After completing a 300-million mile journey in six months flat, Never A Straight Answer's (NASA) InSight lander has allegedly landed upon the surface of Mars.
This means that the craft had to travel at a constant rate of an astonishing 112,612 mph.
Once entering the "Martian atmosphere" it had to decelerate from 12,300 mph to 5 mph. A feat that hasn't been replicated here on earth, yet was able to be completed from a distance of millions of miles.
Tax dollars at work gents. At least No AstroNOTS Need Apply (NASA) keeps us up to date with excellent CGI.
Note the attractive and empowered female scientist (actor) who so exuberantly explains this for us. Feminism at its finest. Welcome to the future, anons!
I can't fucking believe people are stupid enough to believe this
Landon Stewart
Anons should work on finding where in Utah this "Mars" rover is. HWNDU redux.
Camden Phillips
Or where all the money budgeted to NASA actually goes.
Logan Harris
Fuck off JIDF. We like Mars, it'll be the home for white people one day. We'll sit back and watch the earth roach jew mutants eat themselves to death. It'll be the best show in the galaxy.
I love how violent the response is when someone points out NASA's fucking bullshit. You guys need to wake up.
Andrew Barnes
The control room looked pretty h'white to me, I was surprised to see it on MSM. I'll have to wait for the google doodle to remind me of how enriched it really was.
When the lander "landed" I did a ton of calculations and looked up everything I could find on it. I could never quite muster the math I needed to do a slam dunk proof that what they described was impossible simply from an energy needed to be dissapated to slow down aspect. Here is the short version. The kinetic energy of the craft was over 1 trillion footlbs at 80 miles above the surface all that energy had to be turned into heat hence the term heat shield should be space brakes. The atmospheric pressure on the surface of mars is 2" H2O or 0.0721824PSI. So basically they enter a near vacuum and magically slow down over 10,000 MPH in order to do this in the time alloted would require over 10 million HP. I calculated it to death any user interested I will post all my shit in the thread
Show me how you dissipate a trillion ft-lbs of energy through a near vacuum? KInetic energy = (velocity^2 x mass)/2 Should be easy for a nasa level genius like you
Easy look on the graph posted and you can find the pressure at any given altitude. Atmospheric composition CO2 89%, Ni 3% Ar 1.6% then you use partial pressures of gases and you calculate the density.
Dylan Hernandez
But how do you know the composition of the atmosphere? Was it from NASA data? But if NASA gives out fake info, how could your calculation be correct? Checkmate, atheists!
Oliver Barnes
Where did the information on the graph come from?
Joshua Rodriguez
From nasa or find your own. All I did was use all the data they said are facts and used it against them.
James James
user used what NASA presented to prove what they were doing was wrong. Nice fallacy there bud.
Samuel Foster
Great thread. NASA is bullshit. Always has been.
Good point. The White race has many reasons to be proud of its achievements. No need to add fake ones to the list, even if it sounds cool.
Benjamin Turner
I'm going to love seeing Musk send a rocket to Mars, and watch the ULA shills autistically screech.
the Diverse NASA spent 200 billion dollars on the shuttle program, while Musk boot strap start up a rocket company with his own money, which surmounts to what the diverse NASA admin leadership uses to wipe their ass with every year.
Musk will build a reusable Saturn rocket that will launch payloads for less money than the delta 5 rockets.
Watch the SLS scam fall apart overnight & retired for a new system that's built over night when Musk builds his 8,000 internet satellite constellation. The SLS will be retired because there are will most likely be at least 3 similar in size constellations to be build by competing ISPS by American corporations alone.
ULA will shitcan the SLS program to build a rocket that makes business sense, and can be launched more than once every 4 years. We will all see how much of a scam the SLS when we see how quickly ULA would be able to launch a BFR competitor, compared to how long they struggled with the SLS program.
So I live in the woods and some person I was by in town well getting groceries mentioned him. What is he exactly?
Justin Clark
This is poo. You're all full of poo, especially OP. QED.
Grayson Wood
Interesting.
Xavier Mitchell
They said they slowed the fucking city bus down from 13,000 mph to about 900 mph only using the heat shield through near vacuum.
