Every fucking thread ends up devolving into those for acceleration and those against it. So here's the rules for a debate in this thread:
List your arguments/points FOR or AGAINST acceleration. If someone's arguments/points are flawed, counter them with logical arguments not shitposting.
We need to hash this shit out.
There is no debate. See the proof for it in this thread:
Obviously we need both. See:
Mainstream push platform and make demands within system.
Accelerators generation pressure.
Without mainstream accelerators aren't effective because platform goes nowhere. There's no one to negotiate with since terrorists don't get a seat. Without accelerationists there's no pressure to concede to their demands.
Accelerationists must publicly demand same things as mainstream but denounce mainstream for being soft.
Mainstream must publicly demand same things as accelerationists but denounce accelerationists for being criminal.
They both work to same end. Both are needed.
Accelfags are glowniggers trying to take us down
how does ACCELERATION work for those of us without guns
You join the principled mainstream party that denounces violence. See
Buy some rope and neck yourself.
I'm FOR acceleration, I've been ready for a long time, but I wanted to make a thread for people to list their reasons for/against
Theres no debate. Voting has proved absolutely useless. It doesn't matter who you vote for, things ALWAYS move left. This is by design. The only difference is how fast they move left. Those in control know that if they move too fast, their plans wont work. The only way to have any kind of change is to make things bad enough quick enough to upset the normal faggots and reset the system.
THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION
A C C E L E R A T E
Steal guns.
The slow boil of "conservatism" vs progressivism will no longer be tolerated. You had your chance to show that you will actively push to the right and you failed. Time to accelerate to the collapse.
What have conservatives ever conserved?
Name one thing they conserved?
This isn't a trick question.
quite simply encouraging violence is morally wrong and anyone who commits violence for any reason - even governments - are wrong
others disagree and use the argument that 'violence is necessary' when as a moral principle it isn't.
That is the problem with "conservatism". It is all a lie and a scam. "Conservatives" only rush in after the fact to claim if you elect them they will "fight to conserve" whatever it is that has already been lost. This is exactly why it is time to do away with the "conservative" charade.
Back in reality, I can't remember which general said it, but to paraphrase - there are only two ways to get someone to do something, you either convince them, or you FORCE them. We're long past the point of convincing people. However, FORCE can include non-violent acceleration methods if that's what you prefer, but ultimately a collapse is going to yield massive violence anyway. You won't get the chance to be a pacifist after the collapse, but you can choose to be a victim if your conviction for not using violence is that strong.
what collapse?
you have a goal predetermined
Exactly
The Acceleration anons are ultimately I think optimist. They think that people will rise and fight, they won't. Look at the current response by the kiwi fags. Turning in their guns willingly over the deaths of a couple of Goat fuckers from a mosque connected to terrorism. In the USA it is so completly fucked all of these "Muh Guns/Freedom" fucks all suck the dick of the pigs and the terrorist in the military. Look at the zombies that follow Alex Jonestein.
Until we have attacks everyday by the disciples of St.Roof and Brother Browers it will just feed the Jew/Nigger to whine and get the disgusting white suburbanite woman voter to give up more of our rights.
Pros: it's the only solution there is.
Cons: None, there's no other solution.
What the fuck do you think the point of acceleration is?
that doesn't mean you're correct in wanting that goal
Again, it's not a goal, it's an inevitability, and that's the point of acceleration, to decrease the time line that will it take under normal conditions.
Why are you even here? You literally don't understand acceleration in the least, totally fucking ignorant.
Collapse of the system implies a full fledged judeo-chinese takeover in America and a Russian takeover in Europe. The people at the top will be the exact same while you kill yourselves. REMINDER THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO PURE PEASANT REVOLUTIONS. Most revolutions do not begin after collapse, they begin with a big wig getting sassy with another one.
This is an anonymous board. We have no proof of who the face is behind the posts advocating it. For all we know, it is the enemy goading us into over-extension and recklessness. Or for the FBI-favorite entrapment strategy. We are simply incapable of building the intel required to make any kind of risk-assessment on a macro scale like this. If you think nation-changing geopolitical strategy can be conducted from a handful of anonymous people on an open online image board, against multi-billion dollar disinformation programs, you're fucking delusional.
Not trying to blackpill, but these kinds of sudden meme/narratives that sprout up overnight like [a c c e l e r a t e] should be ringing major alarm bells. If all the enemy has to do to hijack our group consciousness is concoct some spicy new meme every other month, then we're going to lose. The enemy WANTS to distract us with pointless bullshit.
