Recent Shilling Developments

Shills and You

I am going to do my best to outline a number of recurring themes I have been observing the past few days with respect to shilling. First, we must acknowledge that the best psychological warfare teams in the world are up against us. We have billions of dollars of research being directed to make us unsure of ourselves, unsure of those around us, and unsure of what is true. Ever since this media clusterfuck with Nick Sandmann started we have been under siege. I have been arguing with people the past few days about this and some of them have been shills, others, however are anons who are falling prey to their tactics.

First, how can you know the difference? The shills I have been seeing (real people not bots) are not stupid. Their only downfall is they must argue using weak points. Shills refuse to listen to or refute strong arguments, and when they do their own logic isn’t good or they just refuse to acknowledge a point. Examples I have personally seen are the recent attempts to remove national socialists from white nationalists and the right wing in general. Their tactics are as follows:
/oneofus/ argument
This tactic is used to say people who use the “wrong” wordage or formatting are not real oldfags or are simply shills. They will call you out for spelling doxing with two x’s, saying nazi instead of National Socialist, capitalizing jew, and I have even received accusations of shilling for putting two spaces at the end of my sentences. Essentially, they use the old troll technique of being a “grammar nazi” with respect to Zig Forums culture.
Anyone Who Does Anything IRL is jewish
This has been going on for a long time and should be somewhat obvious to people who are paying attention. Someone says or does something which is beneficial to white people, and all of a sudden their great aunt married a jew and now they are no longer able to be taken seriously. I agree that jews are not to be trusted, however, this division of support is greatly crippling the interests of white people. The argument used is “we can not allow the presence of people who want to subvert our cause.” If some highschooler in a maga hat is an underground agent to join and subvert the pure National Socialist movement and is a serious enough threat to be concerned about, we are pathetic. Look at the example of Hogg, the kid was a subverter and he had to have adults do the talking for him. Remember whenever someone tried to talk to him? A jew always stepped in and made sure nobody could make a fool of him because he was a kid. What this is about is making the right punish everyone who stands up for them. We are being tricked into attacking ourselves. Unless we all start standing up for people who advance white interests, who will want to? Would you want to do something controversial in public, knowing the people you wish to help will instantly turn on you and throw you under the bus? Until people who want to advance white interests start supporting people who try to advance white interests, there can be no progress.

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Anything Associated with Trump is Bad/jewish
Trump is a friend of jews. We know this. Everyone who was around prior to 2016 knows this. His daughter is jewish. We get it. People here supported trump because it was funny. That’s it. We know he won’t save the white race. A wall would be nice but I will believe it when I see it. It is entertainment. People wearing MAGA hats are IRL trolls. Leftists are sent into bouts of rage over a stupid hat. It is funny. Wearing a MAGA hat doesn’t mean one supports Israel, though trump does (we will see how much depending on how Syria develops, gogo Iran!).
There is no such thing as Right Wing/NatSoc is third position
This is an incredibly pedantic argument over nothing but technicalities and nomenclature. A one dimensional political spectrum only has left and right. A two dimensional political spectrum looks like the four colored graph with authoritarian vs libertarian and (funnily enough) left vs right on the other axis. Left vs. Right is one of the most common and well recognized political descriptors out there. It is incredibly broad and doesn’t really tell you much, but you can get a rough idea of what someone is saying. It is incredibly stupid to believe that someone’s argument should be criticized for using such common terms. Have you ever heard of Third Position Death Squads as a meme? I didn’t think so.
Ideological Purity is the Most Important Thing
This is the greatest tactic employed to try to divide and conquer the broadly defined “right wing.” This is the equivalent of “stay in your containment board.” Were NatSocs to only hang around other NatSocs, how would they effectively spread propaganda and recruit people? Second, there is strength in numbers. Remember, it is DIVIDE and conquer not UNITE and conquer. Requiring everyone have ideological purity does nothing but halt our progress. How many people here disagreed with Zig Forums when they first arrived? How could you have learned what you now know if you hadn’t been around people you disagreed with? The only viable means of recruitment is by being around groups we may not agree with. The truth will triumph, we simply must be willing to share it.
Discouraging Action
In a very general manner, there is a trend discouraging constructive action amongst the right wing. The only posts I suspect to be shills which encourage action seem to be siegeposters. I cannot be certain if they are, as accelerationism seems to be the political position du jour, but the overall unproductive tone of these posts simply doesn’t seem useful. Positive action which serves to recruit others should be the goal. We can argue this all day, and sometimes I too see accelerationism as the best option, but we should not let such positions stop us from “standing our ground” while not going to jail. Much of this point ties into what I have said about the right ganging up on people who do things which advance white interests or demonstrate the absurdity of leftists. We should be encouraging and standing with people who are sticking up for us, not looking for reasons to throw them under the bus.

