"Green New Deal" Analysis

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No. Nuclear. Power.

She can fuck herself sideways with a fist full of rusty tacks. Dumb fucking cunt.

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What is the guaranteed sovereignty of countries, annoying Zig Forumsack?

Don't you understand that without the pollution of China, Africa, and India, we wouldn't have iPhones or fridges?
America doesn't make anything anymore because we don't need to make anything anymore.

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Hey Pat Boone, if they're unwilling to work for a shit wage that's called not being taken advantage of. Did you mean are they too STUPID to work?

Atmospheric electricity, but wait such thing will never happened.
It's better to build fusion reactors when you don't even understand nuclear physics.
Always pushing tech that need fuel, when you don't realize that the entire reality is fuel.

Yeah, where was that during ww1 and 2 and so on…
I wish a nigga would.

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Pathetic

When was the last time we let them do this? The Red Scare? The Cuban Missile Crisis?

Just let them look at the button and they will do it.

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Anyone who advocates for the Green New Deal shouldn't be allowed to hold office or even vote.

That being said, if this becomes law, this country deserves to collapse for allowing this to become law.

Well it does say that they'd do their best to get rid of all nuclear energy within the ten year timeframe.

This deal is impossible to come to fruition. The funding for this is basically "take out more loans from jews" and a portion of it is "stop monopolies owned by jews". What we will see is a push for this, fully knowing only parts will ever actually see light. Anything truly beneficial will be dropped or delayed indefinitely while the parts intended to complete a communist Utopia will be first.
That is solely there to benefit the liberals and their pets. The plan is to increase gibs as soon as possible to allow Tyrone, Jose and Land-whale Gender Queer Polly/Paul to sit on their ass and survive to balance out a portion of the population that will outbreed us and/or harass us.
That part will happen.
That will partially happen. Enough will happen to hurt conservative states that supply fossil fuels and punish rural communities that rely more on fossil fuels for work and living. This will be done probably by carbon taxes (which were not ruled out) and push for unobtainable emission restrictions on vehicles and so forth. Cities will probably get a boost in public transportation to offset it and "just move to a city" will be the go to argument against people who can't afford fuel for their vehicles and lose jobs that rely on vehicles and machinery that can't run on 4 double A batteries.
A push for some meme farm system that creates food, especially meat, shortages in key areas will also be seen.
Make no mistake, this is designed to hurt rural communities, which are made up of predominantly white working classes that actually produce. A gallon of "holocaust fuel" for the family van, construction worker's truck, etc. will be $40.00 and a letter of apology for your hate crime, all of which can be sent to a multicultural apartment complex of your choice in liberal district A12.

Before anyone asks the time period this game goes in.

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You should stop.

If all you are is skeptical about this idea then you're a fucking moron
It's completely ridiculous, anyone with a basic understanding of economics or just common sense will easily understand that

