WWII Thread

Since it won't be a Turkroach sponsored circlejerk and we can actually have differing opinions, let's discuss World War 2.
Were Germans the real niggers for invading Poland and conquering different countries such as Czechoslovakia?
Would things be better had Hitler not invaded neighboring countries and instead focus primarily on making Germany prosper even more?
Why was Italy so useless?
Did Bomber Harris do anything wrong?

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The axis was doomed from the start and hopelessly out manned from day 1

I meant to link this video, but the primary reason for defeat is the lack of oil. German had trucks, tanks, bomber, fighters, the whole nine-yards, but lacked oil. Thus they couldn't use hardly any of it and relied on horses for a lot of their logistics.

If i can discuss this, i have a single and simple question. Try to answer it from an objective perspective:
Was invading / retaking Poland, a bad decision taken by the natsoc germans?
Would WW2 have been averted, or at least delayed a few years, if not for this?

Take into account that germans were researching for atomic bombs, so if they have had gained a few years, it would have literally turned the tables in the upcoming war.

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I think so. Knowing when to restrain yourself is just as important as knowing when to strike. Hell you could go a step farther and question whether invading all the other countries prior to Poland was a good idea. Imagine what the outcome would've been had Germany been rather Isolationist in military terms, similar to the US. Granted I don't know how well that would've worked considering the US is across the Atlantic, it's only neighbors being the canucks to the north and the Mexicans to the South, and not the powderkeg that is the entirety of Europe.

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Yeah, it was not like the german minorities in the pre WW1 german territories in Poland were getting persecuted by the polish state. If you're running an ethnonationalist state, you kind of have to resolve that. Diplomatic actions failed, and the rest is history.

nigger try to understand a few important driving forces as to why Hitler did what he did in the east. Poland was killing swarths of ethnic germans & refused to stop

No.
No. Poland (at Britain's behest) was already drawing up plans for the invasion of Nazi Germany. And Stalin was planning to invade all of Europe. Averted, no. Delayed, barely. And the communists would have won even harder.

All none of them, you mean. You're fucking retarded.

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So no, you know nothing about the leadup to WWII and are mentally fucking disabled. Got it.

no he's right. you are retarded. Lithuania was not Germanys concern until later in the war and regaining german parts of Czechoslovakia was a diplomatic process

The Ethnic-German parts of Czechoslovakia were peacefully acquired through the Munich Pact, yes, however Bohemia and Moravia were not.

I see nothing wrong with acquiring the ethnic parts of Czechoslovakia, and eliminating the country itself was justified, the less enemies you face on your border the better.
They forced Lithuania to secede the Memel region which voted with overwhelming majority National Socialist, was also mostly ethnically german and had been part of the Reich before.
Lithuania was invaded by Soviet Russia, and the Germans were welcomed as liberators by the Lithuanians during their march through the country as part of Operation Barbarossa.

Some user on here a while back explained they lost because their communications were deciphered fairly on and even despite this they still had a 3/1 K/D ratio

Oh yea, make no mistake is that I'm not necessarily saying that all these decisions are bad, but moreso pondering what-if scenarios on what could've happen hindsight is 20/20.
The re-acquisition of the Sudetenland was done peacefully and diplomatically, and there was nothing wrong in that decision, however invading the rest of Czechoslovakia didn't win Hitler any favors diplomatically with other countries.

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Irving's Hitler's war should be required reading to be able to post in this thread.

I've never really agreed with a common thing that I see here which is anons getting pissy with the average solider for the Allies and how they're "traitors". WW2 was such a different time, information was so much slower to pass through to people and trust in what the government was such much higher. I just can't get mad at some farm boy from some place in rural Texas or Virginia -who barely has a high school education (if that) who hears that his country has been attacked and that Europe is being taken over- and decides to go off to fight, see the world and serve his country. Sure, I'd bet that 95% of them would be appalled to see what has happened to their countries and I bet a large percentage of them would have likely supported the other side as a result but looking at their perspective through a 21st century POV has always seemed silly.

I don't see anyone here getting pissy over the average american, brit or frenchman, it's why the entire war is such a tragedy, men of all ages and countries forced to fight eachother so the kikes can use them in their twisted game and win.

You know what. Read Hitler's revolution. It has a lot of great info on the pre-war situation with Germany's neighbouring countries.

