IQ is largely a pseudoscientific swindle

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

Turns out IQ beats random selection in the best of applications by less than 6%, typically <2%, as the computation of correlations have a flaw.

Background : “IQ” is a stale test meant to measure mental capacity but in fact mostly measures extreme unintelligence (learning difficulties), as well as, to a lesser extent (with a lot of noise), a form of intelligence, stripped of 2nd order effects — how good someone is at taking some type of exams designed by unsophisticated nerds. It is via negativa not via positiva. Designed for learning disabilities, and given that it is not too needed there (see argument further down), it ends up selecting for exam-takers, paper shufflers, obedient IYIs (intellectuals yet idiots), ill adapted for “real life”.
(The fact that it correlates with general incompetence makes the overall correlation look high, even when it is random, see Figures 1 and 2.) The concept is poorly thought out mathematically by the field (commits a severe flaw in correlation under fat tails; fails to properly deal with dimensionality; treats the mind as an instrument not a complex system), and seems to be promoted by

racists/eugenists, people bent on showing that some populations have inferior mental abilities based on IQ test=intelligence; those have been upset with me for suddenly robbing them of a “scientific” tool, as evidenced by the bitter reactions to the initial post on twitter/smear campaigns by such mountebanks as Charles Murray. (Something observed by the great Karl Popper, psychologists have a tendency to pathologize people who bust them by tagging them with some type of disorder, or personality flaw such as “childish” , “narcissist”, “egomaniac”, or something similar).
psychometrics peddlers looking for suckers (military, large corporations) buying the “this is the best measure in psychology” argument when it is not even technically a measure — it explains at best between 2 and 13% of the performance in some tasks (those tasks that are similar to the test itself)[see interpretation of .5 correlation further down], minus the data massaging and statistical cherrypicking by psychologists; it doesn’t satisfy the monotonicity and transitivity required to have a measure (at best it is a concave measure). No measure that fails 80–95% of the time should be part of “science” (nor should psychology — owing to its sinister track record — be part of science (rather scientism), but that’s another discussion).
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Dylan Carter
Dylan Carter

It is at the bottom an immoral measure that, while not working, can put people (and, worse, groups) in boxes for the rest of their lives.
There is no significant correlation (or any robust statistical association) between IQ and hard measures such as wealth. Most “achievements” linked to IQ are measured in circular stuff s.a. bureaucratic or academic success, things for test takers and salary earners in structured jobs that resemble the tests. Wealth may not mean success but it is the only “hard” number, not some discrete score of achievements. You can buy food with a $30, not with other “successes” s.a. rank, social prominence, or having had a selfie with the Queen.

An extension of the first flaw that shows how correlations are overestimated. Probability is hard.

Some argue that IQ measures intellectual capacity — real world results come from, in addition, “wisdom” or patience, or “conscientiousness”, or decision-making or something of the sort. No. It does not even measure intellectual capacity/mental powers.

If you want to detect how someone fares at a task, say loan sharking, tennis playing, or random matrix theory, make him/her do that task; we don’t need theoretical exams for a real world function by probability-challenged psychologists. Traders get it right away: hypothetical P/L from “simulated” paper strategies doesn’t count. Performance=actual. What goes in people’s head as a reaction to an image on a screen doesn’t exist (except via negativa).
IQ and wealth at low scale (outside the tail). Mostly Noise and 0 correlation above $40K. Psychologists responding to this piece do not realize that statistics is about not interpreting noise. From Zagorsky (2007)
There is no correlation IQ/Income above 45K (Assume 2007 $s). Even in situations showing presence of a correlation, you see MONSTROUS noise. Even at low IQ, and low income! Shows IQ is designed for subservient low-salary earners. From Zagorsky (2007). This truncates the big upside, so we not even seeing the effect of fat tails

Fat Tails If IQ is Gaussian by construction (well, almost) and if real world performance were, net, fat tailed (it is), then either the covariance between IQ and performance doesn’t exist or it is uninformational. It will show a finite number in sample but doesn’t exist statistically — and the metrics will overestimare the predictability. Another problem: when they say “black people are x standard deviations away”, they don’t know what they are talking about. Different populations have different variances, even different skewness and these comparisons require richer models. These are severe, severe mathematical flaws (a billion papers in psychometrics wouldn’t count if you have such a flaw). See the formal treatment in my next book.
Mensa members: typically high “IQ” losers in Birkenstocks.