This would mean that all power, not just electricity, would need to be provided by one of the following:
Solar (inefficient and expensive, requires large amounts of land and has been shown to disrupt wildlife and environment)
Wind (same issues, a little more efficient but limited areas with sufficient wind flow)
Geothermal (not a wide availability of areas in the United States to produce this)
Hydroelectric (same issues environmental issues as solar and wind, same limits as geothermal)
/x/-tier power.
This would work, especially all combined, if we had about 75% less of our population. We don't. So, these power technologies will be routed solely to population centers. Second, all automobiles, machinery, generators and anything else running on gas or diesel will either be rendered obsolete, too expensive to run or need expensive conversions. Transportation will become a crisis outside short range (inner city transportation) or controlled transportation (state controlled point to point lines, ie: subways, monorails).
Power interruptions will be disasters to areas not overly funded with backup systems.
Fuel stations will be reserved for areas that can afford, either through government funding or private expense, to provide energy. Gas/diesel are cheap, readily available, quick, easy to use and transport. None of the above meet most, let alone all, of those criteria.
In simple terms this plan is to completely fracture cities from rural and semi-rural areas. Punishing the latter so badly that they will be forced to move to cities or beg for new energy systems at whatever cost. A simple homestead in any area will lose their capabilities due to a loss, or more likely a huge increase in price and regulation, of their primary energy source. Smaller communities will face the same on a scale much larger. Small towns will need to compete relentlessly for a slice of the energy pie that they may never get. Creating an epidemic of ghost towns across America and a flight to already overpopulated city centers that will be handed all of this. The process of leaving mega-cities will be rendered impossible, due to travel costs and restrictions, energy availability outside of them and limited means. Furthermore, in any emergency situation repairs to transportation or power systems would be costly and time taking and near impossible for an average person to do.
The energy implications alone will destroy any chance of autonomy amongst people and require everyone to rely on large government and corporations, destroy huge swaths of land outside of city centers and force anyone that wants to even remotely drop out to live in conditions similar to the 19th century. Homesteading, small communities, will be rendered near impossible and, in turn, we will be forced to live on top of each other or innawoods (literally because the woods will be the only areas available after solar and wind farms). A person could, hypothetically, build their own "green" energy systems for their outer home but travel would require more power than a home could reasonably generate and so much of available land will need to be reserved and controlled for the energy generation systems to power Los Angeles, New York, etc.
This plan is specifically designed to make sure we can not live anywhere, especially with any comfort, outside of heavily saturated cities.

Democrats are on the economic MAGA train now? Hell they might deliver unlike some people who promise walls.

Theres drawbacks to everything.

Turbines blow up birds and bats. Hydro can be good in run of river areas, but in areas where you have to dam it causes a lot of problems (rotting out areas, flood control modeling, etc)

Going to continue this already long explanation.
As established, a lot of good land will be needed for energy production. This guarantee of "access to nature" means that land that isn't used for production will be designated as nature preserves, national and state parks, etc. Meaning any available land outside of the solar and wind fields will be unable to be lived on. Mark my words, no one except those in control will be allowed to live outside of the hubs. Only they will be able to afford private energy generation systems, transportation and the enormous increase in land price due to availability.
The ghost towns that were once communities outside of these cities will be designated as areas to be tore down and re-established as places to "plant trees" as specified. That process will probably never be completed, but hardly anyone will be aware because travel will be too expensive and hard to go look. The simple plan here is to fully control and regulate energy down to the individual's ability to put liquid energy in a can for later use. Once that is done we are all at the whim of the government more than ever before.
At best this fails and we hit an economical disaster worse than anything we have seen before. At worst the world becomes hyper communist cities where there is no room for families, no way to truly leave and no way to hide, survive or carve out a life outside of what you are forced to have.
This will be the end of whatever freedom we had left, the end of any chance we had, and the beginning of something much worse than I think most can imagine. All of us forced to live shoulder to shoulder, easily managed and watched, with no real ability to leave and no place to go.
Polite sage for double post.

Hope is not a plan.

At absolute best this will result in a carbon copy of the USSR where people live in commie block apartments and are not allowed to travel freely without permission from the government, work at a government provided job their entire life and are lucky to be able to eat a handful of beans every day or two. More realistically these drooling retards will get voted into office one day, attempt to force the Federal Reserve to print twenty trillion dollars or so to fund all their insane dream projects and either implode the economy in a matter of hours or start another civil war by imprisoning those who refuse to cooperate for "treason".

Green nude deal? Beantits or GTFO.

it doesn't fucking matter if we should or not, mr. 1 post by this ID. we don't need fucking commies making eating meat (except bug meat of course) illegal.

Ugh. Who would even think of eating a chinaman?

Beware that it could mean
Which means they decide the costs.
Its the latter. Meat only for the chosen goy eat your fucking badly processed soy.

Better summary than I vould ever make

Make sure to have your funs

Meat wont be illegal, just discouraged for whites.

