We need an alternative to the internet

Jackson Green
Jackson Green

It seems obvious to me that our greatest weapon in the war against globalism is the ability to form covert interests groups with people from all over the world for a common purpose. If we used this power to our best ability, I believe we would have a decent chance at reversing our current predicament. But any chance we have can easily be dashed if the powers at be deem the internet too dangerous for their slaves to possess. So question is, how can we continue this war of information when our main tool for doing so is mostly coopted by our very enemies?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad_hoc_network
arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/
youtube.com/watch?v=utqSOfuVcMI
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Christian James
Christian James

Kim Dotcom has been trying to do that which he codenamed "meganet" but he's now caught up fighting his own US extradition case in New Zealand and is also helping Julian Assange's case.

rt.com/news/410606-kim-dotcom-meganet-internet/

twitter.com/kimdotcom/status/567431874578894849

thehackernews.com/2015/02/meganet-decentralized-internet.html

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Logan Wilson
Logan Wilson

are you talking about the internet protocol as a whole or the web?

Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

Both really. We don't have control over the infrastructure of the internet nor do we have control over the web itself. We need to create a system that makes every an equal shareholder in this process.

Nicholas Harris
Nicholas Harris

what about an outernet?

Evan Ward
Evan Ward

Software can be built that operates on top of the existing Internet and provides the necessary functionality. All the basic primitives already exist but no one has (yet) put together the "killer app" that ties it all together.

Individuals (vs 3rd-party authorities) must have the ultimate power, restoring freedom of association. Bitcoin is one example of such a technology, in this case it enables an individual to store and transfer his own money, versus being forced to go through some 3rd-party authority (such as a bank).

But storing/transferring money is only one piece of the puzzle. Individuals must be able to message each other directly, as well as post and browse any information they want, anonymously if necessary. Bitmessage, Freenet, I2P, and Tor are all examples of technology intended to provide this functionality.

Similarly, individuals must have control over their own identity, not having to depend on some authority for functionality such as credentials, profile meta-data, and contacts/connections. Open-Transactions is one example of a library intended to solve this problem.

The "killer app" will combine all of these aspects into a unified whole, greater than the sum of its parts. Publishers should be able, for example, to post information under a pseudonym, and consumers should be able to browse that information anonymously while paying the publishers for posting it. Consumers should know for a fact that the publisher is actually the one being paid, and not some imposter. Publishers should not have to worry about being "de-platformed" by some 3rd-party authority who disapproves of their message. Users should be able to form discussion groups, post videos, etc, with all necessary resource allocation handled by the underlying protocol instead of by some authority like Google.

This software can be built, but engineering is expensive. Perhaps it will come along eventually on its own. Otherwise we might consider steering some funding (somehow) to the right people so they can actually spend their time focused on building it.

Jason Nelson
Jason Nelson

Otherwise we might consider steering some funding (somehow) to the right people so they can actually spend their time focused on building it.
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No, no one here is gonna do shit.
At this point our best bet is meganet.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

What about a network which uses a kind of cryptographic key that any outside party cannot access? It would use standard infrastructure but all transmissions would be digitally encrypted between each individual user. Both users would share their keys with eachother to send traffic or messages, but the transmissions themselves would be completely secured. Or is that basically what the meganet and killer app does?

David Cruz
David Cruz

Preparing for the case that we can't use anything internet-like for sharing information and communication because it is heavily controlled and censored or inaccessible might not be the worst idea.
Things like :
Preparing physical copies of information online.
Networking in RL
Rediscovering old forms of communication and developing new ones.
Establishing codes to protect information from enemies.
Establishing ways to ensure that information comes from where it's supposed to and hasn't been tampered with.

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Christian Barnes
Christian Barnes

The end is nigh

Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

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when you've ridden so many miles of cock your "dat gap" applies to your pussy

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Luke Moore
Luke Moore

HF-waves-net with bio-quantum cryptography protocol and connected direct to the brain re/transiver.

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Robert Reyes
Robert Reyes

The internet will inevitably be conquered, it is really only copper wire\microwave towers\fiber optics and switches, and the Jews will likely eventually buy all these.

The only hope is wireless communication, but putting too much energy in the air is bad for health, especially if it isn't a directional antenna like the parabolic dishes on top of microwave towers, which constrain the energy to a narrow beam.

