QRD: Semen retention is critical for the sexually dimorphic traits of males to manifest. Without it you become an undifferentiated ungendered pawn. Sexual dimporphism is primarily expressed via differing levels of testosterone and estradiol (estrogen in its biologically active form). The final controller of ALL hormone expression is the brain, and specifically the hypothalamus. The only intervention that works to increase testosterone is changing your brain structure. Masturbation is proven to do this.
Before we can even get to semen retention, we have to understand how your body works, and the critically misunderstood roles that hormones play.
Why Testosterone? Most of you, I'm sure, are already convinced about the beneficial effects of testosterone in men, but I want to give a brief overview of things you probably don't know about it. Testosterone increases sociability. It increases connection to and participation in your milieu, this is true for both men and women. For women, this typically manifests as slutty behavior and ultimately ends up as cuckoldry, women with higher testosterone have sluttier faces (see left in pic). They also have greater sexual arousal levels: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10665617 For men however, testosterone decrease the incidence of lying and they are more cooperative with other men. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3468628 Men with high testosterone are fascistic ideal. They build, cooperate, and create civilization. Men with high testosterone are more driven to find not only mates, but to do all things. Testosterone receptors in the brain don't differentiate drive for sex from any other drive (that differentiation does occur, but requires other chemical receptors to be activated as well).
The Hypothalamus is King Androgen/Testosterone boosting supplements don't work unless you are supplementing androgens higher than 100% of your baseline test production. To understand why this is, you have to first understand the HP axes, and specifically the HPG axis. The hypothalamus acts as a prime regulator for almost all hormones related to growth, sex, and homeostasis. Hypothalamus notices an increased level of testosterone? It stops producing GnRH. GnRH is a signal to your pituitary gland to make FSH (follicle-stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone); these signal the gonads in men to create sperm and testosterone respectively (in women's gonads these signal menstruation and estrogen). So at all times your hypothalamus is listening to the levels of sex hormones, and is only releasing enough GnRH to keep them at what it believes to be the proper homeostasis. This is why only highly potent anabolic steroids are really the only things which appear to have a phenotypic response in humans. They overpower even the hypothalamus's ability to regulate testosterone. So when taking anabolic steroids your level of GnRH is basically zero. There is no activity on the HPG axis and it permanently changes your hypothalamus to produce less GnRH, and hence why you hear stories of anabolic steroids shrinking your balls and causing infertility. So to maximize your GnRH you need to maximize the hormones which stimulate its production and minimize the ones that inhibit it. There are many hormones which either stimulate or inhibit the production of GnRH, we will get into why fapping is one of the worst things you can do if you want to maximize GnRH next.
There are several other axes of the hypothalamus which should also be mentioned. The hypothalamic–pituitary–prolactin axis (HPP) is responsible for lactation and mammary growth in females, but it is also present in males. It is not directly self-inhibiting like the HPG axis, but instead is inhibited by dopamine (this will seem contradictory at first, but is extremely important to understanding the dangers of masturbation). The main thing for now you should know is that excess prolactin causes typically feminine traits in men. The primary stimulating factor of the HPP axis is estrogen. Remember this is the only axis which isn't a direct feedback loop! More estrogen will always mean more prolactin. Finally, the higher your prolactin is, the lower GnRH output will be, which means the lower testosterone will be in males. The HPS axis has the ultimate byproduct of IGF-1, which is the most critical signal for muscle growth. HPS axis is stimulated by testosterone (via blunting the inhibitory effects of GH in the feedback loop).