General Guidelines All Anons Should Know
Look for effort in posts. Low effort is more likely to be a troll. Look for honest discussion in calm tones, shills want you to get emotional not logical. Look for human qualities. Is this something a bot could post based upon keywords? If something challenges your beliefs, make sure it is right. Check the facts, make sure there is data (empirical evidence) behind any statement before accepting it. Most importantly, read the article, watch the video, check the source. Shills will say something happened that didn’t and kick and scream saying that it did. They are paid to do this.

Evaluating Events
Does this help me and my interests? If yes, it is good, if no it is bad. I don't care if the most aryan person in the world is doing it, if it hurts me or my interests it is bad. Just like I don't care if some amerimutt does something that helps white people world wide, it is good because it advances my interests. Right now, all efforts are being made to D&C the right wing. Just because someone is a baste nigger doesn't mean you have to denounce them for doing something that helps you. It's not like you won't get 100 chances to denounce blacks for every time you have to be nice to someone who is helping your interests. Did Bismarck work for the interest of England or Germany? Did he sometimes do things that benefited England because they also benefited Germany? Yes, he did. Who ended up stronger because of it, because he worked will all of Europe and took something from each of them? Germany.
Common Sense
When has a group denying allies and reducing their numbers ever paid off in the past? When has a group gaining allies and increasing their numbers led to victory? Look at things in simple terms like these. Don't let convoluted jewish arguments make you sabotage your goals. The goal is to make America and Europe white again. First, we need to get funding (visa closed down Hatreon, this is an area of serious concern). Next, we need to get organized (but we need money for this). Only then can action be taken. Fuck all of this shit about lone wolves and siegefags. We need money damn it. We need organization. We need a real political platform. The NSDAP took power because it was organized. Right now, all we are doing is arguing more about who is white enough to be /oneofus/ and denouncing a golden opportunity to further erode confidence in the media because the kid has a big nose. Doesn't that sound crazy?

Everyone who isn’t familiar with the concept of realpolitik needs to read about it. It is the greatest achievement of the greatest practical politician of all time. We need to start using it.

Bump because too many people engage shills. Here's my list some of their most effective bait.


If you can see those three tactics, you are more powerful than you realize.

I see a lot of that from what I suspect to be bots. I always joke that they seem to have advanced AI to the point of a 13 year old halo 2 player. I also notice people I perceive to be shills seem to use kike and yid a lot more than normal posters. The words and phrases they use seem to be far more aggressive than organic posters and I believe it is a tactic to try to change the culture of the board.

They know they have no good candidates for 2020, so they're doing everything they can to get anyone remotely right wing to stay home and not vote. For decades, voting in America has been choosing the lesser of two evils. We finally have someone who is mediocre as opposed to total shit, and they want everyone right wing to stay home and not vote.

Good thread OP. It's frustrating to see posters, especially newfriends, fall for such obvious shilling/bait.

This is how I know you're a shill, OP.

Not personally. I supported (and support) Donald Trump because the alternative was evil beyond imagination. Every earthly and Satanic force was arrayed against him to subvert and sabotage his presidential bid. That alone should be clue enough which was (and is) the right choices. As for the globalist kikes, fuck them. Does anyone here really believe their evil would have been less under Shitlary?

BIG NEWS

TRUMP CUCKED ON THE WALL

Except Mossad and the entire media apparatus which did nothing but give him thousands of hours of free advertising, while burnt assets took dives all around him.
Got some beachfront property in Arizona for you.

Trump is still a Jewish puppet and this shit thread doesn't change a damn thing about that.

I know, I was talking with someone the other day on here and he ended up thanking me for helping him see how paranoid they had made him. That's really been my motivation. If we lose our morale we will lose our effectiveness. Imageboards are for fun. We need to get back to having fun. If you see a shill in a thread, don't tell them they are wrong or call them a shill, support the user arguing with them.


I agree that trump was certainly much better for America and Americans, but he isn't really capable of reversing 100 years of globalist subversion starting with Woodrow Wilson. Also, the accelerationist would argue hillary would have been better, but hypotheticals are largely a waste of time.