The solution, which may or may not come into our hands in time to save the our generation from massive genocide in WWIII or Civil War II, is a wireless communication device which somehow works through quantum tunneling through the Earth giving it apparent faster than light or electromagnetic possibilities.

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Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

RetroShare is a Free and Open Source cross-platform, Friend-2-Friend and secure decentralised communication platform.
RetroShare is a decentralized, private and secure commmunication and sharing platform. RetroShare provides filesharing, chat, messages, forums and channels.

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Chase Flores
Chase Flores

Sounds like you're describing TOR. As explains, the problem is not any particular piece of technology, but stacking them in a single protocol that we can all agree to use.

Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad_hoc_network

Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

In a computerized civilization, encryption is the fundamental building block of liberty.
Julian Assange

Julian Lewis
Julian Lewis

It's called real life.

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

Anything but actually taking action, right Moishe? As long as the goyim can sit and complain without being able to do anything about it of course.

Adam Johnson
Adam Johnson

Ham
Smoke signals
Radio djs dropping memetiers
That’s an idea

Ethan Diaz
Ethan Diaz

It's called
cavelife

Adam Lewis
Adam Lewis

"Real life" is being hollowed out by industrialization and bought out by a shrinking minority of the wealthiest property owners.

Asher Sanders
Asher Sanders

If you value liberty don't follow in that guy's footsteps.

muh liberty
Will get 20 years labour followed by a cup of polonium tea

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

If you value liberty don't follow in that guy's footsteps.
That's the message people like (((you))) are trying to push. Be fearful, goyim.

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

Yeah. It's called life.

You know, we live in an age of shirkers, of deadbeats, of people who actually think they're being smart by never being responsible for anything. It seems like the first rule a lot of our soldiers in Vietnam learned 25 years ago was "never volunteer for anything." That's what I hear from a lot of Vietnam vets. But this attitude also has permeated our whole society and has affected many Americans who are too young to have been in Vietnam. People who spend a lot of time on the Internet discussing political and social issues with other people tell me that the word there too is "never join anything; if you do the government may cause you trouble or you may be asked to do something; so the smart thing to do – the safe thing to do – is never join anything."

Well, of course, the thing about the Internet is that it is anonymous. People can express their opinions about anything they want without anybody knowing who they are. They all use pseudonyms or nicknames. It's the perfect environment for cowards, for shirkers. They can shoot their mouths off and act like real men without being called to account. And like shirkers everywhere, they would like for everyone else to be a shirker too, so they are not shown up for what they are. They would like for their cowardice and irresponsibility to be regarded as prudence. They want to thought of as smart guys instead of as shirkers.

But really, how smart is it never to accept any personal responsibility? What that amounts to is opting to be a spectator in life instead of a participant. Life is interesting. Life can be fun. There are many fascinating things to observe, to talk about. And I guess these smart guys figure that they will watch it all first. They will talk about it all with their friends first. Then when they know everything they can go back and make smart choices about what to become involved in. They won't make any mistakes.

But you know, it doesn't work that way. You don't get to go back and start over after you've watched it all and got it all figured out. You only get one shot at life, and you've got to make the most of it. You've got to figure it out as you go, even if that means accepting some risk and making some mistakes. There's no going back. If you just watch it all the way to the end, telling everyone how smart you are because you're not making any commitments or taking any chances, you've missed your chance to live. And that chance never will come again. The people who live are the people who participate in life, not the spectators who just watch it go by.

~Dr. William Pierce

Aiden Nguyen
Aiden Nguyen

I didn't say don't follow him - I said don't do it for freedom.

Plus he really failed to accelerate anything other than (((Trump))).

Carter Foster
Carter Foster

Much as I like Jordan Peterson, it's important to note who most of his audience probably is, middle class white people from the burbs. Most of us probably come from messed up backgrounds, people like us really can't afford to take risks like these. Someone with the family and resources can afford to screw up, someone will be there to pick him up if/when he falls, us? Not so much. Look at this this way, when a cow is slaughtered, it's not the cow who benefits, it's the guests who could afford to pay the exorbent fee. We're no different…

Kevin Perez
Kevin Perez

Those complaints about people's behavior on the internet may all be true, but that's not an excuse not to make a better decentralized alternative to the internet that everyone is connected to.