But the “intelligence” in IQ is determined by academic psychologists (no geniuses) like the “paper trading” we mentioned above, via statistical constructs s.a. correlation that I show here (see Fig. 1) that they patently don’t understand. It does correlate to very negative performance (as it was initially designed to detect learning special needs) but then any measure would work there. A measure that works in the left tail not the right tail (IQ decorrelates as it goes higher) is problematic. We have gotten similar results since the famous Terman longitudinal study, even with massaged data for later studies. To get the point, consider that if someone has mental needs, there will be 100% correlation between performance and IQ tests. But the performance doesn’t correlate as well at higher levels, though, unaware of the effect of the nonlinearity, the psychologists will think it does.(The statistical spin, as a marketing argument, is that a person with an IQ of 70 cannot prove theorems, which is obvious for a measure of unintelligence — but they fail to reveal how many IQs of 150 are doing menial jobs).

It is a false comparison to claim that IQ “measures the hardware” rather than the software. It can measures some arbitrarily selected mental abilities (in a testing environment) believed to be useful. However, if you take a Popperian-Hayekian view on intelligence, you would realize that to measure future needs it you would need to know the mental skills needed in a future ecology, which requires predictability of said future ecology. It also requires the skills to make it to the future (hence the need for mental biases for survival).
The Best Map Fallacy (Technical Incerto)

Benjamin Sullivan
Benjamin Sullivan

Real Life: In academia there is no difference between academia and the real world; in the real world there is. 1) When someone asks you a question in the real world, you focus first on “why is he/she asking me that?”, which shifts you to the environment (see Fat Tony vs Dr John in The Black Swan) and detracts you from the problem at hand. Philosophers have known about that problem forever. Only suckers don’t have that instinct. Further, take the sequence {1,2,3,4,x}. What should x be? Only someone who is clueless about induction would answer 5 as if it were the only answer (see Goodman’s problem in a philosophy textbook or ask your closest Fat Tony) [Note: We can also apply here Wittgenstein’s rule-following problem, which states that any of an infinite number of functions is compatible with any finite sequence. Source: Paul Bogossian]. Not only clueless, but obedient enough to want to think in a certain way. 2) Real life never never offers crisp questions with crisp answers (most questions don’t have answers; perhaps the worst problem with IQ is that it seem to selects for people who don’t like to say “there is no answer, don’t waste time, find something else”.) 3) It takes a certain type of person to waste intelligent concentration on classroom/academic problems. These are lifeless bureaucrats who can muster sterile motivation. Some people can only focus on problems that are real, not fictional textbook ones (see the note below where I explain that I can only concentrate with real not fictional problems). 4) IQ doesn’t detect convexity of mistakes (by an argument similar to bias-variance you need to make a lot of small inconsequential mistake in order to avoid a large consequential one. See Antifragile and how any measure of “intelligence” w/o convexity is sterile edge.org/conversation/n…). To do well you must survive; survival requires some mental biases directing to some errors. 5) Fooled by Randomness: seeing shallow patterns in not a virtue — it leads to naive interventionism. Some psychologist wrote back to me: “IQ selects for pattern recognition, essential for functioning in modern society”. No. Not seeing patterns except when they are significant is a virtue in real life. 6) To do well in life you need depth and ability to select your own problems and to think independently.
This is no longer a regression. It is scientific fraud. A few random points from the same distribution can invert the slope of the regression. (From Jones and Schneider, 2010 attempting to make sense of the race-motivated notion of Average National IQ).
Upper bound: discount the massaging and correlation effects. Note that 50% correlation corresponds to 13% improvement over random picks. Figure from the highly unrigorous Intelligence: All That Matters by S. Ritchie.

National IQ is a Fraud. From engaging participants (who throw buzzwords at you), I realized that the concept has huge variance, enough to be uninformative. See graph. And note that the variance within populations is not used to draw conclusions (you average over functions, don’t use the funciton over averages) — a problem acute for tail contributions.
Notice the noise: the top 25% of janitors have higher IQ than the bottom 25% of college professors, even counting the circularity. The circularity bias shows most strikingly with MDs as medical schools require a higher SAT score.

Recall from Antifragile that if wealth were fat tailed, you’d need to focus on the tail minority (for which IQ has unpredictable payoff), never the average. Further it is leading to racist imbeciles who think that if a country has an IQ of 82 (assuming it is true not the result of lack of such training), it means politically that all the people there have an IQ of 82, hence let’s ban them from immigrating. As I said they don’t even get elementary statistical notions such as variance. Some people use National IQ as a basis for genetic differences: it doesn’t explain the sharp changes in Ireland and Croatia upon European integration, or, in the other direction, the difference between Israeli and U.S. Ashkenazis.

Additional Variance: Unlike measurements of height or wealth, which carry a tiny relative error, many people get yuugely different results for the same IQ test (I mean the same person!), up to 2 standard deviations as measured across people, higher than sampling error in the population itself! This additional source of sampling error weakens the effect by propagation of uncertainty way beyond its predictability when applied to the evaluation of a single individual. It also tells you that you as an individual are vastly more diverse than the crowd, at least with respect to that measure!

