and I agree with you. The only reason it should be allowed is because of the oversexed society we live in today barring a complete and utter overhaul. With all and any pornography being nuked from the internet. I do not see how we are going to get people back to a previous virtuous state regarding sex in anything less than three generations.
Like with all things it is a very complex problem. If a society promotes willpower, virtue they will naturally gravitate towards it eventually and social outcasts will be outcasts because of their perversions. Male female bonding is a complex mechanism and submissive and dominate roles do change sometimes. Let me give a an example. The Valkyrie, tending to wounded warriors. A woman's role is sometimes the dominate one in a case like this tending to her husband after battle or nurturing him after periods of excessive stress. Do not get me wrong though I do not condone submission towards your wife in the bedroom I mearly brought this up as a way to try and express the incredibly complex mechanism of male female bonding.
Roles are very weird actually. Just another example from something unrelated. The alpha male in a primate group will usually leave other males to fight among themselves or even when they fight with other females (I thought that they would stop the fight quickly for the sake of group cohesion) but they let them fight it out. It is however expected of the Alpha male to step in if the " fight" goes too far and they really start hurting each other. If the alpha doesn't stop the fight or stops it too early he is seen as weak and suffers social consciousnesses. I only bring this up because if primate social structure is complex, imagine how complex human sexual roles can really become. Just food for thought.
Whites can have all the heterosexual sex they want.
I want to prevent the others from getting laid.
I want to keep niggers from fucking ANYTHING but other niggers.
Some of what you mentioned brings out the idea of the woman chasing the man. This is usually done to "fix" him, or to bring out a more tender side. Highlights that men should not be just macho killers, but have a humane side. Also shows that it's okay for women to make herself available for a suitable man. However, this idea can be subverted with the introduction of men that APPEAR powerful, but have no benevolent core to unearth. (Blacks, Hispanics) Be very careful with this, contextualize properly.
sage
Using scripted (((Alt-Right))) speak. Now I know this is a stupid slide thread.
What are you going to do about all this? Anything? You going to start a romance publishing company? Put up more (((activism))) posters? There is no point to this thread because it's larping, "Zig Forums we should change people's dependence of birth control"
"Zig Forums we should make white women fall in love with romance again. Let's start creating archetypes and…" AND WHAT? And do what with this?
Larping
Zig Forums we should build nano-bots that attack a nigger's sperm count…
Healthy sexuality is sex in pursuit of building a stronger relationship or having a baby. This is not only nondegenerate, it is virtuous and good.
It starts with anons. Don't have sex with someone who you do not want a relationship with and do not want a kid with. Ive fucked up many times an failed to do this, but I got my act together and started going on dates and now I have a meaningful relationship instead of random pump and dumps.
Don't fugg a girl you would want to marry and have kids with and who you don't plan on pursuing.
>So all those various courtship rituals and sexual practices should be left up to mere (((chance))) to influence?
it is not necessary to have sex in order to secure a wife. nor do you have to do modern things like "blowjobs"
then, is there an optimal number of times sex should be had? weekly, monthly, or in short bursts one week out of every month while abstaining the rest of the month or something like that? is there anything that points to one time (or as few as possible) per child not being optimal?
the more sex you have the less meaningful it becomes. frequent sex degrades the value of it entirely. of course in the era of quantity most people dont even have a conception of what real quality could actually look like, and all this would take time - like at least a couple of generations for meaningful change to take a strong hold
once jews are all gone we will see what works best and is most desirable and healthy since we'll have clearer eyes and heads. if it turns out that it's best to have sex every wednesday or only on full moons or something then so be it, but in these days not even science and medicine can be trusted.
the "supply and demand" of sex and potential mates should also be considered as far as courtship is concerned.
what is a good way to go about this? surely it would be a hassle to ban all nsfw media, and preventing people from posting pictures or videos of themselves would also be difficult and probably not worth it, but banning all profit and advertisement is simple and would have a massive effect, wouldnt it? a quick google search showed that pornhub makes over 100 million dollars a year, and i dont think they do any of the actual production
Fuck off reddit.
the more sex you have the less meaningful it becomes. frequent sex degrades the value of it entirely. of course in the era of quantity most people dont even have a conception of what real quality could actually look like, and all this would take time - like at least a couple of generations for meaningful change to take a strong hold
once jews are all gone we will see what works best and is most desirable and healthy since we'll have clearer eyes and heads. if it turns out that it's best to have sex every wednesday or only on full moons or something then so be it, but in these days not even science and medicine can be trusted.
the "supply and demand" of sex and potential mates should also be considered as far as courtship is concerned.
Very interesting take on it I have no answer though. Semen ingested by a woman through Anal sex or oral sex does have a benefit for her body to be less likely to reject the fetus among other health benefits. Seemingly highest with anal sex, even compared to vaginal sex. Keep this in mind that after a woman has had one son, her body becomes more adept at fighting the foreign agent "male dna" and that is why in most cases latter born sons are often smaller and more likely to be homosexual. I don't have the three studies on hand unfortunately.
I think attacking the ads would be the best option by far along side with actively learning people about the the negative effects of pornography.
Culture can change remarkably fast under the right conditions. Remember how big a change has occurred over the country since 2015. When the Overton Window shifts, things that seem out of the question now suddenly become more than possible.
