Trade War Starts Sunday

July Crisis: Ready Faggots?

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I'll be sitting here staying comfy waiting for bloody sunday to hit

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It's hilarious because Canada and Europe's positions politically are so weak that the fact that either would even attempt to enter a trade war with the US is hilarious. Trump called their bluff and because right now both countries are led by unstable governments that are about to be kicked out in the next election - they've stubbornly persisted putting their nations and the global economy in serious trouble all because they expect the US to babysit them forever.

What happens when the nationalist European governments getting elected tell the US to fuck off?

DONT YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? THIS IS IT. THE REVOLUTION HAS LITERALLY BEGUN. GET OUTSIDE AND ORGANIZE A DAMNED RESISTANCE CELL. WE HAVE REACHED EVENT HORIZON.

Not buying that Trump will tariff>>11780618
China 200B. >What happens when the nationalist European governments getting elected tell the US to fuck off?
They won't. Trump will begin given certain EU countries exem


They won't. Trump will begin tipping the scales in favor of them with exemptions. By giving Poland, Italy and a few other an advantage over Germany and France, it could reshape the balance of power in the EU. Germany tried to pull this stunt with the NordStorm pipeline.

I like Trump's social policy, but this tribalistic leftist protectionism is going to ruin our country. Our blessed nation was founded on the values of free trade, unhindered by the European communist ideals of taxation and tariffs. It's a shame that the best president since Bush is a left leaning buffoon.

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When the largest companies on the planet are all American right now (Walmart, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Apple) its kind of a retarded idea to start tariffs against them. The game was rigged from the very start in Americas favor

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Shut up retard.

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Here's the issue, America is the world's largest consumer, by far. The US economy could continue for long with a slight increase on the prices but even Germany, the most stable net exporter only has an 18% trade surplus… they rely much more on our buying than the products we produce. It could easily bring economic pain very quickly to Germany, enough to throw Merkel tfo. China is desperately fighting to keep her economy from having a meltdown (and they require a good economy to keep their dissidents fat and happy) so just a few quarters of trade war would grind their gears to a halt.

Canada, just fucking lol, 80% of her economy is tied up with the US. They couldn't fight a trade war for half an hour.

Get in la helicopter, Che

Their entire economy literally relies on keeping their labor cheap to American companies, this gives American companies incentives to outsource production to China, to keep the Xi machine rolling. They keep the price of labor cheap by artificially adjusting the value of their currency based on labor (hence their high GDP per PPP but low GDP per capita). China is basically fucked once the prices of outsourcing become greater than the prices of domestic production. Xi has been fighting hard to maintain high consumer spending in China for this and your aforementioned reasons, but its virtually impossible with Chinas regulated domestic markets

The fuck are you talking about protectionism isn't leftist, it's right/classical liberal. America began protectionist tarrifs since day one and attributes to how America was able to industrialize so hard, so fast. Free trade is neoliberal horseshit that makes the economy seem better in the short term in exchange for longterm damage. That's like tearing down walls in your house to use as firewood. And that's literally what paid for shit before the creation of the income tax:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs_in_United_States_history

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THESE TARIFFS INCENTIVISE LOCAL INDUSTRY
Local economy is king.

Thanks for verifying that you know nothing about economics. Filtered.

Exactly, imports from other countries was originally a necessity when the host country did not have access to all available resources. Then it just became a clause of trade agreements and diplomatic alliances. There are few, if any, resources that America does not have direct access too. Even a couple of the largest oil fields on Earth are in Texas and California

America is always the exception baby.

Don't forget Alaska. Besides, as shale oil extraction technology gets better and cheaper the US has access to more oil than even Saudi Arabia… the US is just so large and wealthy it's like playing on easy mode if we actually tried.

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Here is a link to the same company's report updated to this month, and a few interesting bits of info.
Link here: rystadenergy.com/newsevents/news/press-releases/united-states-recoverable-oil/

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Even better, manufacturing is shifting to India, where millions of people speak English and they just reformed their ridiculous tax code. China, meanwhile, has been shoving its surplus into absurd building projects that do nothing but deliver subsidies to landowners and the millions of bugs they have in the construction industry.

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Those look just as bad as the old commie blocks in Eastern Europe, except even more soul crushing because they wouldn't have to look like that or built in such a pattern, but they do it anyway, fucking bugmen.

I hope the cuckistan side of canuck-land learns how to speak russian or french

Gas yourself.

If you look into it most of the "ghost city" pics are from over a decade ago. Most of them are actually highly successful and thriving by now.