Here is all the public domain data that I used.
Lander Total Mass 8130 Lbs EDL 5290 lbs, Fuel 860 lbs, Rover 1980 lbs Heat Shield Dia 15 ft, Area 176.7 ft^2 Material PICA, Density 0.00975 lb/in^3 Peak Temp 3790ºF Mars Acceleration due to gravity 12.17 ft/s^2, Dia 4,217 Miles, Atmospheric Pressure Hellas Plantita 0.1675 Psi, Olympus Mons 0.0044 Psi, Olympus Mons height 14 miles, Atmospheric composition CO2 89%, Ni 3% Ar 1.6% Velocities at altitude Entry interface 13,200 mph at 78 miles, Parachute deploy 900 mph at 7 miles, Back shell separation 180 mph at 1 mile Mars mass 6.41693 × 1023 kilograms 1.4146908900618e+24 lbs
254 seconds entry interface to parachute deploy = 366994389554 ftlb/min = 11,121,044 HP
Freaking Russian trolls and hackers trying to denigrate another great American achievement. Ignore them. Go Team NASA!!!
John Howard
Fuckton of money, but instead of using his money to get even more money and power like most rich guys instead he's pulling a full Ozymandias and trying to throw humanity into space so he can be in the history books. He's making a lot of progress, but he's not the most stable guy anymore and might be a few bad days away from going full Green Goblin at this point now that he's being booted from his own company.
Benjamin Reyes
Let us have nice things, not everything must be a fake and gay conspiracy.
Brandon Davis
Wrong. Literally everything is fake and gay.
Ryan Morales
OP gets it with what he posted here I focused solely on this aspect of it the initial deceleration through a vacuum using the heat shield. Another thing I looked and looked and could never find the specific heat of the amazing heat shield material they used. It should be an easily found value but nothing no where stated the value.
Once entering the "Martian atmosphere" it had to decelerate from 12,300 mph to 5 mph. A feat that hasn't been replicated here on earth, yet was able to be completed from a distance of millions of miles.
Eli Butler
That picture is proof that liberals are full of shit when they would say they would use DoD funding for NASA.
Heck they get angry when rich people use their money to directly contribute to lifting humanity into space, rather than to give it to some bloated & corupt government institute.
The Amazon CEO wanted to directly aid the Seatle homeless with his own money rather than to give the money to a government slush fund that the lefties skim to line their pockets.
Some wealthy musician built oversized doghouses that were lockable for the homeless. The city that he build thsoe shelters for forced him to destroy the dog houses.
Musk wanted to send something to Mars on a Russian rocket. What happened to Musk was that the Russians refused to build him a rocket, so Musk got butthurt and built his own company.
Now the Russians might be out of a rocket industry due to how badly he fucked them over. I recall that they might now start using his company to launch hardware because the rocket launches are very cheap.
Jack Bell
Checked for reported for announcing report.
Josiah Nguyen
The pint of the matter is that NASA can't even keep its own facts straight. It's astonishing. What's more astonishing is how many people cum their pants at so utterly ridiculous a photo that looks like an unfocused capture of a soiled slide underneath a microscope. What's astonishing is their claim to be able to do things that are physically impossible here on earth on mars which is millions of miles away. Fuck the supposed conditions of the atmosphere or the bullshit ill-defined theory of gravity. Regardless of claims that those factors make it more attainable, the sheer unimaginable distance from the command center to the supposed target destination makes the entire premise an exercise in comedy and a testing of the nativity of the world.
What they are having us believe is that they've slowed down a very heavy space craft that was traveling at about thrice rifle bullet speed with a parachute in a near vacuum to 5 mph in 7 minutes from hundreds of millions of miles away.
Keep it coming. Math isn't my strong suit, but you seem brilliant.
This entire situation is ludicrous.
Wyatt Brooks
Russian ….trolls
Josiah Morgan
You okay Hillary?
Josiah Carter
This is some next level shitposting.
Nathan Bailey
I wish they weren't bullshit, but they are. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to deceive anyone. I just don't like being condescended to and patronized by the US Government (literally govern=control ment=mind).