Henry Perez
Henry Perez

/leftypol/?

Cooper Cooper
Cooper Cooper

Biases in Research: If, as psychologists show (see figure) MDs and academics tend to have a higher “IQ” that is slightly informative (higher, but on a noisy average), it is largely because to get into schools you need to score on a test similar to “IQ”. The mere presence of such a filter increases the visible mean and lower the visible variance. Probability and statistics confuse fools.

Biases in Research: If, as psychologists show (see figure) MDs and academics tend to have a higher “IQ” that is slightly informative (higher, but on a noisy average), it is largely because to get into schools you need to score on a test similar to “IQ”. The mere presence of such a filter increases the visible mean and lower the visible variance. Probability and statistics confuse fools.

Functionary Quotient: If you renamed IQ , from “Intelligent Quotient” to FQ “Functionary Quotient” or SQ “Salaryperson Quotient”, then some of the stuff will be true. It measures best the ability to be a good slave confined to linear tasks. “IQ” is good for @davidgraeber’s “BS jobs”.

Metrification: If someone came up w/a numerical“Well Being Quotient” WBQ or “Sleep Quotient”, SQ, trying to mimic temperature or a physical quantity, you’d find it absurd. But put enough academics w/physics envy and race hatred on it and it will become an official measure.
Notes And Technical Notes

The argument by psychologists to make IQ useful is of the sort: who would you like to do brain surgery on you/who would you hire in your company/who would you recommend, someone with a 90 IQ or one with 130 is …academic. Well, you pick people on task-specific performance, which should include some filtering. In the real world you interview people from their CV (not from some IQ number sent to you as in a thought experiment), and, once you have their CV, the 62 IQ fellow is naturally eliminated. So the only think for which IQ can select, the mentaly disabled, is already weeded out in real life: he/she can’t have a degree in engineering or medicine. Which explains why IQ is unnecessary and using it is risky because you miss out on the Einsteins and Feynmans.
“IQ” is most predictive of performance in military training, with correlation~.5, (which is circular since hiring isn’t random and training is another test).
There are contradictory stories about whether IQ ceases to work past a threshold, since Terman’s longitudinal study of “geniuses”. What these researchers don’t get is these contradictions come from the fact that the variance of the IQ measure increases with IQ. Not a good thing.
The argument that “some races are better at running” hence [some inference about the brain] is stale: mental capacity is much more dimensional and not defined in the same way running 100 m dash is.
I have here no psychological references in this piece (except via negativa, taking their “best”): simply, the field is bust. So far ~ 50% of the research does notreplicate, and papers that do have weaker effect. Not counting the poor transfer to reality (psychological papers are ludic). How P values often — rather almost always — fraudulent: my paper arxiv.org/pdf/1603.07532…
The Flynn effect should warn us not just that IQ is somewhat environment dependent, but that it is at least partly circular.
Verbalism: Psychologists have a skin-deep statistical education & can’t translate something as trivial as “correlation” or “explained variance” into meaning, esp. under nonlinearities (see paper at the end).
The “best measure” charlatans: IQ is reminiscent of risk charlatans insisting on selling “value at risk”, VaR, and RiskMetrics saying “it’s the best measure”. That “best” measure, being unreliable blew them up many many times. Note the class of suckers for whom a bad measure is better than no measure across domains.
You can’t do statistics without probability.
Much of the stuff about IQ of physicists is suspicious, from self-reporting biases/selection in tests.
If you looked at Northern Europe from Ancient Babylon/Ancient Med/Egypt, you would have written the inhabitants off as losers who are devoid of potential… Then look at what happened after 1600. Be careful when you discuss populations.
The same people hold that IQ is heritable, that it determines success, that Asians have higher IQs than Caucasians, degrade Africans, then don’t realize that China for about a Century had one order of magnitude lower GDP than the West.

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Eli Bailey
Eli Bailey

Υeach whatever fag. Show us all those great scientific and philosophical breakthroughs made by shitskins.

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

whites do better on iq tests because they are more intelligent. whites arent more intelligent because they do better on iq tests. do you understand nuance?

Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

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Matthew Cruz
Matthew Cruz

Nice try, fag. IQ is one of the most highly replicable measurements psychology and science as a whole can produce. Anyone doubting IQ at this point has an agenda to protect niggers from being expelled from white nations as they should have been by now.

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Hudson Reyes
Hudson Reyes

immoral
The commie cries out as he gulags the high iq gentiles.
those have been upset with me
Literally who?

