Zig Forums here, we are on the same side now? Wtf…

I'm too retarded to properly link.
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Here you go

Why do you want a Jew to rule over you? Unless you're Jewish yourself.

It mattet because kin is a more unifying factor, a white person is more likely to think on the countrys benefit than a jew

We dont ignore capitalists we just tell you (((who))) they are

Either race doesn't matter, and you embrace hedonism and nihilism while discarding all political beliefs. Or you recognize that your race is your people, and your people are in direct competition with other people, and thus your race should always come first to the detriment of all others.

Both are equally valid.

Leave him, commies think that class is a more unifying factor than race or culture or language

Brilliant AntiFa maggot faggot commie logic

Not all of Zig Forums loves niggers. If you've ever been in there to stir them up, you'll find some of them are actually quite racist. But they are also the greater part stupid and juvenile, and thus haven't come around to a nationalist perspective (yet).

The ethnicity matters because most porkies are literally jews, rely mekes me thenk
It isn’t even the ethnicity, it is their mindset. Look, how many jews have you seen in higher positions who are atheist. Isn’t that an oxymoron? That their religion and ‘ethnicity’ is one? How does that make sense? Is there a Christian race? And why is it caled anti semitism? Why not anti ashkenazism? It’s like calling someone who hates French people an anti Europeanist? How does that makes sense to accuse that person to be ‘anti’ the whole of the Levant? Also the ignoring of the crimes which Israel did against all people it is occupying since the last 60 years. Or the dog of Israel, the US for that matter. The 3 billion military aid they get from the US annually, the tried falseflag to get the US to declare war on Egypt, yet it failed and is brushed under a rug anyway. An attack against American civilians. Nobody cares. Think about the consumerism pushed in the West. The double faced bold lie of overpopulation and then turning around and importing millions of people who don’t even feel welcome in the first place. Then the pushing of gun control world wide to disarm the population. Read what Marx said about gun rights, he was pro gun, yet the ‘liberal’ drivel ‘left’ is pushing for more gun control. Look what Stalin did when the jews got uppity.

Barely happens at all, if so, they're a race traitor who belongs hanged all the same. Also, read up on crypto-judaism. They go as far as to change their names, not tell their own children that they're kikes, sending their children to catholic schools, the list goes on. Just because someone says they're White, doesn't mean they are. There is this thing called scapegoating and Jews do it all the time. I can guarantee you, comrade. If you read about an 'old white man' being at the root of some political push or some organization or otherwise some malicious plot that is obviously awful for the west or the world as a whole, 99.99999% of the cases if you look a little more closely, it'll always turn out to be a Jew. If you lurk here and you see someone post something with the words 'every time' or 'every fucking time' it means they found out they're Jewish. Warmongering neoconservatives are not an exception. As to their history, you know, the cohens, the bill kristols, they started off as trotzkyites who failed to get their way in the USSR and then asked for more money from their financiers in the west (yep, communist functionaries who get their money and instruction from (((American))), capitalist bankers, think about that) who had them move to the states to become conservatives instead. All those 'old white men' who seem to be pushing for wars we don't need and more regulations that their buddy corporations aren't beholden to because their boards always have friends or relatives in the regulatory offices, all of them failed commies. Should really make you think about how much of the idealistic components in commie ideology they and the authors you read actually themselves believe.

See this is why people here look down on you
You don't separate Western from Jewish, you lump it all together. You lump together group A, and a separate group B who despises group A with every fibre of their being and weave this hatred into everything they make. Karl Marx was the son of a rabbi, his closest relatives, Heine included, despised the west as a whole and would rather have seen it all destroyed. And this hatred is what informs all their decisions and the decisions that went into what to make out of any political traction their useful idiots gained. The Frankfurt School complained because complaining and criticising, even if the criticism is nonsensical, is all you really do within critical theory. The destruction of real, authentic, western art was the one thing they didn't complain about. Their main point was that what they wanted to achieve, and have successfully, is a shift within the arts from an importance of quality within the art itself, towards political agreement with them. As for what that means, imagine a highly detailed, near-photorealistic painting of a forest on one hand, and on another a crude crayon drawing of two stick figures, one of which is jerking the other off. According to the preferences of the Frankfurt school and most fart-huffing artists nowadays, the latter of the two is art, whereas the former is not. If they convinced you that capitalism is to blame for that, then you were played a fool yet again and the scapegoating was successful. Yet again, they blamed someone or something else for something they did. By the way, Frankfurt School, the entire leadership: Jewish. All of them. Who would have guessed, right?