Exactly you moron.

That's because China is literally USSR 2.0. Remember how the disillusionment of the USSR came as a surprise to literally everybody because of how sudden it happened after the country was getting closer to catching up with America? China is going to be the same way. Xi wants to remain leader for life because he fears he will live to see Gorbachev 2.0 take his place. I honestly cannot see China lasting for another 50 years. Between their bloated population, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, now North Korea, Japan, and India, all about to snap at China for bullying them, and their increasing need for resources, China will be forced to balkanize sooner or later.

The Chinese government relies heavily on incentivising people and businesses to relocate to these cities. "thriving' is relative

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Except they won't do that, you dumb kike. The incoming nationalist Euro governments will be interested in sitting down at the table with Trump and reforging bonds that are outside the kike status quo and the EU oligarchy they are rejecting. Ya fuckin' sheeny dipshit.

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That's kinda their whole plan? These cities get populated by rural farm people. The largest migration in the history of earth has been Chinese moving from rural farms to cities, it sorta makes sense that you need solutions of that scale as well.

You act like it costs the government nothing to incentivise bugmen to move to a new place. Its just like said, all this is going it delivering subsidies to landowners and contractors

I'm not really trying to defend their plans or anything.

But if I were to guess, the chinamen would probably say the cost of subsidies is less than the benefit of bringing in rural workers thus increasing their economic output by at least 10 fold per person.

based

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Chose words better, because " highly successful and thriving by now." sounds a lot like a plea for defense

Economic output doesn't spawn out of thin air. Repopulating areas is a means to control overpopulation. It has nothing to do with economic output. The people being moved into ghost cities likely already had jobs to begin with

They were on farms. When you take a worker using hand plows and instead put them in a highly industrialized factory their effective economic output is without a doubt greatly increased. This effect is basically what has given China such insane growth over the last decade.

Also it's true, many of those former ghost cities now are larger than many major US cities.

Chona is going to blow in less than 10 years and it'll be mired in a stagnant economy for decades like Japan did when they overheated.

It also has a lot to do with China trying to increase their influence in regions beyond the traditionally populated coastal areas. Like what they did with Taiwan, Indonesia, and are trying but failing to do with India. Remember China is also giving up rural farmers which are key economic assets. A big chunk of Californias GDP is agriculture for example
I know you're full of shit now

Article about one of the most famous ghost cities now containing 2 million people.

forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/04/23/chinas-largest-ghost-city-is-now-90-full-but-theres-a-twist/#15ee4cff67c8

Chicago, IL. Population: 2,720,546. …
Houston, TX. Population: 2,296,224. …
Philadelphia, PA. Population: 1,567,442. …
Phoenix, AZ. Population: 1,563,025. …
San Antonio, TX. Population: 1,469,845. …
San Diego, CA. Population: 1,394,928.

fake news
And San Diego, even the city proper, has about 3 million people, so don't know where that came from

Fair enough I didn't really think about the numbers like that just pulled the list from the top of google.

And more importantly, people don't need to be paid to move to these places

Much as I wish this could be true, China's authoritarian regime can address problems like that in ways we can't. In Tibet, for example, the government is shipping in and relocating hundreds of thousands of Han to dilute and eventually eliminate the Tibetans. It'll work, too, since they have literally hundreds of millions of people to draw from and unlimited power, while the Tibetans have Richard Gere pulling for them.

It's a pretty nice entry-level redpill to talk about this with hippy-dippy California types. Get them to agree that it's horrible how the Han are using their immense population and birthrate as a weapon of demographic warfare, then suddenly shift to stats about Mexicans in California. Watch them shit at the thought they might have accidentally become racist. 4-D libshits burn calories trying to figure out if this means the Tibetans have been oppressing the Han Chinese as a way of resolving the dissonance.

Hmmmmmmm….

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Where? The only one is Italy, and they're hardly "nationalist." I don't hear them talking about getting rid of their millions of muds who've accumulated over the years. I just hear them talking about preventing more. That's not exactly enough. As for Germany, France, Sweden, UK etc. They're many, many steps from any true nationalism (you probably couldn't even hold a nationalist rally in these countries without going to jail). At best they had centre-left candidates calling for immigration reform (a centrist position), who've been labeled nazis. Western Europe is so far left that left-leaning candidates are called nazis. Western Europe is so far left that Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are called right-wing. Where the fuck are the nationalists? Also if a nationalist gets in office, then we can work out good trade deals. Fuck Europe if the trade is at our expense. I'm an American nationalist, so I want the best for my people as much as any European nationalists do for theirs. If they say fuck off? Well, hurts them more than us. Don't really care.