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

but the “intelligence” in IQ is determined by academic psychologists >(no geniuses)
Accidentally the only factual statement in this cluster fuck of mental aerobatics.

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

So what you are saying is kikes lie and and niggers suck because they suck in their original states and hence won’t ever achieve something see 10,000 years and no wheel.

When you figure out that IQ is a meme but genetics predisposition is very real give us a call again, especially when you figure out that the orginal argument thus still stands:Dumb niggers are dumb niggers because they are dumb niggers, jews do jewish tricks because they are jewish tricksters.

Can’t turn shit to gold no matter how much you coddle a nigger, it WILL chimpout under certain circumstances and prove the point.

Basically

Gavin Reed
Gavin Reed

The truth is the Peanut Butter is being generous

Logan White
Logan White

Wait, I shouldn't be using iq tests as a teaching tool?
Is this why Jamal is confused?

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

He's not saying anything about that. He's just saying IQ is a completely arbitrary and inaccurate bullshit metric, which it is. Can you even comprehend anything you dumb nigger?

Luis Torres
Luis Torres

I wonder if op is of the lysenkoism school of thought or the big black nubian queen variety.

Bentley Cruz
Bentley Cruz

IQ tests are not teaching tools, they are human brain processing benchmarks.

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

completely arbitrary

No it isn't. It measures the ability to think abstractly and is highly predictive and replicable. Go suck start a shotgun, nigger lover.

John King
John King

Btw in my country there's no IQ evaluation during educational courses but (STEM) academics constistently score higher than the plebs when volunteering.

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

The word racist is used unironically in the OP.

Jack Taylor
Jack Taylor

Thanks, for the correction, sweetie.
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Michael Jenkins
Michael Jenkins

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Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

Here's Molymeme completely and utterly dismantling that entire article: youtube.com/watch?v=nCI0luCwM_Q

Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

All leftards are ever since Darwin proved egalitarianism to be anti-naturalistic bullshit.

Lincoln Miller
Lincoln Miller

yOU're parroting

You would be a good bureaucrat

you score well on iq tests, but have zero imagination or creativity

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

It's actually pretty ebin how he managed to write all that and basically say nothing of substance. Even better is the fact that some parts of his dumb treatise actually reinforces the notion that, like you said, niggers are dumb because they are niggers, for example.

Kayden Evans
Kayden Evans

Unlike the OP's author that made an entire thesis completely out of her ass.

Benjamin Reed
Benjamin Reed

IQ and imagination/creativity is invertly proportional
I guess that's why niggers are the most creative and invent new way to try and steal things (and fail)
Or just try to replicate helicopters/airplanes and still fail.

Sebastian Wilson
Sebastian Wilson

pretty ebin
You are easily impressed, this is the average leftard's weekly mental diarrhea.

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

Don't successful artists score high of the IQ test? Mmmm.

John Hall
John Hall

on

Nathan Rogers
Nathan Rogers

Stefan Basil Molyneux ( is a Canadian podcaster and YouTuber who promotes scientific racism and white supremacist views.Molyneux, a self-published author, usually speaks on the topics of anarcho-capitalism, politics, relationships, race and intelligence, multiculturalism, libertarianism, anti-feminism,[8] and familial relationships.

A supporter of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, he has been described as alt-right by Politico and The Washington Post, and far-right and right-wing

According to Steven Hassan, a mental health counselor with experience on cults, "Partly what's going on with the people on the Internet who are indoctrinated, they spend lots of hours on the computer. Videos can have them up all night for several nights in a row. Molyneux knows how to talk like he knows what he's talking about, despite very little academic research. He cites this and cites that, and presents it as the whole truth. It dismantles people's sense of self and replaces it with his sense of confidence about how to fix the world

In short, this guy is an intelligent person with no background in the subject that he is talking about

Oliver Jackson
Oliver Jackson

reddit spacing
text wall
marxist bullshit
get fucked

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Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Except it isn't, it a reproducible measure of pattern matching ability both for the individual and for a large demographic. The mean IQ of a population is the factor that correlates best with their economic productivity as a whole, except for race which includes behaviors which effect productivity beyond pattern matching.

It has been pointed out that the mean IQ of kikes is unkown and probably below that of whites due to a lack of sufficient sample sizes and biased sampling methodologies. However it should be noted that after a certain point and individuals IQ does not correlate with individual income as high IQ individuals are likely to enter professions in which they collect and interpolate new data or contribute to the creation of new processes but do not pursue the lurcrative profession of buying and selling the fruits of those processes nor are they involved in the nepotism of kikes who control those system for the most part.

Most whites who are not libshits have a predisposition towards what one could consider honest productive work and avoid work which produces no physical product, to their determent in this current society.

