PROOF that all political discussion is COINTELPRO

John Wilson
John Wilson

One interesting thing about the Space Elevator concept is that it serves as a mechanism for proving whether Trump is legitimately on the side of the American people or not.

Is it possible to build a space elevator today?

Yes:

youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y [Embed]

The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdf

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

Other urls found in this thread:

orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)
youtube.com/watch?v=KnxvS9XFJnE
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

Michael Clark
Michael Clark

What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

Evan Russell
Evan Russell

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.

Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

Cool, go Rambo on the White House then. Just don't get random anons on Zig Forums involved.

Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

space
real

Chase Green
Chase Green

youtube.com/watch?v=KnxvS9XFJnE

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

starts talking about violence to divert the thread
A space elevator protest at the White House would be more effective.

William Fisher
William Fisher

This is repetitive. I liked this thread the first and second time, but when you reuse the same verbiage it’s obvious what you’re doing is a regressive leftist post-intellectualist attack on the concept of successful communication. Mercurialism is necessary for real communication; you must speak in your own words in accordance with the fluctation of your own comprehension.

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

they faked it
telescopes cost hundreds of dollars
and even if you dial one in you will never find all the shit that has been left on the moon from previous visits
like, just give up goy and watch more tv
flatearthers are just terrible creatures

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

Everything is compromised.

Elijah Diaz
Elijah Diaz

Discussion is always useless. Violence always wins.

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

This isn't English class.

Brody Perry
Brody Perry

Why tho? What do we need in orbit? What do you suppose the ROI is on a massive ring? Our budget is in the dumps, we can't even pave our roads anymore. But sure, lets spend trillions so that Telcom companies can launch cheaper satellites for 50 years?

We can't even deal with the radiation to get to Mars right now. Until we solve major fuel and efficiency issues, we're not exploring shit. An elevator serves next to no purpose. For the price of creating it and putting that much weight in orbit, we could put anything in orbit we want for 100 years.

It's only a positive ROI when you consider several hundred years and longer. That's fine but we have a lot of shit to deal with first.

Josiah Bell
Josiah Bell

Then go be violent. I won't stop you.

Jack Sanders
Jack Sanders

Did you read the posts?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

Why do anything? Why build anything? You just want to survive? Go live in a cave?
How much money does the USA spend on football every year? Is that not a waste of money?

Space is everything. Space and the exploration of it are the only endeavors worthy of our time.

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.
In reality, orbit is barely more efficient for solar panels. We can put them close to the sun. There are 2 major problems with this when we look at space solar. First is, we do not have panels efficient enough to be worth putting out past Venus but if we did, it would easily outperform anything in orbit. Second, the elevator is a large ring that goes around the planet, no one will agree on that. There's no central delivery point for the power. This is the same problem with all space solar ideas. We cannot depend on a power source for North America that needs to be pipped over from Russia every night. We can microwave energy but there's no obvious place to receive it and any ideas posed in the past already were met with huge international pushback. So reality check, this isn't possible until at least 2 major superpowers are glass parking lots.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.
To generate that much power in orbit would require completely eclipsing the Earth. It would be the largest project ever undertaken by mankind. Millions of times bigger than the great wall. If any accidents occur then it could wipe out large areas. If a stupid jet fighter costs $1 Trillion, I think a planet size orbital array of solar panels is perhaps underestimated a bit.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.
Taxes have never gone down on a 5 year average. No one's taxes will ever be cut. Wages are however, totally stagnant. You're crazy if you don't think a company will still charge for power. I pay like $100 a month now? Watch that go up just because it's green and a monopoly.

Your future is a dystopian Earth, permanently eclipsed so that Elon Musk can sell us green Prime Energy at the same rate. I'll pass.

Landon Miller
Landon Miller

HLI / 3 - welcome back.
I am struggling for agency. If someone would take the time to invest in my agency, they would see reward from my efforts. I am asking for more from you than posts. I am asking for investment / inspiration to move me along towards agency.

I have a cancer treatment/mitigation project 3 might be interested in helping develop. If it encourages further consideration, I already have a patent in another field (software)…I am real.

Is there some way you would allow me to communicate outside this board?

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

as described, it won't work: waste heat

Jack Mitchell
Jack Mitchell

kike free bump

Wyatt Torres
Wyatt Torres

(((TOR)))
(((space elevator)))
Not even remotely possible.
Is it possible to build a space elevator today?
Yes:
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Cooper Walker
Cooper Walker

In reality, orbit is barely more efficient for solar panels.
It's many times more efficient

A considerable fraction of incoming solar energy (55–60%) is lost on its way through the Earth's atmosphere by the effects of reflection and absorption.

Orbiting satellites can be exposed to a consistently high degree of solar radiation, generally for 24 hours per day, whereas earth surface solar panels currently collect power for an average of 29% of the day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

John Scott
John Scott

Feel free to explain whatever technical hurdles your imagination has decided exist.

Sebastian Allen
Sebastian Allen

I am struggling for agency. If someone would take the time to invest in my agency, they would see reward from my efforts. I am asking for more from you than posts. I am asking for investment / inspiration to move me along towards agency.
You have been given ideas for how to produce agency. If you have questions, you can ask them.

I have a cancer treatment/mitigation project 3 might be interested in helping develop. If it encourages further consideration, I already have a patent in another field (software)
If this is something you can't publish, it's something you shouldn't talk about on a board like this. Proper opsec is important with these things.

Charles Rivera
Charles Rivera

Reducing heat with a solar shade is a trivial endeavor once you have a space elevator and an economy that is 10 times larger.

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

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Easton White
Easton White

you only get the you because of the aesthetic doubledubs.

ROI on an orbital ring is controlling and taxing all earth to space and space to earth resources. All generated value in space will be routed through the ring.

The advantages of construction in space are enormous for complex engineering and the materials and technologies generated in the process will greatly benefit earth citizens without having to worry about harmful byproducts. We could effectively export all waste generating production to space and environmentally curate the earth.

The revolutionary possibilities that come from space development and lift technology are beyond even our current imagination as new possibilities will open themselves to us as we progress our technological capabilities.

For the first expansion phase humans will primarily remain on earth and the ring as automated drone ships process and design asteroids into stations and habitats fit for human life.

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