True also, which is why I disagreed with the strict nature of the 'no oral' guy focusing too much on the act and not on the context. Tending and mothering is naturally dominant (think of how a mother is like a goddess to children, and the witch who devours children in a corrupt form a maternal instinct), though that dominance doesn't necessarily conflict with masculine forms so long as one dominance doesn't try to smother the other. A scene in the animated Beauty and the Beast is where Belle tends to the Beast's wounds, which at first he gets aggressive about, but eventually lets her help him - which is part of that relaxing of unhealthy extremes of sexual roles to allow for that pair-bond scenario to develop. It's an emergent system and man and woman and another reason why same-sex couples lack fundamental qualities that lead to healthy family environments.
If you're clever enough about that, you can do a great deal without anyone even noticing. It could be to create a romance narrative that precludes interracial shit which is thankfully an extremely natural inclination already. Women are highly cognizant and horrified of social rejection, which is why it is important to show disdain and disgust towards interracial couples - particularly towards the women caught up in them.
A very good point. One of the most popular sexual fantasy among women is rape scenarios, mainly because of the abrogation of responsibility in the woman and to revel in the 'powerful male'. I think men care about benevolence more than women, in the same way that men value other abstractions like loyalty or honor. Women more or less care if they will get to cling to and maybe provide for a masculine power in return for experiencing that power themselves when it comes to sexual attraction. How to break that attraction would be to show their weaknesses god knows Zig Forums has plenty on that and play off of that social disapproval angle I think. Probably more ways to break it too, like eliciting strong disgust.
To ultimately meme archetypes into existence in the popular mind. This is called crowd-sourced research which leads to discussions on how to make it manifest. And only a moron or a (((shill))) would balk at a discussion of how to create healthy norms in white society.
That's a pretty good working definition, and good advice otherwise.
Never said it was. Premarital sex has good evidence to suggest it may be a degenerate practice that should not be encouraged.
If you engage with it in a tedious way, sure. I'm sure there is research on how frequent sex occurs with healthy couples, but it varies a lot. Some have sex multiple times a day, others one or twice a month. What is very true however is that a bad sex life leads to a bad relationship almost every time, so it is important to satisfy both partners somehow.
Did Pythagoras and Clement say the same when they made their postulations? Obviously not. Don't rely on outside factors to determine whether you pursue truth and the good life or not. Might be difficult to find it, but that's what places like Zig Forums are for when you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.
I've heard that before. Semen also contains testosterone, which might stave off some of those effects. Pure speculation though - some primitive societies are convinced that frequent sex during pregnancy is necessary to produce strong children, and others forbid it entirely.
>do i speak of dirty things? that is not the worst that could happen. it is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters.
-zarathustra (nietzsche) on chastity
very unfortunate to be afflicted by "the bitch", sensuality. for according to nietzsche, if chastity is made "difficult" by this bitch then she will taint even the virtue of chastity. though maybe if you can get to the point where "the bitch" is so isolated there then you might be able to more easily grapple with it head on or take out the roots, or just go where it cannot follow and thus dies of separation/isolation. maybe the most you can do is just to never feed it in the first place though
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this, being in reference to over or unnecessary feeding of sensuality, implying that sensuality, if given an abundance of food, may grow dependent or expectant of that precedent. like trying to put out a fire with gasoline
i've heard that it is estrogenic when ingested. idk if an abundance of that hormone is good or bad for pregnancy though.
some positives could be that semen has good nutrients and magical powers, also "bonding" to an extent, while negatives could be that the mother of your child would potentially be too much of a cock-ravaged husk by the time the baby arrives. i've also heard women talk about how they were the horniest when pregnant and maybe there's good reason for that (or maybe it's just because they get crazy, but said craziness is not necessarily absent of good reason)
Sounds more like Yahweh than Hitler tbh.
So white people should go out and fuck like niggers and rabbits just to overcome the declining white population?
That's an interesting perspective, and I think we've seen people who, in trying to suppress their sexuality, just see it manifest in unfortunate ways.
There's probably something to it. Could be just a side-effect of hormone production in the pregnancy, but I imagine it could have a purpose beyond simply being fun.
That is a complete non-sequitur and so off-base from my argument it baffles me.
just reposting from Zig Forums
Graph makes sense if the women are all fucking a smaller and smaller pool of chads. It's civilization-collapsing stuff right there.
Now that's a great example of anti-arousing. This shit is almost as dangerous to virtuous sexuality as degeneracy is.
I thought this was an esoteric shitpost thread?
Lead by example. Don't over complicate this, it's super simple. A serious marriage to a good woman, assuming you're a good man yourself, is infinitely better than treating women as disposable sex dolls. Just lead by example and it will become readily apparent to any observer how much better it is.
You're missing the core of the problem: to obtain such a relationship, you yourself must already be virtuous, and not enough people today understand what that is. That's the problem I have with the "alt-right", so many boys and girls that grew up without worthwhile role models… No one has taught them how to be men and women. No one has shown them how to build character and properly cultivate their own personality so that when they find the person they're supposed to spend the rest of their life with, they'll be worthy. Why keep your virginity until marriage? To be worthy. You should be striving to honor your spouse even before you meet them, whether you're male or female. That is honorable, that is virtuous.
"Dating" is a great way to leave yourself hollow and dead inside. You lose a piece of yourself every time you have a sexual encounter with the wrong person. A happy marriage is like a full course meal, nourishing and rich. It makes you stronger, gives you more energy. "Dating" is like eating nothing but popcorn for years, worthless and it'll leave you shitting kernels and wondering what the hell you were thinking. Take the extra time to prepare a proper meal and you'll be very glad you did.
t. Married user that did it the right way and regrets nothing.
it's a fake graph meant to troll you fucksticks. the female celibacy percentage fell to 0.00% for years on end. that doesn't make logical sense.
