The Myth of Greek Homosexuality

I'm looking to disprove the popular claim that homosexuality and same-sex intercourse was normalized and accepted in Ancient Hellenic cultures. Books, publications, videos, etc. are all welcome, same as screencaps of others' posts. Also looking to discuss the issue at length, I'm sure that in Hellenic history there were things relatable to the modern day and its decliing tendency.

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You can't disprove something that's true. Only the receptive partner in a male-male sexual liaison was considered a faggot. You'll find this was the case all over Europe, e.g. the Norse didn't even have a word for general homosexuality until a Christian book of homilies was written in the 1200's.

Then why most of greek city-states outlawed it?
Citation needed.

Sorry faggot, nobody ever liked you and nobody ever will. It doesn't matter how much your kike friends try to change history or plant false narratives, you will never be loved.

pepe >:)

For most of human history (before faggots were common), men could actually be very close friends and bond together in an intimate but nonsexual way. Especially men in wars who would give their lives for the man next to them. However the rise of sodomites and their acceptance and acknowledgement has cast these relationships in a very negative light. Historical revisionists considering Alexander to be a faggot because they couldnt comprehend the "philia", or intimate friendship. This is also why having gays in the military is the absolute worst thing for morale: men cant properly bond and fight with their comrades if they're scared of looking gay all the time.

Whether the fags and jews knew this would happen and did it intentionally to undermine the fraternity between white men, or they just push gay shit because they're degenerates is not important. The effect is the same.

And the christcuck in this thread saying pre-Christian Europe was gay isnt helping either.

I suspect a lot of it is Christcuckery. They will say anything to get you to convert, because they are so desperate for Jesus points. This is why you can't trust them. Some are good, but most will stab you in the back if their bought out church tells them they'll get Jesus points for it. They also see western civilization as a subset of Christianity, which is why they take credit for all the contributions Europe has made to the world, despite the fact they tried suppressing large amounts of it or flat out stole ideas that already existed.


Do you even know what the bog meme is you cuckchan newfag?

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Essentially it's Christfags shitting on ancient Europeans, which they have a long track record of doing.

Faggots make 3% of population the same as back then.
It is just another jewish lie

For there are two loves, as there are two Aphrodites—one the daughter of Uranus, who has no mother and is the elder and wiser goddess, and the other, the daughter of Zeus and Dione, who is popular and common. The first of the two loves has a noble purpose, and delights only in the intelligent nature of man, and is faithful to the end, and has no shadow of wantonness or lust. The second is the coarser kind of love, which is a love of the body rather than of the soul, and is of women and boys as well as of men. Now the actions of lovers vary, like every other sort of action, according to the manner of their performance. And in different countries there is a difference of opinion about male loves. Some, like the Boeotians, approve of them; others, like the Ionians, and most of the barbarians, disapprove of them; partly because they are aware of the political dangers which ensue from them, as may be seen in the instance of Harmodius and Aristogeiton. At Athens and Sparta there is an apparent contradiction about them. For at times they are encouraged, and then the lover is allowed to play all sorts of fantastic tricks; he may swear and forswear himself (and 'at lovers' perjuries they say Jove laughs'); he may be a servant, and lie on a mat at the door of his love, without any loss of character; but there are also times when elders look grave and guard their young relations, and personal remarks are made. The truth is that some of these loves are disgraceful and others honourable. The vulgar love of the body which takes wing and flies away when the bloom of youth is over, is disgraceful, and so is the interested love of power or wealth; but the love of the noble mind is lasting. The lover should be tested, and the beloved should not be too ready to yield. The rule in our country is that the beloved may do the same service to the lover in the way of virtue which the lover may do to him.

A voluntary service to be rendered for the sake of virtue and wisdom is permitted among us; and when these two customs—one the love of youth, the other the practice of virtue and philosophy—meet in one, then the lovers may lawfully unite. Nor is there any disgrace to a disinterested lover in being deceived: but the interested lover is doubly disgraced, for if he loses his love he loses his character; whereas the noble love of the other remains the same, although the object of his love is unworthy: for nothing can be nobler than love for the sake of virtue. This is that love of the heavenly goddess which is of great price to individuals and cities, making them work together for their improvement.

