Or: Why do so few people smoothly transition to adulthood in the West? Or: why all the incels and hikkikomori? Historically, most societies had rites of passage in order to transition to adulthood. This delineated a clear line or boundary between childhood/adolescence (immaturity, dependence, naivety) and adulthood (maturity, responsibility, clear perspective). In pastoral and hunter gatherer societies this involved the killing of threats (e.g. a wolf) or bringing home a kill e.g. a wild deer. In agricultural societies this transition to adulthood may have been signalled by a year's successful harvest as a farmer or by being granted one's own flock of animals to tend. Various other rites of passage existed such as tests of endurance, religious events, weddings. One example of this was that trainee Spartans had to kill a helot (an enslaved farmer). The advantages of these rites were that they were explicit - in the sense that everyone knew of them and agreed that they were rites of passage - and that they were attainable to anyone who made a good effort (say about 80% of the male population) with failures being rejected by society (not necessarily a bad thing as long as the majority of men are given clear incentives and reasons to work - I'm not objecting to reject men per se but rather modern society's higher proportion of them). On the other hand, modern society has a rite of passage too, but it is implicit (no one in power addresses it directly), unclear) delimited with fuzzy boundaries), and unattainable for most. It comes in both male and female varieties, with some commonalities. Let’s call it "Chad and Stacy College experience". Broadly speaking the male version is to go to college, fuck sluts and whores constantly for 4 years, get an elite job, and then keep fucking sluts until about 30. You have to be a top 20% man to pull this off, leaving the rest as a mix of incomplete manchild trash: betas & bugmen (who play by the rules), and incels/mgtow (who reject the system). The woman's version is to go to college, fuck around with various top 20% chads until she is as close as possible to her sell by date, also get an elite job (thus depriving a man of said job), and then most crucially lock down a chad in a relationship. There is a bit more nuance to this one: most women can at least attend college and fuck chad, but most will never lock one down, especially since sexually successful men are the most redpilled about women. I'd estimate less than 10% of women succeed at this due to their inability to lock down chad. Note also how the two systems are not only unattainable for most, but mutually damaging to one another (no one who understands women will marry a slut). This is in stark contrast to old timey male-female rites of passage which were mutually supporting in different gender roles. As such, neither party can become an adult in a formal sense unless they won the genetic lottery (or in women's case had a very strong father figure), leaving the majority of both sexes frustrated, at odds with each other (jewish divide and conquer), feeling that they missed out, and generally alienated.
TLDR: Westerners no longer transition to formal adulthood because rites of passage have shifted from being explicit, attainable, and clearly defined, to being implicit, unattainable for most (due to 80/20 for men, and fucking outside their league for most women), and unclearly defined. The sexes' rites of passage are now a prisoner's dilemma in the sense that they are mutually exclusive. This kills a society long term.
Jews. PTTC, user. Gas the kikes, kill the whores, and restore our women.
John Green
I'm aware of who subverted the west(just one example here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_ethnicity), but what do you think of the premise? Is this at least partially a rites of passage problem (caused by jews)?
it begins with knowing what a boy is and what he must become, and what a girl is and what she must become. already you have a problem, with pozzed parents, marxist educators, distorted fairytales and degenerate role models, who disagree with all of the above. the resistance comes under the flag of 'toxic masculinity', the denial of biological origins of male behavior and its confusing immature assertiveness for aggression, psychopathy and 'misogyny'. treating mere male immaturity as criminal and pathological results in spiritless men out of touch and unable to fully tap into their masculinity. it's like punishing a young horse for doing horse things, because toxic equine culture taught it to be like that and not biology, then being surprised it's depressed and angry and won't let you ride it, bucking and kicking people.
to propose traditional rituals requires people to have traditional beliefs and values. you can't get them back to traditional beliefs and values unless you counteract the explicit antithesis to traditionalism, that being progressivism. you need to illustrate reality: what boys and girls are and are not, what they should be and what happens when they don't become what they should be. though, perhaps you can teach traditional beliefs and values through traditional rituals. nothing quite proves the value of courage like a team of courageous boys in a sea of sissies, or the grace and elegance of young ladies in a swamp of THOTS
I can't wait for Hitler 2.0 Probably a DACAryan if we're going with bloodline
Kayden Moore
Without instantly blaming the Jews, I have a reason.
Women are better at verbal communication with their peers. This is a fact, just as much as to say that men are stronger than women. Certainly not in all instances, but in general this is the case.
Enter technology.
We are entering a time period where media is taking hold of our lives in a big way. Kids these days grew up using AOL AIM to communicate. And shortly after began texting. The verbal communication between the sexes has deteriorated the more superficial the interaction. Finding a mate in the opposite sex is almost always a verbal affair. But Much of Humanity's interactions are becoming less verbal. So these skills are being lost. Not to mention that your life in the year 2018 can be jam packed full of nonsense. So much so that some people live their entire lives without a mate. This is sad.
Porn substitutes relationships video games substitutes real world accomplishments One's spare time is meant to be wasted away in frivolity.