They aren't lol

Zig Forums is one of those boards where you get banned for saying nigger.

That's because che and his ~17 mentally ill liberal chronies runs the board just as poorly as kikey ran this one.

You mean you finally ousted that tranny dicksucking faggot?

I've said nigger in there and haven't been banned. Was quite a while ago, though - maybe they've cracked down on it since.

Ow my sides. No, you get funded by people who are gonna put you in nooses right beside Zig Forumsacks if given the opportunity. Or to put it in brief: stop suffering from stolkhome syndrome.

Good summary on marxism user.

They didn't, he's still there fucking everything up as far as I know. But there's a whole lot of ethnic nationalists there that want communism + ethnostate, they're just forced to keep their heads down and toe the line because the vols are banhappy as fuck.

So…
Strasser gang?

THIS.

there isnt real communism as long there is leaders, rulers, or it goes system like North Korea or 1984. That's why we need to get world ruling (((bankers))) and debt out of power!

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sealed indictments

It is happening!

Yes. They'll ban you for discussing strasserism in a positive light.

I think so

No, jews took Cultural Marxism and combined it with Corporatism so they can have both nonwhite socialism and antiwhite consumerism.

Ironic as the effects of the "enlightenment" degenerated culture through capitalism to the extent we see today.

The practitioners of an ideology at time t is not the same as ideology at time t - 1.

Protestant theology and mysticism. Both of which were genealogically descended from a religion outside Europe. Hegel too, was influenced by the same protestantism and mysticism.

There is nothing enlightened about contemporary marxism and communism you smug dumb faggot. If you take the enlightenment as Kant put it (not just intellect, but intellectual courage to face the dominant ideologies of the time), then no contemporary left wing position matches this. None of you have intellectual courage, otherwise you wouldn't find DSA faggots mocking the idea of courage in general. You wouldn't be working hard to shut down all dissent in the face of criticism of your bankrupt ideas. There is nothing brave or courageous about your ideas. Woke corporations agree with your social politics. Numerous power elites agree with you socially and economically. You can find mainstream journalists and academics agreeing with you. How can you possibly have any courage in Kant's sense of enlightenment in a giant circlejerk of people with real influence? How can you ever feel fear doing that? You could go to any university campus in the west and openly espouse your ideas without fear of being punched in the face. The most you have to fear is that some user on here called you a mentally ill tranny faggot (which you probably are).

If you take the enlightenment as a family resemblance position involving the use of the natural and social sciences, and normatively remaking the world according to findings of these sciences, then you fail on both accounts. Historically, you need only look at the Soviets for their failures. Had to steal accomplishments in the sciences and engineering from the west (thanks jew spies), or had to crack down on wrongthought in biology. Only thing they had going for them was maybe mathematics. In contemporary times, you idiots take a blank slate horseshit position still and pretty much ignore anything that isn't class or economic based. You are basically the libertarian "muh GDP", but mirror reversed. You are cargo-cult rick and morty watching science-worshipers that ignore any counter data, and if you can't ignore the data, you make sure the theoretical level contains norms that abide by your garbage so that your findings come out right. Nothing enlightened about that. As to your norms and re-making the world, your political position has failed over and over. It's constant bloodshed led by smug fucking self-congratulatory status striving faggots that think they are a little professor educating and leading everyone ("you're welcome").