But IQ itself is real, measurable, and most importantly predictive within limits. lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-bell-curve.pdf

Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

It's coming, don't worry.

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes… will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. The Descent of Man, 2nd ed., New York: A.L. Burt Co., 1874, p. 178

Xavier Murphy
Xavier Murphy

Do you get paid to shill here, or are you stupid enough to think we would be convinced by your pseudoscience liberal horseshit?

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Austin Cook
Austin Cook

Nice appeal to (((.authority))), Tyrone.

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

In short, this guy is an intelligent person with no background in the subject that he is talking about
Yep, this is the power of having a high iq vs. stale lefty educational institutions

Wyatt Moore
Wyatt Moore

flooded
Damn.
IQ IS MEASUREMENT OF PATTERN RECOGNITION
EQ is a measurement of empathy.
Only European test high on both.

Robert Gonzalez
Robert Gonzalez

Nassim Nicholas Taleb (/ˈtɑːləb/; Arabic: ‎, alternatively Nessim or Nissim; born 1960) is a Lebanese–American (of Antiochian Greek descent) essayist, scholar, statistician, and former trader and risk analyst,[1] whose work focuses on problems of randomness, probability, and uncertainty. His 2007 book The Black Swan has been described by The Sunday Times as one of the twelve most influential books since World War II.[2]

Taleb is an author and has been a professor at several universities, serving as a Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at the New York University Tandon School of Engineering since September 2008.[3][4][5][6][7] He has been co-editor-in-chief of the academic journal Risk and Decision Analysis since September 2014. He has also been a practitioner of mathematical finance, a hedge fund manager, and a derivatives trader, and is currently listed as a scientific adviser at Universa Investments.[8]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb

Let's see

The blogger or the Highly respected academist?

Whom shall I pay attention too?

Parker Young
Parker Young

Molyneux is a bitch, he gets by cribbing the work of others including those of use here. However as somebody with a PhD in Geology I will say that credentialism is bullshit pushed by the incompetent to protect their job security and social status. All that matters is making predictive models which are reflective of the real phenomenon being observed as much as is possible. IQ is predictive, it is the single biggest factor that predicts what you maximum intellectual capabilities might be within a field you display a talent for. It is not the only factor but it is the one which correlates best with capacity for pattern matching which is key in both constructing new patterns(art) or examining existing patterns(science).

Jason Hill
Jason Hill

Also, your text i structured like a dumb nigger bot.
FAIL
t. 30yo boomer

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones

Can you please provide an argument?

Gavin Carter
Gavin Carter

So a wife beating sandniggers?

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

a PhD in Geology?
HAHA…hee, no wonder he appeals to people with rocks in their heads

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

You are a woman, or a VERY feminine "man".

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

appeals to authority again

Yup, it's a leftynigger.

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

Whomever produces a predictive model. Also Molybux doesn't make models he just parrots the data of others and e-begs. You are attacking a strawman. How about the authors of the Bell Curve whose models remain predictive despite 30 years of concerted attempts to debunk them.

Kayden Smith
Kayden Smith

Le Argumenty spaghettaanti

Angel Cruz
Angel Cruz

To appeal to absurdity is to cede the argument.

Lucas Edwards
Lucas Edwards

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Kek.

To quote the top biologist/geneticist currently at Harvard David Reich

I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”
Groundbreaking advances in DNA sequencing technology have been made over the last two decades. These advances enable us to measure with exquisite accuracy what fraction of an individual’s genetic ancestry traces back to, say, West Africa 500 years ago — before the mixing in the Americas of the West African and European gene pools that were almost completely isolated for the last 70,000 years. With the help of these tools, we are learning that while race may be a social construct, differences in genetic ancestry that happen to correlate to many of today’s racial constructs are real.
Recent genetic studies have demonstrated differences across populations not just in the genetic determinants of simple traits such as skin color, but also in more complex traits like bodily dimensions and susceptibility to diseases. For example, we now know that genetic factors help explain why northern Europeans are taller on average than southern Europeans, why multiple sclerosis is more common in European-Americans than in African-Americans, and why the reverse is true for end-stage kidney disease.

nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

He already admitted it. The jig is up.
I am worried that well-meaning people who deny the possibility of substantial biological differences among human populations are digging themselves into an indefensible position, one that will not survive the onslaught of science.

Nolan Gonzalez
Nolan Gonzalez

Whom shall I pay attention too?

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Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

we're now getting copy-pasta threads from lelypol
the mods leave this shit on the board

Guess we know who the new mods are. XD

Matthew Jenkins
Matthew Jenkins

Can you please provide an argument
The argument is who do you listen to on say, climate change?
global warming
The 2 guys with backgrounds in fabric making

or the 98 guys with degrees in geology, climatology etc?