You want to free the inner man? Give him purpose. Let kids play. Let them climb, and jump, and roar, and yell, and fight. Let boys be boys and FOSTER their competitive nature. Stop telling them they are bad for being boys. And stop telling girls they need to be anything other than girls.
The best way to emasculate boys is to deprive them of purpose. And you do this by forcing women into the workplace. Once you tell women they need to fill the roll that men filled as breadwinner you mess up the whole natural paradigm.
As a former Libertarian, I think life is best when women raise the children. This is as inherent a truth as saying the sky is blue. So many want to fight this notion, that stronk independant womyn are the future. But it is a lie. and female suicide rates are on the rise to prove it.
Never forget: One of Reddit's DEFAULT forums was (((Childfree))). That is an awful strange forum to be a default, ( in the same category as politics, gaming, TV, and movies)
Dylan Wood
Stopped reading there.
Grayson Green
Dumb century, dumb place and dumb people. Fuck white people.
Hunter Nguyen
So the gist is to not be an anti-social twat and get your kids outdoors as much as possible, with movies/vidya being in moderation and strictly a family thing (no fucking handhelds ever, pokemon is instant autism). Earl Nightingale's goal-focused philosophy backs up much of what you've said, and even just seeing the changes in my own psyche and mannerisms after setting some goals for myself I'd have a very hard time arguing against the man. On a side note, do you have any screencaps of (((childfree)))? It sounds like a tumor that grew sentient and detached itself from rk9.
Grayson Davis
Simply put, boys aren't made into men and digital entertainment and devices completely stunt young people's growth.
Thomas Sanchez
speak english you fucking faggot
Mason Wilson
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Luke Myers
One and done DNC faggots trying to fuck up this board.
Robert Cook
I think about these problems often as a father of young boys. I want to provide them with something goal-oriented, and I want them to have an explicit coming-of-age. But anything I do is likely to get an eye-roll from anyone hearing about it, if not open opposition. I don't know what to do without it coming off as sperging out.
I often talk to the wife about the page->squire->knight progression and how it gave boys something to emulate and look forward to, and lament our current culture's lack of something like it. She says, "well take them in the woods or something."
When I was about 8 and was learning to play chess, my father told me if I ever beat him he'd buy me whatever I wanted. And it became an obsession to learn the game. About a year later, I did beat him. He was shocked. He asked me what I wanted. I said the local science center (it was a giant science museum downtown). He laughed and said, I can't buy that but good job. I didn't really mind that I didn't get it, and was very proud that I finally beat my dad. This goal was good, but just scratched the surface of what I really craved. A challenge I'd have to work toward that would yield self-confidence, and pride from my family.
Any dadanons here have any links to where like-minded dads have come up with something modern that fits the bill?
My boys don't watch anything on a screen unsupervised, they pee outside, and they help me fix things. Maybe something like the chess-challenge but longer to attain and more physical?
No challenge in early puberty. Always coddled and protected by their parents. Never know how to interact with outhers based on personal experience and looking at others.
The idea of "free range children" in USA is repugnant. We call those just "children" here. And others that spend their days in front of screens we call badgers.
Dominic Campbell
Teach them, at the very least, the knightly martial arts of our ancestors. At the very least, learn to practice wrestling, dagger fighting, to fence with the sword, and then the staff.
If they so manage to learn the basics of these arts then you've done well.
Not a father yet, but I have had to essentially ask myself what it means to be a man. That is the curse, but blessing of our age. We get to define what it means to be a man, and then fight it in every aspect. Remember; the only thing that matters isn't money, fame, or power. It's about being an influential father. A man who sets the course for his family genetic line, and his family memetic line. If you do your job right, no man can ever truly destroy you. You will always live on.
With this in mind, what matters is not personal power or success, but how you provide for your children and wife. Thus, the rites of passage should center around this idea. How is he going to protect and provide for this goal? At the very basic level, this means hunting, fighting, and killing. Violence. A son who can fight, who has hunted (and butchered), and a son who can kill is what matters. The specifics are on you. What style of fighting will he learn, what he hunts and when. That's all on you. For me, learning to box and wrestle will work fine, combined with bow hunting and training with firearms and knives. A guy who can demonstrate proficiency at these skills can be considered a man
Kayden Lee
Otherwise, it's on the father to determine what is a valuable skill or not. Chess was a challenge my father laid on me as well, though I didn't learn the lesson I should have (despite beating him). It's important to understand that the relationship between father and son, while vital, should be informal and unrigid. This reflects life itself. You need to set a goal yourself to get those kids to achieve. When they achieve it, you can start to look at them like men, but they need to learn to prove themselves to others. Thus, comes another important lesson: never let them fall to peer pressure. Teach them that it is important to decide before acting, not to let someone else decide for them.
Dylan Russell
It's a forced meme honestly. Very few people are shut ins or even virgins the media is jus trying to force a image on you
Your wife's suggestion is a good one. Maybe take some survival/ranger courses together & any other necessary preparation, and go on a reasonably demanding backpacking trip to some spectacular part of a national park that's only accessible by foot, and where few people go.
Wyatt Williams
Check out Joseph Campbell's ideas on coming of age through facing adversity, with the aid of mentors.
