The incel is a strange case, and regardless of your opinion on reddit "red pill" types and MGTOWs it's plain to see that there is some larger agenda at play within the incel culture. I was once an incel in high school - back when newsgroups and ordering marijuana seeds from the dutch were the height of net culture and probably still would be if I didn't get sent a document called "How to make kool aid with x-tra sugar" by some guy i used to shitpost with in a beavis and butthead newsgroup.
Since then, there's been a rise in incel shit. I have to say that incels are not red pilled. Not "red pilled" but red pilled. There is a false red pill going around that preaches degeneracy and hedonism. Incels are not bad because they can't get laid - they're bad because they're failures at being degenerates and mad about it. It's one thing to decide to opt-out of modern society and doing so would likely result in a default state of "involuntary celibacy" unless you go full Varg and do it with a girl who shares your ideas about modernity.
But this group revolves entirely around the ideas of modernity. They fully intended to integrate into hedonist clown world and got pissed when they sucked at it, going to controlled counter culture brainwash like video games, porno, and various other forms of media that line the pockets of the people they supposedly resent. These communities thrive on negativity directed inward and 100% of the time devolve into shallow nit-picking and blaming both society and the self for the failure of the self. In a NatSoc society these people would likely face forced conscription or be sent to camps for being anti-social elements while their communities would be labeled subversive criminal organizations and raided by "chad" brownshirts.
Some faggots probably journalists think Zig Forums is filled with incel types when they couldn't be further from the truth. Zig Forums is full of National Socialists, some lolbertardians, and some alt-kike nazbol gangers. Most of these groups don't worry much about getting laid and are either proficient at it like degenerate lolbergs or espouse higher ideals. Some take a more Evola-esque route and engage in all forms of degeneracy possible to gain a better understanding of the spiritual climate surrounding said degeneracies.
pic related - the only incel on Zig Forums was the former mod imkampfy.
also reminder that Zig Forums is not a republican news aggregator with a comment section and that if this thread is bumplocked it's truly over. Zig Forums is a marketplace of ideas where the best rise to the top, if you think this thread sucks fucking ignore it.
if you want that other sort of content, go read drudge report and get high on paint thinner
Carson Green
As for the larger agenda - it's a mindsink of insane proportions. And endless string of misdirection and deceit, capturing anger and feeding it right back into modernity and degeneracy.
this is how the enemy operates, they control the opposition and create endless outlets that lead potential initiates into any direction other than "truth" - endless maskfaggotry. xenu is dead.
Liam Robinson
Nahh i get pussy, faggot
Ian Morales
no shit lad, most well-adjusted people do and most of the ideologies posted about here cater to well-adjusted people
Brayden Sanchez
What is this shit?
Jayden Wilson
Had to google the word incel. kek, incels
Josiah Wood
I would say they're most likely an attempt to limit our repopulation and expansion. Not in terms of the wider population I mean of chan culture. As we're always expanding and absorbing the malcontents and losers of society, showing them a better way. The kikes need a way to limit the potential for new people to find their way here. Incel "culture" does a good job of this as it keeps them locked in a hebrew approved mindset of degeneracy.
If you didn't come here in the first exodus, then fuck off, cuck.
Adam Wood
No, I think they are watching porn and playing video games 24/7. They are also degenerates, just different than the ones that are out fucking. If they were hitting the gym, running, watching what they eat, and maybe talking to people sometimes, they wouldn't be incels.
assmad horsefuckers lmao. you're just mad that imkikey is one of you.
they are failures at degeneracy - better to just generalize them as degenerate though.
instead of pushing them towards the true red pill, these communities push them towards media consumption and strange ideas about how they'll never get anywhere in life because lol predeterminism
incel is an apt term because these communities self-reference as such. it's okay to say "incel" just like it's okay to call degenerate homosexuals that dress like women "trannies" - the term is apt.
Ryan Harris
Nah, been on imageboards since 06 and you're wrong. /new/ and then Zig Forums have always been almost exclusively made up of disenfranchised young men who haven't been getting their cynical monkey cummies and see themselves as being rejected from modern 'degenerate' society. They think that if we could return to a more traditional, monogamous society, that they would be able to find a woman who'd have sex with them, as there would be far less competition when females aren't engaging in hypergamous behavior and the top 20% of men don't have control over the top 80% of women.
tl;dr - Zig Forums has always been majority incel.