David Roberts
What a time to be alive
Bentley Campbell
wtf is that?
Bentley Sullivan
What did OP mean by this? Bullets can go that speed and decelerate to 0 miles per hour by hitting a wall **The Space Shuttle itself has a orbital speed of 1750mph but nothing NASA did is reel according to OP so we can't count that I guess*
Logan Price
I am far from brilliant but I will show you some of my calculations I only focused on the initial slow down and like I said it was over a trillion ft-lbs of kinetic and potential energy. Think of it this way it is about a city bus 4 tons with a 15 foot diameter magic heat shield on the front it is going 13K mph -→ 900 mph in 254 seconds
Total energy = kinetic energy + potential energy
KE = 1/2 (mv^2) m= 8130 lbm v= 13,200 mph x (1hour / 3600 sec) x (5280 ft/ 1 mile) = 19,360 ft/s
Initial KE = 1/2 (8130 x 19,360^2) = ((lb sec^2)/ft) (ft^2/sec^2)=1,523,601,024,000 ft-lb
PE = mgh m= 8130 lbm g=12.17 ft/s^2 h= (78 mi + (4,217/2 mi)) x (5280 ft/ 1 mile)= 11,544,720 ft
Initial PE = 8130 x 12.17 x 11,544,720 = ((lb sec^2)/ft) (ft/s^2) (ft) = 1,142,258,840,712 ft-lb
Initial total energy = 1,523,601,024,000 ft-lb + 1,142,258,840,712 ft-lb = 2,665,859,864,712 ft-lb
Energy remaining at parachute deploy
KE = 1/2 (mv^2) m= 8130 lbm v= 900 mph x (1hour / 3600 sec) x (5280 ft/ 1 mile) = 1,320 ft/s
KE = 1/2 (8130 x 1,320^2) = 7,082,856,000 ft-lb
PE = mgh m= 8130 lbm g=12.17 ft/s^2 h= 7 mi + (4,217/2 mi) x (5280 ft/ 1 mile)= 11,169,840 ft
PE = 8130 x 12.17 x 11,169,840 = 1,105,167,426,264 ft-lb
Total remaining energy = 7,082,856,000 ft-lb + 1,105,167,426,264 ft-lb = 1,112,250,282,264 ft-lb
Initial energy - Remaining energy = Energy used
Energy used = 2,665,859,864,712 ft-lb - 1,112,250,282,264 ft-lb = 1,553,609,582,448 ft-lb
Jayden Roberts
That could easily be explained as a stitching issue though.
Hudson Nguyen
So the average g-force would be roughly 2 g which is nothing. I'm too lazy too look up a weight but let's over-do it and say it weight five fucking metric tons.
A quick search gave this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE90 So one single modern turbo fan engine give fives times the thrust the heat shield would have to provide in retarding force, assuming the rover and all that shit would weigh 5 tons. There is nothing unrealistic here whatsoever.
Now this of course assumes a constant deceleration, which of course doesn't happen, but doing a quick sanity check and starting from zero (no atmosphere) and then ramping up linearly we just need to double the peak retarding force to achieve the same deceleration in the same amount of time, so at it's peak about 43 m/s² or 4 g and needing about 216 kN of force (about half of what a modern airline engine produces) for a mass of 5,000 kg. Now I think in real life it peaks at around 10 g because physics, but that is still just about one air plane engine.
It's a dust cover.
Eli Taylor
You're not really alive though, that's the thing. Everything is fake and gay. There's an infographic floating around proving it conclusively.
Jackson Phillips
So they wouldn't give this massive mars landing rover windshield wipers? Classic (((NASA)))
Cherry picking the womyn engineers is retarded in its own way.
11.000HP is a lot if it's instantaneous deceleration. But we're talking about 278 seconds here, if we divide it and say there is a constant deceleration during this period, it's only about 40HP/s which is about 29kW/s. Heat shield material used by NASA in th 90's can absorb about 1.2kW/cm2. This means we need a heatshield with an area at around 24cm2. Of course you need to calculate the atmospheric resistance to figure out what surface area you need. If the problem is atmospheric density, you simply make the glide slope more horizontal to allow for more deceleration. With the atmosphere at earth, we have to decelerate from about 12km/s, only difference is the angle of the ballistic trajectory.