Certainly it has nothing to do with the existence of phallic cults and their gay obsession with cocks

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Venerating male vitality does not make you gay. That is stupid on par with saying that statues of shirtless men in Germany made the National Socialists gay.

To some extent, there must be some truth to it. Both Marcus Aurelius, in The Meditations, and Lucius Seneca, in Letters from a Stoic, both mention it as something you should not do. Neither were fond of gladiatorial games either and Seneca goes much more in depth on that.

Though they were both Stoics and wrote in Greek, they were both Romans.

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If you won't celebrate male virility you are a soyboy beta cuck

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This.

Fucking faggot with your stupid false quotes/lies:

This is a somewhat paraphrased version of the following:

"this was the real ground of all the attacks on you: those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, endeavored to crush your well earnt, & well deserved fame." - Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, Washington, March 21, 18011

Funny that number resembles the amount of kikes in a population as well.

KEK
Even then that's still 1/3.

Maybe that is the coat hanger.

1/3 BULLSHIT. Quote things correctly of you look like a fucking dildo.

Can men not make novelty objects without being called gay?
If every man who drew a penis on a wall or in the snow or on a friend's face while he was unconscious is gay, then half of all men are gay.

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It was not approved of

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You should delete that lying image with those misquotes. I wouldn't want to openly misquoting things but when you know it is a misquote and you leave it up, it appears you don't care that you are using it to lie and deceive other anons.

archive.org/details/AdonisGeorgiadesHomosexualityInAncientGreeceTheMythIsCollapsing

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You have yet to backup anything you're saying.

How can you be this dumb? I'll bet you don't get out much, maybe you've never even interacted with a single Greek person. Newflash- they're all gay. Lmao

you are only embarrassing yourself

Thanks I needed a good laugh. That pic isn't even my OC it's posted here constantly. You would know that if you weren't a cuckchan newfag.

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They are probably all misquoted to suit your faggot agenda. I didn't care to check because ONCE A LYING FAGGOT, ALWAYS A LYING FAGGOT. What else do I need to know about you?

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Sorry faggot, only the bottom was put in the bogs. The top was not considered to have lost his masculinity.
Again, the LARPers stand on a Christian concept (sodomy and its condemnation) in order to attack Christianity.

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He was notorious for not taking on a young male "companion", as was customary by most respected older men such as Socrates. The typical form of sex was for the older man to slide his member between the thighs of his younger friend.
The conversation you are referencing is exactly that: Socrates' peers wondering why the heck he doesn't want some sweet, sweet gay thigh sex with a kid. Fucking sick pagan faggots, thank God for sending Jesus Christ and his Law.

Everytime you Christcucks get exposed for your history revisionism you have a new lie ready to go. It really exposes how much of a detriment you are to the west, since you will sell out your own countrymen, ancestors, soil, etc for Jesus points.

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Where?

livius.org/articles/concept/greek-homosexuality/

yuck

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sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/gayvik.asp

wtf

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ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-europe/roman-law-and-banning-passive-homosexuality-00832

but topping is ok

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Jesus approves archive.is/8vMT

Strawman fallacy. They didn't have a concept for "homosexuality" aka "sodomy". You are borrowing a concept from Christianity. Pagans were only concerned about retention of masculinity (topping is OK). I guess you will ignore all the ample evidence lol you're probably a faggot yourself

Socrates was a notable exception in that, while he was definitely a pervert homo faggot old man, he squelched his urges.

Somehow the Celts and Romans who where constantly at war and on complete opposite sides of Europe shared the same exact view on homosexuality. And Christians are not notorious for doing everything in their power to paint anyone that isn't them in the worst light possible. We should even believe the people who claim everyone under the sun, Christ-included, was gay.

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Do you have a source at least, or just high as fuck

This is 100% jewish lies. Years ago I deconstructed this jew propaganda. I will look for the work and post it here. This is one of those false-narratives that the jew uses to debase all of Western civilization. Very prevalent in the (((UK))) and US academic circles.

Long story short, the entire psyop comes out of the 1960s by a Jewish professor that bases his entire propaganda off of his psychotic delusional visions of a drawing on a piece of clay "pottery". Yes, I shit you not… millions of people now repeat this garbage all due to one kike faggot in the 60s that created a lie.