Perhaps you didn't read any more of Horkheimer or Adorno after reading a post about them on Zig Forums. Both of them thought of art as emancipation, which is partially what critical theory is all about. Horkheimer just didn't think that capital destroyed art, he thought art could be used (and should be used) in a revolutionary sense. Again, it's art used in service of revolutionary anti-capitalist politics, which in the case of Frankfurt-defending faggots like yourself, equates to communist politics.

Frankfurt school theorists like Marcuse also called for authoritarian responses to the non-tolerant (something which is the exact opposite of what you'd find in enlightenment philosophy, and that the german enlightenment philosophers would have found abhorrent). Surprise, surprise this non-tolerance of the intolerant (where intolerant can often mean not wanting five year olds dicks chopped off, or criticizing barbaric mexican drug traffickers) is exactly what we see today from you fucking cocksuckers.

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It's "Stockholm" I believe. Whenever I see a simple misspelling of a word here I worry about (((them))) posting…

That was a neat rant, but I'll read more before I fully accept it.
Sage because I never feel like I post well enough to bump.

I don't understand how anyone would spend more than 2 minutes on that totalitarian gulag / cargo cult of a board. No humour, no memes, no news, just cognitive dissonance hidden in outdated gibberish.

I don't understand how an OP can start such a shit thread this way and still have it on the board. You can drop all the truth you want but they definitely won't read it. Pic related.

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Why would I want anybody to rule over me? It's prett, dare I say, cucked to want to be ruled over by capital as long as the capitalist is white. I have more in common with a Jewish construction worker than with a white corporate CEO.

How does the benefit of such an abstraction like a "country" benefit me? How is the Roman Empire beneficial for for a Roman slave? Everytime nationalists invoke "unity" it's a dog whistle for class collaboration which ends up with workers being fucked.

I don't agree with either.

What's more unifying doesn't make Marxist critique of capitalism invalid. We live in a time where it's more unifying what brand one chooses to consume or what TV someone watches.

So instead of analyzing the social relations that made then end up in these positions you subscribe to some ancient Jew magic? The reason Jews ended up in these positions is because it was forbidden for Christians and Muslims to engage on usury in the Middle Ages. There are plenty of other countries that don't have Jews, look at China. The majority of Chinese leaders are Han Chinese, even in provinces where Han are the minority. Does that mean there is a worldwide Han conspiracy?

Yeah the history of the West is truly the history of peaceful, loyal white men. I'm also not a Trotskyte so I don't give a fuck about abortions to the human race like David Horowitz. How do you explain that historically, many fucked up leaders also happened to be antisemites? How can they be crypto-Jews if they are antisemites? I think you are overly idealistic to think that a white person would not act devious or whatever when it's literally in his interests to do so, because it's HOOMAN NATURE to act in your own self-interest. Do you think all these "philanthropist" billionaires act generous because they are such good people, and not to increase their marketability? Again, to paraphrase Marx: Judaism is huckstering and usury - traits that get you far in capitalism. When people end up being "Jews" it's because the system rewards such traits, not because of Jewish "subversion". We have all become Jews since the last 100 years. We go shopping, we establish bank accounts with interest, etc.

What the fuck is Jewish about Marxism, you need to actually prove what's Jewish about it, that Marx's father was a Jew is not an argument because he was raised protestant.

You must be joking. Have you read about Adorno's critique of music? The guy hated Jazz.

they're not sending their best

God forbid they actually organize a raid… but they'd be too busy in a gas chamber of their own farts and concentrated THC.
Low effort is their lifestyle.

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It's important to know that Marxism retained this dialectical form of logic, which certainly has scholastic roots (and those have Greek roots etc. pp.) but is in essence materialist. Marx "turned Hegel on his head" as you probably know. It's not ideas or a "Weltgeist" that drive forward human history but the real, material conditions of our human existence.

I can't make my PhD because I'm in a communist party.

Obama named communism as a threat to the West, cunt. You probably have cognitive dissonance thinking that Obama, Merkel, the Koch brothers or whatever are Marxists. But of course, you don't know what Marxism entails so you think it means migration and unemployment benefits. Of course, denying the Holocaust probably gets you more in trouble than saying "hey I'm a Marxist-Leninist" but so does shitting on the street naked. Not an indicator for anything.