Nigger, do you have any idea of the scale of this waste? Imagine that Trump's infrastructure plan included a scheme to build a second interstate system, except this one reaches to Europe and can house the entire population of Florida in its rest areas. It's actually beyond that – imagine carting in dirt and seeds to grow corn in an identical copy of Iowa that's built on stilts over the Iowa we have right now.

Here's a typical Chinese land transaction:
+Government middle manager wants to post good numbers for economic growth in his area, and he wants bribes, so he hits up local construction companies via their cartel and makes a deal.
+Using local workers, he sends out teams to put eminent domain notices on every farm house within 10 miles of his office; maybe 10,000 people whose ancestors have lived on the land since the Bronze Age.
+On getting the notice, the locals are visited by shyster city slickers from Beijing and Shanghai who offer them 10% more than the government will pay for their land.
+They sell.
+Chinese government is communist, so there's nothing resembling market value to set prices. They just pay more according to how many floors your house has.
+With 90 days to go, every construction company in the region makes fucking bank building extra floors on farm houses. Never mind the quality of the build, shit's getting torn down in a few months. Make your concrete out of rice and pig's lard; whatever. Just add floors.
+Government pays 10 times what it had to just to get the land. Then, it pays bank to those same construction companies to demolish the fucking houses they just turned into mini skyscrapers.
+Build actual skyscrapers, using many of the same materials and methods. Zero plumbing, no electricity, no elevators in the 20- and 30-story blocks. Build an empty city with room for 1 million people on what was once farmland.
+Buildings moulder. Farmers move into the ground floors and keep farming in the yards between them. Sometimes the Triads start a whorehouse or opium den.
+Jews in London and New York convince stupid goyim to invest in Chinese mutual funds backed by construction contracts and real estate securities.
+When it all collapses in every way imaginable, somehow US and British taxpayers will be on the hooknose for trillions in bailouts and loan guarantees.

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Oh no, we're shaking.

>going hurr we 'murka durr

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It is one occupational empire.

China doesn't have the means to pull its population out of poverty, and the international market doesn't have the demand to generate enough wealth to ever do so. China is also looking at a population implosion, as well as the need to support a humongous aging population. Although, being ant people, they'll probably just kill them all, because they won't have the means to support them. China is a big ant colony. It only exists when the worker ants are able to work, and work cheaply. There's no future for China. I don't see how there possibly could be. Especially with demand for the return of industry to the US, and the rise of other competitive countries.

Sometimes they get creative. Pic 1 is a replica of the US Capitol they built in Wuhan. It's been abandoned for years, and now it's crawling with unlicensed food vendors.

Pic 2 is one of their projects in Africa, of all places.

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We're shaking!

My god that looks like hell on earth. It's like USSR style commie-block housing on steroids.

Are you a bot, or just inbred?

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We're shaking!

Checked. Is pic 2 in Africa or China? Those soulless commieblocks are depressing.

Every fucking thing the Chinese do is depressing as hell. Pic 1 is a house they added on to to get that extra money, but in this case the government wouldn't pay. So, the owner wouldn't sell. So, the government built a road around the house.

Pic 2 is Chinese Disneyland.

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Let me guess, you are one of those lost soulds who accidentally ended up here. Worry not, there is a place for you and your kind.
>>>/reddit/

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Oh I'm ready, I can't wait for the oldfucks to start shouting about "muh dividends".

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Pic 2 is in Africa. The original filename was something like "Kwangi Klixmau" or whatever.

Oh really? That must be easy to cite if they're so highly successful and thriving by now.

Are you fucking shitt'in me OP? what is that 30 billion at the High end? Thats Fucking it? Thats the world standing up to Trump? Motherfucker Trump bumped up 50+ billion into our millitary like early 2017 and didnt even blink, (probably cuz he cut 73 billion so it was still net savings) He also signed for a 700 billion dollar military budget. Were were loosing 500 Billion in trade deficits yearly with king nigger.

How pathetic, get fucked
Im going to love watching these countries Eat shit Heil Hitler

Is that supposed to be some hipster giving a soy grimace?

Pensions after paying a life time of taxes and contributing to your society… wow yeah so comparable to 18 y/o stoners on welfare.

Why would this be good? Or are you just a typical Republican party/US military cyber shill trying to shore up the neoliberal Washington Consensus under a wafer-thin veneer of anti-chink sentiment?

The only difference between Canada and the US is metric, French and no funz in the vending machine.

