Look, I'm not here to throw the shit at you you're used to. I get it. I used to be really big into TRS, and I still listen to the show sometimes. I'm not gonna tell you everyone's a jew, for all I know the guys at TRS think they're doing the right thing. I'm going to tell you why they're not the people who are going to make much change in the end.
A youtuber named the distributist detailed a very good concept called "the larping spectrum." on one end of the spectrum, you have people who use a goofy character and it's obvious they're using a goofy character as a joke to make a point. People like this LARPer because he is clearly a normal person LARPing as a joke. The example given is a guy dressing in a goofy outfit with the self-awareness that he looks goofy. On the opposite end of the spectrum you have people who take what they are doing very seriously, it is a passion for them. People like this LARPer because even though they might not feel his same passion, they can see that it is a genuine passion that guides them, and they can respect that. In the middling regions of the spectrum you have the shitty larper. The kind that is appropriating an identity because he isn't normal, and he lacks passion. This is merely entertainment. Many examples of this exist, furries, kekistan fags, and, yes, unfortunately, TRS. I listened to them for 2 years and ultimately I reached the conclusion that they do not fall into either end of this "LARP spectrum", but the middle. I tuned in every week hoping to hear the things that I know need to happen were happening (building communities, doing actual activism and not racial greivance marches riddled with feds), watching everyone around them fizzle out or move onto other things.
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It's gotten to the point where they are the revolutionary vanguard now, and that's really sad, because they have this mantle out of pure coincidence, and they have decided to not professionalize in the least. And ultimately the problem lies with this:
They are racist libertarians, adopting the identity of national socialists to find a sense of belonging. I get why, I did the bit myself for a little while. But none of the death panel are national socialists, so why take the crippling PR that comes with the natsoc identity without adopting the philosophical framework, moral imperatives, or self-discipline it demands? Ultimately, normies know they aren't 100% serious about what they're doing, they're not normal either, and it turns them off, which is unfortunate, seeing as TRS has decided to be the normie outreach and not the revolutionary vanguard. This isn't a dig at people at the local groups, I've been to events and lots of good people are in there; not national socialists, but honest regular people, and I think these people could be put to much better use if they were following someone else.
No, this isn't saying to be cantwell or nehlen, and no, this isn't about optics, at least not mainly.
The death knell for me was the other night on the heelturn stream. They went on to drink and talk about a movie with these guys, who then ambushed them with a debate from a literal fucking nobody, some 56% commie from twitter who they bantered with occasionally. This guy was a retard, and that hubris guy made it apparent in only a few minutes afterwards by debating him with his own language.
What did mike and sven do, given that they were clearly too inebriated for this encounter? They decided to keep getting shitfaced, screaming like morons for four hours, in sven's basement at 4 am when sven's family is likely upstairs trying to sleep.
How do you think that's going to work for your stated purpose of "normie outreach"? Any journo with a blue checkmark of david can clip that, and you're suddenly untouchable now, because you chose to make yourself look like a drunkard live on the internet over a literal fucking nobody. They could have asked the heelturn guys to stop the hangout and start the stream over, bantzed the guy for 5 minutes and called it, or just fucking left outright since it was a dick move by the hosts, and they would have looked fine. But instead they made complete asses out of themselves.
How do they think this impacts the people in their regional groups?
Their role models are irresponsible, and lack the self-discipline to really be an effective leader. They're racist radio shock jocks, and that's all good and well, but those kinds of people are not good leaders of revolutionary movements, and yes, if you're a racial nationalist or a national socialist, that's what this is.
And that's ultimately what's going to happen. They are inadvertently cutting off the supply line of new recruits with this kind of unprofessional behavior, with their half-in half-out flirting with national socialism, taking the worst PR elements without any of the philosophical drive of it, with their increasing ghettoization. Here's what proves it:
Now beardson and hubris are faggots, hubris specifically is just mad he got kicked out of IE and got doxxed by alt righters, but I think hubris really does care about whites deep inside himself.
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Hubris offered mike and sven advice, basically the advice I'm giving, and sven decided to cut him off, scream (literally) about how HIS podcast is doing better than HUBRIS' podcast, and that was the end of discussion.
That was the final straw, I think. I had some hope these guys would straighten up and fly right, but that makes it concrete what their future holds. Ghettoization and cultivating loyal paypigs because they got doxxed and have no jobs in their future now.
