Cosmetics Industry as capitalist waste

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

The epitome of waste from financial mercantism is the cosmetics industry. Using tons of oil a year to produce unnecessary products to satisfy one sex’s self-perception is an unspeakable waste. The clothing industry is another example. Do you know how much the lesser sex spends on clothes and cosmetics per year? It would make you vomit.

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Henry Brown
Henry Brown

Be careful not to conflate luxuries with waste, I agree that the underhanded marketing and lack of regulation in the make-up industry are a disgrace, but we don't want to get rid of makeup or any other "useless" thing that the consumerism aspect of capitalism appears to pump out.

Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

50% of people will understand what you just said.
The other 50% are women.

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

hot take
makeup looks bad
almost everyone looks better the less makeup theyre wearing (ideally none)
its bad for your skin
its expensive
its not sexy
its just used as a way for women to compete with each other

if your face matters so much spend that money on skincare at least

Jack Carter
Jack Carter

lol are you retarded or being intentionally divisive because you don't want girls in your secret club

the entire cosmetic industry is an incredibly minor fraction of any countries production or use of oil that is completely eclipsed by transportation, mining, logging, power generation etc.

you should be critiquing the wastefulness of shipping half baked products back and forth across the ocean to cut labor costs and fuck over the worker not bitching about someone elses hobby that has no meaningful effect on you

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Eli Rodriguez
Eli Rodriguez

Women purchase makeup as conspicuous consumption for other women. Did you know that men find women without makeup inherently more attractive than without makeup? It’s literally to impress other women.

Brayden Cox
Brayden Cox

Fucking christ can you faggots keep your whining to the containment thread.

Ryan Roberts
Ryan Roberts

found the feminazi

Nathaniel Martin
Nathaniel Martin

Feminism and fascism. Should we call it femscism or feminascism?

Josiah Cox
Josiah Cox

spend that money on skincare
You mean spend that money on the creams made from baby foreskins?

Blake Diaz
Blake Diaz

Daily reminder that women circumcise their faces with nose jobs and rat saliva (Botox) because they want to impress other women.

Landon Ward
Landon Ward

What about all the animals China is driving to extinction because of their superstitious aphrodisiac bullshit?

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

wow so brave yet so controversial

just what this board needs, another women-hate thread.

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

Dude it's totally not woman hate, it's like, you know, a Marxist critique of the consumption habbits of "the lesser sex". There's no way the superior sex would ever spend excessively on clothes or other accessories.

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Leo Harris
Leo Harris

There's no way the superior sex would ever spend excessively on clothes or other accessories.
Clothing does not count as it is something all sexes use, the cosmetics industry as a whole is something women predominantly use, even on channels run by gay men like Jefree Star and James Charles or whatever, their entire audience is composed of women. Not one man. Statistically men spend more on clothing but spend nothing on cosmetics. Before you bring up accessories, most men aren't rich enough to spend money on watches, or jewelry. Or at least I haven't found anything noticeable from anyone I've seen but maybe that's because I don't pay enough attention and only really go to the gym and poor areas.
Speaking of what about weights.
Ignoring the fact that women lift too, weights literally are a tool used for labor which translates to looks. They factually cannot be counted as a cosmetic or accessories.
The one thing I can think of that could barely count as an accessory that me and other men spend money on is protection gear and armor for sports or fighting.
The difference is that protection does not correlate with cosmetic once again due to the fact that it's use is different from a cosmetic.
Cosmetics has no purpose other than to hide the faces of women. It does nothing but promote a lie and devalue actual labor women have put into looking good by letting any two bit whore put on a fake skin mask and 38 layers of make up to make herself look 16 again. Cosmetics are not only wasteful, but immoral, and are the epitome of capitalism.

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Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

men and women spend equal money on make up and jewelry and clothes
ur full of shit m8, im a stereotypical manly man who works construction, has a beard, broad build and the muscles and i have:
never bought any cosmetics
never bought any jewelry
almost never bought any clothes either, i got my steel reinforced construction boots from the bosses and they also bought 90% of my work jumpsuits, overalls, pants and jackets which i actually wear around as my casual clothes too, ive set aside a pair that is clean from all the cement and rust and sand and lime and tears, and i just wear these work clothes i do not work in

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

OP brought up clothes first.
And I have no idea about the rest of your shitpost. I didn't bring up weights.
The one thing I can think of that could barely count as an accessory that me and other men spend money on is protection gear and armor for sports or fighting.
What about smartphones, fancy cars, restaurant visits, expensive sunglasses? And today's gamer kids needing flashy 300$ keyboards designed to play fortnite
men and women spend equal money on make up and jewelry and clothes
Not what I said and don't care about what you buy. I have not spent money on clothes and shit like that for probably 10 years, but what I personally do has no relevance to this discussion. Anecdotal evidence is no good for anything.

Jacob Smith
Jacob Smith

Tankie is a feminazi. Why am I not surprised? Combat feminism.

Eli Morris
Eli Morris

There's a containment thread where you can post shit like this all day, but you're too retarded to use it.

Landon Hernandez
Landon Hernandez

What exactly was "femnazi" about my post? Not mindlessly hating women isn't feminism.