You chose the blogger(he may have some valid views on climate change, but IQ?…It's just his ignorant opinion)

Leo Rogers
Leo Rogers

Show me a model that predicts niggers can sustain a post-industrial civilization and I while show you a predictive model that is wrong. Also every climatological model made by liberal academics in the last 4 decades.

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

The key to high intelligence is to regularly gape.

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

The blogger or the Highly respected academist?
<[*accreditationism intensifies*]
<[*ignorance of sociopolitical climes intensifies*]

Why stop there bro?
Psychology is basically a total fraud, and psychiatry to a large extent too.

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Jaxson Adams
Jaxson Adams

He was agood biochemist in his day

This is not his field

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

The argument is who do you listen to on say, climate change?
<or the 98 guys with degrees in geology, climatology etc?
Show me the evidence of such being the case. ;D
<inb4 "American Medical Association supports climate change prevention!"

Nathaniel Wilson
Nathaniel Wilson

Who indeed.

Jordan Morris
Jordan Morris

Psychology is basically a total fraud
Mostly, along with IQ

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

mfw you started mumbling about MUH global warming the very moment before I compared your tantrum to climate change eschatology

Nicholas Diaz
Nicholas Diaz

IQ is largely a pseudoscientific swindle
Can confirm
t. retard with 140 iq

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Jeremiah Carter
Jeremiah Carter

How is it an ignorant opinion? Are the relevant fact locked up in your Arabs vault?

David Cook
David Cook

Yeah, his field requires a much greater depth of knowledge and understanding of what we're talking about here than the average psychologist espouses, let alone some loser who believes in racial equality and anthropic climate shift. lel.

So then why are you focusing on IQ? Why not attack psychology as a whole?
Could it be because you have a political ideology that demands you attack IQ studies but not other things in psychology which your political ideology relies upon being true?

Luke White
Luke White

Just because Molyneaux cant understand Taleb, he dismisses him as a sophist? I expected better from Stefan. He's become a Bill Maher. He's been raging against SJWs for so long just as Bill Maher kept raging against religious dolts, that now he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Unfortunately it is a small room.

Aaron Lopez
Aaron Lopez

This is the funniest thing too. They'll say whites score well on IQ but not on EQ and yet it turns out whites score highest on EQ, period. Meanwhile, blacks score the lowest not just on IQ but EQ, they are a race of fucking psychos go watch the videos of niggers in courts zero empathy for the victims not even their families of the criminal they even blame the victim they murdered, raped, on so on niggers have no souls.

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

Got his ass kicked now wants to talk about climate change while appealing to authority and false le 97% claims. What a faggot. Reported

As summarized in this useful chart from Strenze (2015), meta-analyses of hundreds of studies have demonstrated that IQ is predictive of life success across many domains.
ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/nassim-taleb-on-iq/

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Gabriel Long
Gabriel Long

reported
Bro, its a mod who made this thread.
Get with the times.

Adrian Baker
Adrian Baker

Taleb, a sand nigger whose expertise is in statistics and risk management, not psychology or genetics, is a valuable authority on IQ studies
a geneticist and chemist is not
<because the latter disagrees with me

No, seriously, go kill yourself already, you tranny faggot.

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James Cook
James Cook

the guy who discovered the genetic code is not the one to talk about hereditarity
What a stupid nigger you are.

Kevin Sanchez
Kevin Sanchez

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Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

You won't win in a game of appeals of authority considering the current state of the scientific community but here's something that just about sums it up

It was a triumphant moment for the young scientist. He was up for tenure and his research was being featured in back-to-back articles in the country's most prestigious science journal. Yet today, Dr. Lahn says he is moving away from the research. "It's getting too controversial," he says.

What Dr. Lahn told his audience was that genetic changes over the past several thousand years might be linked to brain size and intelligence. He flashed maps that showed the changes had taken hold and spread widely in Europe, Asia and the Americas, but weren't common in sub-Saharan Africa.

Yet Dr. Lahn, who left China after participating in prodemocracy protests, says intellectual "police" in the U.S. make such questions difficult to pursue.

online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115040765329081636-T5DQ4jvnwqOdVvsP_XSVG_lvgik_20060628.html?mod=blogs

It's over.

Adrian Walker
Adrian Walker

Reported
Tattlers have an emotional IQ of a 10 yr old

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

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Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

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Nathaniel Young
Nathaniel Young

Rote shill for tHAB Highland Ability Battery.