Just to give you an idea: The largest nuclear plant in the US which sits on 4,000 acres produces roughly 25.5 times more energy annually than the largest solar farm in the US which sits on 4,700 acres. In order to produce enough energy for LA county for one year you would need a solar farm that was roughly 362 square miles in size (roughly 1/3 of Rhode Island covered in solar panels) or two of the 4,000 acre nuclear plants. The woman is uber fucking stupid.

Got a source on those numbers? I kinda want to quote them on a paper.

Give me a few min and I'll put it together. Most is just wikipedia shit. Don't forget to check them when I'm done.

The plan isn't going anywhere unless someone explicitly adds in nuclear power and Amtrak upgrades to the mix. Congress has already spent the greater part of the past 30 years preparing for the SMR/Small Modular Reactor rollout in the mid 2020s, reneging on that or excluding it from the plan doesn't make it work at the most basic level. Ditto for building Yucca Mtn and telling Nevada to fuck off. Nuclear is absolutely necessary to accomplish a zero carbon future, especially when the government is already winding down solar/PV subsidies (per it's original plan passed ten years ago).

Amtrak is needed too simply because it's the political reality on the ground. No means-testable programs or generic loan office programs but an EXPLICIT promise to upgrade the national network and fully fund our long-distance trains. This message plays very well in rural areas and comprises the swing vote Cortez needs to make it into law. A clear path forward is fully committing money to CAHSR on the west coast, the NEC upgrade program (including new Hudson tunnels, a rebuilt Penn station, Penn-GCT service and a Boston north/south tunnel) in the northeast and SEHSR in the southeast.

She really, really, really needs to break the mold on this and deviate from core Dem policies if she wants to do it. She can't just push forward a full PV/wind subsidy program and expect it to work, because it will not especially when most Democrats are starting to be concerned with clean disposal problems inherit to both (which closely mirror early 70s concerns about nuclear waste storage).

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By the way just to show how dead on arrival this is:

Even if Cortez got her tax hike, her own party will demand it go to Medicare For All plus a housing and jobs guarantee.

It really is upsetting to read this as a liberal, because it's not serious. Being against nuclear doesn't work and this plan would fully kill it, a move that would only help the gas industry since killing nuclear power would be much harder than killing renewables (which are much cheaper to write off, as they don't have the same huge capital costs). It just doesn't work.

Id take a gamble on this being a money laundering scheme for the commies.

They aren't that smart, because why bother with money laundering when you can make corruption legal? I mention this because it's what Obama was accused of doing with his stimulus package, which largely failed too:

politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/15/the-trouble-with-the-green-new-deal-223977

FYI Dems, especially Cortez, have already turned on Tesla because they're not Unionized. Most, except Cortez herself, look at this whole thing as another mess that's not going to propel them forward since it's just continuing more of Obama's plans. It's all fun and games until the AFL gets mad, and notice how nuclear jobs are union while most PV manufacturing plants and installers are not.

Same for cap-and-trade. It works in California because it funds a specific project with specific, clear goals (CAHSR) as opposed to a general "buy solar now" package. To use a more specific example, the whole point of CAHSR is that it can engage in farebox recovery and thus let Caltrans better deal with Congress cutting their highway maintenance money. The Green New Deal doesn't do that, it just buys a lot of PV without any real plan to get prices down or phase-outs of technology at their end-of-life. It also does not do anything to prevent another Enron from forming, or dealing with mandatory "contingency" capacity which is how PG&E and SCE get around California's carbon laws.

On all levels it's lackluster. Including nuclear would help, but it needs more specifics on funding and emissions control.

also this is probably the best criticism of it that I've read, from a mainstream source (BoTAS is about as mainstream as mainstream gets)

thebulletin.org/2019/01/a-green-new-deal-must-not-sabotage-climate-goals/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz_Solar_Farm
Site area 19 square kilometres (7.3 sq mi), 4700acres
Annual net output 1,268 GW·h

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station
Annual net output 32,340 GWh

arizonaexperience.org/innovate/nuclear-energy

ecdms.energy.ca.gov/elecbycounty.aspx

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island
Area Ranked 50th
• Total 1,214[2] sq mi

32,430/1,268 = 25.6 times the energy produce by Palo Verde yearly.