I push quite a bit on the weight bench. I'm not into martial arts but I keep fit and have a girlfriend. Whatever idiot.

Name one example.

Yeah industrializing in 30 years, defeating Germany, raising the living standard for everybody, no unemployment, no recession, what a failure. But at least we got Pizza Hut. I mean fuck, even the fucking DPRK does better than countries with the same GDP (compare Pyongyang with Rwanda).

Marxism views the enlightenment as progressive the same way bourgeois revolutions against feudalism is progressive but emphasizes that the liberal idea of "non violent tolerance" is idealistic. Capitalism came into existence through state-enforced violence, and so will socialism be a dictatorship of the proletariat the same way western liberal democracies are a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

All of Zig Forums hates each other and recently split into Zig Forums, we also have constant Zig Forums raids, so I don't think we are more of an echo chamber than Zig Forums, that's silly.

So you are an anarchist?, do you follow Max Stirner also known as the Chainsmoking Lord of Autists

Jews claim everything, they create nothing but plagiarised perversions of anything they encounter.

No, I'm a Marxist-Leninist, but that still doesn't change that countries are abstractions and states are enforcing class rule. Socialism is a dictatorship of the proletariat (Leftcoms disagree here) and communism will be stateless. Anarchists and Marxists disagree on how to get there. The state of antiquity enforced slavery (humans are owned), the medieval state enforced feudalism (land is owned) and the capitalist state enforces, well, capitalism (ownership of means of production).

Okay lets say you do get to be a stateless classless everythingless society, how will you defend yourselves from countries that see your comune as free land

So we're on the same side but you don't like cultural boundaries?

Im not the guy you are replying to.
But the idea is that the whole world becomes communist at once.
So there wouldnt be any capitalists remaining to exploit the communists lack of organization and leadership.

Communism can only be global. You are correct that a socialist country needs a state to defend itself. This is why it's still a "dictatorship of the proletariat" towards the capitalist encirclement, while the proletarian conditions is abolished domestically.

Cultural boundaries are fine by me but why would they be represented by borders? Check out Yugoslavia.

Not at once, but over time.
I mean a state is not equivalent with having leadership or even a government. I believe there will always be some sort of government, but when we say state we specifically mean the modern nation state with instutions like law-making, police force, ministries, rights, etc. the way it came up in the 19th century.

Communism is by definition stateless.
Maybe you arent a commie after all?

Yugoslavia, in case you hadn't heard, failed and no longer exists.

Again, a form of government is not the same as a state. For example, feudalism definitely had forms of government but barely a state in the modern sense. This is very semantic. At what point does a government cease to be a government? 100 directly democratically elected commune representatives on a council, is that a government? Probably yes.

Communism is an abstraction. Your criticism is pointless.

I'm not a market "socialist" so I don't approve the path it took, clearly it failed in that regard, but I was talking about it culturally, it united all kinds of nations and cultures and still had a sense of "socialist multi-ethnical patriotism". The USSR was made up of hundreds of ethnicities as well.

You can have a state without a government but not a government without a state.
So its still not real communism.

The problem with implementing communism is that you have to deviate from the definition of communism, then when it fails people say 'oh that wasnt real communism'.

Communism is a state of social relations. That's pretty real. A country can be anything, it describes a mythological idea first and foremost. Communism can of course also be an idea, but it's also describing a state of being.

Get a load of this brainlet.

How are social relations abstractions? How is a purchase in a grocery store in any sense an abstraction when I describe it as such?

Just lurk more then. Spoiler: porky's been the jew all along.

It’s a larp. Don’t fall for it, it’s meant to be an acronym, don’t fall for that either.

and i'd even say that whites *would not* do what kikes do to other whites, even to other races. sage because you're either fucking stupid or intentionally d&cing with your strawmen either way you have nothing to do here, communist piece of shit

Who’s porky?