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I guess Christians forged all of that pagan art and literature depicting faggot sex. Those crafty, clever bastards!

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I already posted my source

I don't have a VM handy and I'm not clicking a random link on this PC, especially one so dubiously labeled "Jesus approves" in the context of sodomy. Post a screencap like I've done with my sources.

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nice mental gymnastics

Wow. Filtered.

Basically, there was much opulence in higher social strata.
Some men (like today) liked to "dominate" younger men, sometimes boys, sometimes low level political rivals by penetration.
It wasn't homosexual to be the penetrating one.

Also, all the shit they say about homosexuality being a way for men to bond, mostly (((movie))) magic.

interesting (((indeed)))

If we came into your room and found you stooped over your desk, carefully crafting art that consisted of huge cocks attached to everything, we'd safely assume you're obsessed with cocks and probably extremely homosexual.

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this isn't one of them though
you have to be extra special to equate Jesus with the entirety of Greek history though, and now… the Celts? what the fuck? you have no consistency

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lol you won't debunk it, and you're ignoring all of the writings on pederasty such as by Plato

Already have many years ago, you dumb jewish supremacist. Why are jewish supremacist so dumb.

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In the first chapter of Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, he names the people he admires and why:

16. In my adoptive father I observed mildness of temper, and unchangeable resolution in the things that he had determined after due deliberation; … And I observed that he had overcome all passion for boys;

Lurking your thread, but I’m pretty sure it was actually a thing.

You should source this. You should have sourced this in your OP.

In Aristophanes play 'Assembly Women' there are jokes at the expense of effeminates and sodomites.
If it was accepted behavior as in our times those jokes wouldnt be there.

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apparently the ancient Greek work for homo was damned one or something like that.

Read Spengler.

Reading further on from that, isn't it just something akin to "passions usual to boys" for example mischief?
It continues:
As in he had let go of an extravagant lifestyle of a socialite?

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Evidence? I'm "sure" that's a huge no

That is not lie. Its just for post Christian cultures this topic is religious taboo so they pretend gays don't exist (even when small percentage always exits).

But Greeks were not Christians and were not to triggered by homos so much as Christians, so homosexuals were represented openly for Christian who pretends it doesn't exist it looks like parade of homosexuality.

But another thing. Why are people so focused on Greeks homosexuality? They had a lot of other terrible practices: slavery, pedophilia, prostitution, often tied together. And more important - misogyny. Greek women were slaves of their husbands locked in the kitchens (female part of the house) with no participation in public life, no personal rights and no possibility to divorce unfaithful husband and get alimony from him. This is the true horrors.

P.S. I know the answer why burgers feel so unsafe about gay sex. Its because of their jock rape culture in high-schools, where they grew up under constant threat of molestation by members of football team.

Reminder: if you haven't abandoned all beliefs taught to you at a time before realizing the world is owned by genocidal liars, you're worthy of no intellectual respect. You're unlovable, as the Greeks would say.

if it was a common belief it would deem no admiration

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This, also consider that the practise was outlawed in Sparta and that the practise would disqualify Greeks and Romans from citizenship

Beauty being the intellectual prowess of the boy. Obviously something a philosopher would be impressed by, and compelled to nurture as Socrates did.

Reinterpreting words like "lover" and "beautiful" from their meaning in ancient Greece to a modern meaning after kikes have ruined western culture, is an understandable mistake, but it needs to be recognized as the jewish revisionism it is.

Adding to this to rape also meant to abduct or seize rather than to actually rape

Back when Princeton wasn't so gay, circa 1997 this paper was made.

Also the last book written by Plato, The Laws he writes:
"I maintain that our regulation on this head must go forward and proclaim that our citizens must not be worse than fowls and many other animals which are produced in large broods, and which live chaste and celibate lives without sexual intercourse until they arrive at the age for breeding; and when they reach this age they pair off, as instinct moves them, male with female and female with male; and thereafter they live in a way that is holy and just, remaining constant to their first contracts of love: surely our citizens should at least be better than these animals." -Plato's, the Laws volume II

Earlier in his life Plato also writes about homosexuality in reference to the barbarians to the North of Greece which is were Celtic/Germanic tribes would have existed then, Plato says:
"Homosexuality, is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce."