A shill for who?
Please pontificate for us weary Anons.

Calling out the evils these groups represent isn't shilling if it's honest evaluation. There are other evils in the world besides just the kikes user.

Obviously White women need to be saved, but right now they are literally the single greatest evil being used by the Jews against the West. Their selfish depravity combined with the power of the vote has directly led to the power the kikes wield around the world today.

Heh, I'll presume you're honest and not a shill. I also presume you were awake and watching during the 2016 US elections. Further, I'll presume you are an actual adult.

Given those presuppositions, do you honestly think the entire apparatus wasn't arrayed against Zognald Drumpf user? It was an unprecedented and incredibly outrageous and flagrant violation of the Fourth branch and MSM. They literally threw every single thing against him to stop. Thankfully, God thumbed His nose at the whole lot and put Teflon Don in place anyway. The alternative would have been the literal demon-possessed Hillary Clinton, serial murderer.


No of course not user, as you say.

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They will send a few to this thread, but it won't be for a little while. They have to create a script before they start. I am looking forward to it. Every time I talk to them I learn more about their tactics and where their arguments break down. They won't ever admit defeat though. They post over and over again, using blatantly false arguments or they will make some condescending post with no substantial remark claiming victory.

I've been noticing a lot of shilling for other chans recently too. They had a few shilling end_chan in one of the stand your ground threads the other day. It clearly displayed that they are now deploying shills in groups of 2-3 to give the illusion of consensus.

Did you read at all the statements below or just browse the red text

One thing I have noticed is that shills do not try to refute an argument honestly. They find one sentence they can attack, or even just part of one sentence and use it to act like they have completely destroyed your argument. I have yet to see one give a clear and honest rebuttal which refutes the central points of a solid post.

If the apparatus is actually against you, you don't get airtime. It's amazing that this line of reasoning still gets trotted out after Trump's administration has been underway and his policies have been plain to see.

Defending zionist Trump in any capacity lets us know immediately they are a shill. Trying to downplay the necessity of the tenets of National Socialism does the same – the tenets of National Socialism are what they are BECAUSE failure to adhere to them strictly leads exactly where we are now. Hitler and the NSDAP already dealt with the various strains and side parties and offshoots and all of that nonsense.

I feel like I see this a lot. Two people arguing calling the other one a shill, when neither of them probably are. Someone said something they disagreed with and the paranoia kicked in after that.

Being surprised someone in US politics is in bed with jews is like being surprised when a tranny kills themselves. Sometimes you don't expect it, but it never surprises you.

White Activist Manual:
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stormfront.org/forum/t3014-32/

Join the struggle for aryan freedom.

Some shills are obvious. Like: I stand with Israel and posting IDF thots.

Best part of this movement is paranoia. We can't organize any group IRL because infiltration. Everybody here could be shill or nobody in same time. All right wing politicans have to go to Israel. You never know who goes there for cover and who is real zionist. Everything could be false flag.

I searching truth 15 years. Still finding new layers. Try to explain this to somebody who know nothing. JEWS CONTROL WORLD. THEY WANT ERASE ALL WHITE PEOPLE. BEHIND THEM THEY ARE DEMONS OR REPTILIANS OR ….

We don't even know how deep rabbit hole goes. Antifags belive they are doing good thing. We belive we are doing good thing. Jews belive it is ok to control and exploit goyim. Muslims belive it is ok to rape and kill in name of Allah. Niggers see racist wypipo etc.

In the end saving white race is almoust impossible.

I think paranoia is what is holding most people back from actually doing anything. It keeps people and their ideas locked up and tucked away from the real world. At a certain point you just have to accept that there are risks. I think the benefits outweigh the risks.

This, I found this out decades ago. "It's just so nazis won't get a platform, remember the 420,000" as they said back in the day.

Remember how pot was so, so, terrible until suddenly one day it wasn't?

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Nice effort posts.
In similar threads on this topic I have suggested that we deal with shills the same way /a/ and /jp/ used to deal with unwanted posters back on 4chan in years gone by. They would self moderate by ruthlessly spamming any shit thread until the bump limit was reached. On /a/ this was done with dubs and copypasta. A Naruto thread would be killed in minutes. /jp/ was more creative and moot in his frustration coined the term ironic shitposting to describe what /jp/ did. /sp/ would later have their own take on the /jp/ method. All three boards were successful in keeping out reddit, tumblr and other undesirables until the 4mods decided to castrate them to create a more welcoming environment for newfags and advertisers.