Hitler spread his army too thin trying to invade the Soviet border. Not to mention all the men and materials he wasted in Norway. Watching the documentary series Nazi Mega Weapons (or Mega Structures) and you'll be like wow Nazis were amazing engineers but Hitler was a moron for building shit in all the wrong places. The amount of concrete he wasted in Norway that was never fired upon is insane.

I don't mean in this thread but I've seen those sentiments posted here a ton of times.

Why the fuck did Hitler allow the Brits at Dunkirk to escape? Had he got them, the Brits would have been done. If it's because he wanted peace with Britain, Hitler was a weak leader.

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You almost sound like that spammer that kept making those "Germans are the real jews!" threads.

I have the biggest folder.

prove me wrong

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Their military was weakened from Mussolini's previous campaigns. He asked Hitler to hold off for a few years while he rebuilt it, but Hitler ignored him and started invading other countries anyway. Mussolini was pissed that Hitler didn't consult him before invading, so he invaded Greece without consulting Hitler just to get back at him.

Same thing happened with German minorities in Tyrol, Italy, yet Hitler didn't do anything.

It was a reaction to what was planned and what ended up happening.
Hans von Seeckt, 1922

Eh, kind of. The Engima was cracked many times, but it had updates and wasn't consistently broken till about 1943. Even then, the Kriegsmarine never really had the levels of infiltration of their encryption the way that the Wehrmacht did.

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No. Hitler loved Poland's leader and there was no animosity with the poles beyond restoring German lands. Shit from 1922 has nothing to do with Nazi Germany or Hitler's plans. He wanted an alliance with Poland to attack the USSR.

Which wasn't going to happen under any condition. He only liked Piłsudski to buy Germany more time, Haller wanted to invade straight away, in 1936 where we could've done some serious, serious damage, in reaction to the German nation rearming the Rhine and threatening France but Hitlers pandering ended up swaying Piłsudski, so he refused, believing there could be peace.
He wanted to bleed us out, for one, because the USSR offered to invade Germany with us, and secondly, because the Weimar government pior offered to recognize us if we (attempt) to liberate Estonia (with Germany) and Ukraine (alone), the very event that sparked off the Polish-Soviet war, the goal of the Weimar government was for us to loose so that they could annex us without repercussions (this is also why they pressured the Czechoslovaks to block Hungarian reinforcements for us); the NatSoc German government hoped we would loose this time so that they could continue their ambition without looking bad (if we lost) while making us look like the aggressors. The Germans were very good at engineering wars to achieve what they want.

Ambassador to England, Joe Kennedy, said Churchill wanted London to be bombed, and he had warned that he would engage in false flag attacks to provoke the war.

Actor, Norman Shelley, was giving speeches, not Churchill. He was a double with a clearer voice. Churchill was always drunk and would slur his words, so they needed an actor.

NYT suppressed it and received Pulitzer Prize for the false journalism on the area deliberately meant to suppress the genocide. USA would've never allied with Stalin in WW2 if knew about the genocide. Malcolm Muggeridge reported on it and suggested that the NYT should get all its Pulitzer prizes revoked because it was a malevolent organization. Gareth Jones also reported on the genocide.

Dachau - fake gas chamber was constructed by CD Jackson and Hollywood directors. The films were made by Alfred Hitchcock and Billy Wilder. Bulldozed bodies were bombing victims. Nuremberg Trials were designed by Murray Bernays, the nephew of Edward Bernays, to give the impression of a trial despite the defendants not being allowed to present evidence in their defense. The Red Cross estimated only 100,000 dead kikes.

Hitler supported Poland, but their government was antagonistic against the Germans, so he was left with no options. The previous government would have joined the Axis Powers.

Churchill became an MP in 1940, when England had already declared war on Germany. Before that, he was effectively a nobody, his opinion didn't matter. England carried out a more than lenient policy forwards Germany: not only did they campaign for Germany to keep Silesia prior to the wars brake out, but they recognized all of Germany's further territorial gains, going as far as to offer them their past colonial possessions (such as Namibia) if they stopped at that.
Its ~200 000, and it only accounts for those dug up or found, the rest were cremated to combat thypus and get rid of disease, not counting others in Western concentration camps or massacres, that, per Germanys own law, still count as a causality in the "holocaust" as the term envelopes all that happened against the jewish people on occupied territory.

Not a chance.

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On the day of the larp, people like you will be burned alive.

Nope. These won't stop flowing until you're all forcibly redpilled.

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The English are unironically the real Jews.