The guy who posted that graph is named Lyman Stone. Zig Forums needs to update the firmware on their jewdar.
Good post, well done user.
The problem is that being virtuous during the fall of your people makes you into an autistic hermit.
Did you not date your wife before deciding to marry her? I understand what you're trying to say when you say"dating is worthless and unhealthy…" but I think you're letting the current generation's definition of "dating" get in the way of what you really mean to say. Which, I believe, is, the pump-n-dump hyper sexualized tinder hook up culture we've found ourselves in today is the morally and culturally degenerating, "unhealthy" and "worthless" part of society. Dating women is fine. You have to find out somehow wether a woman is worth your time, effort, respect, and seed before wanting to marry or have children.
I recently ended a relationship with a girl I met through a dating app. The first night we hung out, I had her over at my place, and within a couple hours she was borderline begging me to go "lay down" with her in bed. I really felt uncomfortable fucking this woman mere hours after meeting her for the first time. My "gut" was the one telling me it wasn't right, and was the cause of my uncomfortability. But I, admittedly, was weak, and quickly let my dick take over the thinking. Even with all the red flags and obvious signals that she was a very easy woman, a whore, I still allowed myself to see and be with this woman and eventually "fall in love" with her. Which wasn't love at all; I loved the sex but she was a terrible person. I allowed myself to put up with her for two years, even moving in together into a house, before she got a job at a bar. And within a month she was coming home at early hours in the morning, fucking around on me. I knew it would happen, I KNEW she was an easy woman, who valued sex above all else, before our relationship, or even my own well being. But I got what I deserved for not listening to my natural instinct, and instead allowing the jew to influence me with "sex is great" and "it's okay to be promiscuous" and whatever other degenerate beliefs the jew has pushed onto our western civilization. It was actually towards the beginning of that relationship when I began digesting red pills all day every day, discovering a purer and more righteous way of thinking. Which helped me realize, although not quickly enough, that that entire "relationship" was a mistake caused by my naïve 22 year old indoctrinated self.
I guess the entire reason I wrote that was, one, to touch on what you said about dating, and two, to give a real example of how NOT dating this woman, and just jumping into sex and a relationship before figuring out if this was even someone I really, truly wanted to commit my life to, ended up screwing me over in the end. I am a smarter man now. And if a woman is willing or casually mentioning having sex before or after just a few dates, I know to just leave and continue my search elsewhere for a woman who is more worthy of my time and love. Just wanted to put in my two cents.
Anons, go on out and find women to date. That doesn't mean fuck them right off the bat. Whores don't make good wives or moms. Take your time, spend quality time getting to really know and understand the woman you're seeing, and always follow your gut, and not your dick. Not being mentally strong and aware is what leads good men astray. We are always learning, some before others and If this helps one user, then my negative experiences with a dumb loose roastie will have been more than worth it. Let the niggers have the whores. White men (most anyways) DESERVE a beautiful, respectable, loving woman, who is eager to bear your children and compliment your virtuous qualities.
Post modernist pinko nonsense for people that are frustrated at universe for having consciousness. We meta-modernism now; romance exists post-ironically.
Is one the most unattractive thing you can say to a women, even professing your passion for anime, diets, toilet humor and genocide would be more acceptable. Women hate soulless men; love and romance are both very spiritual concepts. Once you understand that, the pieces will start clicking into place.
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.. and while the men and women of Zig Forums debated, children accessed pornography on their phones and ipads and had their brains wired for a gender dystopic future…
(not knocking the thread OP or the debate but raising a point)
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is trying to give faggots who can't get laid an excuse not to even try to begin with, so they can brag about how virtuous they are to themselves, or worse, to others. this user's form of severely deranged thinking leads to beta mentality
if you want to pick any woman you'd like, be it a degenerate slut or a nice trad waifu, you want to be successful with women, because that's what women like. of course, they don't say they like a jerk who has slept with countless women, yet that's what they respond to. because WOMEN DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY RESPOND TO THEMSELVES.
strive for better, anons
put your testosterone to good use
The thread is about NON degenerate sex, and creating the notion that being a degenerate whore is looked down upon even though western society promotes promiscuity and slutiness in all facets of culture. Kids and young teens have a hard time escaping constant movies, TV shows, commercials, any sort of media or entertainment pushing a superficial degenerate message. The picture you posted even goes into detail about the untrustworthiness of married and dating women. They are being brainwashed into thinking the traditional family unit is useless, and that women don't need men anymore, except for material things and sexual pleasure.
Maybe some of us are tired of the whores we come across. I know I am. I've fucked plenty of girls and have had enough sex to know that, even though sex is great, not having a loving, trustworthy woman, who strIves to be commited to ONE man and ONE cock, is pretty sad. There is nothing wrong with striving to be better, and like said, it begins with leading by example. If the dumb whore you're with is so fucked in the head that she will never change, move on until you find one. Obviously having slutty women, picking up std's and being unfaithful to the men they're with cannot be good for the family unit, men at large and society at large. It creates a hatred and lack of trust. And as a child of separated parents, I wish my dumbass boomer parents would've stayed together, for the KIDS, instead of normalizing the idea that pepole can have kids, split up and get with new people..There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to be a better person and if we can help change a few minds along the way, even better.
no talk of arranged marriages in here so far, *almost as if society has forgotten that those even used to be a thing.*
the daughter should be considered property of the father until a husband is found to transfer ownership to. this ensures that the father has an incentive to uphold the desirability of his daughter so that a good man will want to take her hand in marriage. obviously we have a long way to go.