Thomas Russell
that's where you're wrong kiddo
thanks for sageing your own thread btw
Ayden Martin
I'll start saging and shitposting your thread and report it if that what you want. Sorry I bumped it when everyone else sages and one guy spammed. I guess nobody needs to know about Incels.
sage is simply refusing to bump a thread. i'm not some reddit faggot that cares about being on page one all the time.
90% of what you say is true, but Zig Forums has not always been majority incel. in fact many of the people who oppose Zig Forums are incels. they are the goons. the degenerates who are shit at being degenerates. way back in the day, /b/ started attracting sick, sick people. they were sex-havers, masturbators, drug users, hippies, whackjobs who had strange beliefs about aliens etc. these people scared off all off j00t's goon friends and established the original culture of 4chan - "/b/ was never good" was uttered after snax wipied the board. It was the 51st post post-wipe.
you're still bumping fren. and shitposting is part of Zig Forums culture so I don't frown upon it. i shiggy diggy doo
Dominic Cook
Incels don't deserve to live if they cannot have the will power to become alpha Chads and believe they can keep their family in check. I think most men in life in the modern age will die alone. Either on the front lines or through suicide via drugs or anime.
The reason is complicated but I know it can be broken down into simple points. From what I want myself: white men need reason to look for white women to love without fear of losing everything in a divorce. They need white women to love in the first place. And they need the guaranteed means to support their families with food, medicine, shelter, and education to guarantee their offspring's success. If we can improve these things for the white man then the white incel will be a thing of the past. So far all of these things work for everyone unless your cis gendered white and male.
You can drag these boys to Nazi boot camp and indoctrinate them all you want, same with communist gulags, but you need to find a way to give hope to these men that will convince them to willing surrender their current freedom for a happier life.
My brother just went full degenerate and started HRT to transition genders. I'm expecting his suicide in five years. Give or take. So I'm witnessing the effects of the degenerate left before my eyes.
Adam Wright
to expand on "Zig Forums isn't incel" people who refuse sex because of a belief in higher ideals are not incels. there is nothing involuntary about rejecting degeneracy. you can be a virgin waiting for society to collapse and still be completely in line with Zig Forums's general gestalt
"incel" refers to people who partake in blackpilled communities and act like little bitches - thinking the reason they can't get laid is because their fucking eyebrows are two centimeters higher than "chad" eyebrows.
Zig Forums is Chad. rejecting sex because you believe in something higher than meaningless bonobo gangbangs is alpha as fuck. engaging in sex simply to understand the psychic climate of degeneracy is simultaniously alpha. the ideologies espoused here are for real adult human beings - not soyboy subhuman fucks that think that the driving force behind society's ills are not having a "model face" mind you, "model face" is driven by the jew and homosexual driven fashion industry. fashion used to be driven by athletes. Adolf Dassler never had a runway show
Nathan Williams
I agree, but I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The user who wishes he could save the white race by having a loving white wife and raising lots of white children, but is unable to find a woman to have sex with him is, by definition, an incel. Obviously the motivation is different from the goon who wants to engage in casual sex and hates women for not wanting to have sex with him, but they're both incels.
Colton Davis
tbh fam HRT isn't the end, if you can convince him to not cut his benis off he'll be able to get the hormones out. he can always inject test >t. injects test and strongly believes in modifying the human consciousness and body via drugs because it's fucking worked for me and turned me from a skinny weed-addled faggot to a a strong bodied and strong willed adult white man with an invincible ego
Incorrect. He is a product of the lacking nature of modern society and oversocialization. He is not blackpilled and is an alpha male living among soyboys. This user could fuck mullato tinder thots all night long if he felt like it, this user also has the will not to. This user is alpha, this user is a spiritual chad in the making.
You're thinking of "Incel" in a very narrow way that dismisses the incredibly negative direction that their communities have gone. There is fucking nothing involuntary about rejecting modern society and all the degenerate practices that come with it. Modern incels are people who want to enagage in sex/relationships yet are unable to and ascribe the meaning to said inability that it is a result of negative physical charictaristics
saying "fuck modernity, I refuse sex until society isn't fucked and I can have a wife and kids with some semblance off stability" isn't fucking involuntary. You could literally hit up thots tonight and get some, this is a choice you make, and making this choice makes you an alpha male and real adult human being.