Hunter Roberts
Hunter Roberts

criticizing women is the same thing as mindlessly hating women.
How anti Semiti– I mean misogynist, oy ve– I mean OMG. Why do men persecute me so?

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Criticizing women for something that is not exclusive to women while calling them "lesser sex" is a sign of misogyny, would you not agree?
If OP had just kept it about bashing the cosmetic industry then sure, whatever, still a classic sign of dumbfuckery, being mad about unethical business practices when we as Marxists should be concerned about the exploitation of workers, not consumers.
I truly wish I didn't have to be the feminist of this board, I wish I could read and post about communist theory, but this board doesn't allow for any of that. Half the posters are nazbol idpolers thinly veiling their misogyny. Really just look at this thread, do you see a critique of the cosmetic industry or do you see a critique of women's consumption habbits? What do think pushed OP to make this thread?

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

Oh hang on I didn't see your other posts let me respond to that first.
What about smartphones,
Tools used by both sexes.
fancy cars,
Literally no one that isn't a bourgeoisie regardless of sex will buy that.
restaurant visits,
Usually paid for by men for women
expensive sunglasses?
I've never spent more than $5 on sunglasses, and that was in Miami where me and my family needed them for protection. Cosmetics are not protection.
And today's gamer kids needing flashy 300$ keyboards designed to play fortnite
Tools deflect aesthetics. Therefore it ultimately does not count either. Statistically the cosmetics industry is still something only women use and support. Therefore it makes sense to call out only women. Most men don't buy make up. The average woman does. Most make up and cosmetics have no protective properties and cannot be used as tools besides maybe those small flip mirrors.

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Jose Thompson
Jose Thompson

100% true. All these women who are like "but everyone thinks something is wrong with me without makeup and you will think i'm ugly without it" like it's an actual excuse for it just show how fucking entrenched this industry is in the lives of women.

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

if you want to tall about theory and praxis instead of crying about muh roasties you're a feminazi
Chans were a mistake

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Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

ok im gonna say it! im gonna say it! im gonna say it!! here i go!!

women are inferior workers and shallow human beans
it is empirically, measurably and demonstrably true that women have lower bone density, muscle mass and lung capacity
inb4 hurr durr anecdotes
ok fine, lets remove all the anecdotes by focusing solely on the olympic tier powerlifters
female olympic tier powerlifters basically lift as much as untrained talented 15 year old boys
biopsy also reveals women are inferior at the measurable things ive mentioned
there is a reason you have male/female categories in boxing, and all the sports, women would get turbo extra hyper ultra wrecked if they competed against men

women cant compete with men when it comes to coal mining, construction, military or anything labor intensive
they are biologically equipped to take care of children and are inferior to men to everything else
AND THAT IS A FACT

Grayson Brown
Grayson Brown

Literally no one that isn't a bourgeoisie regardless of sex will buy that.
Come the fuck on. A fancy car is THE status symbol for a lot of men, and a lot of women will simply not date a man who doesn't have a fancy car. Dumb consumers like to be fancy and have the things that society says is fancy. They imitate the behaviors of the rulling class.
Usually paid for by men for women
I doubt very much that most restaurant visits are dates. And even if they are, that doesn't change anything. Men spending money to attract women through consumerism.
I've never
Don't care.
Statistically the cosmetics industry is still something only women use and support.
Wrong, 21% of men use beauty cream, and while the cosmetics industry for men is quite small compared to women, it has seen insane growth over the past two decades, and will likely continue to grow.

Matthew Diaz
Matthew Diaz

Come the fuck on. A fancy car is THE status symbol for a lot of men, and a lot of women will simply not date a man who doesn't have a fancy car. Dumb consumers like to be fancy and have the things that society says is fancy. They imitate the behaviors of the rulling class.
So you're telling me that 84% of men own Ferraris? Show me yours and your neighborhood Mr. Not Porky. Post your address too. Cosmetics are different for that very reason.
Media≠Statistics
I doubt very much that most restaurant visits are dates. And even if they are, that doesn't change anything. Men spending money to attract women through consumerism.
I've never seen a man anywhere in the world go outside to a restaurant without a group or woman. The average person goes out to eat for a party or as a status symbol to show off with models or girls for bourg. Once again not the same thing. If someone goes alone and does so to eat, then it's very likely that it's because they need to eat and can't cook and it's probably cheaper. Not for aesthetic reasons. McDonald's and other places don't counts.
Don't care.
Good argument.
Wrong, 21% of men use beauty cream, and while the cosmetics industry for men is quite small compared to women, it has seen insane growth over the past two decades, and will likely continue to grow.
Hold on, the fuck.
Where?
Where did you get those statistics?
How can I ousts this 21% of men in the street so I can assault them for their crimes against humanity?