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I miss when obvious shills were ruthlessly banned and posts were deleted. The only posts I see deleted now are telling people to go to other chans.

Thank goodness. Yes. This. Part of the whole reason anyone gives a damn about this place is because it's fun. Nobody really cares about the more serious aspects of this, because everybody knows that serious "activism" is basically useless. Alot of what I've been seeing around here is basically boring activism. Red-pilling is important. But when is the last time this board did anything fun?

Actually being fun is probably the most dangerous thing we can do.

True.
If we don't point out the reality of female nature, we're doomed to repeat this shit in a few hundred years.
We need to be taught a lesson, into our genes, that women are not men, are not to be trusted, and should always be in the inferior position to men in society.
I'm not suggesting we allow beatings, or rape, or whatever.
I'm just saying that females have a place, and it's in the home, making babies.
That all said, white women are our women. We must protect them, even from themselves. And if that includes shaming dumb idiots on this board for white knighting thots, so be it.

There's been a lot more fedposting calling for violence even in threads about relatively mundane topics.

4chan mods have become extra cancerous since the boards were split. They need to go.


Fedposting is fun. Shills knows it works and anons get a kick out of scaring people.

I think the risk outweigh the benefits. This system can destroy you for wrong tweet. And we would need real RWDS cleaning streets. There is fucking law protecting jews. What we actualy do in real life? It is all like bad dream. People from every shithole on Earth come to our countries. Everyone see this invasion. We use to have wars for land. Now they just come in and breed. Still nobody know how to solve this.

Fullchan has always been a little more stuffy than cuckchan.
The influx of low quality shit posters indicates that we have the attention of outsiders though and are definitely being raided, in my opinion. Cuckchan is where I've gone to shit post, troll, and have "fun". Fullchan is where I've gone for data and autistic analysis. I don't think this difference of culture is wrong, because this place allows us to talk seriously without being slid.
That's the thing that has struck me the most about this place, recently. It's like half the posts are typical Zig Forums stuff and the other half are this weird, forced "fake" 4chan shit posting. It's less obvious on 4chan, but here, given the existing culture, they're more obvious.
There's definitely some really neurotic (schizophrenic) people here tho, always has been, and they might find better company in /x/, but their being here has always been a thing. Identifying them vs shills/raiders is the key.

Calling anyone using spacing or 'off' wording a shill is indeed only something a shill or very confused user would do, but I have to disagree with the general point. Outside of the incredibly silly complaints, maintaining the meaning of words is important.
It's as simple as pointing out the origin or unjudaized meaning of terms in practice. And, looking at how a post is formatted to tell if they could be a retard or shill is a good idea, as long as it's being done correctly and kept within reason.
True plebbit spacing is a blight upon the eyes, and was a sign of either intense shitposting or, as the name implies, a dolt from Reddit.

Again, it is maintaining meaning. It's best to defend language and terminology, to avoid falling into the linguistic confinement of a jewish newspeak.

A huge issue with politics in general, and Trump specifically, is that it is far past time for average people that are relatively RP'd to do more than mope, give up, not "do" anything.

Whites need their own version of #WalkAway, to simply remove all of their energies from a system designed to remove them.

The concept of "Ideological Purity" would be a nice new renaissance of old glory. The alternative is to become extinct.

Retard. Those particulars in grammar and verbiage are use to aid in identifying shills and have been a staple for years. You are obviously a refugee here. Fuck you and fuck your shit thread.

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Kill yourself.

Anti-slide post.


The shills are saging, that means the thread is good.

Other good thread. 8ch.net/pol/res/12713854.html

Good post OP , Shareblue (formerly CTR) was the mainstay on this board since Post 2016 Election, but Johnathon Morgan’s New Knowledge is even more clever at posing as White Nats.
The First Time I saw the words False Flag posted in a MSM article was the New York Times quoting New Knowledge’s tactics versus Roy Moore’s Senate Campaign
New Knowledge also authored the Dec 2018 Senate Intel report on “real Russians” on the Internet and guess who’s State Department Morgan used to work for

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Fair enough, but I don't think many of us really believe there will be anything left to defend in a 'few hundred years' if the globalist kike menace isn't dealt with here and now. Satan and all his puppets are moving into their end game. At this stage, within the next few decades it's all or nothing. This is literally the crux of history happening around us.

