Neopaganism isn't a tradition, it isn't based on an unbroken chain handed down through the ages but rather is a made up modern pseudo-religion (if you could even call it that) with no relationship to the real ancient paganism, thus I fail to see how any sincere spiritual seeker could take it seriously.Neopaganism is based on scraps of cosmology and mythology, and mostly from Christian (or Roman in the case of early observations on Celto-Germanic paganism and thus still extraneous) sources, which don't show us what parts of said myths may be Christian (or foreign) interpolations (or misunderstandings.) The interpretations of these myths are based on academic or enthusiast studies, not the authentic esoteric interpretation of the ancient world, which is impossible to know.Neopagans fail to see that the traditional Christian religion (pre-modern Catholicism) is not only the successor to the Mosaic religion, but just as much if not more the successor to the Greco-Roman spiritual world, and the Celto-Germanic world beyond the Alps. Thus the higher elements of ancient paganism continues to live through traditional Catholicism, which is infused with the spiritual culture, aesthetics, and values of the European people which adopted it. It also fails to see that one can love, appreciate, and identify with their pagan past while remaining a Christian (see Wagner, Tolkien, etc.) Neo pagans fail to see that religions come from God, either springing directly from the Primordial Age (Hinduism), from the insights of a sage who encounters Truth directly via gnosis (Buddhism), or from the supposed revelation of a prophet (Islam.) An authentic religous tradition can't spring up from any vague notions of the "psyche" of a people
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I'm not a 'pagan' per se but a tree that grows today is no less a tree than those that grew 10,000 years ago. If they grow from the same seed, they're the same thing.
The seed is the European soul. Different environmental conditions might affect its growth so that it looks different today, but it's the same species.
But God is a German word for Godin. You worship EL as Jesus did.
Why?
Shouldn't spirituality be based upon your relationship with God or the Gods?
Modern man has very little to do with an ancient ethnic warrior people blood or not..
>(((gnosis)))
>(((Esoteric)))
It's that leaf jew who runs (((druid/pol/))) again.
The word "soul" in Greek (as in the Gospels) is actually psyche. That's the word used. That's how fucking stupid you are. You're not even Christian. You're just a larper.
An authentic religous tradition can't spring up from any vague notions of the "psyche" of a people..
its idiotic to say
The tradition is called Western Civilization and yes, it goes back to Pagan times. It is Christians that try to artificially seperate us from out ancestors and make us a pseudo-religion.
there faith created and developed with them as time went on..
it wasn't created by bored christians trying to rebel
RETARD!
Psyche is a Greek word translated to "soul" in English.
You're saying the religious traditions (redundent because the word religion is Latin for "tradition") can't come from the soul. That's what you're saying.
Wow, neopaganism is gay LARPing shit. What a fucking incredible revelation.
What is the point of this thread. As far as I can tell, no-one on Zig Forums advocates for neopaganism.
thats absolute bullshit
Every surviving aspect of pre Christian culture survived through Catholicism.. paganism is not some easily definable encompassing faith .. it’s small regional ethnic traditions, that survive through greater Catholicism ..
You forgot our people self converted most of the times and they’re prechristian beliefs melded with Catholicism ..
Honestly we know very little how they viewed there faith , or even practiced it ..
Yes we know of some major festivals and celebrations but the very essence of there beliefs and practices are lost ..
But they live on through regional forms of Catholicism.. if you’ve noticed many Protestant areas purged these traditional syncretic practices which makes it even harder..
That’s why in areas like Ireland or Italy major catholic areas many syncretic e still remain
lol look around
yea a lion that spends there time posting memes on Zig Forums
I see people advocating for Paganism, and for Christianity. What do you see?
Fuck off kike shill.
People sage this retard shit and stop replying to christbots.
Well "neo" means "new", and "pagan" means "folk traditions". So it would mean new folk traditions.
I think people don't want to be involved with larpers because they're weirdos like the gnostic-Leaf-(((druidpol))) shills. But folk trad is just normal Christmas celebrations because it's actually Yule for example.