The worst enemy of Zig Forums is laziness and cowardice. Most of us can barely even scrape ourselves out of bed in the morning. We should be [a c c e l e r a t i n g] our fat asses off the couch and fixing our fucking lives first. Clearly the opposite of what the enemy wants. This war is going to painful for a very long time; there's no cheating our way around it with le-sneaky memes.
Most revolution would be ended by the military taking over, which would be better than now.
Yes there fucking is.
Do you want to live in ZOG until you are old THEN the race war happens?
Yes
no it isn't
It is, every empire collapses, it matters on how long it does.
The same argument stands that some of those anons may actually have power to force change, you don't know who anyone here is. And the point isn't to centralize and unify, it's debate FOR or AGAINST acceleration. The point is to brainstorm and look and ideas and arguments.
typos, deal with it
This guy gets it
so what empire do you want to create after the current one?
Under a military state you have less autonomy than a civilian state. Take all justification hoops they have to junp through to bring you down now and throw those out. ZOG but fully free to ban wrongthink using whatever strategy they wish, such as what they're currently doing, ZOG but free to kill you openly as a public enemy. Remember Waco. Lemmings are lemmings and believe what they're told
accelerating violence is fine.
accelerating cuckoldry is not.
True everyone who believes in Accel needs to be training everyday. Money is no excuse: walking-running is free, an user can get stronger than 98% of the population by body weight training which is free, eating better/right is a little more money but a lot more effort. A knife or an ice pick is cheap. A machete is cheap so is a hand axe. Good guns can be bought for $300 or less legally or not. Books are free or PDF for download.
EVERYDAY train to deal with the nigger-Jew-Spic triad. No mercy, no remorse no pity
Quite literally is a mathematical certainty that collapse is inevitable, but given your obvious ignorance and/or stupidity, I don't find it the least bit surprising you actually believe otherwise.
What does personal suffering even matter if we say we're fighting against a genocide? If we had half the conviction we pretend we do, we would be jumping at the opportunity to suffer our entire fucking lives if it meant serving the effort and winning.
FRESH ACCELERATIONISM OC
ANTI-ACCELERATIONISM IS ANTI-NATSOC AND THEREFORE ANTI-Zig Forums.
Accelerationism has been talked about for years in Zig Forums circles. As far back as 2015 is was getting traction, Merkel's demented actions are what were the major catalyst that made it more than a meme like Ancap. If anything the "blackpill" crowd is the one you should be watching, the Q-user Larp is the biggest example of an organized blackpill group trying to defeat the accelerationism mindset that Zig Forums views as inevitable. I think the accelerationist have a rather naive outlook, an armed revolt in any major Western country is going to get dog-piled by the rest of NATO, particularly the US, France and UK. NATO will NEVER let a nuclear power fall to unknown groups. Not to mention armed rebellions never go as expected and almost always leave the resultant peoples in worse shape than before.
f=ma, mv is momentum (p)
time to make it go pop
I know, but 2 hours of sleep. Fuck! FIXED!
It is not about personal suffering, it's about fighting capacity, you are shit at fighting at old age.
The opportunity is now and slipping and slipping as we get older.
how serious are you about creating a "NatSoc Antipol" society? or are you just joking? or do you really want to enact your ideals?
You're just here to give moral support to others who do want to mass murder people?
where's your evidence?
i don't belive it is certain - unless people, like you make it so.
That's very nice, Mr. Rabbi. You want to make he world a new empire free of Jews and everything Jewish? But you want others to do it on your behalf? And 'back in reality', you're ok with that?
No, I've run two fascist political groups IRL and I've got a new one planned that will make every other group ever look like a joke.
you dont speak for Zig Forums
contribute or kys
I am.
Collapse-Every government is bankrupt. In the USA nearly every major city is bankrupt due to pension obligations and bond debt to tax base ratios. Most states are borderline insolvent but bankrupt if they have to bail out the cities. Look at corporate debt levels and they are fucked as well. Look at personal debt levels they are fucked. When there is another downturn there is noway to get out by the FED. Besides there is no such thing as infinite growth in a fixed system and that is the boundaries of the economic game.
Anti-Accelerationism means you want whites to fight the invaders when they are weaker. Its anti-white thats for sure. Nat-Soc isn't limited to whites. Infact, you could make a pretty good argument that modern day china is Nat Soc as fuck.
EVERY. EMPIRES. EVER.
People will make it so because empires are run by man.