Why are you all here? Because Sven decided to shut down the 504um due to it being buggy, not having a new one ready to go in advance, and taking weeks to get it up because he's not offloaded that task onto a disciplined follower with the skills to do so. Moreover, he's told you to get off discord, he's making the forum invite and vetted only, and given mike's refusal to get back on twitter, they're effectively saying get off twitter, too. I don't think they're doing this on purpose, I think this is a bumbling misstep because it's just not safe to be a revolutionary vanguard. These guys are doxxed and out there, they can't afford to lose their financial lifeline, so now intentionally or not, they've built this community of theirs and they aren't using the quality people that exist in it to build a hierachy, to build a vehicle for revolution; they're building a dedicated, ghettoized fanbase that zog will leave alone in peace so they can at least get regular checks for the paywall. I personally don't think it's intentional, I think it's because they lack the discipline and ideological background to be fully dedicated to national socialism, but they think oven jokes are funny!!!
So here's what I recommend for you, if you're still a TRSodomite like I was. You don't have to stop hanging with your pool party, but get them into another group. If there's people of quality, get them into a natsoc group or an identitarian group (which lots of people here on 8pol will be mad about, and yeah IE aren't natsoc but at least they're very serious about what is essentially white racial activism), and for the less-quality people, I will remind you of what William Luther Pierce said of church of the creator and aryan nations:
Thank god for these groups, because they keep the freaks and losers away from our groups.
TRS' future is that of the loser-magnet to keep other more serious organizations free from their corruption.
If you read this, thank you for listening.
Sincerely;
a former TRSodomite
Shouldn't that start with 2 Hitlers?
Nah, Hitler represents the original audience, which came from Zig Forums, not the guys who started it.
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Here's the infographic for the larp spectrum I mentioned in my first post.
Can you really honestly say, deep in your heart, that the boys on the death panel are at the right or left end of this spectrum?
All the people who complain about TRS being here seem to have the intimate knowledge that would only come from intense use and browsing of TRS.
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Yeah, and?
If you read the post, I said I am formerly a listener of TRS, and I have since decided they are a dead end. That's why I made this post, because I can see in detail the flaws with them, and am trying to explain these flaws in a reasoned argument that will hopefully convince a few TRSers without them immediately writing me off as a "buttmad stormfag"
trust me, I'm no big fan of distributist, his whole panracial catholic sharia thing is beyond retarded; but he has many legitimate criticisms of the alt right that you might not get from an explicitly natsoc audience.
friendo it's just Zig Forums themed mindless entertainment
treating them like and expecting them to be messiahs for our cause is just fanboyism run wild. we're too early in the game for tiered mass movements with a strict hierarchy anyway. in the meantime I don't see how they are doing much harm. but admittedly I don't really listen much at all.
Yes, we're early in the game, which is why you shouldn't be going down dead ends and looking for racially-themed diversions and should instead be BUILDING said tiered mass movements.
The harm they do is in their attraction of people to their group (which as I have explained above is a dead end) when they could be better put to use doing something else.
They have become a steam valve and a ghetto, and this problem has and will only become more exaggerated as time goes on.
If you think you can do a better job than them, do it. If not, stfu.
Don't believe me? Screencap this thread. Save it in a folder, and set yourself a little reminder on your phone for one year hence from this date.
At that point, go find this screencap in your folder, and reread this thread, and tell me TRS has not become more of a ghettoized payfarm than it is at this current date.
I'm not telling you this because I have a vendetta against mike and sven, or because I'm some kind of subverter. I was a confused man looking for something serious to join so I could effect the change I want to see in the world.
TRS is not a serious group to join, and they are not going to effect the change we want to see in this world. They had their shot, and I really did want them to succeed at one point. They have decided, intentionally or not, to go down the road of becoming a ghettoized payfarm. They will follow the path of Hal Turner before them.
Hello salty TRSodomite.
Hah, no.
I am pretty sure serious groups are gonna be serious mate when I am saying serious I mean turner diaries serious.They are not gonna pop up on the web and they will be underground. They cannot do anything else after all.
I've been doing my best as one person. Currently part of a more serious but small, tight knit group that is focused on creation of propaganda than on recruitment of people to a rank and file group, as I don't have the charisma for that personally. You've probably seen some of our work without realizing it.