Charles Green
Charles Green

Whitey keeping me down
Stop thinking like a nigger.

David Edwards
David Edwards

Meh. It'd just get colonised by commercial interests again once it got good.

Go build a cabin in the woods - you will get more out of it than building a second internet.

Andrew Scott
Andrew Scott

a better decentralized alternative to the internet that everyone is connected to.
And that is the flaw in your thinking. Any alternative (which is neigh impossible without millions of dollars) would be like gab. Just another place that very few people outside of nationalist circles know about. And eventually (((they)))'d probably shut it down if it became a place where people organized.

Interestingly, Dr. Pierce had a lot to say about the American Middle Class too and it was not very kind.
But I understand what you're saying. We are in an immensely weak position because we lack rich backers. Most revolutionary movements have had powerful and rich backers to help mitigate the drawbacks of resisting the established Order. Communists for instance have always enjoyed the support or bourgeoise idealists and jews.
I worry that without some support from moneyed idealists on our side, we will fail.
This is why I never spent much time countersignaling Richard Spencer.
I disagreed with a lot of what he had to say, but at least he was talking about White issues.
It's a shame that more rich White men don't have the courage he did.

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

It would be difficult to "colonise" a wireless mesh network system broadcasting a decentralized, non-IP based encrypted network.

Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

Any alternative (which is neigh impossible without millions of dollars)
This is false, and it will only get cheaper.

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/

Carter Adams
Carter Adams

For the moment you want to be going open source on everything, avoiding jewish spying, backdoors, and jewish 'secure messaging' honeypots.

Charles Butler
Charles Butler

Retroshare
Anyone have any experience with this?

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

I think what you want is either Yggdrasil, Babel, or cjdns. Any of those work on top of the Ethernet layer, so as long as you have link connectivity (as in WiFi, Ethernet, AX25, whatever), you can build your own network or actually join existing ones.

see youtube.com/watch?v=utqSOfuVcMI

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

Looking at this from an engineering perspective, the solution to that is relatively straightforward. Before you can begin building something, you must first know WHAT you are building. By putting some voices together and qualified people adding their feedback, that can be used as a starting point.

The thing is, with posts like this, there's a LOT of truth in what people are saying, but 999/1000 times it dead-ends, and the valuable information and ideas disappear, forever forgotten after a few days. IMO, before we go about inventing new communication protocols or whatever (which is great), we need to greatly increase the efficiency of our actions, namely through new generations of collaborative tools and organizing information. Like I said earlier, this thread provides an excellent example to this. What if valuable posts (ideas, insights, constraints, etc) get put into an outline format with added explanations to them, and is available to anyone else wanting to learn more about this, hopefully with the objective of making something? This person doesn't have to start at zero…. zero starting points, zero people to communicate with who hold the same interests, etc.

In terms of short term communication, we have it 30% down. In terms of long term strategic use of information and data, there are no free, open source projects or systems to handle this.

Does anyone else see what I mean? This is a systems engineering challenge before anything else.

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Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

Responsibility without power is slavery. We have no power and are the only group that can be legally discriminated against. Why would we put our lives on the line for a system that actively tries to destroy us?

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

Holy shit lmao that's dark

Jackson Thomas
Jackson Thomas

And actually taking command of the infrastructure or building our own is literally impossible. So the only other remaining is a mesh network of wireless systems. The problem there is distance and hardware, you end up with bottlenecks because of geographic constraints making the system useless outside a local cluster.

That being said, we don't need any of this. We can use the existing infrastructure tcp/ip with heavy encryption.

Sadly this is an area I've put a significant amount of time into solving, but without sufficient capital I don't see it happening.

Juan Lopez
Juan Lopez

Sounds like you're describing TOR.
I don't think you have a single clue what Tor even does.

Jeremiah Turner
Jeremiah Turner

HAMnet
broadband-hamnet.org

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

We need an alternative to the internet
I couldn't agree more.
"One is none and two is one".
IMO there should be at least 4 viable independent systems GTG at any one time, that all produce more or less same results but do it with entirely diff methods. Same double-check idea as Double Entry Accounting in the old days.