Shill confirmed.
You being this retarded is truly astonishing.
Not just empires (which run I think ~250 years on average). But solar flares ~every 12,000 years, sun will engulf the earth in like 10-12 billion years, yellowstone, a massive earthquake that sinks CA into the pacific, extrasolar flares, aliens, viruses, nuclear war, etc.
On the more short term side of things, fiat monetary system collapse, economic collapse, civil war, etc.
why are you wanting to rid the world of the Jews? or are you? you just hate them put you're not wanting to "accelerate" the world so others will enact your ideology of genocide, starting with encouraging others to kill Jews, no matter how many? or are you just doing it for a laugh and you don't really believe in what you say you believe? because it's scary to do it?
so you won't
so you believe accelerationism is wrong?
but you won't do anything about it?
you just want people to hate Jews but do nothing about it? and certainly not kill anyone?
So you don't believe in murdering Jews?
You just hope they'll die.
And that's morally correct?
OK rabbi.
Is that in your script? Just counter people by calling them a kike? They should fire your retarded shill ass, your ignorance betrays you.
get with it, Rabbi.
start preparing some killshots
Are you from here? No. Jews are responsible for everything bad: Communism, USSR, Communist China, the deaths in both countries as a result, feminism, pornography which is destroying society, central banking which has destroyed the world, etc. All they do is go from country to country shitting everything up and flooding them with sub-clinically retarded third world barbarians. Read the CUlture of Critique by Dr Kevin MacDonald or the articles on Jews by Dr Andrew Joyce. They are, from a scholarly perspective, a parasitic super-evil.
And I am accelerating. I am starting up a new political group that will publically work to expose the Juden world-wide, including all their most heinous crimes.
You get guns.
but no, i don't think it's morally right to insult anyone because of their religion. i think people should treat each other with respect and dignity at all times.
rolling for military takeover
What does he mean by this?
Why does he say this?
Schizo jew shill.
i don't
While violence WILL at some point be necessary, there are many ways to hinder the government and drain resources. Call the police over stupid things, go to the ER every time you get a cold. Fraud, empty threats at targets wasting LE's time (DON'T do this if you have no idea what you're doing!). I find enjoyment merely being a nuisance in general in public & private buildings (don't draw too much attention obviously) like fucking with expensive machinery, turning the thermostat way up or down and wasting massive amounts of electric, even dialing long distance & international from courtesy telephones. Always expect that you're being observed on camera and act subtly and in secrecy. Play dumb but don't be a retard. If you feel guilt, remember who the real terrorists are. Scout out paths with little/no cameras. Use Linux and full-disk encryption, stop using botnet software. Learn how to communicate online without getting fuxed and treat everyone asking you questions like a fed. peace.
fag
Main problem I have with accelerationism is the fact that currently we don't have a viable replacement for the system.
If we bring everything down and the old order is gone what do we use to replace it? Who are going to be the new elites? I mean we can't turn Zig Forums into the replacement for a parliament.
Without a new order of our liking to take it's place and reshape the world the old order is simply going to come back and we have to start all over again. The people controlling our world will, even if we kill them, simply come back. Even if those at the very top die they will be replaced because the system and it's ideology itself will create them.
Another thing to consider is the stab-in-the-back myth. If right wingers accelerate things those shills will say afterwards "Well you see our Multi-Culti-Multikill utopia would have worked if those right wingers hadn't brought it down. Thus our new order will lack sympathy in the eyes of the people and the lack of stability will cause it to be fragile and eventually collapse.
I think it's crucial that we think of the global cabal not as a machine but as an organism and just like every organism it is dying. We don't have to jam the gears of a machine to bring it to stop. It will stop not because it's broken but because it's dead. No matter what happens the old always perishs and makes way for the young. They cannot keep the system alive forever. The only thing we have to make sure of is that something new actually exists at the time the old is gone.
That's what we should focus on. Creating the groundwork for a new world. It's not so much about the fight against the system itself it's about the fight for a better one.
Instead of fighting against the present it is crucial that we fight for the future.
Our struggle isn't something destructive instead it is ultimately creative.
no u
It's called surrender not. "acceleration"
the entire premise that something good will happen after collapse is retarded.
All you'll get is a worse situation than we currently have and you will have no one to blame but yourself for being an "accelerationist"
Pretty much this.
The optics cucks and those LARPing as such have been utterly destroyed on every front, but they're doing the classic jewish thing.