Carson King
Carson King

So you're telling me that 84% of men own Ferraris? Show me yours and your neighborhood Mr. Not Porky. Post your address too. Cosmetics are different for that very reason.
Christ, please contain your assmad. I don't even have a driver's licence, I've used public transportation all my life.
I've never seen a man anywhere in the world go outside to a restaurant without a group or woman.
I don't think you understand my argument at all. I'm saying that dumb consumerism is everywhere, and targeting women for specific consumer products aimed at women, while it theoretically can be an honest endeavour, is clearly used on this shitstain of a board for the specific purpose of calling women out for being inferior consumers. Men buy dumb shit too, like fancy dinners for WHATEVER purpose.
To sum up; the rulling classes have been dividing people up on arbitrary grounds for ages, men and women in particular for different reasons, in modern times it is being done to sell products. A REAL man buys this and that, and a REAL woman buys this and that. The cosmetics industry has hiterho been targeting women, but pioneers in the cosmetics market have done a lot to gradually include men with MANLY beauty products.
Where did you get those statistics?
From the University of Halmstad School of Business and Engineering
diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:238020/FULLTEXT01.pdf
How can I ousts this 21% of men in the street so I can assault them for their crimes against humanity?
I think your priorities are misplaced.

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Connor Morales
Connor Morales

assmad
It was a joke lad. There are no porkies here only FBI agents.
I don't think you understand my argument at all. I'm saying that dumb consumerism is everywhere, and targeting women for specific consumer products aimed at women, while it theoretically can be an honest endeavour, is clearly used on this shitstain of a board for the specific purpose of calling women out for being inferior consumers. Men buy dumb shit too, like fancy dinners for WHATEVER purpose.
To sum up; the rulling classes have been dividing people up on arbitrary grounds for ages, men and women in particular for different reasons, in modern times it is being done to sell products. A REAL man buys this and that, and a REAL woman buys this and that. The cosmetics industry has hiterho been targeting women, but pioneers in the cosmetics market have done a lot to gradually include men with MANLY beauty products.
dumb consumerism is everywhere
Yes but in the case of cosmetics it's 80% women who participate in the industry and it's an unjustifiable industry as a whole.
I am anti protein powder for being un-nutritional garbage being marketed as meal replacement. I need to admit that 80% or more of people who use protein powder are male and as such need to address them as males. I need to explain why the protein industry is bad why it won't help them and how capitalism is the root cause of this and hoe it deters them from true gains. In that same manner we need to address women as being the main cause of the cosmetics industry.
That's all I can say for now.

Eli Murphy
Eli Murphy

The only reason it grows is because faggots like you encourage narcissistic, homosexual tendencies! Trannies as well. Trannies are just dudes with makeup and long hair.

Camden Jones
Camden Jones

But ur mum gay tho.

Juan Stewart
Juan Stewart

their entire audience is composed of women. Not one man. Statistically men spend more on clothing but spend nothing on cosmetics. Before you bring up accessories,
holy shit who gives a flying fuck let people like what they want

this is literally boomer tier muh iphones are crashing the housing market.

get some fucking perspective

Jordan Gomez
Jordan Gomez

one sex’s

it’s all women’s fault

This

Sebastian Clark
Sebastian Clark

women are inferior workers and shallow human beans

it is empirically, measurably and demonstrably true that women have lower bone density, muscle mass and lung capacity

is this race realism but for women?

Are you really blaming the individual for succumbing to the environmental pressure they were raise under?

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Kayden Carter
Kayden Carter

Uh, you could just use regular moisturizers like someone who's not a cannibal savage. That and wearing sunscreen to cut back on sun damage. There's a pretty good amount of skin care that (mostly white) people don't do because they don't know about it.

Most of the bourgeois women who play the lioness in a fight against ‘male privileges’ would, once in possession of the suffrage, follow like meek little lambs in the wake of the conservative and clerical reaction. Indeed, they would surely be far more reactionary than the masculine portion of their class.
t. Rosa Luxemburg
There are stupid consumerist behavior for both genders. Women are not above criticism. They're people too. More accurately, women's gender roles are not above criticism unless you're a misogynist.

Brandon Evans
Brandon Evans

there are no racial differences
there are no sexual differences
there is nothing but environment
In that case I wish you hadn't been raised in an environment that produces fools.

Cameron Reyes
Cameron Reyes

I don't see how this contradicts anything I said.

Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

if i cherrypick the outliers, female olympic powerlifters will outlift the males
im 12 and what is this? biology dont real? that it? hurrr duuurrrrr biology dont real for you?

here's a thing to google:
elementary school biology
sexual dimorphism
sexual dimorphism in humans (start from here i guess en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism)
effects of testosterone in the womb
effects of estrogen in the womb
effects of testosterone in the early child development and adolescence
same effects for estrogen

etc etc
you illiterate fucking retard

Isaiah Bailey
Isaiah Bailey

Are you really blaming the individual for succumbing to the environmental pressure they were raise under?
Oh god, don't use this shitty argument. Sex differences are very real and biologically based (adhering to gender roles is a different matter). Women aren't socialized to have lower bone density. Their bones are under much more stress because of menstruation and hormonal differences that make it harder to calcify bones. There are all sorts of fascinating and complex sex differences like this, but the point is that they don't make men or women different enough to matter in the grand scheme of things. It might affect the ends of the bell curve or with direct competition in athletics, but it doesn't make someone more or less fit for the great majority of work, at least not to any significant degree.

But even if it did - even if women truly were physically weaker or otherwise "inferior" to men - it shouldn't matter on the question of whether or not they are equals in terms of how society treats them. Is an olympian more equal than your average person? Is a cripple less equal? This is where the logic leads if you grant the premise that physical difference should relate to someone's personhood. Don't do that.