Anthony Cooper
Masturbation and Hormones Now to put it all together. Orgasm elevates prolactin massively. Prolactin causes a neurological effect of having little to no sexual desire, hence why you temporarily lose interest in the porn you watch after ejaculation. Now recall the previous section: Prolactin tells the hypothalamus to lower GnRH; GnRH stimulates production of sperm and testosterone; testosterone increases masculine traits and increases social cohesion in men; it also increases expression of muscles via the HPP axis. Dopamine which is high during the build-up of masturbation inhibits the HPP axis though, so how can masturbation be causing an increase of prolactin? Well, the hypothalamus can be very intelligent at what it does. It understands context. Not only that, but the massive acute hit of dopamine you are getting causes something called a hormetic effect. Hormesis is kind of like a biological blowback effect, the hypothalamus is massively inhibited on its HPP axis and then to compensate, it releases even more prolactin than it normally would in all that time as a huge burst after orgasm. Not only that, it appears to have "aftershocks" throughout the next few days and releases prolactin even more. But it gets worse. At least with a single mate in a monogamous sexual relationship your dopamine wouldn't be massively elevated, but with access to unlimited high speed pornography your dopamine will spike to never before seen levels due to the Coolidge effect (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect). What does this mean? For days after masturbation you will have low testosterone. But there's even more. The hypothalamus is a neurological structure. It learns and adapts. What does chronic masturbation and dopamine spiking do to the HPP axis? It makes it less and less sensitive to regular dopamine levels. Throughout the day its perfectly normal and healthy to have a moderate level of dopamine, and especially so for men. If HPP is no longer inhibited by this normal level of dopamine, then prolactin will be chronically elevated. Finally we get to the crux. Chronically elevated prolactin means a chronically inhibited HPG axis. A chronically inhibited HPG axis means chronically low levels of homeostatic testosterone. This is why the men of today have lower testosterone than the average 80 year old just 50 years ago. This is why we have trannies developing feminine traits due to increased prolactin.
Now there's even more danger to all of this. We have huge amounts of xenoestrogens from overcompensation of plant based foods and hygiene products (you really should only be consuming meat). Estrogen stimulates the HPP axis even more, and we have blown our dopamine circuits to defend against them with acute chronic spiking. But the brain can heal and adapt. Stop looking at porn. Stop masturbating. Stop consuming xenoestrogens. Stay monogamous, and only have sex for the purpose of procreation.
Ethan Myers
Extra Credit: Dangers of SSRIs and Weed SSRIs increase the re-uptake of serotonin in the brain. Serotonin has an antagonist relationship with dopamine, which means if dopamine is high serotonin is low and vice-versa. SSRIs will chronically lower dopamine, not only taking away your enjoyment of novelty, but also once again activating the HPP axis.
Weed is made of cannibinoids. The body produces its own endocannibinoids which have receptors all throughout the nervous system. The hypothalamus is filled with CB1 receptors which have 2-AG (an natural endocannibinoid) as an agonist. 2-AG is released upon orgasm and is used in the adaptation process mentioned earlier to train the hypothalamus to be less responsive to dopamine. What else is an agonist of the CB1 receptor? THC. In fact THC is far more potent than 2-AG could ever be, meaning that every time you smoke weed, you adapt your hypothalamus to be even less responsive to dopamine than if you were masturbating to porn the entire time you were high. THC is bad news if you value testosterone.
James Nguyen
I jerked off 6 times today and I'm going to make it 7 to spite you and have a laugh at the fact you need to do all of this to not be a gigantic blubbering vagina of a soy boy. You just weren't cut out to live as a man, user.
Brandon Kelly
After my fourth child I had a vasectomy. How fucked am I? My semen never actually gets released. I look freakishly young for my age but not feminine.
Christian Harris
Enjoy your guaranteed brain damage.
David Rivera
I could lose half the thing and it would still outperform yours, bitchboi.
Jacob Cooper
Just because you got banned from /v/ doesn't mean you can come here.
Isaac Campbell
great thread, thank you user
Ian Nguyen
I can go wherever I want, midget nigger.
Ian White
Its more the orgasm, and subsequent dopamine cascade which is the problem. You do lose quite a few nutrients from semen loss, but the hormonal effects are the most important factor
Blake Morales
For a genetically unclean soyboy.