Anyone who doesn't realize the foolishness of moronic white knighting at this stage is literally part of the problem.

Fucking kikes man. Good shit.

Alt Right faggotry is back.

You still clinging to that old trope?

This thread isn't about Trump, kike.

Id like to think that the people who screech jew/tranny/shill at opposing views are also these people destabalizing Zig Forums. This isnt a fucking echo chamber, this should be a place to discuss any and every idea. A bad idea does not make one a shill.

go back to the (((Stormer))) before I expose your actual methods.

Serious posting can still be fun though. To me, there is nothing more fun than having an engaging conversation with someone who knows something I don't. Informativeposting is something only real anons can do. There has been a concerted effort on the part of shills to stop such pursuits. It is fun to expose things. It is fun to further develop ideas. It is fun to find ways to teach others. There is so much that is great about the meritocracy of imageboards, and shills are primarily here to halt our progress. They have become a force of stagnation and pointless flame wars.


This bothers me too. Should people become violent it will turn the masses against us. We need to focus on recruitment and redpilling. We need to focus on getting and using whatever examples we can of the left's evil and spreading it. I feel this is why shills have mobilized so substantially in the context of people calling for the murder of a child for being white and smiling.


I agree that you can tell if you are talking to a newfag by the way they type and format, but shilling has progressed to the point where their writing format is fairly representative of an user. I have been around long enough to know what correct Zig Forums grammar, definitions and conventions are. However, being pedantic and trying to out people over incorrect terminology e.g. nazi vs natsoc (when even Goebbels used the word Nazi) is an example of the jewish newspeak you reference. I personally feel that it is a tactic to make anons use specific vocabulary which will make their writing more identifiable (via keyword searches) for people who wish to identify anons in the normiesphere. Think about it, if people on reddit or faceberg or whatever platform slip up and type these enforced terms, it makes them identifiable. When was the last time a "normie" used the term NatSoc, MIGA, etc. They are trying to profile us, and they want their job to be easier.


Thank you for this. I am amazed such actions are legal.


I completely agree. Look for low quality, low effort posts which could very well be a bot. One liners, baseless accusations etc. I think it is intended to lower the level of discourse and promote flame wars. Remember, they don't want us to work together and understand what is really going on. They want us distracted and yelling back and forth with zero productivity.

So your argument is we should cordon ourselves off completely and never engage with or use anyone who isn't fully redpilled? What a convenient way to make sure nobody on the fence hears our propaganda. Shill.

Your ID says (((you)))

What do you think about the idea of making an anti-shill image, with a list of common shill tactics and logical fallacies, that can be posted as an easy refutation of shill posts, and also to raise awareness of these tactics, effectively shutting down what they're saying without having to make the same arguments time after time?

I'm thinking a small infographic saying something like;

Shill fallacies

1. Contradiction

2. Misdirection

3. Begging the question

4. Moving goalposts

etc etc. Basically an image that can be posted in response to shill posts that experienced anons can see really don't deserve a reply, but if left unchallenged could lead to newer anons getting confused, paranoia, and degeneration of board culture. You just post the image with the corresponding numbers their post exhibits. Shills get one (you) and they're dealt with concisely, but they're not engaged and allowed to derail.

I am really relieved to see Im not the only one who thinks whats going on is bullshit. This place aint a fuckin echo chamber and nobody should let their opinions get shot down by some autist screeching that youre a jew or a shill. While I think its ridiculous to say natsoc is the only way to go, I see a few natsocs in here who arent trying to cram their flag down everyone elses throats because they arent one. Good for you guys. You have my salute and respect.

And I think this would work because shills always have to use logical fallacies and underhand arguments, not evidence or strong argumentation. And they will keep posting regardless of what you say, never admitting defeat. So, the most graceful way to deal with them is with one post, to simply expose them as dishonest, destroy their credibility and then they can be seen and ignored.

This "movement" is not new, it is not young. Its modern roots go back to the 19th century. All of the dumb shit you people keep whining about was already tried, it already failed, better men then you recognized it and moved away from it. Then the same forces you want to detente with waged war. And here we are.

While the shills are capable of fucking with us on minor issues like on Trump etc on a fundamental basis they're utterly impotent.