7.3 sq mi * 25.6 = 186.88 sq mi needed to produce the same energy as Palo Verde.

67,569.24/32,340 = 2.09 Palo Verdes to produce the energy needed for LA county (2017).

Thus:

186.88 sq mi * 2.09 = 390.58 sq mi needed for a solar farm in Southern CA to produce the same energy as 2.09 Palo Verdes and power LA county (2017)

390.58 sq mi/1,214 sq mi = 0.3217 * 100 = 32.17% or roughly 1/3 of the total area of Rhode Island of Rhode Island would be covered in solar panels. Math fags feel free to correct if I missed something or applied something incorrectly.

Crazy bitch thinks she's going to reforest the US in solar panels and turbines.

Honestly, these megaprojects wreak of Globalism. Its gonna end up in a world where the plebs are force fed insects and soylent, getting meat only once a year. Meanwhile the rich consume to their heart's content.

Just look at some of the plans:

AOC

Trump

Obama

All of these plans involve shoveling money at the same people.

There's literally nothing wrong with megaprojects, but there's everything wrong with not having a clear plan for after the project is built. Hence why Biden's rail plans required it to fund either existing Amtrak lines or lines that would be self-sustaining, while also creating a funding mechanism for when their equipment has to be replaced or upgraded 30 years after initial construction.

Cortez's plan doesn't do that, it just throws money at PV manufacturers and expects everything to just work. It won't, especially when piles of unused/borken panels will be dumped in landfills and create the exact sort of love canal tier disaster environmentalists want to prevent.

This is a jewish shill.
No. It doesn't. It's physically impossible and would not provide reliable energy. Coal and nuclear work 24/7/365. Wind works when there's wind, but not too much wind. Solar works half the time, and not when there are clouds. You're retarded.
No. You fucking dumbass. The rare metals to do this DO NOT EXIST ON EARTH. It is PHYSICALLY. IMPOSSIBLE.
No, communist, they will not exist anyway. No, "clean" energy will not become cheaper due to market demand.
They don't. They plan to have people starve and freeze to death, you fucking imbecile.
No.
They don't. They plan to nationalize Monsanto and require all food to be processed and hormonally injected. You goddamn idiot.
NO, WE DON'T SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT OWNING ALL INDUSTRY, YOU FUCKING SHILL.
IT SAID TRILLION, YOU ILLITERATE FUCK. IT'S UNFUNDABLE. BY DESIGN.
You weren't born before 1989, were you? The Soviet Union had people watch lightbulbs all day. That's what it means. Kill yourself.

Shorter analysis: it's jew communism.

I'm wondering what the guys at Lockheed Martin and Boston dynamic think about that.

It's already a failure because it allows for those who are "unwilling to work". Incapable is one thing, but there's no room for those who are simply unwilling. "Unwilling" will comprise 99.9% of the population when they see how thankless and unprofitable working really is (see 70% tax).

By all means, we should care for our elderly, our children, and our physically disabled, but that's a small group compared to our "unwilling to work". Everyone who is capable of working should be forced to do so if they're simply "unwilling".

In addition, the disabled list should be double-checked for fakers. Those who are on the list for psychological disabilities should be forced into treatment, institutionalized, or forced to work within their means. Even retarded people can do simple work. Most nutbags can do simple work too, they just don't want to. For instance, a person has to be certifiably crazy to be so far out there that they're incapable of picking fruit. If they're so nuts they're incapable of pulling an apple off a tree and putting it in a bag, maybe they belong in an asylum where they can get the help that they need, or at least so they can't harm others or disrupt their work. If they're borderline, meaning capable of putting an apple in a bag but incapable of getting up, getting some breakfast and a shower, dressing themselves appropriately, and getting to the apple farm on time, perhaps they should be put in a structured and supervised group home that makes sure they get the necessities of daily living and are transported to the apple farm when they need to be there. I can guarantee you that there would be a large number of people who were miraculously cured of their disabling mental illnesses overnight if these were the new rules. Not only that, they'd probably be healthier, happier, and far better off in general than they are now.