Nicholas Morgan
Wow, garbage science. If you said just diet, sleep, and exercise then ok. But masturbation is no different from fucking, ultimately. It's only feminists and control freaks that want to enslave men that tell them masturbating is bad.
Jose Young
Only low testosterone manginas don't jack off. Real high testosterone men jack off regularly as you'd know if you weren't an effeminate little bitch.
Evan Cook
You forget envious beta cucklets with ED.
Grayson Collins
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Grayson Green
Not masturbating is so difficult, after a week I gave up, the most I held was 1 month and my sex drive was going insane, without a woman at your side you're bound to masturbate, I need a motivator to stop jerking off, for example when I lift weights I always have this desire to get stronger, bigger better, but with seen retention there's nothing that motivates me to go forward, can someone suggest how seen retention helps in the long run, I'm a fight against degenarcy and I really need to win for good, I'm trying to keep semen retention for good, my weakness are breasts, that's one thing that always gets me
Nicholas Anderson
Suicide is good for you, masturbation would just make you act like less of a retard.
Jaxon Richardson
Its very different due to the Coolidge effect. Also you are only meant to fuck for procreation. At the very most you would be top tier alpha with five or six women, but with modern porn you have unlimited women to look at. Also I didn't get into here but the effects of oxytocin modulate all of this, making a real female a much better option.
Real men have the willpower to feel that desire and channel it into something greater than themselves.
Jack Ramirez
You want to channel your desire into me? Fag.
Angel Wood
Semen retention will increase your gains in weightlifting due to it ultimately activating the HPS axis, which will increase your IGF-1
Jaxson Kelly
Arguing just like a woman, champ. No wonder you want a man.
Carson Myers
I can tell you already have almost all the feminine traits I mentioned due to your degenerate lifestyle. Your desire for my attention is really all the proof anyone needs. I'm done with you. Good luck on your gender reassignment surgery.
Hunter Powell
quite a lot of angry shilling for what seemed to be an innocuous thread.
Jordan Long
I need a lot more proof, actually. Why would I transition? You're the little beta cuck here, you're more of a woman than most modern women already. I'm too broad and tall to pass, but you're already nearly indistinguishable from the genuine article minus that your vagina is on your face tbh.
Jacob Butler
You're practically castrated at this point.
I just fucked up this weekend after nearly a month of nofap and the differences are staggering. I'm back on the no-fap again.
Thanks for the info OP, you seemed to have hit a nerve with the porn shills here. Must be onto some truth.
Chase Lee
I have jerked off this frequently for the past 17 years and had sex concurrently, I think that might be a bit of projection on your part lil guy.
Austin Morgan
Good for you faggot, keep watching your cuck porn.
Ayden Adams
Men with the most testosterone don't jack off because they have so much sex that it's just pointless.
Mason Rodriguez
Immense envy fills your teary little shit brown eyes, user. You wish you could get it up once a week, and here I am. It's all a choice of course, you're totally not a bitch.
Charles Young
See, the reason why I don't do it again, is because I didn't gain any noticable differences, I went for a month and a half or so, and all it did give me boners all the time, and lower my motivation a bit, granted it did make me wanna just go and muh dik around, but I haven't done that in years so even that wasn't strong enough to make me break nofap. Be t Jacking maybe once every two weeks or so keeps the chronic boners away, and keeps my mind a bit clear.
Julian Gray
BY THIS (((LOGIC))), CHAD AND HIS HALF BROTHER JAMAL LOOK LIKE A BUNCH A SOYBOYS :^3
Luke Hill
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Nolan Ward
I was ok with you up to this part, this will only fuck up the shits that you have to take even more and cause hemmorroids
This made me check the tab I was on. To make sure I didn't click on Zig Forums
Jacob Thomas
I whack it once a day, ussually in the morning. Don’t watch porn, don’t drink alcohol. Sometimes I will half whack then go to the gym to work off the frustration before allowing myself to finish in the shower when I get home.