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Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

'scuse me but reality of the situation absolutely is that a cripple is less valuable than an olympian
as long as the abundance of resources exists we might treat both of them equally, but if we all crashed on a deserted tropical island and some of us ended up crippled, or in case of a war where you are physiologically unable to carry a 20 kilos heavy machinegun up hill for 2 days without sleep because you are a woman…
you would utterly and absolutely be left behind to die on your own because gravity and the natural/physical world carries on as usual and doesnt give a shit about your feelings

imagine fascists rounding up and killing people who arent card carrying fascists, do you think you get a pass just because you are crippled?
imagine a near starving wolf pack, do you think you get a pass just because you are a woman?

Isaiah Evans
Isaiah Evans

if we all crashed on a deserted tropical island
Anyone marvel at how these sorts of scenarios are so broadly favored in the arguments of rightists (especially the more insane sects, like ayncrap lolberts) precisely because they bear so little resemblance to the reality of human civilization today?

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Nathan Morris
Nathan Morris

as excellent way to dodge the point of the post and knock down a strawman

if you go by the marx's very own labor theory of value, an olympian can perform more socially necessary valuable labor than a cripple can
an average man can perform more labor than an average woman can

and finally not all workers are born equal, some can figure out advanced math required for advanced aeronautical engineering, composite alloy fiber materials, some can design radio absorbing stealth (ram)jet fighters and bombers
some can just clean toilets or carry food from kitchen to the table

not all workers can perform the same labor
further reading: cognitive development in humans, biology, etc

Gavin Sanders
Gavin Sanders

lack of physical strength means you can't contribute to society
go back to the gym

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

Differences may include secondary sex characteristics, size, weight, color, markings, and may also include behavioral and cognitive differences.
cognitive differences
COGNITIVE DIFFERENCES
C O G N T I T I V E D I F F E R E N C E S

on a scale from 1 to illiterate how illiterate are you?

Parker Rivera
Parker Rivera

But none of this actually matters, due to the fact that everyday life in modern civilization is primarily intellectual or only lightly physical, and the tremendous productivity of labor means that a large number of mostly or completely unproductive people are trivially supported on a temporary or permanent basis.

The days of physical power staving off death for dwindling bands of feral nomads are long past.

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Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

we live in a society (lol) that is primarily intellectual
therefore intellectual differences in individuals dont matter

i think you are wrong
the unproductive and counterproductive "workers" should be removed, not encouraged
you are right when you say we do not need large swathes of the population but i dont get why do you proceed to "we dont need em, lets just keep em"

here is what we should do:
provide for all children equally for 20 years, give them all a legitimate and fair opportunity to go to school and if in those 20 years they fail to become doctors/engineers, sorry but fuck them
resources arent unlimited, so why should the human population be? dont you see how unsustainable your opinions are?

you are just going to overcrowd everything with retards in the end, why???

Evan Myers
Evan Myers

That is why we’re trying to get a better world, Mr. Rightwinger

Noah Brown
Noah Brown

It is you negress.

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

but i dont get why do you proceed to "we dont need em, lets just keep em"
And I don't get why you say "we don't need them, let's just kill them". Where is the big problem in having unproductive people when we don't need everyone to be productive? Why do we need a billion doctors and engineers?
resources arent unlimited
Yes they are. Everything humans need to survive can be reproduced on a massive scale using nothing but free energy like solar and wind. We just need to reorganize our economy towards communism.
dont you see how unsustainable your opinions are?
Don't you see how unsustainable the idea of having your kids potentially put to death for not passing the Autism Level barrier for citizenship? Should we also get rid of all old people who can't work anymore? What even is the fucking point of transcending a capitalist economy built on scarcity if not to use the increased productivity to care for everyone and reduce the workload?

You make me pretty mad tbh.

Jayden King
Jayden King

tbh
The discussion in this thread is rapidly devolving and I don't like it.

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Benjamin Allen
Benjamin Allen

you misunderstand

the world isnt some happy funtime rainbows place, 99% of all life on this planet that ever lived went extinct
when the next meteor strike, hyper super ultra virus: mega edition, aliums, energent crisis, whatever really, when the next big crisis happens, do you want to have a whole lot of double digit tism lvls around or do you want productive problem solvers around, or do you want a capitalist world where the few rich pray on the dumb with fast food, porn, cosmetics, fashion and sports industries?

the only proven way to eliminate stupidity and poverty is to go to the root source and eliminate the poor and the stupid
then we can have socialism

you read these weird japanese comics from right to left, right?

Charles Martinez
Charles Martinez

Yes.
Also it's not weird it's bizarre.

Julian Ward
Julian Ward

Wait a minute.
the only proven way to eliminate stupidity and poverty is to go to the root source and eliminate the poor and the stupid
then we can have socialism
Okay this thread has officially entered bait derailment territory, everyone evacuate.

Liam Stewart
Liam Stewart

99% of all life on this planet that ever lived went extinct
And none of that life was like humans.
when the next meteor strike, hyper super ultra virus: mega edition, aliums, energent crisis, whatever really, when the next big crisis happens
What the fuck who fucking cares. This is out of our control, economy is not.
do you want to have a whole lot of double digit tism lvls around or do you want productive problem solvers around
One doesn't exclude the other.
the only proven way to eliminate stupidity and poverty is to go to the root source and eliminate the poor and the stupid
Where has this been proven?