I evolved my opinions of the jews as a young man entering the adult world in the 70's as a result of sticking my nose into the underworld of criminals in my home town as well as studying history. I thought I was unique in revealing the Cromwellian British Israelitism of the Judeo Christian culture of the British Empire but here I've found many kindred spirits and this has been wonderful to have my own discoveries echoed in you my fellow Zig Forums/pol/ posters

Nothing the shills can say or do will ever divert us from our fundamental principles and beliefs. We now know what we know and furthermore we're adept at dismantling whatever new charismatic leaders they try to foist on us.

I'm particularly impressed with the way you all gathered together to mop the decks with Jordan Peterson. No amount of MSM adulation is going to fix this guy's rep now that pol has performed a very painful vivisection upon him.

My only real criticism of the NatSocs here is that there's a naivety about them.
Yes the jews are rotten ruthless criminal child fuckers, and have this really annoying gypsy like tribal cohesion they use as a nefarious weapon but even if we could utterly eliminate the jews and the gypsys and fuck, the niggers too, and force the chinks back into their rightful realm, I really don't believe we'll be living in a perfect world without evil. It'll be a much better world for sure. Much much better.

Much much much much much much better. But not perfect There will still be evil and treachery.

This is the exact opposite of reality.

I find that the NatSocs in their most extreme form have this very shallow Hitler Youth poster image in their heads of how it will be when the jews are purged.

Fellini gets to the core of this in his movie Amaracord about his youth under the Fascists in pre war Rimini. Essentially fascism is a movement built around an adolescent mindset.


Just because Cultural Marxism has given us a god awful non culture, doesn't mean that Hitlerian architecture and imagery is good.

ANTI TRUMP SHILLS

The jews have you retards going after the one they hate the most.

Complains about shills

What's your example of a model society, then?

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The one we have now.

The only problem with this is they change tactics constantly. Perhaps it is not tactics, but emphasis that they change. I do not know. I will reply again after I have had time to think on this point. If I were to add a point 5 it would be "changing definitions." The problem with this is we are trying to define Manipulative Argumentation Tactics in general. This is a very ambitious project. Thank you for bringing this up. Tomorrow I will dedicate some time to brainstorming on this topic. pics semi related


Why does propaganda against fascism make me wish I was part of a fascist society. Look at this video. It is supposed to mock fascism. We have people exercising, we have a government which is united, we have marriage and family values. Why does this satire seem so appealing?

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In case anyone needs an example of a shill, here you are.

ID 98f8e9

read and learn

The primary tactic employed by this individual is the "ideological purity" tactic described in the OP. Notice how only ideology matters. There is no consideration of spreading knowledge or gaining power. Only being natsoc matters. There is no future plan, there is only congratulating yourself for what you know. Beware of the ideologies praising stagnation.

Yeah this is a good thread, OP

Two obvious signs of a shill i have seen lately. Predicitve power of these two is close to 100%:
this has almost zero effect, but I like it because it makes them obvious.
you pointed this out, but I think it's their ultimate weakness. The underlying motivation for the human shills is a hatred of trump. they want people to hate him, whether its because he's too much of a nazi, or too little of a nazi. they don't care.

You obviously didn't read his post either. OP was no friend of shabbos goy politicians like Trump

I'm not saying he is and I did read it. I'm just saying that when people start freaking out about trump it's a pretty clear sign they're deranged shills. Trump is clearly defective, no question.

It is good to have all this information available to inform about the shills. Has any thought been put into turning these tactics on the users? Share blue and the other corps in this business are probably outside of reach, but are there not others that do it for free? I know full chan is being raided by at least one group organized out of a discord chat. If any of these groups could be found I doubt they have a vetting program in place to prevent infiltration. Why not make an attempt at infiltrating their information centers like they take control of moderation on plebit and fullchan?

Great thread OP. I'm fairly new here, (been lurking for a couple of years) and definitely found your posts to be helpful.

We've already done it YOUR way. YOUR way is the last 70 years of postwar order. That's why "ideological purity" exists. Doing it your way leads to Pat Buchanan getting harassed from party to party, race to race by Donald Trump for being an "anti-semite" who is "against the gays" and a decade and a half later we vote for Donald Trump so his internet shills can convince us the "deep state" just so happens to be holed up in Iran [along with the leftovers from the Third Reich, led by Angela Merkel] and this means we gotta PNAC one last time [pinky swear!].