Im trying to wake people up.
neo paganism has absolutely nothing to do with our ancestors.its a modern pseudo faith.our ancestors converted to catholicism and added many of there regional ethnic superstitions and beliefs. saints, martyr veneration, holy sites, altars, baptism
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thats exactly what im saying. catholicism syncretized with the native beliefs and traditions of people who converted. every pagan festival, celebration and even writing was saved by catholics
Religion is not culture, this isn't difficult, when we became Catholics, that became our religion, not out culture, which stayed European.
This isn't difficult to see.
Actually, Protestantism is partly a return to Germanic paganism, when it destroys these practises, it is destroying Celto-Roman Paganism and replaced it with a more Germanic outlook, like no images in church, work hard to achieve succes in life, the focus on ascetics in Calvinism has more to do with Havamal then the Bible.
The Christfag has prayed so long without answer that he cannot imagine a revival coming from the gods themselves. Messy and young though the neopagan tradition is, its gods have been dormant long, and had time to sleep, and dream the language of the people on this earth. Age is of no consequence to a religion, for what is time to a god? All that matters is efficacy. Does the worshipper serve something worthy of worship? Does the worshipped reward loyalty with loyalty? Those questions, not age, determine the worthiness of a religion.
Nobody is becoming Catholic, bro. Your preists are gay pedos and the Vatican City is full of gay sex clubs in the tunnels. And the Pope is a Marxist. Saints are just pagan gods half the fucking time. And Jesus was a Rabbi who faught the Yahweh cult for his daddy EL.
It's just not worth anything. Especially since they destroyed our history, mix with savages, and demand money while fucking kids and telling you to live for death.
Neo paganism is nothing.. its a modern faith with modern ideals, most of it is based on text written by christian monks.. and every ancient mystical superstitious element is lost.. those elements survive through pre madden traditional catholicism.
many of people traditional views are christian in nature
1 Close family unit
2 importance of marriage
3 Anti abortion
4 Continued practice of tradition
5 huge family's
Neo pagan traditions with absoultey nothing to do with the ancient peoples..
yea real cool dude
LOL!
Jews have a plan to try and turn Celts (who were centered in Gaul {France, Germany, Spain} against the German Natsoc fans.
No serious academic or scholar believes that, it is an outright lie.
And Christianity in its modern form would be unrecognizable to early Christians. Jesus himself wouldn't even recognize his own religion.
Of course, why do you think you see so many D&C threads aimed against either Anglos or the French?
I am sorry, my argument to powerful, it is true, Protestantism is basically Christianity with a Germanic outlook, while Catholicism is Christianity with a Celto-Roman outlook.
destroyed your history, it was saved by catholic monks.. and most were self converting dude sooo..
idk you can go ahead and keep on practicing spiritually according to tumblr blogs and youtube videos .. but catholicism is the real connection with our ancestors
well catholicism is based on tradition, pre vatican 2 catholicism was practiced the same way for 2000 years
PAGAN
1. Disparaging and Offensive.
+ relating to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, jewish, nor Muslim.
+ irreligious or hedonistic; a heathen.
+ (of a person) uncivilized or unenlightened.
Origin:
Don't ever use this word you fucking jewniggerfaggotmonkey.
Oh no, how nice that they bothered to save some culture, after destroying everything else.
It's true.
The "eternal anglo", the "Celtic Irish conspiroucy", the "french arent white!". It's all the Jews.
thats idiotic during the reformation native practices were purged..thats when the witch hunt jumped off..
in comparison look at ireland many folk elements and celebrations still live today ie Wren day, st johns day
No. Families are a European Pagan invention. In fact, it is a biological fact.
No. Pagans did.
Only because abortion only happens in Christian societies.
Fake and gay. Especially considering MOST of Christianity is pirated off of Pagan traditions.
No. It is a Pagan one.
Only ONE of your points was true. Everything else is European Paganism.
Nonsense. Catholics of the 10th century would call you a heretic.