judaism is the opposite of that, especially when applied to white people. yahweh is all about ritual sodomy and whatnot, and certainly not about the preservation of the best qualities of gentiles.
having sex once per child is the gold standard. the case can be made for exceptions, but that would be a case of "the exception proves the rule"
this is what's known as a "cope"
good job
wow really impressive (seriously, this is not an easy feat to achieve, especially in 2018) (also a very noble and fulfilling lifestyle). if only everybody was like this. that would be good for everyone if more people were like that, right?
these types of lives and scenarios cannot exist in a society alongside good and healthy ones. the two are on different sides of the spectrum and inherently combative to each other. if rampant promiscuity is the norm then marrying a virgin cannot be the norm. you cannot have both, so everybody must choose one or the other. it's an indirect correlation.
this screencap is a /misc/ tier
Share them, faggot.
Be the change you want to see in the world, OP.
Now, what I don't get, is the (mostly liberal or "centrist") people around me talk about sex all the time. It's like their favorite subject. Yet polling seems to suggest that the vast majority of these people, men and women, are having sex between 0-5 times a year. Especially the younger ones. What is going on, and how is the average not like 300-500 times a year?
as long as marriage is a failure and women are untrustworthy, you will never convince a thinking man that romance is worth bothering with.
A real man does not simply choose his woman.
He molds her.
If you want your woman to be trustworthy, you will have to make her that yourself.
I certainly dont disagree with that sentiment, but how would you apply this when confronted with the situation? Rather, when is and/or what are the opportunities to mold? And, although its most likely that no two situations would be fixed by the same method, how would you mold?
If a woman respects you (if she doesn't you are fucked) then you can tell her that the holocaust never happened but it should have and she will eventually believe you. Look at how easily brainwashed they are by the MSM into thinking Trump is anything but an alpha chad. You have much more of her attention than the media does.
It's definitely necessary in the end, but it is getting to that end which is the discussion here. People ping each other for what to think and what to do all the time, and when enough people figure out how to be properly romantic and practice virtue in sexuality and otherwise they MUST display the results of it. For virtuous sexuality that is the lovely and presentable forms of mutual devotion and duty - for degeneracy it is the lewd and disgusting displays we are all too familiar with. That's partly why Pride Parades are so bad, because the people viewing think, "This must be the norm - I must accept this and be a part of this." It is infectious so long as people don't recognize it for the heretical filth it is. But, as other anons say better than I, it is a matter of getting to that relationship which is the discussion point here. Virtue requires the good man to be effective in cultivating good in himself and around him, and that's what figuring out how good romance works is necessary to establishing virtue in our crippled society.
It isn't virtue then. That is retreat from the pain of your corrupt environment causes you. Very tempting, but not heroic or truly virtuous. You establish your home, however small, to give you rest from the torments of the world. But you must venture into the wilderness and set your mark on it to be truly a virtuous being.
I think this is closer to the ideal in our world where arranged marriages don't happen and individuals are expected to find their own mates.
And many of them are starving for the man with an actual, honest spirit. Plus as suggests, one needs to exercise their attractiveness by actual action, not 'reading about it' and thinking you've mastered it.
Such is life on Zig Forums. Let these discussions inform us of what to do, not satisfy us on having shitposted.
Exactly right.
Those who can't do, teach. It's their favorite subject because they are thristy for sex and, like the pursuit of money as a modern 'call to meaning', they obsess over it even when they're getting little or none. It also is virtue signalling to one another to boast of their sexual prowess, which in their circles adds to their perceived value.
If marriages are ending up as failures, then the thinking man will realize the romance models operating in our society today are fundamentally broken and require replacement.
Find a good clay and build her into something greater still. It's the glory and duty of men to give that existential ecstasy to women.
like a lot of stuff here you sort of just have to struggle and do the best you can in hopes that something good will come from this bad situation we're in. if you find yourself a virgin then she'll be easier to mold because she's more of a blank slate. two of the main factors are age and amount of dicks that have been inserted. i'm not trying to preach pic related (1) as gospel but it definitely gets the almonds going.
in a good society it would be the father who does the initial molding of the child, but today it is done in big part by the state (also the media but that's more or less an extension of the state). it's pretty much impossible to keep the influence of kali away from the kids entirely even if you're skillful.
anyways, back to the question;
basically just play the archetypal role of a good man/husband and also know exactly what you want and are willing to give, and stay mindful of this. it's really kind of like that thing with those old chatbots where the more you talk to it the more it learns. so you can talk to her and do casual things like go for walks in/around nature and stuff (you can even get them into a trance by doing this kind of thing where she'll be so caught up in the nice day and sunshine and endorphins and good vibes n sheit that she wont even realize you're feeding her wholesome natsoc propaganda and directly quoting alfred rosenberg. to her it will just be like "oh ya that sounds good" and before she knows it shell be in favor of the 14 words).
i guess it depends on what type of person you are, and i guess you're either autistic or you're not, so just be mindful and be yourself. pic related (2). also make sure you dont fap or watch porn or any of that because that will turn you into a really mediocre version of yourself. even if you're an already attractive and charismatic fapper you'll notice a massive difference after 90 days free. it's like what trump said in the "pussy tape". it's like a magnet. and you dont have to grab them, but hypothetically speaking you definitely could. and when you use that power for good it's easymode.
probably the main thing to watch out for is not to share too much spaghetti with her, because she may not be used to that and you also risk spilling it
yeah i've read stories before about how crazy guy serial killers and the like can convince their girlfriends or whatever to go along with their shenanigans by helping hide bodies, drive get away cars, etc.
if this is true then honestly how hard could it be for somebody who looks like pic related (3) to get a woman to simply go along with her biological imperative and live a nice wholesome fulfilling life?
we should ask women about this, I'm sure many of them think like us
I wouldn't say that I agree with this guy 100%, but he makes a number of interesting points.