Kick Mexico out of NAFTA, a five year massive deportation crackdown in Canada and then get rid of the northern border. Think Schengen.

Fuck you're retarded. I said it's happening, not that it's a good idea. Manufacturers who are more ambitious than plastic injection molding need a mix of dumb brutes to do the lifting and English-speaking university graduates to design processes. India has both, and they're getting cheaper than China.

The upshot is that this will put the Chinese economy's nuts in a cracker, and the Poos know it. The chinks know it too, which is why they're not up to a standoff with Trump.

Now go fuck yourself, goon.

It's good in that it undermines a competitive China. China is an enemy, dumb-fuck, don't forget it. If it hurts them in the long-run, then in the long-run its good for us. The last thing we need is a first world, fully modernized China on our doorstep. They're semi-intelligent, they have a massive population, they have zero empathy or humanity, and they'd happily try to conquer us.

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It perpetuates capitalism, so no it isn't good.
As opposed to the other, slightly different yellow people bordering China who are totally not enemies and are thus okay to flood our countries with if they buy weapons from jew-owned corporations?

I don't get the ant people. They'll give you a bullet in the head (and charge your family) if you overcharge or take bribes, but expropriation is difficult.

Capitalism is a good economic system.

No argument.

Filtered.

Capitalism is a good system plagued by the crime of usury. Make it illegal again and a lot of its problems will be gone.

Oh no Comrade, don't filter me! Fucking faggot ass leftist…

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It's not a good system at all. It's unreal how deep the rot has set in here. It is incredibly wasteful and degenerate.

It's free, unrestricted competition. There couldn't possibly be anything less wasteful. I don't see how capitalism can be degenerate when it's simply free, unrestricted competition. It's basically natural selection in business. It only went to shit when the government started over-regulating. There's some good regulations, while 90% of them only hinder capitalism, pervert capitalism, or have all but destroyed capitalism. We're not even a capitalism country anymore. How can anyone say we're capitalist when you have to jump through a million hoops to open a coffee shop, while dealing with a tax code and regulations that benefit large corporations like Starbucks while hindering your ability to compete? There's a reason why Walmart was allowed to dominate the market and put small businesses all over the country out of business. Government regulation and taxation of small businesses, as well as a perverted globalistic free trade which allowed them to offshore all production to the third world. Enter tariffs and a freer market within the country, and Walmart wouldn't be the giant it is.

Its more efficient because goods and services can be exchanged where demand designates it rather than the state needing to allocate everything. Its a self running system.

Oh yeah, they earned their pensions. Kill ya self.

It's not efficient at all. That's the propaganda line it feeds dumb rubes like you, though. Take a look at any store in the country and the literal miles of useless shit that sits on shelves that will never do anything but head right to a fucking landfill. Why was it even made in the first place?
No, it isn't. It's genuinely embarrassing to read this drivel here.

Because there's demand for it. Simple concept.

No brains

Stop shilling for /leftypol

You didn't make any argument against its efficiency. There is a lot of perceived useless items but if they are selling someones using them. if your pissed about that get mad at consumers who like bad products i guess, still not a criticism of capitalism itself. You implied the self running system quote is incorrect yet you have no reasoning as to why, so ill ask you again. How is capitalism not a self running system?

statement had implication your quote had none. learn how to debate please, then come back.

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He won't admit it, even if it makes his position consistent, but he actually believes capitalism is too efficient and too effective. I don't know why these faggots can't admit it. It's logically consistent with their "moral" positions. Basically he wants industry regulated to produce necessities, and society regulated to enforce a standard. The "waste" is entirely a moralistic position, which can only exist due to the incredibly efficiency of capitalism (you can't be gluttonous on scraps). They might as well just admit it's a very good system, it's just at odds with their perspective of how we should live. Rather, they want to be inconsistent and try to demean how effective of a system it is.

Filtered.

Even if China is successful at finally erasing Tibetan identity, it'll just increase tensions with India even more. All China will end up doing is making more enemies as their need for land becomes more and more apparent

NatSoc is anti-capitalism. Jesus fucking christ, I almost miss Imkikey.

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Indians, poo memes aside, at least has a sense of culture left in them. China through away all that for Mommunism and imperialism. India has about as many people as China yet they're somehow far less intrusive and globalist in comparison

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no u

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If you haven't heard, you haven't been listening.

Bowie was really into Nazi Occultism and his Thin White Duke persona he described as an Aryan superman. Before (((they))) made him drop it and he suddenly forgot about the entire Station to Station recording session (the "official" reasons us that he was high on coke the whole time)

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