Subversion - what it is, how to fight it

For those of you living in a hole the past 24 hours, Zig Forums was recently taken away from some shitty mods. Interestingly, almost immediately after, we're seeing an influx of threads that seem a little too conveniently placed.

They're made and maintained in such a way as to give a sense that there's a presence of unwanted and malformed content due to the lack of previous moderation, but don't be fooled - none of it is organic. It is, in fact, made by the very circlejerk that owned Zig Forums before. Because these tactics are tried-and-true - they are called

SUBVERSION

So let's talk about subversion. Let's talk about how to fight it here, in our local communities, and beyond. It's a very real, very effective tactic that is employed very frequently. In order to fight for what is right, it is always necessary to be able to fight the subversive tactics of the enemy. So how do you fight subversion, Zig Forums? What tactics do you personally employ in order to ward off this political poison?

Can't fucking ban me for talking about it this time, you cunts. Get fucked.

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Shut the fuck up nigger

sup turkroach

BUMP

That's not even true, as it stands Zig Forums has no moderation. Which lead to people such as those who used freech on autistic shitposting under the guise of free speech. Fucked if you have mods because of draconian powertripping, fucked if you don't because conversation disruption becomes the norm.

Nevermind the first part, I read it as by, not from. Yeah mods were shitty.

reminder to not respond to shit threads and to filter them

the mods were utter kike faggots

look at this

bump

its really pathetic, what the fuck is he going to accomplish? nothing, kikey and his ilk will kill themselves.

BUMP

Tbf the mods were killing discussion as bad as the spam.

Its obviously him and his lackeys. In that commie thread OP created he even admitted to posting it as a bait thread while going "missed the baste mods yet"?

STEP 1: IDENTIFYING SUBVERSION

Firstly, let us discuss exactly what subversion is. The first webm in OP does a pretty good job at explaining it within the context of communism (a huge example of the tactic being used on a worldwide scale), but is a bit lengthy and still tied to the context.

In short, subversion is a tactic of replacing an existing power structure with another one without anyone else knowing that it is happening. There are, of course, many particular ways in which to accomplish this - but the ultimate goal is the same. Take that which is, and turn it into that which is not, without alarm. The motives don't matter, the exact methods don't matter - they can be interchanged freely, with varying degrees of success. A common metaphor used to educate on this tactic is "to boil the frog slowly". Subversion, as it is, must be done without raising suspicion.

So, what are some common ways to identify subversion? It's naturally a bit difficult, as the goal is to remain unseen. One way to identify it, as Uncle Yuri explained, is recognizing the demoralization process. If you see a massive effort to utterly demoralize and disenfranchise your community, this is likely a part of the subversion process. This is often done slowly and over time, with effort from above (so, those already in power or those attempting to gain power) and below (those unwittingly following in conjunction). In the particular context of chan boards, this is as simple as the mods and the anons - but don't get hung up on the particulars. The methodology isn't always going to be the same.

Next, we can look at what can be referred to as intentional oversaturation. This is when one uses a particular phrase or promotes a certain viewpoint to such excess that the consumer (be it viewer, reader, etc) becomes turned away instead of attracted to it. This is deliberately designed as an effort to further demoralize by means of reduction, and is often very effective if one is unaware of its intentional use. The tricky aspect of intentional oversaturation is the difficulty of distinguishing it from legitimate passion - it almost seems to be one and the same, but a usual give away is repetition. Users of this tactic don't truly love what they're doing, so they resort to laziness and copy-pasting as much as they can.

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Meant "linked to".

this is described in the sticky read me. sage is very effective and dont forget to do once you see the obvious threads.
coincedentally, I have to sage this very thread, because the art of subversion should be something that is actively subverted against.
also im autistic

OK, bump.

That's exactly what this whole thread is for. "Conversational disruption" is another method of subversion, and it's probably the most prevalent one here.


They're not very good at the subversion thing, which leads me to believe they're not an alphabet soup organization - just a bunch of bored, depressed, nihilistic trolls gathered in IRC or discord and circlejerking over their "accomplishments". At this point, I'm very aware that it's not "just kampfy", but I love how triggered the cunts get whenever you refer to all of them as kampfy. They out themselves like a jew who's referred to as white when it's not convenient for them.

It's as if a horde of zombies were piled up against the village wall, that was just opened, from inside.

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Zig Forums was subverted during the elections and it made us hate our most important users: esoteric hispanics in the US

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And here is again.

Yep, I like how these faggots think this will somehow make it stop.
Keep crying kike, "drumpf" is just getting started

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There is a "filter by ID" option. Use it, and instruct others to do so as well. problem solved


At least three of those threads are imkikey himself going full autismo in order to "prove" that he was "the only one protecting Zig Forums from le boogeyman shill menace." Zig Forums never had a problem protecting itself from shills before the insanity, and it won't now.