So, now that we know Hitler lost, you still think he did the right moves?
If he restrained from "invading" (rather, retaking lost territory) the places he went for pre-WW2, then the anglos would have had a harder chance at manipulating public opinion about the war.
False flags would have happened, of course, but would have they been enough to drive England into war with non-invading, non-expansionist Natsoc Germany?

My main point here is that, if WW2 would have been delayed for 2 to 5 years, Germany would have won.
Not expanding German territory would have served this purpose of not looking like the "evil menace of Europe", mainly for the Americans who don't understand anything on the other side of the world.

Knowing that Germany lost, i cannot help but think Hitler did misscalculated on the response of the allies.
Also, natsoc Germany should have created propaganda against Soviets, and distribute this to America, and so would have gained USA sympathy.

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Not an arguement. It's a silly screencap I know but tell me why he held back at Dunkirk?

Hitler needed either Britain on his side via Oswald, or a non-aggression pact with the neutral USA to win.

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He like the Brits… it was a gesture. To bad he shouldn't have thought he could make peace with Britain without Oswald in charge… the Ashkenazim elite wouldn't allow it.

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No they weren't. There are many events that could have gone differently and led to their victory. As brilliant as Hitler was, he had some key weaknesses, like his loyalty to "friends", an optimistic view of relations with Britain, and an unnecessarily brutal treatment of Slavs that contributed significantly to Germany's defeat. Disloyalty in the command structure was a major problem that cost Germany things like the capture of Soviet oil sources, and the encirclenment of Moscow (field marshalls instead chose to waste men and resources on a frontal attack on the city against Hitler's orders). The assassination attempt on Hitler that came closest to succeeding involved dozens of people in powerful positions in the Reich (most of whom were in turn executed for their betrayal).

Outside of outright sabotage was a tendency towards incompetence and corruption with misuse of resources, and mismanagement in various areas important to German victory. Goring (in charge of the Luftwaffe) frequently failed to meet deadlines, and was often found using funds for his own personal enjoyment (very common with others as well, including Goebbels).

Of course maybe there was a way to achieve propaganda victory without having gone to WW2, but even having gone to war, there's many a thing that could have been done differently to give Hitler the victory he sought.

Germany raped most of Europe in record time

And? That doesn't change the fact they were outgunned.

The war outside of Asia was basically Germany fighting
US war movies paint a picture of the plucky allies defeating an impossible enemy. The reality was the Germans fighting like hell against an almost unwinable war and almost winning.

NO MERCY EVER AGAIN

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I think its obligatory to say the least to bring up the fact that Hitler played by the rules to a tee, whilst the allied forces degenerately raped and mind fucked the german people to extinction. The carpet bombing on the scale that the allies implemented was disgusting. No matter how hitler would have played it, the jews hate the aryans, the jews had already controlled every side of the fence. No matter how put off or isolationist hitler could have been, it would never have been enough. His hatred was well placed on the jews and he did all he could, not blackpilling but we just arent mentally or dimensionally ready to take them out, we would need a fucking miracle to level the playing field. A solar flare to drop electricity and communications followed by the greatest ethnic cleansing mankind has ever seen. A complete scrubbing of the soulless pyscopathic kikes. All of which just cannot happen while they controll the five eyes, the money and oil, and undoubtably all the fucking nukes.

Also hellstorm docco - youtu.be/Ck-TEamhLBk
Already in another thread so I cannot embed

we are most certainly ready to take them out yet it has to be in simplistic terms instead of word salad the intellectuals appreciate we keep it simple for the simple minded that have no Idea how the parasite jews have fucked them until slow bread crumb red pills until they think they figured it out for themselves when we knew all along.

Stop betraying us. Please.

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Hitler allying with USSR was a big mistake, letting USSR invading Poland alone would mean that (((alies))) have obligatory to save Poland ass but of course alies wont do shit, this will force desperate Poland to seek help from Natsoc Germany and Hitler could demand Danzig in exchange. To the world Germany aiding Poland VS USSR would have a good reputation to the normies and normies will be like i want to be a fucking Fash kill all the fucking commies ,fuck those allies ,fuck my goverments leader who dint help the polish people. the kike will say to the masse oy vey goyim you gonna fight the Nathzee to save those poor commies that attack weaker country like Poland ,the people of europe, americas wont give a shit about those warmonger and wont risk theirs life for commies.

irrelevant we are faced with different circumstances than the germans as much as I appreciate knowledge of old shit I must respectfully say fuck all that lets deal with here and NOW.