Or you design covers that are disconnected after debris settles, but you are the genius here.
Joseph Reed
Underrated post. You certainly explained it way better than me.
Ethan Cox
Kinda reminds me of how we haven't been back to the moon and decades despite vast resources, and then later suddenly give a shit about Mars out of literally nowhere. Also no explanation on how the landing craft on the Moon could escape its gravity even if its 1/10th the force of Earth it takes 26,000MPH to break out of our atmosphere. So either that figure is bullshit or there is bullshit somewhere else in science. Either way its bullshit in and bullshit out.
Also nobody questions why NASA literally lost the blueprints for building rockets given to them by the Nazi's somehow after they mostly all died. It's that straight up civilization meme with blacks. A random Elon Musk comes along and suddenly has his own blueprints and he's got robotic rockets that can shoot and re-land in the same spot and nobody says fucking anything about it.
Fuck all these glow in the dark niggers.
Nolan Peterson
Is that estimate calculated for trajectory, or is it just if you drew a straight line between Earth and Mars?
Jace Sanders
Nigga do you know the current price of sending 1kg of material into orbit?
Jason Williams
I'm taking my figures from NASA's testimony given to AP and CNN.
John Flores
Because it was either that or the Space Shuttle, you can't do both. Put yourself in NASAs position, you have a limited budget, have done several moon landings already that cost trillions in total, and you have a opportunity to move ahead with developing a next-generation partially reusable launch vehicle that's potentially cheaper instead of continuing to use 1950s era rocket technology. What would you fucking do? The moon has no atmosphere so less wind resistance to worry about.
I thought it was a Russian Astronaut that found the hole. There was a video of it and that photo was not what they showed originally.
Connor Wood
why do we call this site 8ch anymore? just call it infowars and let everyone post nothing but outlandish conspiracy theories about aliens, flat earth, fake moon landing, lizard people, bush did 9/11, etc.
Gabriel Torres
I still trust them becausse I know they used flex tape
Charles Murphy
Blue Sky
Austin Moore
oh he apologized while crying like a baby? nevermind
Evan Smith
fyi, there's still russians posting here. OP is just another example. any american that falls for this kind of crap deserves to have his mouth filled with putin's semen.
Gavin Thomas
Holy shit! We found alien life on mars?! Why isn't this being reported on?!
Jaxon Fisher
This shit is way more taxing on the souls, the wallets, and the resources of the American people than if everyone just played video games and built their economy around that somehow.
tip jej 'nazis' already made a base on the moon and mars
Blake Cook
oh also, nasa are freemasons
Julian Stewart
I gotta be honest who really gives a shit these days? It's not because space isn't cool its that its so far out of this fucking world the way its presented you might as well say space travel is like finding the end of an abyss.
I mean what is to get hyped about space in today's world? To extend the Globo-Homo Empire across the solar system and to other systems? Spread diversity and multiculturalism? From our point we see it as feasible and the future, but at the same time to crush this planet into submission before we extend ourselves outwards we have to focus inwards. It's not like we're getting off this shitty planet until we free up time and resources to deal with this shit storm we're in right now.
All of this is fucked. Planets fucked. Space opportunities are fucked. We're fucked. NASA's just as fucked. It didn't have to be this way either but I'm beginning to see the Ancient Flood was the only way to reset things to try again.
Take your sight off that escapist nonsense user. None of it means anything except some fantasies fed to you through "science fiction".
Adrian Cox
uh you have it backwards. white people shall rule the earth. once transport and colonization of Mars becomes feasible, we're rounding up all the niggers, spics, chinks and goat fuckers into camps and then deporting them to Mars on board space ships shaped like the Hakencreuz
Sorry but you are found out. Once pol wakes up to the flat earth it’s only a matter of time before the npcs wake up.
Nathaniel Foster
I don't get it, why do people have such a hard time believing that space exploration is a real thing? What fucking purpose would kikes have to fake it?
Levi Brown
It's probably just boomers who came here from the Q bullshit.