Chase Lopez
I hate all media tbh, i survive off reading Mein Kampf, ISAIF, and various spiritual texts on repeat. And working out. Media is shit, all media.
It's the same as smoking chrystal meth. Meaningless time-sink brainwash. fuck media. even red pilled media, read shit and do some crunches you stupid nigger.
Justin Harris
checked
Robert Parker
Yiff in hell.
Samuel White
Incels are blackpilled user, they're basically saying looks determines everything which is mostly true. If you're a 10/10 chad you can do or say anything and women will still want your chad genes. If you have bad genes you're fucked because even fatties and uglies want chad and thanks to online dating will not settle for someone of similar looks. The reason for this isn't muh hedonism, its because marriage has been destroyed and women are mostly whores. Finding a virgin wife is almost akin to winning the lottery today. It's also normal to be sad about being a virgin, going to life assuming (mostly from experience) that you will never reproduce and that you're genetic trash is fucking depressing. Most incels would take this offer up in a heartbeat. Yeah and they call it coping. If you cant get a real woman then porn is the next best thing. Cant get a gf? A dating simulator is a nice coping mechanism. You haven't spent time around incels if you think this is true, shit like "lol just watch movies with strong female leads and ull get laid bro" is a common saying. They know clown world is fucked but they don't know what to do about it nor why they should care because they assume they wont reproduce anyway. The same can be said of imageboards user, maybe minus the self hate. I wonder why they dont wanna be natsoc when you'd literally throw them in a concentration camp for being unable to get a woman. Real fucking mystery. They don't care about this. Wanna know why virgin is an insult to men? It's because it literally means "you are genetic trash unworthy of reproduction." Same with women called slut "you are unreliable trash unworthy of a good male's genes". It's a shaming tactic, not a serious description you autist. When they say "Zig Forums is incels" they're telling the audience "look at these virgin faggots, you don't wanna end up like them do you? you want a gf and kids so listen to me instead (and get cucked)"
Hudson Johnson
I told him to try shit naturally first. He needs more testosterone to lose weight which will redistribute itself through exercise. Aerobics and HIIT is the way to go to optimize your body weight with speed. The goal is to make yourself agile where you can lift yourself. I get he injured his back, but there's hell of a lot more he CAN DO to lose weight and look good in drag without hormones.
That said what's your thoughts on trying to re-establish the nuclear family model where each working man has a wife and a big family? Or do you think that model is impossible and out dated?
Evan White
stopped reading there nice bluepill faggot you inject test but you don't like serotonin?
Angel Cox
Near impossible to reintroduce because most men actually believe womens sexual freedom means free sex for all men. The reality is the opposite, 80% of girls chase the top 20% of guys leaving the bottom 20% of girls for 80% of men. Tinder studies and OKC studies prove this is the case. If men realized that easy and constant sex = marriage to a virgin wife they'd go for it. Problem then becomes "who's gonna wife up the whores of this generation and how do we get men to refuse to date whores again?"
It's not crystal meth but its even more degenerate than crystal meth.
Nolan Wood
So in other words we are going to have to change the family model or take the rights away from women.
Sebastian Wood
Is that why people who are objectively bad looking "manlets" like charlie manson have been able to extert their will over others at peak hypergamous points in societies history? Agreed with you there tbh, any good controlled opposition movement will sprinkle in bits of truth with their ideology built on lies. I learned early on that nothing anyone says is truth and to verify that shit myself against the only objective truth that exists - natural law. except most white men aren't genetic trash. incels are being fed all this shit driven by the jew and homo dominated fashion industry that if they don't look like fucking Rick Owens they're fucked forever and will never lose their virginity. Read Evola. Read nihilistic philosophy. and study the will to power. You aren't genetic trash. I would too tbh, tfw no qt trad gf who wants to shack up in a cabin with me and wait out the happening any grills on Zig Forums can post in this here thread and fuck off innawoods with me any time btw So why not fight the system in any meaningful way they can? "chad" reproduces while others can create propaganda, spread ideas, start fucking cults, run for office, create media that espouses constructive ideals, etc. nah - incels just want to "lay down and rot" while niggers and degenerate run a train on society and they waste away dressing up as anime girls in VRchat and touching their assholes. the self-hate is my main qualm with incels. imageboards are largely truth-driven and abandon the concept of "self" imageboards can induce a form of ego death - and ego death opens the door to nihilist philosophy regarding the will to power. once there is no self there is no distinction between the self and god. I AM. I'd throw them in a camp because they reject the will to power, NatSoc ideology, racialism, and think that because their fucking eyes are tilted downwards that it's over forver and they might as well just watch chinese catroons and touch their dicks forever. plus, forced conscription is arguably a plus since working builds physique and character, I wouldn't be the man I am today if I hadn't had to struggle for it. They reject the struggle of life and deserve punishment for it. again, we agree on this. I don't really have a set agenda in this thread these are just my thought on incels. posters like you are highly welcomed and lead to my further developing an ideology regarding what drives and could possibly help "incels"
I hate to see my white brothers suffer at the end of the day tbh lads. We all deserve Valkyries manifest in the flesh to accompany our war-priest spirit.