Logan Evans
Chad isn't fucking 3 times a day. He's fucking maybe about once or twice a week, and then there's the effects of oxytocin they you get with a real girl. At most chad has only 3 or 4 girls he hooks up with. This means the coolige effect is minimal as well.
You can't get constipation on carnivore because you actually don't shit often if at all. This is perfectly healthy. youtube.com/watch?v=xqUO4P9ADI0
Evan Brown
If you had yourself under control you'd have realized you are unsalvageable and demonstrated your superior willpower by overcoming your body's desire to survive via suicide.
Evan Green
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Benjamin Jones
What are your sources on this?
Luis Howard
user I…
Ian Thompson
You mean like how you channel it into your grandmother?
Angel Phillips
Jealous? Yeah I know.
Tyler Barnes
Seriously though, worry about your own manhood. You're not a doctor.
My only question is what constitutes a healthy sex life? The wife and I only have sex, at the most, once a month. And neither of us masturbate. Is this actually good, or no?
Grayson Cruz
Harrison's Endocrinology and Knobil and Neil's physiology of reproduction mostly.
Mason Price
(((They))) can say what they want about Ron Jeremy. But even in his early days in porn, he hand fed his dik most of the time. Not enough power in the jew body to get it up and stay up.
Angel Edwards
From what I've found anthropologically, that's probably as healthy as it can get.
Cooper Reed
That's very accurate
Gabriel Perry
you can find both on libgen
Kayden Green
That's actually good to know.
Eli Rogers
sure
Sebastian Kelly
Thanks. I'll get to reading.
Chase Jones
I also occasionally torment midgets for fun. Sometimes outside, sometimes not. You probably have prior experience with this, as an uppity dwarf.
Luke Collins
Can any knowledgeable user on here tell me the company behind all the major porn websites/production in this country? I remember a thread about that a few years back but the name escapes me.
Dominic Price
It's Mindgeek
Adam Wood
Mindgeek is behind almost all porn in the world. Its owned by kikes
Noah Watson
Correction, all of the terrible porn. My 2D Japanese doujins about catgirls snuffing manlets with their high heels are completely unkiked and nothing can compare to the orgasm it gives me. Not even OP's mom.
Charles Lewis
Your sins are forgiven. Out of morbid curiosity though why did you get one? Had you already seen the merchant by then?
James Hernandez
For married couples I think its important to have some way to release oxytocin daily with each other as close to daily as possible to maintain the pair bond. Karezza (meditative intercourse and cuddling without orgasm) or massage are more of an oxytocin stimulator, while sex with orgasm and ejaculation is more of a dopamine and prolactin releaser which have their roles in bonding as well, but done too frequently can make the brain addiction to novelty and seeking . For monogamy its best for the ratio of sex to be close to daily Karezza and a weekly proper fuck.
Extreme retention isn't necessary. Restricting to once a week is enough. The problem is daily wanking or much worse multiple times per day which tends to cause long term decrease in male virility. Recovering from being a fapoholic is important, but obsession with never spilling your seed is dumb.
Daniel Evans
Interesting thread OP, but you should really provide sources.
Dylan Ward
Finally, someone says fucking something that makes sense in one of these retarded threads.
Lincoln Phillips
OP is 100% correct. Hitler knew. All great men know. If you can't control your (((urges))), then you can't control yourself, and thus can't control your life. Anyone who is against this is a kike.
Try suicide kike.
Evan Bell
top kek little fag
Ethan Gray
Having children is good. Bonding with a wife monogamously is good. But everything seems to be against the pointless wasting of seed.
Easton Thompson
have you tried going beyond one month?
Camden Lewis
Speak for yourself, I prefer not to be an aggressive piece of shit. Then again, I'm not a perpetually angry teenager who blames all his problems on the jews. They're white as far as I'm concerned, though to be fair the same can't be said for niggers.
Agression and testosterone are only partially linked. It seems aggression is only present when there is high testosterone and extremely low serotonin. If you are living correctly, your serotonin and dopamine will be balanced, and aggression will only happen when it is justified.
