SELF-PERPETUATING SYSTEMS AND HOW THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR
Theoretical post
I'm sure if you've been here for longer than a week, you understand the basic reasoning and concepts behind natural selection, the free market, military success, and so on. For the longest time now I've had this feeling that there is some very similar underlying process at here, but all of the existing definitions for selection processes like this are overspecialized for their particular field, and generally lack applicability to other types of systems. So I decided to have a go at it myself.
I define a SELF PERPETUATING SYSTEM to be any pattern, function, whatever, that takes some variables about the real world and changes them in a way that affects the existence of the system itself. See pictures for reasoning. The goal is to arrive at the shared underlying process of real life selection processes like competition, natural selection, survival etc. Then we can see what kinds of other things we can apply this to.
I included some examples of how given systems can be analyzed like this. Of course there can be systems made of systems and systems inside systems, which is why for any particular application you need to come up with a seperate architecture.
I'm sure there are things I'm overlooking right now, but it seems like this model can be used to describe a lot of things - individual survival, group natural selection, the success of businesses, etc.
If you can get people to think about certain things this way, it makes much clearer how the notions of natural selection, market forces and so on apply to many situations outside the usual fields associated with them. This should make it more difficult for leftards to plead that natural selection doesn't apply to ethnic groups, religions, ideologies and so on.
If anybody works or studies in a field where someone has modelled this before, you're welcome to link existing models. I don't think I've seen a general approach for this particular problem before.
Christian Rogers
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Isaac Stewart
Are you retarded? What the fuck does this have to do with capitalism? How about you look at the actual post, faggot. If your IQ is below 115 this thread probably isn't for you. I switched devices.
An addendum to the OP: The reason genes are not considered a supersystem of organisms is that the expression of each gene is linked to a particular organism, there is no direct information sharing. We track all the copies of this single system, not any single one of them.
Chase Edwards
I am not talking about any political or economic systems in this thread. I am trying to establish a somewhat rigorous, systematic way of thinking about systems that behave this way, from genes to companies to nation states to religions. To do this we need a model.
Once we have a model, a lot of the semantic amniguity goes away, and you can have an argument without constantly latching onto vaguely defined terms.
Aaron Jackson
Sounds like von Neumann machines with genetic algorithms.
Caleb Wood
When this thread matures, copy the good stuff to /bmw/ since this falls under their purview.
Noah Edwards
A von neumann machine can be described with this self-perpetuating system model. Just like a biological organism, a gene, a meme, a race and so on. That's the whole point of the model.
Well, I hope somebody has some input here. This thread isn't particularly well adapted to increased board throughput.
Jayden Jackson
Zig Forums is more an application board than a theory board.
Ayden Campbell
It's neither and both. We're a sort of open source, anonymous equivalent to a cross between a political think tank and an NGO. There is plenty of theoretical discussion here, it's just much slower than the ADD news/bait/D&C threads. Besides, we aren't doing many active ops these days.