Joshua Rivera
Anons may like to LARP as alphas who are 'just waiting for the right woman', but the cold reality is that they're essentially just "moral incels". True alphas have zero issue pulling any available woman, so there would be no waiting for the right woman.
I mean this as nice as possible, but it sounds like you might find yourself in that category, but are going through mental gymnastics to justify it. I feel for you, I really do, because if you lucked out and had 8/10 or better facial aesthetics, you'd already have your dream wife right now and be raising those white children.
Angel Watson
Not change, just go back to the classic. The nu-marriage of cuckery and polygamy don't work. Monogamy with at fault divorce does work. yup but this is impossible to do in a democracy where they vote, especially because constitutionally enshrined. Not a single leftist will vote to strip it from the constitution even if 100% of women ask them to.
Jonathan Edwards
Nuclear family is still too unstable. I desire perfection. Extended family is the only viable outcome. We must know our grandparents and potentially more than that.
Nuclear families are still too influenced by outside sources and can be corrupted. We need white tribalism and nearly nothing short of that will help society as a whole.
I rejected a woman tonight and have no issue finding girls. I have literally zero issue finding women, interacting with them, and bedding them. I took the Evola route for a while and eventually tired of it - finding it pointless.
Having to have a sailfoam for work still puts me "on the table" for most available women. Im completely unironically waiting for some construction workers to finish building on a plot of land I own in the Nevada desert and will attempt to find a woman to elope with after this act is done. I didn't come from a wealthy background so "bugging out" has been a long-time goal of mine I'm finally able to achieve.
Social skills are like a muscle - train it and you'll be able to impart more seemingly impossible goals. Tell some DYEL faggot to push a car to the bottom of his driveway - he won't be able to do it. Tell some oversocialized soyboy to bed a girl - he also won't be able to. My gripe with incels are that they're oversocialized cucks that are mad because they're shit at socializing and yet won't take the needed steps to improve because "hurr my forehead's too big"
Cooper Harris
The problem isn't that women can vote - in any "TRVE DEMOCRVCY" they should be able to. The problem is that democracy is a flawed system that leads to tyranny of the majority and a bunch of fucking psychopaths and pill-poppers running the government.
Gavin Long
This is projection on the part of men. We like pretty faces, and assume women do to. I'm an ugly mother fucker, being confident is worth far more than an pretty face. Have you ever considered that pretty face chad may pull chicks more because he is confident in his face, which doesn't matter to women? Misplaced confidence is still confidence, and that's what matters.