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Be Poland invade Germany
Hey Germans why are you so imperialistic?

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Germany under attack
Hey Germany why don’t you consider isolationism like one of your attacker and bloodsucker?

EIN VOLK! EIN REICH!

Read the book!

The whole point of those moves was defeating communism. Hitler's main goal for WW2 was defeating communism, not Bongland. And he was willing to sacrifice his own people.
By forcing the Allies to fight on the communist side he exposed them for what they are.
And he forced Stalin to change the communist block into a pan-slavic union. "For the motherland" was a nationalistic slogan, something that was a big no no under communism.
The fact that the Eastern Block died in 89' was due to Hitler preventing the initial plans of invading Western Europe, exhausting them for the next 20 years and then locking themselves into the before mentioned pan-slavic union where they just cannibalized themselves due to True Communism.
Communism needs new victims to suck life out of.
Italians are shit fighters to begin with. The army was underequipped, badly structured and had moronic leadership. Mussolini f.e. ordered the invasion of Greece against all reason.
Yes. Not bombing the British high command for their high treason of the British people.

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I have 100s of gigabytes of WW2 content, your folder is nothing in comparison to any of mine.

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Chivalry and goodwill. If the same situation happened to France in WW1, they would be suing for peace even before the Germans stepped into the vicinity of Paris. The Allies were soundly defeated on all accounts and he gave them their army back so they wouldn't lose the colonies.
The Brits of course acted like commie jews and had no intention to sue for peace. They were in fact the first that started with the mobilization of their economy and population for total war in 1940.

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Poles were massacring Germans on purpose to drag Germany into war. Caring for ethnic Germans was perceived as Hitler's "weak point".
Italy was friendly to Germany and had no reason to do so.

Sure thing, it certainly wasn't (((them))), eh commie.

Kek user, at least show some knowledge. He was the first lord of the admiralty. Head of the British Navy,
And also the reason Norway got invaded as he fucked up. Many protested his appointment solely because of this. But he was appointed the same way that Theresa May was.

Taking out Poland was clearing the battlefield of rocks and bumps. They both knew they would be at each other's throats.
The story that Stalin was surprised is bullshit. That mass of arms on your borders isn't going to be unnoticed. Especially due to the fact that the Soviet intelligence operation put the German and Allied counterparts to shame.
What maybe surprised Stalin was the effectiveness and final reach of the German war machine. His purges were probably a big factor in all of this since you don't want to disappoint the head comrade about the bad condition of your otherwise perfect army.
But you could also argue that one of Stalin's strategies was to load Germany with so much war prisoners that the war effort suffers as a consequence.

And yet you contributed nothing to the thread.

I'll make a zip of my Uncle Adolfs and I don't have much to say other than what other anons have already pointed out and these screencaps.

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With none of todays hindsight theres 2 major ones which should have been no brainers:

1. Turning the Panzers on AG Centre axis south to Kiev and not continuing drive to Moscow. Literally no major troop formations in the way.

2. Attempting talks for a conditional surrender with Allies in August '43 or Jan '44. OR unconditional surrender in Sep '44.

Think about point 2. before you come back at me with some weak dribble about 'defeatism'.

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That was never an option, it was either Total Victory or capitulation to International Jewry which could not be tolerated.

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Propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels criticized the treatment of slavs with good reason. Germany could have entered Russia as saviors, and increased their manpower every step of the way, but instead they shit on the people that were already poorly treated by the Bolsheviks/Soviets and created another problem in what turned out to be a disastrous campaign.

Baku oilfields were in all honesty more important. Or at least cutting the railway hub(Stalingrad) to cut the oil supply off.
Moscow was important for production but that would stall if oil wasn't supplied.
It was unconditional surrender since 39' user. Conditional surrender meant Hitler would survive.

pic is FJs in 1945 being used as snipers. Interesting choice of G-43s with scopes.


Total Victory wasnt happening after Kursk and Capitulation to ZoGs happened in 1945 anyway.

With a functioning army in in 43-44 something better could have been scraped. Maybe even a Soviet defeat with allies.


Youre thinking summer offensive '42. Fall Blau. Im talking 1941 pre Kiev pocket.

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It could of if Adolf eliminated the unfaithful generals sooner, started nuclear weapons research earlier and use Chemical weapons to stop allied from getting a foothold in normandy.