John Long
John Long

humans are some magical beans independent of the material world
'no'
material world is out of our control
'no'

how is it bait? just today in front of me at the store there was this lowlife in the neighborhood who constantly stinks like booze, is on welfare and does nothing but puke in public, gets drunk, picks fights, does nothing with his life other than make life harder for everyone else around him, i saw him pissing on the street in front of my house multiple times

some honest worker is producing his welfare, why should the rich who parasite on the working class be punished but these lowlife scum who also parasite the working class not? if we had a soviet system he would get 40 years in a uranium mine, as he fucking should

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

how is it bait? just today in front of me at the store there was this lowlife in the neighborhood who constantly stinks like booze, is on welfare and does nothing but puke in public, gets drunk, picks fights, does nothing with his life other than make life harder for everyone else around him, i saw him pissing on the street in front of my house multiple times
some honest worker is producing his welfare, why should the rich who parasite on the working class be punished but these lowlife scum who also parasite the working class not? if we had a soviet system he would get 40 years in a uranium mine, as he fucking should
Didn't we just have a thread on this less than a week ago?
I saw him pissing on the street.
Normal.

Zachary Kelly
Zachary Kelly

humans are some magical beans independent of the material world
Nice strawman
material world is out of our control
Nice strawman

Epic discussion, thanks.

Anthony Taylor
Anthony Taylor

in the developed and industrialized societies, thanks to the machines and computer control, these individuals CAN NOT even perform any socially necessary labor, therefore according to the first few chapters of marx these people cant even quality as workers, because they cant even perform any socially necessary labor

in other words, these people have become parasites and should be purged out of society together with the capitalists

Lincoln Adams
Lincoln Adams

and should be purged out of society together with the capitalists
These people should be helped and elevated, you should be sent to gulag.

Joseph Garcia
Joseph Garcia

Nigger you should be gulaged more than anyone here.
in other words, these people have become parasites and should be purged out of society together with the capitalists
Labor will always exist even when it is no longer labor.

Robert Adams
Robert Adams

No u

Luis Roberts
Luis Roberts

Fight me.

James Myers
James Myers

can you socialize aligators to do complex analysis partial equations? why not?

i seriously dont understand this retarded wishful thinking, with all due respect
WHO is going to do this impossible work? who is going to pay for it? who is going to finance this turning useless retards into geniuses? who is responsible for this? why was this never done before?
YOU CANT HELP THESE PEOPLE WITH YOUR FEELINGS!

i honestly dont even understand what you said, something either is or isnt x
if we clearly define labor according to marx, then we know what labor is, and over half of society is slowly phasing out of the working class

medieval basket weaver WAS a working class man, but today basket weaving is no longer a socially necessary labor, industrial engineering can spin a hundred meters of fabric in a 5 square meter factory, and output a 100 baskets per hour, removing the medieval basket weavers out of the socially necessary labor and the modern working class

Brayden Hill
Brayden Hill

Labor was different every time mop changed. In a post scarcity society labor will mean something different as well even after labor "labor" is obsolete.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

but resources ARENT unlimited yet
which makes them scarce
which makes their misuse and wasteful unresponsible spending an existential threat because those resources could have been put to a better use such as getting to socialism

Mason Lewis
Mason Lewis

can you socialize aligators to do complex analysis partial equations? why not?
Are you actually retarded?
WHO is going to do this impossible work? who is going to pay for it? who is going to finance this turning useless retards into geniuses? who is responsible for this? why was this never done before?
Where did I ever imply they needed to be turned into geniuses? Why can you not imagine a world where not everyone is the same? It is possible to have smart people and stupid people living in the same world. It is possible to have smart people do smart people work while dumb people do dumb people work, or even no work at all. If society can run smoothly with the input of very little manual labour, then hurray, yes?

Brayden Gray
Brayden Gray

by your logic, why is it then impossible for the capitalists and the working class to live together? why even have any political opinions? why even want to do anything?

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

Did you know that men find women without makeup inherently more attractive than without makeup?
[citation needed]

Alexander Phillips
Alexander Phillips

i dont get why do you proceed to "we dont need em, lets just keep em"
What reason is there to believe "we" don't need "them", who exactly fits into which group when, and for what exact purposes? How would the effort of constantly discriminating against and disposing of people require less effort that the pittance of sustaining them, and would this even be effective rather than worsening the problem? What about the sentimental value of friends, family, retirees, etc., versus the psychological effects on society of becoming excessively callous and cruel?

I'm not saying differences don't matter, or even arguing against meritocracy (especially in specific contexts).

I'm urging you to think on the level of modern industrialized human civilization built upon specialized division of labor, as opposed to outmoded parables more suited to dumb primordial beasts of the field than men.