To me the pinnacle of civilization was quattrocento Firenze and Northern Italy on a broader scale. I would extend that to Flanders where we see even in the Medieval era you have The Murder of Charles the Good as written by Galbert of Bruges. The Flemish Renaissance had an immense influence on the Italian Renaissance. Neither one of these were politically totalitarian though they did have a variety of powerful and contentious warlords in play. But the warlords or aristocrats needed the support of the people who were always ready to rise up violently in the cause of justice.

Ultimately I judge a society aesthetically and that's where I find Hitlerian Germany fails. There's something not quite right. It's nowhere near good enough. Small aristocrats running Dresden in the 18th century maintained a superior society on every level. The catastrophe of the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars leveled a death blow at white European civilization and then WWI stomped it into its grave. It's like massive totalitarian regimes are antithetical to the life force of a civilization. The natural aristocracy that grows up out of the soil is organic to it and thus tends to beauty and spiritual health.

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Fellini lived through it and participated in those ceremonies so I suppose he's entitled to mock it a bit? I don't think what he was saying was untrue.
But then this is the problem of being stuck in this dualistic Manichian political situation. You have to be in one or the other camp. Now I'm going to choose the camp that gets rid of the jews, provided they actually do get rid of the jews and don't just lead us into the gates of death on behalf of the jews who eternally lust for war.

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the shills are anyone pushing trump, gop infiltration, and individiualism, while attacking taking the streets, networking and building infrastructure.

so DS TRS other amnats etc

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To hell with the right wing.

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As they should.
As they definitely should.
Autocorrect goes to capitalize, so a shitty ploy.
You mean, the fact that you do this thing that nobody does acts to single you out and thus make it easier to identify you, thus resulting in people being able to identify you and call you out?

You mean they were married to a Jewish Zionist woman?

Yeah, it does, you even admit it when you say "Trump does" - if you're wearing his gear, with his slogan, you're supporting him. You can say its just for the lulz, but nobody believes that - you can't support zion to own the libs. That's not how it works.

And it has absolutely no meaning in the modern parlance whatsoever, becoming nothing but a false-dichotomy to be hidden behind, the implication being that there is a differentiation between the two in terms of representation in the world - but such is simply not the case.

This isn't reddit. This isn't 4chan.
You keep wanting to behave as though it is, as though you should be given leeway to be a faggot because 'muh lulz guiz', and no, that's not how it works. Right wing death squads is a retarded meme, demonstrable of the problem of the 'right' - its a jumbled mass of ideals that directly conflict as much as they overlap.
If you're a dumb newfag who believes in the right-left dichotomy, you shouldn't be here, and you damn sure shouldn't be posting. 4chan and reddit are for your kind, that's the venue in which you are welcomed to join the conversation. Not here.

Now here's the best part…

This is basically all you need to read to know the score with this OP.
Sorry lad, but no, there is no such thing as a 'baste nigger', and Blacks don't do anything to serve White interests besides not voting and going back to Africa. There is literally nothing that a Black can do to serve White interests beyond getting as far away from Whites as can be achieved and staying there.

False equivalence, Europeans working amongst one another =/= "hey bro that baste black sure is serving white interests! we should tell him how basted he is!".

There is no such thing as common sense. Common sense, invariably, amounts to what the individual utilizing the term is attempting to support.

About as often as a big tent movement full of subversive elements without any ideological integrity has risen to power.

About as often as a group has been utterly defeated as the consequence of taking on allies that were not viable and/or orienting themselves ideologically as to inhibit their dissolution of alliances that were poorly conceived.

America is dead.
First you need a face. Someone TO fund. Like who, exactly? Name three people.
See above.
I bet you do. Paywall subs not as heavy as they used to be, eh?

WE need leaders who are worth a damn.
You can't form a political platform because you have yet to discern leaders who have the charisma to appeal to the masses, the integrity to stand by their beliefs without fear of criticism, and who don't have a closets full of skeletons waiting to leap out and slap their prospective fans with a sack full of foreskins.

Because see above. The NSDAP had a Hitler. A war hero who spoke openly and honestly about his views and called out the enemy, a man of charisma and integrity that others rallied around.
We don't have that. We have a bunch of wimbly cowards and chubby queers who're more libertarian than they are National Socialist, a bunch of establishment climbers who just want to get enough support to become the new (((GOP))) elite; a bunch of worthless scum ready to sell out their beliefs and their people at the drop of a shekel.
You can't save a nation with that.
And quite frankly, if that's the best you can muster, perhaps you don't deserve to be saved.