Lincoln Williams
Go jump off highest building you can find and go pro for us big man
Anthony Evans
Good rundown user. Probably best I’ve seen so far. Bumping due to the like shill raging in this thread
Aiden Garcia
it does not make you uncontrollably aggressive, that is test deficiency.
plebs who claim nofap unnecessary but never went beyond one month should keep their mouths shut.
I've actually read parts of the kamasutra and one of the techniques for intimacy is going through the motion of becoming erect and inserting, but allowing yourself to go soft inside. I wonder if karezza is derived from that. I just looked up the word, and it sounds similar, but also like it would be the next step.
But as far as the oxytocin release is concerned, I would imagine that things like cuddling and flirtations in it's varied forms would suffice. I randomly go up to my wife and put my arms around her, or she'll cuddle against me in the evenings when we're settling down for bed. (Having children makes the karezza practice difficult to achieve truthfully.)
Landon Nguyen
Semen Retention is next level wizard tier shit. Can confirm that there is more to this than just not touching your dick. It is not a path for the weak willed or lust-controlled, but the results are profound. Pdf related.
So I guess my hypothetical question is this. Say a guy is paying for sex or sleeping around. Understandably from the position of the optimal society ( which we don’t live in) and relationship/children their are serious consequences. Putting that aside though what are the consequences for men chemically with having multiple partners?
Cameron Clark
Makes a lot of fucking sense but Some lads think otherwise, very successful lads.
But of course the honest standpoint is the over consumption is always shitty.
Jayden Ramirez
What's wrong with a habit of not ejaculating? If you make a distinction between sexual arousal and ejaculation, you could in theory allow yourself to increase your energy levels using sexual means and just stop before you waste it all. Nofap is misleading especially if "fap" itself conflates arousal and ejaculation. Cutting out sexual urges entirely neglects the energy that comes with them, while watching cucky porn and ejaculating all the time is hard to deny as a waste and destructive in a number of ways. Also, not everyone has wet dreams when they do semen retention.
Ayden Carter
i guess i should stop fucking my wife then huh? just find a bull to do it so i can store all my precious semen? fucking soyboys, i swear.
Gavin Myers
Part of the proper sexual standpoint for men is to stop caring about this shit so much, lel
Cooper Scott
Calls user a tranny while typing like a fag.
Jordan Green
that is a sin. pure and simple. i.e. mistake, a moment of straying from the straight path. instead of following High Ideals this goy is serving the lower aspects, hence he is blocked from true wisdom. and is basically a stupid minion of the left.
Yeah this is what happens when you masturbate folks don't do it. Mental retardation will ensue.
Angel Gutierrez
Count me in. I'll see if I can hold out and if I notice a difference. The most I've gone without nutting since I was about 12 is probably a month or so. After that long all I could think about was ass and titties and would fuck a 2/10 morbidly obese fat chick if the opportunity presented itself. Hell, after one week of not nutting, I'm initiating contact with DUFFs on a regular basis (designated ugly fat friends). I need some moar gains as I'm only a little manlet weeny at 6'2 200 pounds right now. GAIINNSSSSS
Wyatt Sanchez
So a question related to this topic, is there any risk of becoming sterile after masturbating for a long time? (I guess it at least reduces the chances of impregnating a woman since you don't give much time for the testicles to regenerate sperm). If the answer is yes can this be solved with good diet + exercising?
Thomas Moore
I didn't fap for nearly 3 years, and recently decided to take a break from it. There are challenges beyond not physically touching yourself and avoiding porn. When the pressure was high after a couple of weeks without release, I was able to "fap" mentally to ejaculation. You need extreme mental discipline.
Before those 3 years of nofap, I only felt the urge to fap twice a week. Now my semen production seems to have quadrupled (7 to 10 times a week).
Tyler Myers
There is something highly disturbing in this level of social interest in your masterbation habits. How far are you going to let them take this invasion into your privacy?