Be careful where you talk about these things.
I think I kept it vague enough to where nobody could figure it out, but if this is who I think it might be, understood.
You have every right to critique some of the few people who are willing to put themselves out there and at least try to make a difference.
And I have the right to point out that you haven't even done that.
To put it bluntly, they may not be perfect, but at least they have balls. You don't.
OK. I can relate to that.
They didn't put themselves out there, they were forcibly put out there. Before they got doxxed they were just some anons too. The problem with them getting doxxed means that the movement is their only source of livelihood, and if you don't expect that to influence their actions going forward, I can't help you.
Very well thought out post OP. While the drunk stream is new, I think many people came to the realization that Mike isn't really into anything other than fleecing paypigs with the Night of the Long Dildos revelations. His drunk stream is just further immolation. Yes, these are the people calling us larpers. Also nice rare terry.
There's another element to it. He's probably similar to that "HamBaconEggs" kike at some level.
I understand what are you saying.
its like watching someone form /x/ or when 2 autists start a shit flinging contest about religion on here, I don`t like nor care about this people opinions and believes, but i respect them for the sheer knowledge and spirit they put into their posts.
Kill yourself shitstain.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, except about the forum. The 504um is a pretty nice place with plenty of RevNatSocs.
exactly. We might not all be able to get into Historical European Martial Arts with the same level of drive that Skalagrim guy has, but we can respect his passion. Their identity might not be conventional, but it's very genuine and they live and breathe it.
When I look at Mike Enoch, I don't see someone who lives and breathes what Hitler believed in, and yet he constantly takes the burden upon himself of defending this stuff, so what ultimately happens is not unlike a diluted and weakened version of a disease that is put into a vaccine. In the long run, people like him have given ZOG the culture samples needed to memetically inoculate the masses against our ideas.
Idk man. I like the idea of having a static forum where topics like guides and infodumps can stay up for months and months, and I stayed mostly in the effortposting board (if that wasn't obvious), but there was way too much unironic azn porn and anime titties for me.
they came to this board for months spamming their shit
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This is why you don't use forums with names
Do they mean pay piggies or people who signed up to their forum?
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According to Newsweek any forum user is fair game.
my understanding is that the newsweek article does some pilpul to make it seem like this is the case when the actual paywall users and forums itself aren't as of yet being requested, but that was the whole point of the Cville lawsuit, to get all membership rosters of organizations. As dumb as TWP ended up being, at least Parrot had the good grace to take one for the team and delete his membership records even if it ended up violating the court order.
If TRS were serious, they'd nuke the forums and bleachbit everything, and take paywall only in the form of itunes gift cards or crypto, but ultimately that would cut off their incomes.
If you put a man in a position where he will have to choose between his livelihood and his ideas, most people are going to choose their livelihood.
That's why TRS is a dead end.
I doubt the pool faggots were planning on instigating Der Tag but the discussion of self defense and helicopter maymays is going to be portrayed as organized terrorism.
The case has no legal merit, but WNs have no legal rights so they'll probably lose.
yeah let's just ignore the TRS people and not attempt to convert them to natsoc and let them ruin this board great idea smoothbrain
A hard lesson they need to learn is that the police are agents of the enemy and if a list of "racists" comes out each of them can expect their local PD to be constantly harassing them. Should've read SIEGE.
You used a lot of words when you just could have said "TRS are fags."
See I listen to trs because they make good points, have some refreshing perspectives, and a few of the stories make me laugh i.e. gay woman who had the "coming out as being fascist" idea.
I most certainly don't idolize them and I'm sure majority of the people don't. I just don't really get all the hate.
Sure they have guilt of hypocrisy but plenty of content on trs.biz is good even though a lot may not be.
You might get some of our reasons for not liking TRS if you read the thread
She was a kikess and who came up with the whole "fashy" thing. Weird how she was in their circle to begin with, I guess kikes stick together.
TRS are just movementarian faggots
Since when is acting like a retarded nazi a good point?