That's what I said Jew
well the converted themselves.. so you know..alot of there traditions were added in to the modern catholicism..
literally everything we know of is based on catholics ..holy sites, celebrations, festivals, text, mythology lol
Exacly, believing in witches is an element of ancient Germanic paganism, Catholics banned witch hunts, because the existence of witches means that God is not all powerful.
pope francis doesn't speak for traditional catholics
Pagans are just fedora tipping leftist who got "woke" on race realism.
it was even more mystical back then
Neo paganism is literally cultural atheism ..
its living history, every spiritual element is removed
No, we have hundreds of authentic texts, describing mainly Greco-Roman customs, but also Nordic paganism.
This is a fact, I know, Christians life in a fantasy world, but we can hardly credit Christians for saving a culture, they helped destroy.
Unlike Christians, who still haven't woken up on race realism and are stilll leftists.
no, catholics allowed syncretic elements to thrive..
the protestants cracked down on every aspect that was pre christian and destroyed it .. they removed every european element from christianity.
For you faggots that filter tor like the jews tell you to:
PAGAN
1. Disparaging and Offensive.
+ relating to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, jewish, nor Muslim.
+ irreligious or hedonistic; a heathen.
+ (of a person) uncivilized or unenlightened.
Origin:
Don't ever use this word you fucking jewniggerfaggotmonkey.
No it was destroyed by them and Masons
Christianity and its sub-secs like Islam destroyed human history in:
Every where it went it erased history and replaced it with Genesis.
are you serious the greco/roman observations are very minimal .. everything you know of mythology is from christians ..
and whether you like it or not christianity not only saved your culture it merged it .. folk christian practices continued until the reformation which attempted to destroy those pre christian elements
You wrote that 'pagan' = "folk traditions".
That is not what it means.
Like 'Nazi', it is an insult for "country folk". Anything to attack the forest people.
Yes. It was also more pagan. In fact, each village had its own variation on Catholic practices. Much like Europeanism before Christianity..
Except witchhunts, puritanism, ascetics, focus on the word instaid of ritual, banning images from churches, hard work and wordly succes as a proof of being saved, apocalyptics, hyper-individual or atleast regional churches, etc. all similar to Germanic paganism.
Yes user, the hundreds of authentic books and quotations from hundreds of authors are only minimal.
Look, I know you are totally uneducated, but it's a fact a lot of Greek and Roman literature survived. It's a fact, this is not debatable.
Real talk.
I ask every Christian and Catholic if they are Middleeastern, since they practice a Middleeastern religion and not their ancestral European one; nature.
You can't read very well:
Religion is Latin for traditions
All of those things you mentioned are not European traditions.
Especially removing images from churches. Europeans placed great valueon decorating our places of worship with images of the Gods and their deeds.
And Calvanist materialism is the root of modern problems of capitalism and liberalism.
Yes catholicism is the successor to the greco/roman celto/germanic world..
saints, celebrations, veneration of the dead, holy sites, altars , and prayer ,
During the height of medieval civilization, one could go from Scotland to Sicily or from Portugal to Poland and encounter the same religion, the same rites, the same knightly chivalry, the same ethos, and thus a spiritual unity which has only been rivaled in European history by the early Roman Empire, indeed eclipsing it by encompassing more of Europe than Rome did.
and its funny christianity litterally created anti semitism, the death of jesus was blamed on the jesus for centuries after,
After Christians burned down the libraries and philosophy schools and hospitals and chased the philosophers (the teachers) out of the Roman Empire and into Persia.
The reason we have half the fucking writings from Greeks/Romans is because the Persians had them.
I wish. There is very little written on the Gauls (Germanc, Slavic, and Celtic tribes) other than by Roman writers like Pliny. I have searched far and wide. There should be a history book thread to identify all these books.
better than a pseudo religon started by some nerd in the 70s with literally nothing to do with real paganism
So Communism is the successor of the European/American world? Because that's the logic you're using.