Remember this quotation when confronting the enemy in these threads.
shit post but I just got banned from Twitter! They are cracking down on all dissent
Only way to find out is to try, and since you've failed miserably to achieve any change, might as well.
If all you can offer as an alternative is a slow boil - and that IS all you can offer - then I'll take my chance with the acceleration. And that's your fault, really - if you were less incompetent and appeared able to do anything at all to oppose what's happening around you, maybe people would have faith in your ability.
But you haven't, so they don't, so acceleration it is, and you have no one to blame but yourself.
Anyone think if it was 50 christian worshippers, a muslim with automatic weapon would have been caught?
I don't buy the response time nor the lack of security.
Alright OP, since you wanted my rant that I posted just a day before Tarrant came along…
Accelerationists are worse than flat earth disinfo shills not because of how firmly entrenched they are in their delusions, but because of the damage they will wreak upon white nations in the name defeatism, or worse, salvation. While they intend to wake the populace up, the methods they advocate for will only lead to snakier, shadier politicians enacting stronger complacency measures as the world continues to burn around them.
Whenever you read a post advocating for policies that lead to absolute havoc in the misguided belief that people will grow uncomfortable and revolt, there's been countries Namibia, Rhodesia, and SAfrica who've seen those changes, yet haven't done anything to rebel. Say what you will about those three, but they've had white majorities that got too complacent past the point of no return.
If you truly want people to grow uncomfortable with the world they live in, ruling puppeteers, head writers, and (((directors))), simply show them what lies beneath that facade - we live in an age of infographs and an insatiable appetite for knowledge - the blind want to see! If you point out to the hapless patron that the mcdicks they're eating is, well, full of dicks, they're not gonna want to eat it. Trump's election was more than enough to convince even the most ignorant, bluepilled motherfuckers that something was wrong with the government - even if they're completely misguided about it. Naming the jew and exposing the noses behind the curtain without all the disastrous and restrictive changes that necessitate from an election sure as shit will open more than a few eyes.
One sound strategy is to dump all the jew memes onto zoomer spawning grounds - dress it up in an ironic, deep friend zoomer-friendly format if you need to, just make sure that they take in information that their schools didn't teach them otherwise and open them up to the jew. Same works for facebook and hopefully any Gen-X or Later boomers who, despite the infinitesimally low probability, might actually feel shock and regret for what they've done. By this way, you'll get both cohorts steadily feeling unease and a growing cognitive dissonance that they can't exactly ignore.
All you need to do to them is for what they did to you - rob them of the joy in their life and invalidate their bread and circus - the bread has gone stale/moldy, and the circus is comprised of spiteful one-trick ponies. If they're too "immunized" or stubborn, strike at an opportune time where they're more somber, sober, and open to any notion that they believe will make them feel right again, and deliver in any way you see fit - preferrably in a comforting manner. People love comfort.
Name the jew instead, point out their bread-and-circus grew stale and moldy - but don't forget to tell them that they don't have to stick with it, that they deserve better. Give them a little hope spot.
There is no debate. We will not do what jews want.
This, we will accelerate
good stuff in here. archive.org
who cares if anyone's for or against? acceleration doesn't need 'ists. entire point is, too late for debate. as with trolley problem, have to already be shoving the fat guy before your conscious of the problem or it's moot.
That's all assuming things normalize prior to actual collapse, though. You're thinking on an entirely different time scale, one that accels think is suicidal.
There doesn't need to be a unifying strategy. We aren't fighting honorable White people. Learn from the enemy, their strategies have mostly been used against one another.
A little of everything is fine. No unifying strategy means we get to claim no allegiance to any accel actions (I am a pacifist and Zig Forums is a board of peace) while still reaping the obvious benefits of that strategy.
Hot damn.
Forgive my newfaggotry but what is acceleration?
How many shots until.these blow up.in your hands and kill you?
The way i see it its technically impossible to gain back control in the west without fist destroying what systems govern it.
The kikes have seemingly waterproofed (((democracy))) through a closed loop of manipulation, so even if you were to survive the (((accidents))) you will have once they see you as a serious threat to their power you will still have to prove the manipulation, which is impossible without evidence.
The only chance outside of tearing it all down would be to have their golems in our governments revolt, and i dont see that happening any time soon.
I understand that it will cost a great sacrifice to break this system, but its corruption is so deeply rooted that i dont see any other way.