Also, on similar but diff note, why cunt some wiz-kid cum up with a Govt-resistant distrubuted , peer2peer similar to Napster(but not "stealing" and by definition only sharing "private thoughts" etc) Open Sore version of Social Media, that being NON-CORP and NON-Big Brother, would instantly become the NEW HIP Social Media???

I'd like it to ALSO include what I'd call "Universal SM" in that it would scan and amalgamate all current platforms listings of all the big Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc, thus becoming "supermarket/dept store" one stop shop, while at same time…..removing any ads.

IMO, as a boomer with only limited purely academic understanding of computers and shit, this seems like it would be easy, and I'm amazed it hasn't happened, and IMO Facebook, etc stocks are about as sound as Theranos.

What gives?

Asher Wright
Asher Wright

Facebook/Twitter go out of their way to prevent people from pulling data into unauthorized apps. You can't just scrape all of Facebook like that.

Mason Nelson
Mason Nelson

Look at the demoralization (((kike))).

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

Use pidgeons

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

A (((rothschild))) was once quoted as saying "The Internet should not have reached the [hands of] the masses…" Or something like that, while talking with another (((rat))).

Jace Turner
Jace Turner

The main problem is that there are only three groups that need high security, normie-proof anonymous internet. The other two groups are child pornographers and drug dealers.

It's the company we keep, fellows. Get offline.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

I love eating tacos. Why do you guys want to kill the Mexicans?

Isaac Howard
Isaac Howard

<Bitcoin is one example of such a technology, in this case it enables an individual to store and transfer his own money, versus being forced to go through some 3rd-party authority (such as a bank).
<Individuals must be able to message each other directly, as well as post and browse any information they want, anonymously if necessary.
All the basic primitives already exist but no one has (yet) put together the "killer app" that ties it all together.

Saw this today: a guide for decentralized, anonymous publishing. The idea is to use the BCH blockchain as a DNS for IPFS hashes. The way I see it this connects social media type accessibility (memo.cash protocol) with distributed file sharing. I wouldn't call it a killer app yet but it looks like something I could do and I'm no /tech/ wizard by any means. not like I have anything worth publishing

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

ASTRAL TRAVEL.
Choose one location: Siberia, some castle, north/south poles, a mountain, etc. Advance to telepathy.

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

Teach me master

Brody Young
Brody Young

Radio waves can be used to communicate over several miles. You could create your own internet by connecting many different points. It'd be slow, and could easily be jammed, and are extremely regulated by law. You'd go to jail for attempting it.

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

Light waves are also regulated. Lasers are federally banned, but you can use a "pointer" up to 5 mW. Not very strong at all, slow, and a line of sight can easily be broken. I don't want to know what would happen to someone that tried to communicate using light. Sound is probably also out of the question, right now we can only broadcast high-frequency sound a few dozen feet. Really, you need wires, which are impossible to lay because only the government is allowed to install lines across the vast majority of land.

Jacob Taylor
Jacob Taylor

Oh boy, it's another Zig Forums pretends to be /tech/ while knowing nothing about computers except how to install steam thread!

These are always good. Kind of saddening, but always hillarious to read posts by technologically illiterate boomers and 37 year olds that think Mac vs PC is a real debate.

David Diaz
David Diaz

whining at nothing in particular
Are you a woman?

David Martinez
David Martinez

Shut up junkie

Ayden Sanders
Ayden Sanders

Light doesn't automatically mean lasers. This system here uses LEDs and was tested up to about a mile, for over 10 years. They also made an infrared version.
ronja.twibright.com/

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

In Europe its illegal to transmit voice over radio without a license, I wonder why? But in the United States the 433.050MHz to 434.790MHz band is open to everyone but is fairly cluttered though it would be useful to get into knowing about radio because it'll be necessary once SHTF.

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Henry Gutierrez
Henry Gutierrez

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Hunter Stewart
Hunter Stewart

can niggers and spics invent a system of sending smoke signals by burning the homes of white people to the ground? I can get behind that.

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

We need more aerostates.

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Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

Is there anything that isnt illegal in Europe?

Matthew Johnson
Matthew Johnson

+
Aerostat for Solar Power Generation

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Charles Moore
Charles Moore

and
A Wind Turbine Inside A Floating Blimp

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Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

Yes i do user

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

We need a wall, not a new internet.

Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

zeronet on tor, it already exists.

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

It's called Blockchain internet.

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