Real talk time

Army group north retains panzer army 4 and pushes to encircle lake lagoda thereby isolating leningrad from supply. Reinhard and Manstein link up with the Fins instead of diverting to AG centre for OP typhoon.
Army group center drives and encircles Moscow (feasible, no mud) by not wasting time north of Kiev. Panzer army 2 & 3 can use Moscow as a safe haven during winter of 41 and rotate defensive duties as necessary. Rail gauges are convered in time to dump supply in the city.
Army group south drive to Rostov and dig in. Refiting until summer.

This kills the soviet.

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The poles murdered 70k ethnic Germans in Danzig


Hitler unified the part of Czechoslovakia inhabited by Germans into the Reich, and recognized the ethnically Czech portion as an autonomous state.


UK and France declared war on the Third Reich, not visa versa.


The Third Reich was already the most prosperous nation on earth.


Italy had no army until 1860, and was still getting their shit together. They performed as well as could possibly be expected of them considering their experience and resources.

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Italy was divided in its command structure. Mussolini had to contend with the King, which no doubt limited the effectiveness of the military. Still, Italy's defeats are embarrassing blemishes on the country's history. So many of their failures were achieved whilst having superior numbers and armaments.

Any hard proof besides hearsay and wishful thinking?
An autonomous state under german rule. A step too far after taking the sudetenland and splitting the slovaks from the czechs. Strategically sound as a way to prevent commies from using it as a springboard though.
Japan fared much better while being more backwards and having less experience fighting western armies and modernising later.

Not entierly true. Trucks were always in short supply, and mechanical losses were often higher than replacement rates. They were also outnumbered in the air 4/1, tanks 3/1.
Romanian oil was more than enough to fill the fuel tanks, but the problem was that the Soviets were far more powerful than anticipated. Guderian had convinced the OKH that there resided only 10'000 tanks across the border. The actual figure was closer to 20'000. Everything that went wrong after '41 simply has to do with the fact that the Germans miscalculated their position.

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No, the camps were not all kikes. In fact, most 'people' in them were not. By the way, we know giant crematoriums did not exist.

Notice how this kike lied about Churchill's instigation of the war against Germany. Why would he do that? Notice all the contradictions in his post. First, he makes the outlandish claim that Churchill had no power despite the facts in the post he replied to dispelled that already. Then he says England supported Germany (kikes feel the need to fully all Whites) until they suddenly declared war for no apparent reason. The kike wants you to believe this makes more sense.


This seems like the true folly.

Well, Italians by their national character were not well suited to the rigours and demands of the WW1-to-WW2 style of warfare. Individually very brave and capable, but not as disciplinable as the Japs. In modern hybrid/semi-guerilla warfare they should perform much better, IF they have good leadership.

Despite the memes, the US population were neutral until pearl harbor. The US govt was not. (Embargoes, attacking axis ships)

See this could have been a war winning move. '41 was the time to win. No shifting forces around. Especially Panzer armies. Push, push, push. Kinda what i was getting at in my posts.

Hitler was an idiot getting mad at Rundstedt. There was no incompetence on Rundstedts part. AG South hit serious opposition and was slowed down compared to the other AGs. Panzers should have stayed north and center. 2-3 months of gains were lost.

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Can you debunk this, Zig Forums?

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That is totally bullshit.
They were enemy civilians.
Being nice to the enemy is not reciprocated, see, France, Denmark, Norway.
Ukrainians didn’t turn immediately against Germany, but their retarded militant politics fucked up the hinterland of the front (murders), no occupying power can tolerate that.
Germany acting against Slavs is just retarded commie propaganda that doesn’t become truth by repeating it.
Atrocities against civilians were solely committed by NKVD special forces AKA “partisans”.

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Sure thing, it certainly wasn't (((them))), eh commie
Nope.
Effectively a nobody, because what are you and
- implying? That he false flagged the fucking Battle of London? Lol.

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>Then he says England supported Germany (kikes feel the need to fully all Whites) until they suddenly declared war for no apparent reason
Just how stupid are you?

According to legend, when Poland invaded Germany Hitler locked himself inside his room four weeks at disbelief.

Hurr Durr the war started in 1939 and everything before is IRRELEVANT REEEEEEE

So dropping a piece of land was all that it took Hitler to be baited?
Germany should have turned isolationist and not recover / """"invade"""" Poland nor any other place, for a few more years.
Why?
Because an alliance was necessary to bring the inevitable war. And Hitler didn't play well his cards. Not approaching USA (or believing it would be neutral, when Jewnited States of America was already zion-controlled) was a big mistake on his part.