All in all guys, keep your eyes peeled. Its okay to search for a woman, how else would you do it? Tinder or any similar places are not where you want to look, at least for ROMANCE. If fucking loose sluts is your thing then have it, but even women that aren't on dating sites are still potentially fucked by our warped sense of sexuality and ideals on relationships. Try and be virtuous, you don't need to go full no sex till marriage, but make a point to let the woman know the relationship and the synergy between the two of you comes before everything. If sex is the main desire, you WILL be left dissapointed, and if you end up falling for her, which can happen easily (women are good at manipulation ) it'll be that much worse. Just let her know how much more important a stable and satisfying RELATIONSHIP is to you than simply getting laid. And hell, there is a decent possibility that the girl you meet will be shocked by that response, considering she's probably never heard that in her life, that her respect for you may increase and make you come off even more desirable. That's part of that "molding" anons were talking about. Shape those ideas, and don't be a dick about it but almost give a hint of displeasure with the fact that she was so readily eager to get pumped and dumped. Let her know, subtly, that THAT is a very undesirable quality. Good luck boys, may you find the women we deserve. P.s. fuck incels. Been seeing those threads lately, those faggots are miserably lost, and I hope none of you let yourselves be discouraged THAT much you become MGTOW and give women a reason to hate non-chads
The policy of National Socialist Germany didn't bother or interfere in people's private sex lives. That was their own business (excepting cases of miscegenation or anything else that violated the Nuremberg Laws). What made radical change from the Weimar era especially in rise of birth rates were policies such as marriage loans: en.wikipedia.org
Or, perhaps, feel like us. Another way would be to see what they are seeking out privately. Erotica may be seen as degenerate, but the audience is predominantly female and trends reveal the sorts of characters/situations they fantasize about for real rather than what they say for social approval.
Thanks for posting these. I remember reading them before.
A very interesting way for otherwise useless bureaucrats to actually do something useful. I believe a Japanese island had the same effect recently with their birth rates due to a similar trick: economist.com
So, lots of the talk in this thread has been about how anons can get into good and healthy relationships themselves, which is great and as many anons pointed out the ultimate way that society is changed for the better. I would argue that it is so because displaying a healthy, happy relationship shows a desirable norm that entices people to want the same, and that Romantic Ideal can be accomplished in more than one way.
>Romantic or even erotic depictions of exciting virtuous sexuality particularly potent since most romance and erotica writers are hacks
At least that comes to mind immediately. The goal is to plant the sorts of ideas we're discussing into the minds of a wider audience. It's amusing how virtuous sexuality or its results, particularly when arousing or beautiful in its own right, makes degenerates flip out. There were small campaigns here months ago with lovely white mothers with children or pregnant and so on that were riling up degenerate hives. I should have saved some of the pictures from them.
Only feminists and faggots (same thing if they're male feminists) call sex degenerate. You're part of the problem and need to be eliminated.
Sex itself is not degenerate. Simply put, sex is for procreation, and some recreation with your wife or long term partner. The degenercy were talking about is being promiscuous and slutty, men and women both. Fucking purely for recreation out of boredom and a lack of respect for the sanctity of strong relationships is degenerate, which is what we are discussing. Read the thread and also lurk more before posting.
Saying "sex is only for procreation" is degenerate. You're basically a faggot who would only tolerate fucking a girl so that you can make yourself a child that you will blue-pill and probably abuse if its a boy.
This disagreement right here is something Zig Forums should hash out in full. Both of you simply state your positions without backing up, with any form of evidence or argument, that sex outside of procreation is degenerate or not. That's not enough. We've got our working definition of degeneracy for this thread which seems to be working for everyone right here:
And in this post I mentioned some biological reasons why sex outside of mere procreation or recreation would be something humans would and should engage in plus my argument is blessed with dubs. There is likely a moderation point at play where too much of a good thing can become bad, and there are certainly some kinds of sexual practice that are in themselves degenerate that should be avoided in basically all relationships (like actual cuckolding or adultery). But I am strongly against the idea that sex between pair bonded individuals should be simply for procreation and mild recreation. It should be a healthy fit of their two personalities and bodies, which is against both the frigid sexual ideal and degenerate overindulgence. Either of those ends leads to a frustrated and degenerating society.
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What you're describing is Celibacy, which is not what I was trying to get at with veneration of virginity. In society today, being a virgin as a teenager and young adult is seen as pathetic and undesirable in and of itself. Whereas if you fuck around you're congratulated and praised. This may not be so big of a deal for men as it is for women, but it is still not a recipe for societal success as has been expounded on in this thread. Rather virginity is a precious thing because it demonstrably leads to better outcomes for the future relationship, at least female virginity does for sure. Eventually virginity is given to a worthy mate, and seems to lead to socially uplifting outcomes.
>pic related ignore the Christian sentiments if it bothers you.
Celibacy, by the way, seems to me to be rather unnatural and obviously unsustainable. Maybe there is a social function to having some people isolate themselves from reproductive success, but usually it is higher IQ people historically that do that like monks or imageboard wizards, and only in some circumstances. It is not something to be promoted in healthy individuals. Virginity however can be seen as an asset rather than a liability without causing everyone to become celibate.