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Dominic Gutierrez
Dominic Gutierrez

but what about the sentimental value of capitalists
do you even hate capitalists? according to marx capitalists are bad because they are
1) useless
2) they take away from the working class
how is professional welfare class, or people performing socially unnecessary jobs any different???
who is we
the working class
who is them
the useless people, capitalists and unemployable, technologically/mathematically illiterate people who cant contribute anything to the modern workforce and economy, who do nothing useful, and who have no military capacity to defend themselves anyway because of how utterly useless they are in all spheres of work and life, people who are alive just because its illegal to kill them, people who slip through the cracks of this huge and inaccurate stereotype and generalization that "all life is sacred"

Jordan Lopez
Jordan Lopez

by your logic, why is it then impossible for the capitalists and the working class to live together?
Capitalist vs worker is not comparable to smart vs stupid. Being smart does not mean you are a different class. Smart workers and dumb workers both benefit from the prosperity of the working class.
why even have any political opinions? why even want to do anything?
Lol what

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

dumb workers
do you use marx's definition of a worker? because in today's society, you cant be a worker if you are dumb, look up medieval basket weaver post i posted above

in todays economy, where specialized computers and machines do all of the dumb labor at a fraction of a cost of what the human body requires to perform that same labor, dumb workers are just a nuisance and an obstacle on the path towards socialism

Jaxon Morgan
Jaxon Morgan

Fucking lol. Look at this sheltered kid who never set foot in a factory.

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

do you even hate capitalists?
No, though I hate most people that happen to be capitalists. Remember "the hell of capitalism is the firm, not the boss".

If capitalism ceases to be, capitalists will also vanish from existence, because unlike boring IdPol garbage, capitalists aren't an "identity". Capitalists are a class, an inherent consequence of the very structure of our economy.

all spheres of work and life
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How many of these people are there, really? How much do they actually cost civilization? Are they actually growing in number? How much effort would actually be needed to reduce their number, and would that be more than "wasted" by them?

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Easton King
Easton King

true, ive never seen a factory, but that is because i dont have money to travel to china, where all the factories in the world are
ive worked my fair share of construction jobs where i would just drive around combined construction machine which would mix all the cement with a perfect 3:1 fine sand/fraction to cement with just enough water for the mix not to be too crumbling but also not too much to be mushy, and then it would go into the vibrating chamber so the vibrations kick all the air pockets out because they are lighter than the concrete mix which would fall into their places during vibrations, and then pour the thing where i was supposed to
i could also bulldoze, flatten and dig out all the land that needed such things done to it

ive also worked a few mining jobs because there was opportunity near where i live, just like construction whole mine was worked by a single digit number of workers who basically just drove machines around or stared at the computer screens

John Hill
John Hill

oh they cause damage, believe me

they clog the emergency rooms in hospitals because all they do is overdose on drugs, they piss in the streets, they pick drunken fights at the supermarket with the cashiers because they dont have money to pay for what they want, they reach deep into the pockets of the working class through the tax system, and then welfare their way into another cycle of drugs, booze and general clogging of all the public spaces

yeah, hiring a death squads to get rid of all of them in a month, even with all the drone costs and whatnot, would be much cheaper over time than having them around for 60 or however long they live years

Kevin Reyes
Kevin Reyes

Look at it from another angle. The mythical "welfare leech", for instance, is not (in whatever number of genuine cases, if any) solely the result of Calvinist moral defects in character, but an inevitable side-effect of the welfare system existing.

If you don't have a welfare system, of course, it becomes impossible to protect people from fluctuations in the job market, employer abuse, debilitating or highly distracting events in their personal lives, periods of exhaustion or inspiration that require breaks from work necessary for many people to function at their peak, etc.

In this view, the costs of a "leech" is not an independent phenomenon, but an inherent and consciously accepted side-effect of an overall highly beneficial policy.

Ayden Adams
Ayden Adams

there is too much of what i call whataboutism in there, about welfare helping these people but not those people and 'what about this' and 'what if that' and so on

the facts are that these absolute leeches and parasites exist
the facts are that they hurt the working class
the facts are that they do no useful work, and are a deficit on the working class

in this way they are identical to the capitalists, so what if its their material interest to do such things? isnt it also our material interest to wipe them out? why does their material interest have a priority over our?

Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

ive worked my fair share of construction jobs where i would just drive around combined construction machine which would mix all the cement
So wait, you're a dumb worker doing dumb labour claiming dumb workers don't exist and there's no dumb labour to be done?
I'm very confused

Wyatt Wood
Wyatt Wood

too much of what i call whataboutism
Precisely the opposite, it is systemic universalist thinking, rather than myopic particularism.
why does their material interest have a priority over our?
Because it isn't about "us" and "them", but about the entire system.

Welfare, including both the unavoidable bonus of supporting workers, and the unavoidable malus of potentially enabling leeches, is an overall beneficial system.

Capitalism, including the unavoidable malus of exploiting workers, and the other unavoidable malus of creating capitalists, is an overall harmful system.