The idea of it being "shameful" goes along with what Tacitus in Germania says about the Germanics a good 3 centuries after Plato documents this attitude among the more Northern peoples but here also a young Plato is saying for Greek life "powerful friendships" are produced by homosex.

Yeah, "rape" was hijacked by the (((women's liberation))) movement, and now most people just assume it means forcing a woman to have sex, which isn't even the most appalling action it could refer to. The narrowing of definitions of certain words, as a result of jewish control of our minds, is devastating propaganda.

Thank you.

Stop derailing this thread, you enormous faggots.

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was hoping someone would bring this up. homosexuality in Greece was nearly nonexistent and absolutely not accepted. a few pieces of pottery ( as in 1% of the artifacts found) depicted homosexuality. this find was vastly overweighted into the theory that ancient Greeks were rampant faggots; they weren't. and they hated faggots.

kikes are total fucking losers. they also rape kids.

Yes, the Norse considered active homosexuality less shamefull then passive homosexuality and no this does not mean there wasn't a stigma attached to it.

For example, there are several words associated with homosexual conduct, all of them have extra meanings besides homosexual, like coward, outlaw, sexually perverse etc.

Most of the time when you read that only passive homosexuality was considered bad amongst the Norse, that's a leftwing academic using his own personal interpretation on words we do not fully understand the meaning.

For example, argr which means sissied or unmanly, could have been applied to active homosexuals (we don't know), the terms stroðinn and sorðinn could have mean someone fucking and someone being fucked, we don't know. Is a rassragr the man penetrating or being penetrated or both, we don't know and neither do academics.

Besides that there is the figure of Loki, during Lokasenna Wotan uses three metafores that point to sexual conduct, Loki went underground for eight winters, he milked a cow as a milkmaid and he bore children, these are most likely metaphores for active homosexuality, passive homosexuality without penetration and passive homosexuality with penetration. Besides that Loki was tied with the guts of his own son and had a snake dripping venom on him, this as well could be interpreted as the guilt of active homosexuality, because he is tied with the guts of his son and the snake could point to either self-polution or mutual-masturbation.

All in all, the Edda's point towards active homosexuality being seen as shamefull.

Moral of the story, don't belief Christian and Leftwing academics.

The only thing on the planet that make a jew look 'righteous' in comparison is a faggot. Faggots are the most disgusting lifeform on the Earth. We couldn't bog them fast enough. There is nothing redeeming about them at all.

Do we really need the Eddas to tell us homosexuality is the lowest form of life on the planet? No. We can just look at faggots, their behaviors and the product of their behavior and know that there is nothing lower on the planet than fags. The Earth would be much better off if they were all completely exterminated from it. Look at how they have infested this, a NS imageboard with their disgusting agenda. There was no faggotry in NS but here they are vastly over represented, morally deficient in every matter, scrambling to advance their own agenda where family, nation and decency are paramount. Exactly like the jew, their brothers ideologically, they will not rest until everything on Earth that is good or decent is morally bankrupt.
We don't need a source to tell us that fags are the worst living thing on the planet. We simply look at their behavior, now and in the past, for the Truth. They are scumbags who deserve death in every place they are found.

I find it surprising how many people here make no distinction between periods and places in the ancient world.
The idea of wondering whether "the greeks" allowed for homosexuality is as absurd as wondering if "20th century germans" allowed for racemixing : you'd have to agree that the answer would be pretty fucking different in 1940 and un 1990. Well, it's the same thing with "the greeks".

First off, when the romans talk about the "decadent greek practice", Rome is still a city-state ruled by virtu, while Greece is largely a decadent shithole as we are centuries after the highpoint of hellenic culture, and they went through several empires since, all of which turned the dominant population into a cosmopolitan hodgepodge.