Defending your people inside your borders is reasonable. Declaring war to Poland and France was not. It was badly played.
Declaring war to USA was also a big mistake.
Stop trying to paint it as Hitler did nothing wrong. If not, we wouldn't be here fighting the pharisee.
Natsoc Germany should have waited a few more years until nuclear research was done, AND until a proper alliance was held in place.
If a few more years had passed, the superior atomic bomb would have been enough deterrent to stop any jewish outside force.

Don't forget that the Manhattan Project was basically jewish ex-german traitors selling german tech to USA.
Had Hitler gassed these people, or had he somehow (by methos i already detailed in this thread) delayed WWII a few more years, the war would have been won.

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Now this is just pure retardation

I'll take David Irving's word and sources over yours.

What many people forget is that the Polacks actually did a ethnic cleansing on ethnic Germans living in Poland, of course, pushed by a (((certain agenda))) to infuriate the German People and kickstart the war.

Why did the Japs conquer Israel? What did they possibly have to gain?

USSR was without a doubt planning an attack on Germany at some point, some speculate the attack was going to take place as early as July of 1941, "Operation Thunderstorm", which was a real Soviet plan for an invasion of Germany in 1941 - for more info on this search Viktor Suvorov's book "Icebreaker", or watch this:
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Some claim up to 30 million dead for the soviets - Stalin claimed 5 million dead or missing in 1945. Actual figure is unknown, but that is probably about accurate. Early in the war it was more like 10 to 1 until the Soviets finally haulted the Germans front of moscow.

this one is bullshit - Germans had either 60 or 80 millions citizens, people in occupied territories dont really count as they didn't really fight for the Germans in the East. The most surprising aspect of the eastern front to the german soldiers and commanders was how many reserve units, even fresh armored formations the soviets seemingly pulled out of nowhere - they drafted almost every man that could walk into the army and threw them between the Germans and Moscow, so yes they had a huge advantage due to population. One interesting statistic rarely brought up is the tank losses ratio, which was normally nearly 5:1 or sometimes more, for example in 1942 the Germans destroyed 15,000 soviet tanks, and lost 2,600 - imagine destroying nearly 100,000 soviet tanks over the course of the war and losing? rough.

otherwise everything else is pretty much true I think.

At the war memorial in Staliangrad you can see the commisars sitting behind the lines with a pistol pointed at soviet soldiers. Deserters were shot.

Hitler did not declare war on France, they declared war on Germany. Also, Hitler spent something like 9 months negotiating with Poland for the Danzig corridor, even going so far as to offer large prime pieces of upper Silesia rich with coal which the Poles had been after for years, even negotiated with the Weimar gov. for it, (and were denied) to allow the Germans to declare Danzig "a german city" (poles would still have some control of the city and receiving some taxes, etc.), He was asking for a "corridor" 12 miles wide, full of German speaking ethnic Germans, and the Poles would not budge, because they knew England was backing them, and as we know ((England)) wanted this war to happen, very very badly.

nuclear bombs were not really a large consideration in 1939, the Americans spent billions and years of research with the worlds smartest scientists to create it, and did not build Los Alamos until 1943. Germany was not at all close to having a working bomb, and only in the beginning stages of nuclear research when the war began, not much effort or research was spent on it. but i agree with you, if they had known the power of it, you are correct.

really? you have a pic of that? - yes deserters were certainly shot, but a majority of soviet citizens and red army soldiers wanted to fight and did so extremely courageously, in "the great patriotic war". wouldn't you fight if an army invaded your country and were killing your comrades and family members? I would.

Not really, most of the "citizens"/peasants were horribly mistreated by the communists who had starved them, mistreated them horribly, and lost many family members during the holomodor etc., Germans were greeted as liberators at first, and the German soldiers treated the civilians well for the most part, German soldiers on the whole were very honorable soldiers, but the German high command policy was to subjugate them, committed many "reprisals" on villages of innocent people after partisan attacks, etc. - this turned any good will they made have had to hatred.

of course there will always be partisans, but if they had acted as liberators (as a policy from the top), MANY soviet citizens would have certainly joined the Germans and helped quell the partisans and fight the red army.

you should seek help for this post.

Yeah invading my country, killing my people, annexing a large part of my country is BAIT


Poland invades and annexes German territory.
Germany fighting the invader - is the agressor.
Polish thief's logic.

