Honest question, did this guy do anything wrong?

Caleb Reed
Caleb Reed

He seems like a proto-communist, but would he be someone who should have succeeded in his goals?

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Jonathan Reed
Jonathan Reed

He was so violent he got himself killed and the movement snuffed out in the reaction, for starters.

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

proto-communist
I hate this distinction so much.
Anyways tell me how he wasn't but in any case not really, to this day he still causes liberals more asshurt than Hitler does.

Christopher Hill
Christopher Hill

He's hella based, easily the most based french to have existed. He's the type of guy who I'd love to have a 30cm bust of in my desk, you know what I'm saying?

Ryder Ward
Ryder Ward

For firebrand dictators, what's the tipping point of killing too many of your own party to stay in power, versus not killing enough to avoid being couped?

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Parker Flores
Parker Flores

Jacques Hébert called for a dictatorship of the sans-culottes

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Christian Fisher
Christian Fisher

No clue what that is

Kevin Sullivan
Kevin Sullivan

The tipping point is being a dictator who needs to kill any of your own people to stay in power.

Christian Butler
Christian Butler

Literally means those without breeches (leg coverings), it was used to describe the common man (who mostly wore pants).

Jace Wood
Jace Wood

And who was Jacques? I don't know that much about the French Revolution tbh.

Bentley Nguyen
Bentley Nguyen

Leader of the left tendency of the Jacobins, wanting to purge France of the clergy and merchant class on-top of the nobility.

Wyatt Hughes
Wyatt Hughes

How is he related to Robespierre? Were they allies?

Jordan Cox
Jordan Cox

He was part of the same collation party (La Montagne) that Robespierre was the head of.

Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

proto-communist
Lol no, he was actually a moderate among the revolutionary factions, he could only be described as slightly socdem.

Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

He was no fan of aristocrats and powerful merchants, but not an enemy of money systems. He was to the left of Thomas Paine and to the right of communism. I would classify him as a revolutionary social democrat.

Brandon Bailey
Brandon Bailey

the Clergy can only act as a class if engaging in profiteering.

Profiteering is a Prot tactic

also, no mention of Rousseau, my favorite?

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

he could only be described as slightly socdem.
lmao you're a fucking imbecile

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

He was definitely revolutionary. Communism hadn't really been well formed at that point. You had Thomas Munzter, Gerrard Winstanley and The Paris Commune preceding Robespierre. Robespierre was obviously influenced by them, but the Jacobins were well aware of counter revolutionary factions and influential philanthropists like Edmund Burke thus they tried to stamp out tyranny being mindful of turmoil in the National Assembly and Committee of Public Safety. So reading On Substinence you get distinct impression he wanted to destroy the aristocracy, but without introducing a system without capital. The Festival of the Supreme Being reveals he knew the tyrannical effects the countries clergy had. He was an interesting case, and can't be compared to western liberal factionalists. Understanding Robespierre is like understanding Max Stirner.. You simply can't get the full picture without an understanding of their cultural backgrounds.

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

proto-communist
That's Babeuf you silly dunce

The Paris Commune preceding Robespierre
wut

Michael White
Michael White

Well.. The same time I mean. I was referring to the first iteration and the revolutionary government after the storming of Bastille. Not the later collective.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune_(French_Revolution)

Gavin Cook
Gavin Cook

What a cringey "demonstrate erudition!" reaction to being called an imbecile. How about you learn what social-democracy first, you fucking retard?

Again, you're an imbecile.

Ian Watson
Ian Watson

If I call someone an idiot I must be right
Nice intellectual dick measuring and all, but please educate us on why Robespierre wouldn't fall under the category of social democrat? Is there any room for doubt reading through his speeches and positions?

Camden Walker
Camden Walker

Babeuf > Max "everyone who isn't a Jacobin is an Austrian counter-revolutionary" Robespierre

Henry Rogers
Henry Rogers

Sorel changed that game. trve kvlt Socialist Anarchism

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

I appreciate Robespierre's position on not leaving the door open for tyranny (his excuse for the violent crackdown on counter revolutionaries). However, a society transitioning from tyranny should allow for brutal self criticism and political dissent (some how some way without a reaction) lest it be called tyranny throwing the cause and motives into question.

Josiah Hall
Josiah Hall

"Hébert was skeptical of the queen's willingness to do so and often characterized her as an evil enemy of the people by referring to Marie Antoinette as "Madame Veto" and even addressing Louis XVI as "drunken and lazy; a cuckolded pig""

based

Joshua Nelson
Joshua Nelson

Killed too many of people on his side for minor offenses, didn't kill enough nobility and merchants.

Christopher Butler
Christopher Butler

Robespierre 150 years later would have fucking caused a european wide revolution

Cooper Sanchez
Cooper Sanchez

Rousseau was more important on a social scale. The Bataille of his day.

Jaxon Powell
Jaxon Powell

Obviously he wasn't a Communist but neither was Washington/Lincoln the Octoberists the KMT Cromwell etc
One must understand that during the period of Robespierre and those of the others mentioned Liberalism and with it capitalism WAS a genuinely progressive and emancipating force in the eyes of most peasants/Proles and was seen as a much better alternative to the feudalism they lived under

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