Second, it's idiotic to compare Athens with the rest of Greece, because they most likely weren't fucking "Greeks" during their "golden age".
Why ? Look a Athena : goddess of strategy, wisdom and philosophers. Even though women can't into philosophy according to Athenian scholars, even though they sure as fuck can't go to war, even though Athens was a misogynistic society in the truest meaning of the word (ie treated women as objects, kept them hid and held in gynaecei, saw the female body as ugly).
Now take a look at Zeus : he's the god of kings and fathers, and also thunder. What is he ? A /fit/ mature dude, a father, a king, and he carries thunder.
Hermes : god of youth, invention, travellers, movement and everything new. He's a bright male youth, full of potential, the very definition of the ideals he embodies.
Ares : god of war and warriors : the ideal warrior.
You get the picture : Greek gods, like all Indo-European gods, ARE their ideal, because they are models for the men and women who study their mysteries : you don't become a better father/king by praying to Odin or Zeus, but by learning to be like them (and really great kings see they stories rolled up into new myths about the gods they most resembled).
Which leaves us with one question : where the FUCK does Athena, a goddess of male activities, come from ? Note that she's also the one who's birth is clearely unnatural : while all of Zeus' kids were born from sex, she came, fully formed, from his head, meaning she is an idea. She is also an eternal virgin, never a real, flesh and blood woman.
Obviously, this does not point to an Indo-European origin. In fact, the most likely origin is distinctly eastern : the semite goddess Ishtar (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inanna), goddess of "love, beauty, sex, desire, fertility, war, justice, and political power" (note the distinctly male purview, in ancient semite religions fertility is also male (rain god fertilizes female earth goddess), in steep contrast to European deities such as Ceres/Demeter).
So, considering Athens was a cosmopolitan democracy ruled by noble merchants who treated their women like cattle and worshipped an imaginary waifu-deity with no real-life application, I believe we can safely consider ancient Athens to be a semite city, possibly with a large European minority.
Immediately, this theory explains many things : the obsession with accusing others of doing what you are ashamed of (buggering kids, a recurrent problem with the clergy/teachers of all semite religions), the imperial ambitions realized through a so-called "union" (Delian League) leading to the "Empire of Athens" through Athenian control of the treasury (I believe the parallels to the EU are obvious enough) and so on.

So, in short, Greeks, like most Europeans, weren't big on homosexuality, but may have allowed it in special circumstances such as the sacred band of Thebes (though that example happened under Athenian domination, shortly before Macedon btfo'd them), much like the Indo-European ruling family of Egypt practiced incest out of necessity as they were surrounded by blacks and semites.
Athenians, however, most probably did it, were ashamed of it, and called everyone else gay as fuck.
The same goes for Rome : the austere farmers of the monarchy and the republic certainly saw sodomy as an abomination, whereas the easternized imperial rome where most people had names like Flaviusberg (barely joking : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus AKA Titus Flavius (((Josephus))) ) was obviously degenerate as fuck (ostarapublications.com/product/from-slave-to-emperor-famous-historians-on-the-racial-reasons-for-the-decline-of-the-roman-empire/).

One should remember that the ethnic differences we here consider self-evident were largely unknown or misunderstood for most of human history, which is why you will often find people making stupid mistakes like thinking a semite is a Greek (even today, where most people treat Greece as if it isn't largely semite (I only saw greek cities, the country may not be as bad, as always).

Fucking this. This guy gets it. Like what we see today, successful societies become decadent and then degenerate as sure as night follows day

lol ok

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No, but that is not the point, some jokers keep claiming that the Norse only had a problem with passive homosexuality (taking it in the butt) but not active homosexuality (putting it in the but aka prisonrape)

I point out that most of the evidence for that is flimsy and that we are not sure what exactly most of the terms in lawbooks that are used for homosexual mean exactly.

Zig Forums IS NOT A NATIONAL SOCIALIST BOARD
It has been given over to kikes, faggots, pedophiles and immoral degenerates because it is now a 'global board' where people cannot be banned for their 'ideas' meaning that the lowest and most disgusting of all ideologies can be argued for by swarms of screeching kikes and their minions. All of JIDF can be mustered to drive a stake of immoral degenerate filth right through the heart of any true National Socialist movement.

This OP and faggotry 'normalization' is something that WASTES TIME and increasingly associates conservative, nationalist and family values with the idea that NS would have or could have supported this degenerate FILTH. Everyone who hopes to call themselves moral needs to divest everyone from the idea that Zig Forums is National Socialist at all. It is not, it is a GLOBAL BOARD full of the most degenerate faggots and CIAglownigger filth with only ONE GOAL, that is the complete destruction of NATIONAL SOCIALISM at any cost. You guys can sit here all day with this FAGGOT OP debating whether or not FAGGOTRY was cool in Greece or you can realize that the board is UTTERLY compromised by immoral disgusting filth and divest any association to our movement with its nu/pol/ ideologies.


