World War II

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

Did "defeating fascism" make this a noble and just war?

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Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

No wars are noble and just

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

What was the alternative?

Dominic Perry
Dominic Perry

I'm not saying there were any alternatives. Defeating fascism had (and has) to be violent, often times as violent as possible, even more so than what the nazis and/or japs did. It's obviously undesirable but it had to be done. Doesn't make it noble or just.

Kayden Howard
Kayden Howard

So was this the one war anti-capitalists didn't have to be anti-war against?

Daniel Perez
Daniel Perez

Would Smedley Butler have supported WWII?

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Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Did the American communist and socialist parties support or oppose WWII? Were they right?

Owen Adams
Owen Adams

Thing is, the anti-capitalists were attacked first. Stalin didn't want a war with anyone, but alas by being attacked by the nazis, the USSR had no other option than defending themselves.

Angel Lee
Angel Lee

From what I know, it seems at first they were against but when the USSR got involved they were for joining the war.

Grayson Walker
Grayson Walker

Putting aside your assumption that the USSR was run by anti-capitalists, what about the involve of other countries that weren't necessarily defending themselves like America?

Jonathan Fisher
Jonathan Fisher

Was fascism really defeated though? America was putting people in camps too.

Dominic Stewart
Dominic Stewart

How could it be when it was started by the fascist aggressors? Ending it and liberating Europe from the fascist blight was just and noble, which is what the Red Army did. The war itself was not.

Jackson Baker
Jackson Baker

Molotov-Rippentrov pact not being broken?

Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry

They were in the territories liberated by the Red Army. However, in the rest of Europe they were integrated instead.

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

over all yes

Camden Rivera
Camden Rivera

Did "defeating fascism" make this a noble and just war?

Did the vanquishing of the Gauls, with those that did not outright perish being hauled of as the prizes of war, make Caesar any less a noble and just son of Mars when he uttered the infamous veni, vidi, vici ?

James Thomas
James Thomas

Yes?

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

true but that's the case for any country involved in it. no matter what.

Wyatt Turner
Wyatt Turner

defeating fascism
he still thinks "they" won
Heh.

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David Martin
David Martin

defensive versus aggressive war
This is the key point. The fascists fired the first shots, directly onto home soil of every significant Allied power. You could argue that fighting for an unconditional surrender on all fronts may have been excessive, but you can't argue against WWII being noble and just, at least by the time things had degenerated far enough for the fascists to enter power.

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Jose Ross
Jose Ross

Putting aside your assumption that the USSR was run by anti-capitalists
Tf is this?

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

The NEP doth protest.

Nathaniel Turner
Nathaniel Turner

doth
? Either way, the NEP ended in 1928. The USSR was already socialist by the time WW2 started.

Angel Morgan
Angel Morgan

__LOL__

Jacob Parker
Jacob Parker

Class Was is not only noble and just, but also fully of glory.

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

idk killing Nazis seems pretty noble and just to me

Ryder Gonzalez
Ryder Gonzalez

The anti-capitalists were attacked first

No, because the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. This didn't benefit them in any way, it benefitted only Germany. It was a genius movement from them, as it delayed war in the USSR for as long as possible. Westerners couldn't deal with them being outplayed in diplomacy, and made the communism=nazism bullshit

Nathaniel Harris
Nathaniel Harris

a noble and just war?
Nobles are the people we line up against walls and shoot, so, in a sense, yes, I suppose.

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

I like the part where Mussolini was hung upside down and shot

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

Class War is not a literal war

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

the revolution is though

Cooper Edwards
Cooper Edwards

Yee, cause it freed the german working class and enabled them to organize again.
Also stopping the holocaust is enough of a reason in my book.

Jonathan Mitchell
Jonathan Mitchell

siege warfare is not a literal war

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Ian Perry
Ian Perry

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Justin Torres
Justin Torres

Yes, because trying to leapfrog from shoeless, assbackward feudalism straight into full communism is realistic and dialectical

Isaiah Harris
Isaiah Harris

What's your favourite thing about the anti-fascist crusaders fighting to save Freedom and Democracy from the fascist barbarism? Mine's this one
In April 1944, Joel Brand was summoned to the Judenkommando in Budapest to meet Eichmann, who was head of the Jewish section of the SS. Eichmann, with the approval of Himmler, charged him, with the following mission: to go to the Anglo-Americans to negotiate the sale of a million Jews. The SS asked in exchange 10,000 lorries, but were ready to bargain, as much on the nature as on the quantity of the merchandise. They proposed as well the freeing of 100,000 Jews – on the official acceptance of the agreement to show good faith. It was a serious business.
Unfortunately, if the supply existed, the demand didn't. Not only the Jews, but the SS had been taken in by the humanitarian propaganda of the allies! The allies didn't want these millions of Jews. Not for 10,000 lorries, not for 5,000, not even for none at all.
We can't enter into details about the misadventures of Joel Brand here. He left through t*rkey and languished in the English prisons of the near-east. With the allies refusing to “take the affair seriously”, doing everything to stifle and discredit him. Finally in Cairo, Joel Brand met Lord Moyne, the British minister for the near east. He entreated his to obtain, at least a written agreement for the release, which would at least save 100,000 lives:
<“And what would the final total be?”
<“Eichmann spoke of a million.”
<How can you imagine such a thing, Mister Brand. What can I do with this million Jews? Where can I put them? Who will receive them?”
< If the Earth hasn't any more room for us, there remains only for us to be exterminated." came the desperate reply from Brand.3
The SS had been slow to comprehend: they themselves believed in Western ideas! After the failure of Joel Brand's mission and in the midst of the exterminations, they tried again to sell the Jews to the Joint4, even depositing an “account” of 1,700 Jews in Switzerland. But apart from that, the matter was never brought to a conclusion.

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Robert Barnes
Robert Barnes

The destruction and loss of life from World War II functioned as a massive reset button on the world economy, kicking off a massive economic boom fueled by high profitability. The military Keynesianism of the allied powers likewise provided the stability and infrastructure to facilitate this boom, while keeping demand pent-up until the war had ended.

World War II must be thanked not just for doing in the excesses of fascism, but for saving global capitalism itself, and therefore sidetracking the global class struggle with social-democratic compromise and struggles of national liberation for a generation.

Aaron Young
Aaron Young

Ironically this in the most literal sense. After taking down the axis the US and Nato proceeded to instantly back stab the USSR to eliminate Marxist Leninism next.

Nathan Baker
Nathan Baker

Oh yea, it’s not like ussr was weak at the begging of war, and don’t get me started about the pre-wwii army. Soviets needed time to build war machine.

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