The reason that all those planes got made for WWII was because EVERYBODY WORKED. Even the elderly chipped in with child care and making socks and blankets for the soldiers and the like while the able-bodied women worked the factories. On top of that, all families sacrificed, and oftentimes barely had enough to eat. The WWII planes didn't happen with a bunch of purple-haired, work-shy neckbeards (male, female, and wtf alike) sitting on their asses eating themselves to death while everybody else worked. Whether the goals were right or wrong, the national cooperation it took to equip the soldiers for WWII was impressive. It's unlikely to be seen again, especially for a lame, unpopular goal like "0% emissions". The people during WWII thought they were fighting to save the world; who's going to give up all their luxuries, go short on food, and scrimp and save to buy bonds for a lame-ass goal like "end fossil fuels"? Nobody sane, that's for sure. I'd expect each and every one of you to enter the ranks of "the unwilling" if this crazy plan ever passed.

The "unwilling to work" clause is the death knell for the green bill, 100% certain. Major projects like the interstate highway and WWII can't happen unless the populace is all in, and after the divisiveness of the past decade, the whole population will never go all in in any project again unless the other half of the populace is forced to comply or dead.

The only hope we will have will be states that are predominantly rural areas, especially armed, reject and eventually secede. The implementation of this will probably break and become disastrous about 25-50% through. If rural areas don't act soon enough with some sort of real resistance we will be fucked.
At some point, my guess is when gas/propane/natural gas & diesel become triple the current price, it will hopefully become obvious to most outside cities that this is a genocidal act. We will watch rails being built between mega-cities with no stops to Bumfuck Your State population a couple thousand +/- while those residents of Bumfuck, and every town like it, are paying $10 a gallon to commute, get supplies, run equipment.
At first they will recycle the "Brought 90% of the rural population power" argument and people won't realize that last time the government pushed to bring power to rural areas they didn't up and ban lamp oil, wood, coal and horses beforehand. This time they are. If it gets too late in the game the residents of Bumfuck and bigger/smaller areas neglected but punished, won't have the fuel or money to fight back. Even if it gets to the point where the Eco-Power City State of Los Angeles claims eminent domain over all of Bumfuck to build another solar farm so that Javier can have television.
Eventually it collapses enough and food production areas are abandoned due to cost to actually produce food and the standard outcome of Communism ensues. That will probably be delayed because the 19.3% of rural (and maybe even the population of semi-rural areas) won't be able to compete financially for food or even afford/have the necessary energy source to go and buy it. Eventually the food will stop. Hopefully we got the fuck out to an area that won't allow this or created areas that fought back beforehand.
That is the thing about communists, jews, liberals and their pets: They vastly ignore and undermine rural areas and their people because they see them as a threat, yet depend on what they produce. Every time their first move is to fuck up that delicate balance. Every time.
So deluded that they walk in to a grocery store, see food and honestly believe it is just there by fucking farm magic that will last forever no matter what they do.

Don't worry about fossil fuel.
They'll release ethanol and biodiesel made out of algae.
The thing that you can make yourself in your garage.
Again all of this shit is primitive technologies, and nobody is complaining about it.
Such ignorance in this world.
They all need to die.

Hmmmm…. Maybe?
But she is not for our interests remember that Op.

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Could you sound more like a fag?

Considering the trillions we spent on wars, we could already have a Green New Deal, but the Democrats love war as much as the Republicans.

I know someone with a brand new TEN MILLION dollars they can put toward this!
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She is still better than Trump though

No she really isn't you stupid fuck.

As much I tend to criticize trump on a lot of things and say he is a jewish owned puppet, no trump is a few light years than that filthy socialist.