I am on your side…there are larger issue on Zig Forums right now than THE ATTEMPTED NORMALIZATION OF FAGGOTRY IN SOCIETY. That is all this OP is looking to do, achieve some validation for the idea that ass raping a man is a 'good thing' and not fucking disgusting. He is trying to split hairs with you and advance his own agenda of 'acceptable faggotry' in your own mind, by proposing that if you are 'on top' you aren't actually sticking your dick in man shit and causing blood and cum to ooze out of a ruined male sphincter for 2 seconds worth of pleasure. It is the lowest, most debased form of hedonism in the world.
If you are conservative or NS yourself you need to DIVEST yourself from the ideas being espoused on Zig Forums as NS or conservative values and recognize that in a deliberate attempt on conservative values that Zig Forums has been TURNED OVER to the lowest moral denominator that exists on this planet.

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dont fuck off, just kill yourself

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FAGGOTRY WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTABLE. YOU ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH…THERE IS NOTHING LOWER AND MORE DEGENERATE THAN FAGGOTS, YOU MAKE THE KIKES LOOK GOOD. IRONIC SINCE MOST KIKES ARE FAGS, BUT WHATEVER.

ALSO, Zig Forums IS NOT A NATIONAL SOCIALIST BOARD

No, it's supposed to prove the contrary. Homosexuality in ancient Greece HAS BEEN normalized, most normies think that "lol greeks were gay lmao XDDD". The OP is trying to gather the evidence to disprove this popular yet objectively untrue claim.

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Thanks. What I find saddest is that this simple fact is used again and again to sow D&C bullshit between misguided christians and pagans, even though they largely agree on everything, so long as they don't listen to obvious BS that tells them to put some ethereal concept over protecting their brothers and sisters.
I largely recommend everyone read up on both the pagan myths and the writings of Chrétien de Troyes, especially Perceval, Story of the Grail : it shows a true European (dare I say Arianist ?) perspective of christianity, the kind that led to the crusades, instead of the empty wind parroted by must churches these days.
In both cases though, be wary of the quality of the translations you pick, as some cut all of the good stuff.

Well that should be obvious though, parasitic faggots can only maintain the same parasite ratio in society that jews can…so 1-3% max of the populace otherwise they kill the host. Just look at how many times the host was 'killed' and you will be able to count how many time faggotry wasa prevalent in Greece as a 'way of life'. It is not that 'Greeks are fags', ALL MEN ARE FAGS or HAVE THAT POTENTIAL, it is when faggotry is encouraged and allowed like maggots on a corpse (which is why in any REAL NS movement fags would be killed at birth or shortly thereafter or whenever they were found in society). If you wanted to have a government that would last forever, you have to get rid of the things which tear down society.
FAGGOTS NEED EXTERMINATION IN ORDER TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE SOCIETY. Are Greeks faggots? They are the same amount of faggot as ANY OTHER NATION. ==Faggot is just the society destroying aspect of the male psyche.==


Why would I sage you dumb fucking moron? Do you think that I don't want people to read what I have to say? You are dumber than a fucking turnip or the shit on a kike faggots cock.

You are proceeding with (wrong) assumption that homosexuals can't have children.

Who fucking cares whether or not they have children. FAGGOTS are the aspect of the male psyche that destroys society. Do you want to live in chaos and conflict and war? Allow degenerate backbiting bitter disease bearing faggots in your society. They are the destroyers of society like maggots are the destroyers of a corpse.
Anyone with a brain can see that THEY ARE THE DEGENERACY of any society, 'children' or not.
You are still not understanding that FAGGOT is possible for any and every man alive…it is the second face of the male soul. If you purge this degenerate parasitic aspect of the 'male' whenever it appears you will have a sustainable society. Since it can appear at anytime, in any man, it is a BEHAVIOR that must be hunted down and exterminated off the planet in order to ensure peaceful longevity of governments and nations.

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