We do, every single day. Thing is, that path is frought with peril: subversion, ideological collapse, in-fighting, etc etc etc.
Nothing is simple. Only simple people think of things simply, because they can't manage to think in complex terms.

Every single point you've raised in this rant is flawed in one way or another.

Oh they are? Then why are you talking about recruitment and shit?
If its just for fun, then why not allow Blacked spam? That's fun for some people, it seems.
Its easy to have fun. Its very easy in fact. There's many many places you can have fun. Tons in fact.
What's hard is having a belief and standing by it. Whats hard is not turning away from the truth because its not fun at times.

Always the path of least resistance with cowards.

Used to do that to the roach with his maddow threads. Just rock and rock and rock, until he'd eventually just outright give up and it'd turn into a music of wrestling thread.
Good times.

Can't do that now though, mods will ban you for it. Course, they won't ban the folks dropping multiple posts of 5 images of reddit Trump memes and some hollow bantz. Which is noteworthy.
I like it as a concept though, and it works.

Bump

You've got to work on your linguistics.

I wonder what the post said that warranted deletion…

Ah, now I can get a better view.
Hah, a claim of many, espoused by few. I have a strong suspicion you are not so open to admission of things you do not know, user, nor so welcoming of discussion on topics in that arena. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

I haven't noticed that, but I have found that most of the 'fun'posters I encounter don't seem very interested in digging, don't see to share your view that
So often anymore, I seem to be the only autistic mother fucker around willing to take the time to dig into the inner workings of a given situation. Its actually quite boring - only the end result can be said to be 'fun'. But perhaps thats just my low-grade autism talking. The point is, the work of exposing something is often not very fun at all, and these days, nobody seems very inclined toward offering assistance. Go check the Nat Geo thread for an example.

Now this is an interesting narrative, because if imageboards are a meritocracy, then aren't you basically espousing a sub-meritous state and demanding you be treated as espousing merit? Seems to me that's what you're doing, complaining about the fact that your ideals are not welcomed in the manner you wish they were (ignoring in so doing, of course, the possibility of those ideals not being accepted because they lack merit).

Goebbels used the word Nazi ONCE, in the title of "The Nazi-Sozi". Go ahead and reference more than one source of such, I'd love to see it.
The reason Goebbels didn't use the term in large amount is because of its origin and implication. It was an insult. It was an epithet. It was designed to denigrate.

The reason you keep getting called out for using 'nazi' is because of what it represents and the context in which you are using it.
This is not reddit. This is not 4chan. If you are posting here, you are expected to, as you put it, "know what correct Zig Forums grammar, definitions and conventions are", thus, why would you be using that terminology when you know its implications and origin? It speaks for itself: You are purposefully using it to denigrate the ideology in question, as the term designed for in its usage.
You are purposefully and knowingly showing disrespect to something that you SHOULD respect, particularly given the context - yet you do not. It'd be like coming to Zig Forums and referring to all White voters as 'dumb racist rednecks' and then wondering why you get pushback and hostility. Extremely disingenuous behavior.

While that may well be true, your rationale here is incredibly flawed.
Why don't "normies" use those terms? Because they don't know them. That is exactly why OUTREACH is good and "RECRUITMENT" is bad.
Really now, you're arguing that people criticizing you for using language in a way indicative of a newfag with no knowledge of anything - or intent to disrespect while possessing such knowledge - is nothing more than an attempt to profile you? Weren't you JUST talking about how you made someone feel LESS paranoid, and now here you are saying the only reason people might be criticizing you for not using appropriate terminology in the context at hand is an effort to profile you? That seems inane, and more over, extremely subversive.

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wait a minute…. it's saturday…

meaning I can get moar beer, well screw you jews, I'm getting more beer.

no ur the shill

the jews always to convince you that you cannot buy beer. systematically they they try to convincing you it' is is saturday, because there is one thing the jew never can overcome, and that is a norseman drinking beer

so the jew will make alchohol restriction, because only in a world without beer can the jew dominate

nice try jew, I'm getting more beer and there is nothing you can do about it

also I alway listen to hitler when I drink beer, I crank it up too in the summer, so all the neighbours know rofl

kek

this is nothing new
THROUGH OWN LABOR

I feel like this is a TRS meme. But then, I'm autistic.
And not nearly drunk enough.
Cheers to beers.