ok guys i looks like we have a real answer. I didnt mean to really say he fucked his slave I was just presenting that there are some things said about him that are not completely moral. And while he might be a defender of morality he still was not perfect. But again I dont know the extent of his life and being.
For now it sounds like Jefferson is our winner as the example of president desiring a moral state. Particularly through giving the populace the ability to govern themselves and enforce norms within their communities.
Well you give pictures of degenerates but not pictures of norms. Look at first picture a young kid and a man in the background. They look decent (morality and decency are related but no the same btw). So even with in your society that is free to be crude , moral decent people still exist there by disproving your point.
I know now that you are a jew that want to have control and this is your thread but I dont care.
Also a totalitarian regime might not be a moral one. Gulags are not moral.
Your last picture, is a girl being silly stating that she has perky tits. Are you arguing that this should be outlawed and that you would want a moral state to outlaw this?
Very shallow ideal considering that there is no reason to think you have the correct guage to decide what is indecent or not? Will you follow the Bible or the Torah in these rules of decency and morality?
Again what you want is control not morality. You want the ability to punish people for expressing themselves in ways you dont like. Your morality is a form of closed minded preference in which you want to play god and make sure the sun does not shine on those you deem undesirable.
Morality itself does not judge any existence. You can be a moral queer, you can be a moral murder , you can be a moral slave owner (jefferson). Morality is a kin to honesty and integrity. Do you mean what you say , do you say what you do , completely honestly?
As you read this think about our military and war. The exreme case of a murderer. A murderer that walks in a room, announces they are going to kill someone as does it is an honest person that while doing an ugly act, does it in a moral why in which gives a chance for other to defend themselves and not be confused by their attackers desires. This is also the premise of the "sucker punch" you are supposed to announce the fight before swinging. Its not the immoral thing for punching someone, its the immoral thing of not telling them you are going to do so.
Just like honesty and integrity , morality does not make the end judegment. Something can be done morally and be bad , something can be done morally and be good. Its everyone of us and god that has to make the judgment , apply our own bias and opinion to decide if something was good or not. If it was done in a honest fashion, with integrity, it was probably also moral. Morals are with reason , morals are with meaning. A moral act is an act that gives you the ends you want with relying on deceit. But again this act can still be good or bad even if it is moral. That for the individual to decide and react to.