Alternatively, we could just wait until the US empire collapses eventually and then strike the kikes when their power is reduced. Not exactly a winning formula either imo. as it does not stop the destruction of our race and may take too long. Chaos on the other hand will at least give us the opening to fight and regain control, not to mention that the rapefugee smugling will become complicated once you have to deal with your smuggling ship being fired at as soon as it nears the habor.
Soros-tier subversive NGOs and the likes could also be faced with a neat visit by the militia and dealt the punishment for their treason. Something that will be almost impossible unless the overall situation is shit-city already due to (((international))) backlash.
Im open to any different ideas, but keep in mind that time is NOT on our side, and any day this system continues to exist is another day of artificial demographic change against us.
Watching blackpilled recently?
fpbp
Heres the problem people don't understand.
America right now is no where close to where it once was, we are no longer a white country. The US is the empire of ZOG, and by extension it is the keystone to the kike global hegemony. If the US dies, the world's trade will die off and we will enter a global depression the likes of which never seen that will also result in most institutions and governments worldwide collapsing. If america can get SIEGED.COM then we can rebuild from there. Europe will be fine in the long run as it still has its ethnic identity, America will probably balkanize but it will be better in the long run.
It's astounding how many mystery meats I walk past every day. I walk past hundreds of people every moment of my life who I couldn't even guess their ethnic heritage if I tried. Add to that the fact that these mutts have European names, and it just staggers me. I met a guy named "Rick Harris" the other day who could've passed for a dark-skinned mulatto in the antebellum south the other day. And the way Americans dress nowadays, for fucks sake. Toms and a pair of pajama pants are no way to leave the house. I understand why mass shootings happen now. A disgust with slovenly behavior, racial incongruity. and social dis-cohesion. It's all as clear as day.
The biggest issue I see with accelerationism is that you have to depend on the enemy making mistakes. If the enemy is aware of the dangers then you can't expect him to keep accelerating himself.
It's like providing firewood with the hopes that your enemy is actually using enough for the flames to get out of control. Feeding your enemies doesn't sound like a surefire strategy if all you're hoping is that their greed is gonna make them get diabetes. It's just another way to give them ammo they can choose to use whenever they want to.
This is what I've been waiting for. this way we're using the kikes' own strategy against them.
There are two ways:
1. Accelerationism "wins" and 3rd WW breaks out, the system collapse, but elite will be safe, we fight to death and that's all. They win and the cicle starts again.
2. The elite manage to carry out their masterplan and human race is totally domesticated/enslaved, and Matrix is implanted.
(YES WE ARE FUCKED ANYWAY)
Are they? How will they ensure this? All heads can roll
Also who are the elites. I presume it wouldn’t be that hard to assassinate a political leader. Happens all the time. But these are not the elites. Who are they? Will they survive if their banks go under? Their companies stop producing? If food stores run out of wares?
Instead of defeatism plan for their defeat
The highest echelons of control are completely and unironically philanthropic. Methods will always be controversial; start thinking in results.
Not really calling for a unified strategy, so much as a strategy less likely to have us demonized in the eyes of the fencesitters and all else.
Everyone "Brenton Tarrant" shoots at covers their face to protect their identity. Only their faces.
They censor the internet so that you don't pay attention to the little (((weird))) Building 7 fuckups on their part.
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Right now the elite feel free to use prostitutes if they desire. So-called powerful people thrive in a lawless void where prostitutes have no power or protections. They tolerate crime rather than sorting through to legalize bits of it.
Right now prostitufion is unclean and unsafe because it is banned rather than regulated. For my own campaigning to fix that, one of the labels used against me was, “Moralist!” So be it, then; it is immoral to leave prostitution banned and thereby to leave prostitutes at the mercy of the powerful.
Accelerationism is a retarded concept by the kind of people who imagine anyone who points out that they’re being retarded must be retarded themselves. It’s narcissism after the fashion of leftist thought leaders who believed guilt by association would have no drawbacks for their campaign - to be accelerationist you must believe you understand your opponent so completely that you can do their bidding in a way that destroys them. People dumb enough to be that arrogant rarely understand their opponent well enough to do their opponent’s bidding at all.
This is good. It's the extremist-moderate muslim gambit.
There's no point, Zig Forums is gone. Take care of your shit irl. Do what needs doing, be ready or take the battle to minecraft semites, corporations, and politicians in minecraft.
Nice demoralization. We're only getting faster, angrier, and zanier. You kikes need to take a fuckin joke man, Jesus. Yes, we want you all to die, but it's part and parcel of living in a vibrant, multicultural world. Did Rabbi not cover that in training, Avi?