You ignorant idiot are aware that Germany was permanent under attack, invaded multiple times since the “Peace of 1918”?
Poland expressed its wish to invade and take even more German territory, like today.

What are you some retard who has his knowledge of history from “History-Chanel”?

101 German history after WWI
The CORRIDOR, or the Polish corridor was a large piece of land annexed by Poland without referendum from Germany after WWI.
This piece of land connecting Danzig, Königsberg, East- and West-Germany was annexed because “Poland needs access to the Baltic sea”. So the whole point was never justice for alleged suppressed people, but the geopolitic convenience to prop up and arm an enemy of Germany.
An enemy who attacked Germany with French support short after “ceasefire and peace treaty” of Versailles.

Referendum is important because the allies claimed to fight for the right of self determination of people, to free the oppressed Polish or Czechoslovakian people. Referenda were never held about German territory looses, or that referenda were manipulated, gerrymandered (with the exception of the dispute with Denmark).

There was no referendum about the Polish corridor, because there were no Polish people living in the Corridor, Poland would loose the referendum big (like all the other too).

Hitler was willing to compromise on the Corridor issue, if Poland stops its attack on Germany, like he did in the case of Southern-Tyrol. Poland did fire at civilian Lufhansa planes on their way to Danzig.
Hitler asked Poland to have a neutral street, highway through the Corridor, to connect Danzig and East-Prussia to the rest of the Reich.
Poland never changed its hostile stance towards Germany, feeling the weakness of Germany and in confidence of French (British and US) support.

If you want to understand WW2 from Hitler's point of view you must read: "Mein Kampf the Second Book", "Hitler's War" by David Irving and "Hitler's Table Talks"

and this essay is the most revealing thing you will ever read
ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

here's my account of WW2, i will try to make it as objective as i can

1939: Hitler orders the Gleiwitz false-flag as a justification to invade Poland, he invaded Poland because he wanted to save Germans who were being ethnically cleansed (Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau), he was worried about being encircled by France's allies (Poland and Czechoslovakia) and so wanted to get rid of an enemy and he wanted living space for the German people.

Hitler launched his invasion under the belief that the western powers could not retaliate because they were still re-arming themselves and Hitler entered into the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact as another security against the west. during the invasion after it became clear that the western powers were going to war, his plan was then to grab as much Polish territory as possible and then sign a peace treaty, but the Western powers refused to make peace.

1940: Poland has been split between Germany and the USSR, Hitler moves his armies to west and invades the Netherlands to and invades France through Belgium, the French armies move into Belgium to meet him, but Hitler pushes through the Ardennes with his armored divisions and gets an encirclement on the British and French armies which are pushed back to Dunkirk, France capitulates and Hitler stops his armored divisions from attacking Dunkirk and lets the British troops go because he wants to make a peace treaty with Britain because he sees that Britain would lose its empire if it continues the war in Europe. Britain instead chooses to continue the war and invades Norway in an attempt to stop Germany from getting iron from Sweden, but Germany beats Britain to it and invades Denmark and Norway.

1941: With the allies driven out of Europe and Scandinavia secured the only threat now is the Soviet Union, Germany was particularly vulnerable to a Soviet attack because Romanian oilfields that fuel germany's armored divisions border the Soviet Union and Europe's high infrastructure would have allowed Soviet tanks to roll right through Europe. and so anticipating a Soviet attack, Hitler invaded first, and you must imagine that the Soviets worked only on tactical brutality, the Soviets would have invaded Europe if they had the opportunity

Hitler declared war on America in 1941, he did it because America was arming itself for war and so American entry was inevitable, Hitler had read the Polish ambassadors documents (See below), America had been funding Germany's enemies, American ships were attacking and detaining German U-boats and merchant ships and Roosevelt and Churchill plotted together to sink an American ship and blame it on German U-boats (see JFK's Dad, Joseph Kennedy). I highly recommend the essay linked below, it is the most revealing thing you will ever read

To anyone who wants to understand the reasons for America and the Allies involvement in the war you must read the documents written by the Polish Ambassadors in 1938
ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

Further Reading:
(Last Speech)
youtube.com/watch?v=GIk4sDft04A
(Last Political Testament)
youtube.com/watch?v=D9zqWiS8zTU
(Declaration of War on America)
youtube.com/watch?v=niiiHjIQu8s
(Declaration of War on USSR)
youtube.com/watch?v=lDvDuPMd6fE

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