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It's better to say it's abstracted, for "social relations" is a completely nebulous notion conveying nothing. Using an concrete example doesn't however support your argument because democracy, a form of governance which can only exist by the participation and acts of real people, is as well an abstraction.

It didnt unite shit, it repressed nationalism, that is not the same a uniting

Like pottery.

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Huh, that's interesting.
I'm still saging because it's my style.
Not surprising lefty can't come to any consensus. It was always the reason I never went there more than once. Especially since they can't form coherent sentences, or god forbid, arguments.

That's every discussion with a commie in a nutshell. They have to learn an entire wordbank of things that are partially this and partially that and use them as qualifiers. You're always discussing semantics and abstractions when challenging communist ideas because communism is inherently figurative because it is a jewish invention. Jews have whites build an unrealistic society, and that design only helps the jews.

For instance, you'll see commies both reject and accept the dictator role that communism requires and insist, "It's not the same thing! It's only kinda the same thing! See how communism can work?" The communist learns to argue like a jew; whereas a jew argues like that knowing he's lying while the communist advocates for his own enslavement.

Hahahahah.

Imagine frolicking around mirthfully and full of bliss and then falling head first down a ravine, not dying from it but getting stuck in the crack, just so you can really take in the fact that there is no escape and your death is absolutely unavoidable and inevitable.

That's the sensation you and your kind will feel when we unironically kill you in the most brutal ways for your life long treason and sabotage.
When realization dawns that it wasn't irony or memes but honest and pure actual disdain for your kind.

I just proved to you that it's very real by a concrete example, but keep playing semantics. Communism is also the abolition of democracy as a form of governance as we know it today. I agree that appeals to "democracy" are also an abstraction, as it originally just means "rule of the masses" which can be a lot of things.

Nationalism brought us the shitshow that are the Balkan wars. So I say all in all they did a good job repressing it.

I literally tried avoid debating semantics here but the other user really wanted to go down this road hard. Literally all I got in this thread is Jews Jews Jews and that Marcuse said something mean about reactionaries. The power of arguments I guess

I mean if you don't understand the differences between things and that not everything is the it's your fault really
Pinochet = bad
Stalin = good
These statements are not contradictory unless you are a faggot about it.

If constant race baiting, derailing, semantics and dishonest generalizations are truly Jewish, you are a Jew, because that's all Zig Forums did in this thread.

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You're an idiot. Reread what I wrote again.
Then, I guess democracy is too.

Have Zig Forums communists ever done that? If so, that's ridiculous.

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except that it was invented, spread, and installed entirely by jews?

Im definitely expecting more of leftypol to help Trump fight against porky this time around.

Last time they picked Hillary and a lot of them are embarassed about that.

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The way Marxism analyzes social relations is pretty real, democracy can be concrete too if you actually elaborate what you mean it.

Not to my knowledge.

And football was invented by Christians, so does that make football a Christian sport? Again, you actually need to prove what is particularly Jewish about Marxism - besides it obviously being wrong that communism was spread "entirely by Jews" or even had a majority of Jews historically. There were more Latvians in the Politburo of the USSR than Jews at some points, does that make communism a Baltic ideology? You single Jews out because you already are obsessed with them and ignore overrepresentation of other groups.

You surely know what you are talking about

You can't argue for communism or any of its other flavors without semantics or abstractions and the reliance of lofty speech. Here's you qualifying communism as real and a country as myth. You then qualify communism as a "state of being," as if that means anything of substance.

Since you can't accept the evils of jews, that is why you will defend the poison they make.

You just admitted you're in favor of communist dictatorship.

Again, you will never even slightly admit or hint that jews are bad because you rely on their poison.

You got called out, even indirectly, and it broke you down so much you can only resort to ad hominem.

Since when did you goons own colors. I thought we established this already.

You can give a concrete example of democracy at work just as you can give a concrete example of social relations; that does not make either not abstractions.

I still remember it like it was yesterday.

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