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

you misunderstood

this job i did, while it is dumb, would just last century require a 100 people, one to shovel cement, another to shovel sand, another one to carry water, another one to pout it, etc
today a single mechanized worker does all this at the same time
same with mining: back in the day whole "mining towns" would spring out of nowhere when someone discovered a mine, today the equal amount of labor is done by 5 guys who mine the contents directly into a truck while sitting in the said mining machines

welfare class is mutually exclusive with the worker class, welfare hurts the honest workers who work for a living
same with people who are in debt yet alive: someone is bailing their ass out of starvation and that someone is the working class
same with these new trendy weird haircolor uselessness studies students who go 6 digits into debt to be useless, and then proceed to leech from the workers for all their food, shelter and medical needs without ever giving anything back in return

we have an ever increasingly tiny fraction of the population carrying much much bigger cancer population of non workers on their backs, both rich and poor non workers

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

welfare class is mutually exclusive with the worker class
Welfare is fundamentally required to prevent small, temporary disruptions from becoming large, permanent ones. Especially under a system such as capitalism that inherently requires the existence of a surplus army of labor (i.e.: unemployed)
debt
someone is bailing their ass out of starvation
And that someone is their own future self. Without debt and borrowing, entrepreneurship (the real kind) would be impossible without the patronage of angel investors, and civilization would've stagnated.
same with these new trendy weird haircolor uselessness studies students who go 6 digits into debt to be useless
Who determines that? What about the responsibility of the universities and lenders for misleading these people into thinking it's a viable career? What about the responsibility of employers not training their own recruits?
we have an ever increasingly tiny fraction of the population
[citation needed]

Dominic Allen
Dominic Allen

well stupid people are responsible for their own stupidity, if you remove all the moralisms from the equation you cant blame wolves for eating sheep, you cant really even blame sheep for being eaten by wolves
same when a art/linguistic university sells you a story that you will be employed #intellectual(tm) when you get one of their worthless degrees and you buy into it

and i do honestly believe that the ever increasingly small fraction of the population who are in the working class are carrying this much larger giant ball of cancer population on their backs of people who do not perform socially necessary labor in society, and while this includes lots of rich people it also includes lots of poor people

Easton Jackson
Easton Jackson

well stupid people are responsible for their own stupidity
Nice moralism
if you remove all the moralisms from the equation
Lul.

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

well who is responsible? materialistically its a closed system: you have a wolf and you have a sheep and that's it, there are no invisible floating judges passing judgement
so no one is 'held' responsible, you simply have the consequences, and i guess it is in the interest of the one suffering the consequences to not suffer the consequences, therefore you can argue the sufferer holds himself responsible for his suffering in that way

Grayson White
Grayson White

you have a wolf and you have a sheep and that's it
no one is 'held' responsible
Just as your earlier deserted tropical island example, that's not how modern civilization works.

The situation is not a given, the system we live or suffer under is not "nature", let alone "human nature". It is something made by man, to be accepted, adjusted, or replaced by man.

Humanity are not animals, nor individuals. We are an entire artificial, consciously self-perpetuating ecosystem unto ourselves.

Christopher Garcia
Christopher Garcia

well who is responsible?
Why do you so desperately need a scapegoat? Why not make a structural analysis of society and change what leads to poor education and general stupidity? If we say it's herpy derpy wolves and sheep lol, then with the help of our smart human brains we figure out we should give the wolves meat so they don't eat the sheep.

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

yes, man created classes that do not perform socially beneficial work, and man can remove them too
i dont get why no one bats an eye when you want to shoot the rich parasites, but everyone goes full moral panic when you want to shoot the poor parasites as well
a parasite is a parasite, explain the double standard

and where do you find the said meat? there is no lunch in the animal kingdom unless you murder something first
i think you have this weird nonsensical rosy picture of reality without any consideration of the costs of anything, you think you can just pull solutions out of your ass and that these solutions will be free
well in the real world these "free" solutions of yours such as 'just give meat lul' might be more costly than the problem you had in the first place, something you'll figure out when you grow up a little probably

Brandon Nelson
Brandon Nelson

and where do you find the said meat? there is no lunch in the animal kingdom unless you murder something first
Luckily we don't live in the animal kingdom, so I can say we get the meat from farms.
but everyone goes full moral panic when you want to shoot the poor parasites as well. a parasite is a parasite, explain the double standard
The poor parasite is a poor parasite because the capitalist doesn't want to employ him. If you want to kill whoever the capitalist doesn't need, then go suck that porky dick real hard.
For me, a person who writes a piece of music and puts it up for free is far more valuable than someone who mixes cement for a skyscraper for porky. Judging people by their ability to accumulate capital is pure capitalist ideology.

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

i dont get why no one bats an eye when you want to shoot the rich parasites
Because systems free of opportunities to amass and abuse excessive amounts of power, while also being at least as efficient at sorting through scarcity as capitalism, have been proposed in IMHO plausible outlines. Also, the evils of capitalism greatly harm all people all the time.

Systems that would eliminate crime, shirking, and other noisome or antisocial misbehaviors and character flaws haven't been strongly and coherently described. And such ills mostly just effect a small number of people on an individual basis occasionally.

Also, we don't "want to shoot" anyone on a permanent basis, beyond temporary violence needed to change the system if and when it is stubborn.

the poor parasites
Who are almost all temporarily in that position, mostly resulting from failings in capitalism.

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

Good one.

Hunter Cook
Hunter Cook

Look at the Democratic Party in the United States. It’s a reactionary mess that uses identity politics to push unfettered capitalism. It is literally the party of middle class women.

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

More than half of the worlds women do not wear makeup
Though capitalism is making it more widely available to more and more people, I still say more than half of them don’t wear it at all or only semi regularly

Christian Hall
Christian Hall

Source? It would seem like it's a Eurasian concept then.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

Deductive reasoning. Or do you not count old women, poor and working poor women as women?