FOR NEWFAGS -=- READ UP
oldie but goodie: cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

STEP 1: IDENTIFYING SUBVERSION (continued)

Another method that's popularly employed is reductive radicalization. By arbitrarily creating supposed tenants of what is "good" and "right", the subverter is doubly implying - and indeed, makes sure it is inferred - that anything which opposes these tenants is seen as radical. They're quick to pass along the blame of failure to achieve this supposed goodness, and use a form of kafkatrapping to further cement opposition as radical.

The words, of course, may very well change. For example, the Zig Forums moderation of olde had used this very method, but instead would refer to any opposition as
etc.

Interestingly, this exact methodology can be combined with the intentional oversaturation method to create two radicalized portions within a community. One which is directly controlled, and is intentionally radical, but is the "status quo", and the other is unintentionally created by unwitting hands as opposition to the initial radical portion. This creates an interesting false dichotomy of radicalized ideologies, which is further cemented by the "black or white" fallacy. If you don't fall into the status quo, you must fall into its opposition - even though both options are terrible. Think of kampfy/pol/ vs Zig Forums as a prime example. Or current day American politics.

These are just some of the methods, of course, but you're likely to see these first. When you start to see all of these being employed, it's time to act.

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Remember anons:


100,000 pre-pubescent white girls have been gangraped and tortured by Arabs.


White Farmers are being butchered and their land stolen by non-native black Bantu invaders.

IT WILL HAPPEN HERE TOO

…unless we do something to stop it.

Stop falling for the D&C, stop arguing bullshit theoretical trivialities.

Redpill. Redpill yourself. Redpill others. Self improve, but a gun, have some babies.

We are at war with jews and foreign invaders. We can't wait for Hitler, the Hitler is us and the war is now. We fight it with redpills and birthrates. Hitler is in our blood.

When shills flood the board, sage and report. Do not bump the threads. Tell the mods and say nothing. When shitposters post, do not get assmad. Post redpills and sage and report.

This whole board went to shit. For God's sake, there's a lefty "meme" thread up unironically.

Pretty sure we were just fine not pressing the autists buttons on Trump before and we could actually viably oppose kikes. Now you have cuckchan.

STEP 2: WITHSTANDING SUBVERSION
Subversion is particularly deadly because it can't be directly fought. Rather than trying to stop a man with a hammer trying to break down a wall of bricks, you have to stop somebody from removing' the wall brick-by-brick when you're not looking. The key part here is when you're not looking''.

The first thing you must do is be vigilant. This seems like such an obvious statement, but it is absolutely true. Look for patterns, look for repetition - knowing the methods one will employ for subversion will help you in passively identifying this kind of attempt at a glance. Remember, these "people" use subversion because they lack conventional power. They cannot use conventional methods of violence (yet). Therefore, their methods always revolve around their victims not being aware of their actions. The knife that cannot be thrust into your heart will instead find its way into your back, should it be turned.

Next, you must stand strong - promote something that is truly good. It doesn't have to be anything specific - but you must promote and give strength to something which you believe to truly be righteous and good, with full awareness that you are being subverted. Think of it like maintaining a wall that is crumbling under the efforts of the thief stealing its bricks. As one user put it, you must be excellent, and inspire excellency.

More than just simply "doing good things", however, is consistency. Retain a proper sense of what you are doing, and inspire your community to do the same. Chaos is often a major symptom of subversion, and order is the antithesis of this. Have regular, habitual, or even ritual acts that can maintain a sense of community. Remember, kampfy and his cohorts banned these.

Lastly, you must not waiver in your fight against the saboteur. Their numbers are few. If they had many, they would not need to rely on subversion. Take the fight to them - make as much effort to remove that which is attempting to remove YOU. However, this must be done privately. Don't make a show about it - never boast about what may seem to others as a snipe hunt. Think of it as somebody who wants to murder you trying to enter your home. Instead of letting them run away by alerting them you know they're there, lull them into a false sense of security. If they are able to get away when you are looking, they will be more careful and will come around when you are not looking. Don't let them know you're onto them. Take action, and make it as swift as possible.

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Literal astroturfing. They're pretending to be "unironically supporting leftism" so they can turn around (under different ID's) and say "SEE THIS IS WHY WE NEED KAMPFY/OLD MODS BACK" to garner support

but you should know this by now, shouldn't you?

here's some subversion for you.

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>oldie but goodie: cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
EXACTLY FUCKING THIS

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The sockpuppets will die down when they realize that the core userbase doesn't fall for their (((tricks))) and he eats a bulletI expect the stream to be up Tuesday

This needs to be bumped more often. I am seeing threads like "HWNDU", "Anime is not an artform", "There is nothing wrong with being a Jew", a libertarian general, two communism generals and a fucking Bernie general. All of the posters are cuckchan-tier.

This is either spam raids from cuckchan, /b/, /tv/, and Zig Forums or imkampfy putting up all of the threads in quick succession so we can beg for him to come back.