Greco/roman accounts of various pre christian tribes you idiot..
the majority of our accounts come from christian monks
nope, the higher elements of ancient paganism continues to live through traditional Catholicism, which is infused with the spiritual culture, aesthetics, and values of the European people which adopted it
yea how do you practice this ancient extremely non larp faith friend
jews did 9/11 faggot
THIS
IF CATHOLICS WERE REAL — THEY WOULD KILL THE POPE!
But they're larpers
there is no such thing you cutdick faggot.
Kill the Pope then and prove your faith.
Okay, tell me what you'd rather be called and I'll consider it.
Juicy trips
thats absolute bullshit..
the library of alexandria was empty when the "christians" burned it..
and didn't cease burn it the first time hmmm
ALL THE CUTDICKS ITT
Your god is a jew.
Witchhunts: one of the main insults used in the poetic edda is calling someone a witch, witchcraft was considered ergi, unmanly, cowardly with a hint of sexual perversion.
Puritanism: the norse concept of sin, ergi means cowardly and sexually pervese, the God of evil is Loki, who embodies sexual perversion, it is clear the concept of evil is embodied as cowardish and sexual perversion.
Ascetism: See havamal, don't eat to much, don't drink to much, learn to make do with little, always carry a weapon, Odin ascetic sacrifices etc.
Focus on the word: the tradition of galdr and poetry being inspired by the sacred mead, the idea that magic is poetry and language.
Images: The worship in grove, trees, heaps of stones, the building of temples being late, the Gods are manifested through nature, some are nature, thus images are not overtly used.
Hard work, succes: See beowulf, the king is divine because he ensures prosperity, the cult of freyr bringing prosperity, a mans worth is measured by bravery first then by his wealth.
Apocalyptics, the belief just like all indo-european religions in a cycle of worlds where this world renews itself, one fights to prepare for ragnarok, the entire religion being build around the end times.
Hyper-individual/ethnic: A strong sense of individualism see havamal again, paired to a tribal mentality.
Neh, we have them because after Christianity won, they became lacks and they needed some of the texts to make their societies work and become competitive.
It is a very important one.
Idk. European.
its literally cultural atheism, living history..
call it
EUROPEANISM
Anyone can go online and see that's not true.
No you haven't.
and christianity is extremely hellenic..
its literally the successor to the greco/roman spiritual world..
Kill the Pope then and prove your faith.
sauce
Kill the Pope then and prove your faith.
how about
WE DON’T
How about the text that are not?
christianity is literally the successor to the greco/roman spiritual world..
the romans are the ones that developed the faith ..
constantine…the council of nicea ..duhhh
I can't take people who talk like hipster serious.
Kill the Pope then and prove your faith.
Old Catholics would have but you're a larper because Christianity is dead
what the fuck are you talking about thats the norse ..
the gauls are continental celts you fucking idiot .. there is very little known about them ..
even the norse we have the edda and the sagas ..
written by who hmmmmm christians
Kill the Pope then and prove your faith.
Old Catholics would have but you're a larper because Christianity is dead
That's all there is to it.
Witch hunts are literally Christians accusing Europeans of being too traditional (pagan) and then burning them.
Puritanism is essentially modern day liberalism.
Ascetism is European true, but not to the level the Cromwellists took it. But I'll grant you that.
Rituals are important. So is individual spirituality. Ancient Europeans practiced loads of rituals. They bring communities together.
Fair enough. I'll grant you that. I interpreted what you said incorrectly. Apologies.
Okay, true. I'll grant that.
Except that Protestants believe in universalism and think that only by EVERYONE accepting their specific Bible will they get to heaven. And instead of leaving people alone, they consider it their duty to convert the world to their faith.
at least catholicism has some semblance of traditions.. asatru and other neo pagans have zero..
there whole spiritual world is based on scraps of mythology written by christians
As you wish.
I often do that already but sometimes I use "Pagan" to clarify what I mean.
Almost the same religion as those of the continental Germans….
Never mentioned the Gauls.
In other words we have authentic sources….
No serious academic believes that, the poems and quotations of poems from the Eddas and saga's can be clearly dated to pagan times, because the language is older.