You're retarded and illiterate.
"Simply put, sex is for procreation, and some recreation with your wife or long term partner. "
work on your reading comprehension, brainlet.
I'm struggling to tell whether certain folks ITT are hopeless fucking morons, or just paid off.
Is this Hades stealing Hera Or whateve5r her name was? Not sure how this relates to point.
It's the Rape of Persephone, when Hades kidnapped Persephone (daughter of Demeter) and brought her back to the underworld as his Queen. It's a lovely statue which is why I posted it mainly, but it's also a variant of the Beauty and Beast story.
The whole story is in part accepting their roles changing from girls to women and women letting their children go, however painful such changes in the feminine life may be. Persephone is busy picking flowers when Hades comes out of the ground and uproots her in turn and drags her to his domain that is completely foreign to her, as a carefree girl who is claimed by a man would always have her girlish existence shattered by a new life as a wife. Demeter has a whole episode at being bereft of her daughter where she almost kills humanity in her insensible grief at losing her little girl, but eventually both women come to terms with the situation and settle into the (literal) seasonality of feminine life. It's a bittersweet story.
There's a lot of meaning packed into mythologies like that. Hence why a good romance mythos is vital to people acting properly.
So why do they dress provocatively even on public places?
Resources. Namely in male attention and female hierarchy. Women are particularly conscious of their social surroundings, and they desperately want to walk a line between being accepted for social protections and standing out for social benefits. If they believe dressing provocatively will gain them acceptance, they will then focus on it in order to rank highly in the female dominance hierarchy and hopefully therefore get male attention and resources.
In the stable system of many Western cultures, men will set the standards of what is acceptable dress and behavior because they make the rules. Women, looking around them for social proof, tend to pick up on the fashions of where they are and adopt them with their own creative flairs to fit in but also stand out. The attention and acceptance of men secretly or overtly gives them value and positive emotions. In our fallen cultural situations however where 'slut shaming' is a thing and men are told to hedonistically enjoy whorish behavior, women respond in kind and also allow themselves to act out their impulses to dress particularly provocatively in an attempt to fit in and gain the approval of high-value men.
Wrong. Slippery slope. Sex that involves fetishes like BDSM and such imply bad mental health. Fetishism is still mental deviation and thus wrong.
Also OP is approaching the whole issue from the wrong angle. Women are inherently without morals, they do not give a fuck about romance.
I like how Greeks, Romans or literally all other ancient civilizations were according to semitic abrahamic religions sodomites, but they still managed to have stable relationships.
Greek doctors recommended that husbands sleep with their wives at least every two weeks so the vagina doesn't dry up. They were more right than they knew.
Degenerate subhuman scum. You will never learn or teach better.
Here's an interesting reflection on the tamed man\warrior dichotomy.
Those who cannot control women are inherently going to be at a disadvantage most societies strive on the relationship between women and men and if that relationship is disrupted in anyway shape and form then society begins to decline and more degeneracy begins popping up however there is a fine line between being in control and being abusive if one is in control he doesn't have to abuse his wife in order to get her to do things for him. Meanwhile if one is abusive it could have serious consequences on the relationship and begins to crumble we are also seeing this in modern day as there are plenty of abusive relationships because men are afraid of women destroying their livelihood so they resort to violence in order to maintain dominance.
I don´t know why humans with end of antiquity associated sex for pleasure with having stable relationship. There is difference between it.
>Zig Forums, lets talk about romance. How do we make virtue more exciting than degenerate sex? Because if white people keep getting this wrong, as they increasingly have thanks to (((certain influences))), the population will decline and the robustness of the family and individual will as well.
Stopped reading there. Who the fuck cares if "the population and the robustness of the family" declines? Maybe we're actually in agreement here but the words you're using mean something different to me?
Also are you really assuming, generally, that aspies on Zig Forums know anything about relationships: sexual or otherwise?
There's also a difference between discipline and abuse. The occasional backhand is not abuse. The guy who comes home from work and punches his wife around, (respek muh athoritay!) when she doesn't have the dishes washed is straight up abusing her.
Fun fact, 90% of police officers are wife/husband beaters because asspies like us won't respect their authoritay!
What is the mechanism, specific or general, in the various fetishes and paraphilias that creates degenerate results? And, if that is to be determined, do ALL such sexual interests fall under that broad classification? I have a suspicion that there is a quality that creates the degeneracy of certain forms of these paraphilias, a principle form being degradation, that may be either inherent in certain practices or something that could be separated from others. But that's a bit outside of the scope of a discussion on romance I think.
I kindly refer to the entire Romance industry's main consumer class women as refutation of this claim. You can argue that women approach romance differently and unsavory ways when contrasted with the masculine approach perhaps, but they are extremely interested in a good romance - perhaps even more than most men.
They considered all goyim to be dirty beasts while ritually defiling their own offspring. Nietzsche was right in saying their entire morality is a process of taking the natural and turning it upside down.
That's a fascinating essay. I don't entirely agree though. It isn't the combination of the feminine with the masculine to produce an ideal Knight, but rather the combining of the brutal animal with some spark of moral divinity to produce a truly virtuous man. I think the romantic knight version is great for bringing together a female and male romantic fantasy, but I don't think C. S. Lewis had the recipe quite right… Still a great essay.
That's the importance of a cultural romance in a nutshell - if it isn't right, it forms false or bad expectations and behaviors that rip down the very foundations of a society. If a marriage can deteriorate based solely on bad sex which is often the case, then what happens when you replicate that breakdown across millions of people in that society?