Carson Morris
Yeah, you can get women with money and status. Guess what, shitloads of money and status are really fucking hard to get. And natural law, the law of evolution, is obvious. Women want the best genes or the guys with shitloads of resources to ensure offspring survival. Women prefer genes over status because chad genes basically ensure reproductive success whereas resources are finite and do not guarantee this. I'm not an incel but have incel friends. My wife talks shit about him for his looks and is disgusted with his presence. He actively tries to pick up women and meet girls but it doesn't work. He can make guy friends easily but he just can't find success with girls and its due to his looks. Dudes is below avg in looks and has no chance. He's had 3 gf's due to some shit he was doing in a small community which got him a bit of fame but once that was done he's found no success. I truly feel for my bro, he's one of /ourguys/. Again, it's not usually kike media and shit that instills this mentality but their interactions with women. When you get hundreds of rejections, disappointment is natural. So you give advice that doesn't even work for you yet claim it works? You're in denial bro. The blackpill on women is unfortunately very real. The solution was male dominance in society and monogamy, if chad can't shack up with a harem and girls need men to survive they will marry the best man they can lookswise and ensure their reproduction which leads these lower end men to work for their family/society. By that logic why haven't you laid down your life for ideals and killed politicians? Nothing is stopping you from tracking and killing traitors like soros or hillary so why haven't you done so? Because your ideals pale in comparison to your will to reproduce. I'm not suggesting you commit a crime, don't get me wrong, I'm merely stating the truth: your ideals are nice but they will come second to your biological drive to have children. You can't expect people who want this more than anything to suddenly go full 1488 and do this. From their perspective your offer is "bro just help me change the fate of the US and several european countries, possibly fighting in a civil war to do so, just so you can maybe get a slight chance at pussy." Almost no one would take that deal. They wanna LDAR cause they have no viable alternatives. A guy like Eggman can't go to a bar and pick up girls, most women are repulsed when they see him so for guys like him LDAR is basically all they can do. If insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, why should they willingly submit themselves to insanity? My friend does it because he knows he needs to have kids to raise properly in a trad houehold but he's frequently severely depressed as he consistently fails. And the truth is many men throughout history failed to reproduce, many incels are genetically on par with those men (lookswise or statuswise), they have failed consistently in getting women for years of their lives and likely will not get to reproduce especially as the number of males that go without sex has increased to around 18% and marriage has been destroyed. They reject the call to power because you cannot offer them the only thing they want. If you'd throw the downtrodden in camps don't expect to make an ally of them. Any incel reading this will tell you to fuck right off, some may even say just shoot them since they're too concerned for family to kill themselves. When everything seems hopeless it's natural to reject the struggle of life. A rabbit in the jaws of a wolf won't struggle, but instead will pray for a quick death. If you want to inspire incels you need to give them hope, our hope lies in a better tomorrow, they don't have that luxury. We don't always get what we deserve, and that's an unfortunate truth of life.
Luke Price
So we establish an autocratic dictatorship ruled by a single individual, family, or political party? By your logic as long as the majority population can vote the parasites will always worm into rule.
Nuclear family is a phase that would have led to extended family whom were destroyed in the great war. With the system as is there is no way to set up an extended family system without some system that restricts one sex's rights. And with the way society is going naturally it will be the men who will lose. A single male can impregnate multiple partners while women can only carry one baby at a time from one partner.
My fear is that society will one day abolish the family unit in favor of women picking and choosing from the best stock of bulls. Meanwhile the men who do not have these favorable features women want will be left out of the gene pool. Unless the miracle instance gene splicing becomes a reality then these incel men can simply donate their genetic code at the expense of waiving their legal right to reproduce because their genetic code copyright now belongs to the company they surrendered to. I doubt things will go to this extreme. But you never know with Jews.
I need to clarify the spoiler. The cartoon nightmare scenarios I never thought would happen in Sci Fi are unfolding before our eyes. And science fiction always have some basis in a possibility that could be scientifically possible at the time of writing.
Justin Wright
lolno. The basic unit of a society is the family unit, not the individual. Each family should get one vote afforded to the man, women voting just means she doubles yours or cancels it out. This introduces a fracture point in the family that was never an issue beforehand and was exploited to move men and women away from each other. That too.
Benjamin Stewart
Nah. Google Jeremy Meeks.
John Jenkins
Women don't just want pretty faces. They want wealth, fame, and social status too.
Justin Perez
with 6.2 billion humans on Earth, let's be realistic. the odds of any one of you impregnating a Pure Aryan tradwaifu who gives birth to Adolf Jr or Isaac Newton Jr or Archimedes Jr are cosmically impossible odds. (i know, i know–that line of thought is a common kike doom black pill to trick you goy to cease reproducing, while your new neighbors Muhammad and Mustafa and Pajeet and Chapo each squat out broods of over a dozen niglets.)
i think everyone has causes of the Incel phenomenon backwards. this quote by Alduous Huxley condenses it down into one sentence.
If you think that there are no incels in dissident political movements, then you are deluding yourself. And for a good reason: an average male in 2018, is just isn't good enough for a potential gf/wife. Any woman has easy access to sex; more often than not she will use it just to stir up shit. Even Hitler himself was an incel in his Vienna days. Hard times create great men.