TL;DR you fucking nigger they're all kikes and if they aren't kikes then they're shills
TRS is just a comedy politics talkshow, never leaders. ppl need to not take them too seriously.
this chart is accurate, TRS is obbesed with "optics" (looking good for normalfags) yet the site is run by a fat rat faced jew with an ex-jew wife and a half black brother pretty bad "PR" if you ask me. Mike Enoch's beady black eyes and hooked nose aren't exactly a good look for white nationalists
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No offense but TRS, mike, sven they where never adherents os NS ideology, and have quite frequently over the years put it down. attacked and insulted National Socialists. Because muh larp,, muh uniform and muh optics.
holy shit, I helped ryan dawson on facebook buy bitcoin, LMAO
This is factually wrong and not how the case in unwinding
No, let's ignore eceleb threads. In fact, let's b& them. If you don't like it newfag, then gb2cuckchan.
there's no converting TRSodomites. They are here to shill. They get marching orders from the 504um, and they come en masse. again, if you weren't such a newfag, then you'd understand this
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the 504um no longer exists and never gave marching orders
What the fuck, when did it become 2014 again?
so (you) I take it
you say that like its a bad thing
What a fucking lie that is. Jesus christ how can you sodomites lie like this. Have a bit of shame.
Ex TRS listener here, of course former TRS fans are gonna be the most pissed off at the Jew Mike and the death panel lying to and betraying them.
I used to listen. They’re funny, the comedic value is probably still there. I think Mike is trying to be more serious now. You can listen to them but don’t ever trust them (Actually, don’t ever fully trust anyone. Paranoia can serve you). What makes me suspicious of them is that they do a lot of calling the shots and purity spiraling for their main host being someone who was married to a jewess for 10 years. Don’t trust purity people, Anons. Don’t trust anyone who tells you that whites all need to be one specific ideology or that weed will literally turn you into a nigger, or that cigarettes or alcohol or coffee will. That kinda shit is the train to crazy town. Spergs won’t save us. Yes, there is merit to not being a degenerate, but there has to be some moderation there or you’re going to come across and some kind of weird, repressed no fun allowed cult like Islam and nobody is going to listen to you.
I was a commenter on TRS since before there was a DS. Honestly they where one of the vectors that led me here. I honestly feel empathy for Mike and what he's been through, but.. The suffer from a chronic superciliousness that becomes irritating as you view their ideology develop. I find Mike a compelling speaker but "the a-rabs di 911" schtick is beyond retard level at this point. There is just too much info out there. The 504 ums became an insufferable ball sniffing contest with any divergent opinions downboated into the Mariannas Trench. And now it's not even accessible for movement gossip gawking. Also fucking Weev.
An Irony-type meme
Hey look, it's Mike.
The flag for the trs party.
No TRS listener would say that, cool story though faggot.
They said it on the podcast multiple times, along with "1488er" which means the same thing.
Marches provoke the political opposition into doing things that angers the public and generates support. L2Radicalism
They're not going to be the people that make much change in the end because they want to keep it legal. They preach taqqiya and tacitness above effectiveness.
Oh yes, the alt right was just swimming in support after C-ville. Just like based Aryan warrior Frank Collin was after his highly successful Skokie March.
What, four years ago when they were still edgy libertarians? You're not going to convince anyone when you have no idea what you are arguing against.
does trs have a subreddit now? or tumbler page? nice gif reddit
Nope, last year. A couple months before c-ville. They were harping on and on about "basement dwelling Nazis" "1488ers" and "hitlerists"
I wonder why he wasn't "martyred". No loss, and a martyr is better than a larping kike
And then your totally-not-jewish leader poses for the media like this, while bitching about bad optics.
Because he got arrested for child rape months after skokie. They probably didn't have time to "martyr" him.
I guess same idea could be applied to trs kikes in theory.
Supposedly ghoul is a faggot pedo just like Collin. You are more on the mark than you think.
All the shit against TRS was done by the 3 pol kike moderators that were kicked off.
No, you guys proved that you are a subversive element. The turk actually let you shill here for months, until anons started making him take action against you.
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Not true at all, I watched it go down, it made the mods here look like useless faggots
Also, you shouldn't have poked /baph/
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Bullshit. TRS has no problem with Uncle Adolf.
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Dubs say I'll shut the fuck up about it.
Anybody got the clips where they rail on 1488ers and NS people?
My hard drive with all this hit on it shit its self.
While the bottom of the pyramid might not, a lot of the leadership's PRcucking and kvetching over the pinwheel of friendship ruining optics begs the question. But the primary people calling us "basement dwellers" were the alt-light ledditors which bleeds greatly into the TRS sphere.