See the above. The family unit is the atomic unit of civilization. From it arises most if not all of the benefits of a virtuous society, such as providing to nearly every member a respite, a camp, a direct meaning to life, and a perspective on the future. If that is damaged, such as believing divorce is fine and dandy or that one can fuck around on their partner or any number of (((influences))) are adopted, that unit breaks down and damages the whole system. When you break down the atom in physical reality you release a tremendous amount of energy in all directions, most of them highly dangerous.
Are you assuming every single poster on a thread like this has nothing of value to contribute to the idea? Zig Forums may not be big on discussions of romance and sexuality /monster/ might actually provide the consummate romantic's view on the matter for instance, but there are still valuable insights here that can offer some pieces to the puzzle.
smells like incels itt
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This would be my wife. I speculate that it is an attempt to entice the man to avoid upgrading to a younger, unfertilized woman.
Hey there, rabbi.
Me too brother, me too. Stay strong, I hope you eventually find a good one.
What example? Where is this standard? How is it set? Shall you be leading this example for years while slogging through the desert, deprived of 'good women?' Will others see your celibate example as a virtue? No, they will ridicule you. See current threads on 'incels' for proof. Also, personal experience says that even as a young man in a 'christian' environment, you will be ridiculed. One who is the subject of ridicule does not change the world through example, as the world sees that example as ridiculous.
Again, who sets that standard? What compels women to want men who exemplify this standard? Why would a woman, an inherently corrupt being, be good in a world that rewards her in every way for not being so?
Whores are nothing but cum dumpsters for degenerate scum. To have sex with that cum dumpster is to your own detriment. (note that I'm not disagreeing with you on any of this, I am pointing out the difficulties with your ideas, and in some cases, their solutions)
This is only true if you've already found a 'good woman.' I myself am married, and my wife and I have a profound affect on all those who know us. Some are jealous, some are inspired, some are enraged. If you have not yet found that 'good woman,' then you face the incel problem.
Yep, exactly.
Thank the boomers, kikes, and women.
You are part right. In a society that has been repaired, the women should be in this role. The men, however, should not be celibate to honor the woman. He should be celibate to honor himself, and to protect himself from the harlots who prey on men. I've known many men who would cite women as their biggest weakness, and as the reason for many of their problems. Some were led into, and back into, heavy drug use by women seeking pleasure. Others lives were derailed by the 'wrong' woman, in a variety of ways. I imagine the mgtow faggots could expand on this point nicely. If you are celibate, and are hoping to find a woman who is 'worthy' by virtue of also being celibate, in this society, then you are chasing such a small percent of the population that for the vast majority of men, this is an utterly unobtainable goal.
Hell yes. Bring back arranged marriages. Dating is a system invented by the same types of ugly cunts that swell the ranks of the feminists.
Think about this, in what cultures are these problems solved? "Traditional" Christianity supplied this for the Western world, Religion of Cuck™ for the sand niggers, and who, or what, else? It follows to reason then, that religion is a necessary component of society. It provides that example to follow. It teaches those without fathers, or worthy fathers, what virtue is. It provides a system of control for women, to ensure that men do find women who aren't violated by legions of mongrels. Modern christianity, with their bulldyke 'preachers', faggots, and kike worship, is an abomination. The Word of God cannot be dumbed down to reach the masses, or to appeal to a broader audience. It is to be taken exactly as it was intended, with all the difficulty intact. There is no "let's play" mode. Further, the 'pagan' religions, including greek, roman, and norse mythologies, all promote promiscuity and sexual perversion. Norse, for example, has Freya out fucking the masses. Odin's horse, Sleipnir, is created when Loki shapeshifts into a mare (female horse) and is impregnated by the stallion of a giant. So Loki, then, is a transgender, trans-species, bestiality enjoying faggot. I should think that there is no need for me to explain why Religion of Cuck™ is shit on this board. Instead, look at what Christianity has given us: Western civilization. Is it any wonder why the kikes have worked so tirelessly to undermine it? Look up the "Iron Guard," a relatively weak political movement in Romania in the early 1900s that ran three different death squads effecting political change and siezed power in the country, all while hunting jews. Compare that to the Tuetonic Order, knights crusading all over the world for the better part of a millenium. The morality of true Christianity, backed by a National Socialist government, is truly the silver bullet for all the world's evil. They complement each other and work together to reinforce such important concepts as purity of mind, body, and spirit.
Excellent post.
The reality is that there aren't enough 'good women' to go around. Therefore, it falls on the men of this generation to halt the kikeward spiral of civilization and essentially 'take one for the team.' There are a lot of women who have fallen for kike propaganda that could still be salvaged. Were I looking for a woman, the are only two cases that would be an immediate and irreversable 'no.' Coal burners. Those cunts have to pay the toll. I wouldn't be able to justify the effort required to rehabilitate a woman who had done something that I find so revolting. The other would be women who have had an abortion, simply because I wouldn't be able to trust that she would never abort one of mine. The real problem, is that whites are not allowed to congregate in pro-white groups. Such a group would provide a fertile environment to find like minded women. (While I agree that church is a better place to look than a bar, there's a lot more 'judeo-christian' churches than Christian churches, at least in my experience.)
They are interested in wish fulfillment fantasies. Notice that in these kinds of stories the woman never does anything to actually engage the man, it's always a hunky educated rich guy sweeping the unremarkable average girl off her feet.
A big part of the problem is that people have been programmed not to plan at all let alone plan for family or future. you are taught that you will find love that it just happens and could be with anybody so you must of course try everybody until you find the lego that clicks.