Cameron Bennett
Cameron Bennett

Deductive reasoning
But that's not how it works.
Do you not count old women
Old women can wear make up.
Poor women.
Depends. Even then some might, the one's that can afford to at least.
Working women.
Depends but my mother and multiple other women who were still working over 50 wore make up to work even if it was a shitty manual labor job that ended up being the death of them. Deductive reasoning can't apply to broad categories because most women are working women regardless of the job.

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Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

Why are first world males so useless?

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Matthew Wood
Matthew Wood

Criticizing women for something that is not exclusive to women while calling them "lesser sex" is a sign of misogyny, would you not agree?
No it's a sign of sexism. Just sexism. Learn what the fuck words mean.

Thomas White
Thomas White

Okay, and male chauvinism. But not "misogyny".

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

I am in a first world city and observe roughy 2/3rds or the women not wearing makeup in public. I suppose some wear it on occasion, but not all public outings.
Most old women don’t wear makeup.
I’ll allow you traditional home made makeup use, but most poor women don’t wear makeup for the majority of their week if at all.

You’re observing women in print, film and video media for your sampling. I may not have any hard numbers for you, but it’s painfully obvious that you watch too much tv and porn, frogboy

Connor Reed
Connor Reed

I am in a first world city and observe roughy 2/3rds or the women not wearing makeup in public. I suppose some wear it on occasion, but not all public outings.
I live in one with 8 million people. I've seen multiple women wear it. 2/3rds of women wear make up in mine. If you want I can tally them whenever I'm not lazy enough to not do it.
Most old women don’t wear makeup.
Literally more old women do than younger women and that's saying a lot.
I’ll allow you traditional home made makeup use, but most poor women don’t wear makeup for the majority of their week if at all.
Some do. Enough to tip the scales to having the cosmetics industry still be predominantly female driven.
You’re observing women in print, film and video media for your sampling. I may not have any hard numbers for you, but it’s painfully obvious that you watch too much tv and porn, frogboy
I don't watch tv, I spend all day on the computer or outside. I also don't watch porn regularly and when I do I don't focus on a girls make up because I don't have a fetish like you might. Projection and such. You don't need to make assumptions to ad hominem me
frogboy
What, is it illegal to post Matt Furrie©'s intellectual property now because he was used by normal fags for the past decade? That's literally the only Pepe meme I have on my whole hard drive.

Ethan Richardson
Ethan Richardson

This is absolute bullshit. You should be ashamed for telling a lie that outright.

Charles Morris
Charles Morris

not OP, but only as indentured servants.

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

You consume media via your computer and are under the impression that the majority wear makeup and wear it often, but you are wrong.
I am a middle aged woman who’s fetish is a pretty face, and I’ve observed quite a few people who aren’t pretty at all. Just the artist in me. I enjoy people watching.

You’re bullshit

This
I can’t believe how off topic this page gets. Fucking opponents of socialism keep fuckin with the place. I can take anything here seriously

Charles Perez
Charles Perez

You consume media via your computer and are under the impression that the majority wear makeup and wear it often, but you are wrong.
But you're on a computer or smart phone right now. Or are you saying you "Get out" more than me? Seems like your argument straight up boils down to
no u
And I honestly expected more from you.
I am a middle aged woman who’s fetish is a pretty face, and I’ve observed quite a few people who aren’t pretty at all. Just the artist in me. I enjoy people watching.
A. *watching people
B. The artist in me see's the details in people.
I see most of them wearing make up.
Just right now off the street on my way
7 grown women
4 noticeable with make up
And it was mostly men outside.
I can’t believe how off topic this page gets. Fucking opponents of socialism keep fuckin with the place. I can take anything here seriously
Stop talking about what I don't want you to talk about
/leftypol/index.html might be more your speed. There are even other lesbians on there you can circle schlick with if discussion of race, or gender or sex or other social matters bothers you. Instead you can go discuss Marx over and over while celebrating the Superbowl or The Olympics or whatever capitalism shit they have generals over now.

Parker Bailey
Parker Bailey

7 women that caught my eye
You know how many people there are out there? I already said I don’t have any hard numbers.
reactionary directs me to /tankypol/
Fuck you

Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

Instead you can go discuss Marx over and over while celebrating the Superbowl or The Olympics or whatever capitalism shit they have generals over now.
Maybe you should read some Marx. And there are literally no threads discussing Super Bowl other than as a critique of capitalism.
Why do you always lie so much?

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

You know how many people there are out there? I already said I don’t have any hard numbers.
Then neither of us have an argument here.
reactionary directs me to /tankypol/
Fuck you
Sorry I had to make sure you weren't an asshurt /leftypol/ user that keeps begging us to go back like Maybe you should read some Marx. And there are literally no threads discussing Super Bowl other than as a critique of capitalism.
I've read Marx once. I don't read him every day religiously.
No Superbowl general
Yeah it was a false comparison to the FIFA general they had last year as a celebration not critique. That was the last straw that made me leave.
Why do you always lie so much?
I was molested in the 5th grade and use compulsive lying to defend myself. Or so my psychiatrist tells me but what does he know.

Jonathan Carter
Jonathan Carter

Roastie is getting testy.

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

No u

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