This is, empiraclly, horseshit. Arranged marriages are an order of magnitude more beneficial to all parties and the society that hosts them than this random hook up till you fuck up MO the world is currently running with.
Women especially I have found do not plan for a future or family, they do not worry about having kids with multiple fathers because she does not need a man the gov fills that role.
I'm right at 40, been married to the same girl since highschool, we never planned shit and its a miracle we made it this far. I never thought "that is the best available mate there, we will make strong healthy children" and then set out to get her.
I thought "she was pretty, and rumors say her standards are lower than you would expect so maybe I've got a shot."
We were 22 or so when we had our first son, he was planned, she decided she wanted to have a baby and we actually had to work to make that one because years of birth control pills were at that time still inhibiting her normal function despite not taking them for 5 years. After testing my sperm they decided the problem was her and after a weak of some pills bam, preggors.
After the first boy, a second 5 years later, then 5 years after that a girl and a boy almost back to back.
Its been a ride, chaos, we've surfed a wave of chaos to amazingly land at this point. The whole time my insanity getting worse each year, I used to be so staunchly anti-gov, something was evil and it commanded the gov…then i was sure it was satanists…for a while i thought aliens secretly ruled things…..turns out its true, but they are jews not martians.
The importance of planning for a future, what kind of society will you have, what kind of familys will make that possible…i suggest focus peoples attention there.
When i sat down about 6months back with a young girl at work who was whining about work sucking, I asked her about this, about her future, was she gonna die a cat lady, would she have a man and kids, or just kids with several men who pay childsupport, who will take care of her when she is old, pointed out that nature says its not her place to work except in making new people who are the kind of people we want to hand our nukes to when we die.
She quit a week later became a stay at home type for another guy that worked there, one of the ugliest and most hopeless yet skilled and reliable even, raising his daughter by another woman…and now she is happy. Everytime i check back still happy. Just shortly after telling me all about the patriarchy, ten minutes of pondering the future changed her profoundly. and the guy, great guy really, but she if far above him in physical beauty i think, out of his league entirely…but she settled and happily so, all it took was thought of her mother…house to house, whore here whore there, different sugar daddy every week…no prospects, constant need of help to move everytime she gets a new man.
We have been bred to ignore the future, bring it back into focus and those with sufficient instinct may change, if not, maybe they wasn't meant to procreate.
Pick one you rambling motherfucker.
hopeless with girls, skilled at his job and reliably shows up lol listen it helps to hold a glass of bourbon up to the screen and read my typings through that works a lot like a decoder ring
Kindly put down the hooch and head back to the_donald, you drunk fuck.
That's exactly what it is. We are biologically hardwired to be attracted to the opposite sex since puberty and the ideal situation would be your grandparents. Age laws in general, not just in regards to sex, should be changed and infantilisation of young adults needs to be eradicated. I will post an example next which uses scientific studies and mostly hits the nail on the head. Although I don't know why they mention tanning salons and tattoos, those are stupid.
(Part 1)
>HEM: Why do you believe that adolescence is an artificial extension of childhood?
(Part 2)
>What are some likely consequences of extending one's childhood?
>How is adolescent behavior shaped by societal strictures?
>You believe in the inherent competence of teens. What's your evidence?
>If teens are so competent, why do they not show it?
>Do you believe that young people are capable of maintaining long-term relationships and capable of moral reasoning?
>What's the worst part of the current way we treat teens?
>What can be done?
(Part 5)
>Are you saying that teens should have more freedom?
>1600s
>1641 Massachusetts law prohibits people under 16 from "smiting" their parents
>1800s
>1836 Massachusetts passes first law requiring minimal schooling for people under 15 working in factories
>1848 Pennsylvania sets 12 as minimum work age for some jobs
>1852 Massachusetts passes first universal compulsory education law in U.S., requires three months of schooling for all young people ages 8-14
>1880s Some states pass laws restricting various behaviors by young people: smoking, singing on the streets, prostitution, "incorrigible" behavior
>1881 American Federation of Labor calls on states to ban people under 14 from working
>1898 World's first juvenile court established in Illinois—constitutional rights of minors effectively taken away
>1900s
>1903 Illinois requires school attendance and restricts youth labor
>1918 All states have compulsory education laws in place
>1933 First federal law restricting drinking by young people
>1936 & 1938 First successful federal laws restricting labor by young people, establishing 16 and 18 as minimum ages for work; still in effect
>1940 Most states have laws in place restricting driving by people under 16
>1968 Supreme Court upholds states' right to prohibit sale of obscene materials to minors
>1968 Movie rating system established to restrict young people from certain films
>1970s Supreme Court upholds laws restricting young women's right to abortion
>1970s Dramatic increase in involuntary electroshock therapy (ECT) of teens
>1980s Many cities and states pass laws restricting teens' access to arcades and other places of amusement; Supreme Court upholds such laws in 1989
>1980s Courts uphold states' right to prohibit sale of lottery tickets to minors
>1980 to 1998 Rate of involuntary commitment of minors to mental institutions increases 300-400 percent
>1984 First national law effectively raising drinking age to 21
>1988 Supreme Court denies freedom of press to school newspapers
>1989 Missouri court upholds schools' right to prohibit dancing
>1989 Court rules school in Florida can ban salacious works by Chaucer and Aristophanes
>1990s Curfew laws for young people sweep cities and states
>1990s Dramatic increase in use of security systems in schools
>1992 Federal law prohibits sale of tobacco products to minors
>1997 New federal law makes easier involuntary commitment of teens