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Camden Moore
Camden Moore

there is no test which seeks to find the logical conclusion of a thought chain. this is the true measure of intelligence. understanding of natural laws and ability to surmise what will happen or has happened based on what is true about the questioning statement.

how are an ingroups logically sound views changed by an outgroup?
A) violence
B) argument
C) bribery
D) i literally cant think of a d that anybody but a nigger would choose

the correct answer is a. you cant change someones views that are based on verifiable objective truth, you have to kill them or reduce their ability to comprehend objectivity. a modern test would include that last sentence in the A) answer section.

no tests that force the taker to follow thought chains to their logical end exist. this is because academia is subverted by relativists who push visual pattern recognition as the highest form of intelligence instead of tests that force the takers to think a question through. the way multiple choice questions are formed either provides the conclusion in the answer so your own ability to come to the conclusion isnt truly tested or it is basic memory tests that require no higher thought, only digging into your memory. nobody is taught how to think.

Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

For the past century, psychologists have recorded racial differences in intelligence test scores showing that Asians score higher than Whites who in turn score higher than Blacks. The causes of these intelligence differences have been heavily debated.

One challenge often put to the so-called “hereditarians,” those who say that the gap is significantly caused by genetics, is to name the specific genes which make some races smarter than others. Until recently, this has been impossible due to technological limitations and so hereditarians have relied on less direct evidence when making their case. However, in recent years, new research has come out which has pinpointed several genes that are probably involved in racial intelligence differences. This post will describe this research and explain why what has been found thus far provides powerful evidence for the hereditarian viewpoint.

The Genes

The research comes from 3 papers which looked at how 14 alleles (gene variants) which were previously associated with intelligence, or a proxy for intelligence, vary by race (Piffer 2013), (Piffer 2014), (Piffer and Kirkeggard 2014). In a sample of 101,069 10 of these 14 alleles were each found to predict higher than average educational attainment (Rietveld et al. 2013). The predictive ability of each allele was then retested again across 12 samples totaling 25,290 people. All 10 alleles were found to be associated with intelligence in multiple samples, though the the associations were not always statistically significant. Importantly, the samples consisted of only white people, which means that no genes arbitrarily associated with race will be falsely thought to associate with education just because race does. What were the alleles associated with biologically?

These genes were only shown to directly associate with education, but there is good reason to think that they predict intelligence as well. For one thing, intelligence highly correlates with education. Secondly, previous studies that have sought out alleles associated with education have found that they predict intelligence test scores even better than they do education.

The other four alleles come from more varied sources. The first is a version of the NPTN gene, which is involved in how the brain changes itself (neural outgrowth and synaptic plasticity). A particular allele of this gene has previously been found to predict lower IQ scores and less cortical thickness. The second allele comes from the FNB1L gene and has been associated with high intelligence across multiple studies. The third allele is a version of the CHRM2 gene and has been associated with high intelligence in 4 separate studies. Finally, in a meta-analysis of 77 previous studies, a version of the APOE4 gene has been found to predict better memory, perceptual speed, and general cognitive functioning. Each of the studies involving these four genes used different sets of controls and statistical adjustments. Because they have been found to associate with intelligence so consistently, a causal relationship between the allele and intelligence is likely.

The Databases

Data on the frequency of each allele across different racial populations was taken from three databses: ALFRED, HapMap, and 1000 Genomes. Each of these databases collects genetic data taken from samples all over the world. Combined, they have genetic samples from well over 100 distinct populations. They are highly reputable, and having access to three different databases allows these findings to be replicated multiple times. (The first ten alleles were tested across all three databases while the other set of four were only tested across ALFRED and 1000 Genomes.)

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

The Results

The 14 alleles were found to be patterned such that, based on this genetic data alone, Asians would be predicted to have the highest IQs followed by Whites and ending with Blacks.
These differences were statistically significant and were replicated across all three databases.
More extraordinary was the finding that all 14 alleles differed between Blacks and Whites in a way that would predict that Blacks would be less intelligent.

This result strongly suggests that the hereditarian viewpoint is the correct one. The egalitarian viewpoint would predict that each allele should have, on average, a 50% probability of existing in a greater frequency among either Blacks or Whites.
Therefore the probability of the first 14 alleles examined all favoring Whites would be a mere 1 in 16,284.
Obviously, the probability of this happening under the hereditarian model is much higher.

Given the logic of science, this clearly suggests that the hereditarian viewpoint should be favored: we have two competing hypotheses one of which would make an outcome extremely unlikely and the other which would make it probable. We have found that said outcome has materialized and, on this basis, can declare one hypothesis, egalitarianism, highly unlikely; and the other hypothesis, hereditarianism, probable.

Andrew Nguyen
Andrew Nguyen

You're clearly not from here
You immediately resort to personal attacks
You resort to personal attacks using the material you have introduced and have yet to persuade your audience of

I'm going to guess you do *not* score well on IQ tests. I'm sure you're amazingly imaginative and creative, though!

Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore

Man you can’t say shit like this here. Half the people who post here are always talking shit about how high their iqs are.

I mean, it’s been pretty widely known for like fifty years that it matters a whole lot more when you’re school-aged than when you’re an adult. But that hasn’t stopped it from becoming the official penis length of Zig Forums.

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

Pretty much this.

Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

can't understand random sandniggers
Nor everyone can be adept at Quran theology and Arabic.

Andrew Rivera
Andrew Rivera

Do all leftists spend their lives in a kind of mental delinquency?

William Reed
William Reed

Man you can't IP hop like this here. Half the posts in this thread are the same nigger on a proxy.

I mean, its been widely known for like fifty years that Whites demonstrate a genetically-linked cognitive advantage over most non-White racial clades. That that hasn't stopped non-Whites and philosemites from desperately trying to find an excuse for the obvious state of affairs on our planet which goes against their political ideals.

Ian Green
Ian Green

And shills have the generalized IQ of an Ashkenazi Jewish 5 year old with Tay Sachs.
Now go dilate.

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

What does it mean to be a leftist in the modern era if not to be a mental delinquent?

Brandon Garcia
Brandon Garcia

Isn't that because you peak in your teen years?
Past 30 and you shouldn't be alive, that's my opinion.

Joshua James
Joshua James

Strange, see

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

shilling against molyneux
You really have no idea where you've wandered into, huh?

Attempts to smear Molyneux in this post alone:
support Dogald Rump
unthinkable!
described as alt-right
gasp!
by politico and washington post
our most trustworthy of friends! We are sure to listen to you now, foreigner!
described as far-right and right-wing
tiredpepe.jpg

Intelligence can never reveal anything about the world, goy, listen only to my appeals to authority! You must have a PhD in everything you wish to discuss!

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

Truth. I did bad in school despite testing at 156 an IQ outlier by definition, which ironically makes me an example of a large part of talebs criticism.
But I have 149 level pattern recog though LOL

Logan Reyes
Logan Reyes

CHECK'd

That's just the thing isn't it? Most things in psychology cannot be replicated by science yet IQ always is. Mainstream science now even accepts that IQ is highly inheritable.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

IQ garnered attention because it has such a high correlation with success, even more than being born wealthy. Decades of research has yielded incredible results to the frustration of the Lysenkoists.

Ayden Anderson
Ayden Anderson

It's a Prussian model utility

John Morgan
John Morgan

Your argument is an appeal to authority?

Jace Phillips
Jace Phillips

Most things in psychology cannot be replicated by science yet IQ always is. Mainstream science now even accepts that IQ is highly inheritable.
What gets me is that this faggot is focusing ONLY on IQ.
Why not attack the rest of psychology?
Why not attack the things that the political ideology of someone motivated to attack IQ - and it almost-always is political ideological motivation, not scientific curiousity (which is racist and if you want to investigate racial differences in cognitive ability you must be a fucking NAHTZEE!) - would typically use to support their claim?

Because this thread isn't about scientific curiousity, its about attempting to BTFO DA NAHTZEES and PUNCH A NAHTZEE NARRATIVE without even the vaguest sense of awareness of how obvious the intent is in such efforts.

Its like a communist holding up a poll showing that 14,000 people - out of a population of 1 billion people - say they were better off under communism, and then refusing to acknowledge similarly-scaled polls showing Africans and other third-world non-Whites saying the same about White colonial rule.

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

Taleb is correct. Read his works to understand his statistical argument (especially fat tail distributions). Now, that does not excuse him being impolite to people who disagree with him, but he has never been known for his tact, that's for sure. My own experience with highly intelligent people who achieve very little (at least, intellectually, professionally, or financially, say) seems to corroborate his thesis, although granted, that's circumstantial and does not prove anything in itself. As far as trying to impute any motive to his position other than intellectual integrity, good luck with that, and one thing it's for sure, it's NOT political correctness. The man is as politically incorrect as they come.

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

implies molyneux is stupid
feminine tactic of expectations
molyneux=bill maher

This might be the least persuasive stuff I've ever read. I might keep it around as an example of exactly how you *don't* persuade.

Brandon Williams
Brandon Williams

only the IQs I like exist

Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

it’s been pretty widely known for like fifty years that it matters a whole lot more when you’re school-aged than when you’re an adult

False.

The heritability of intelligence increases from about 20% in infancy to perhaps 80% in adulthood.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/

Chase Perry
Chase Perry

You must be the most intelligent stupid nigger in existence then.

Talking about pattern recognition btw articles like yours was what red piled from arace denialist leftards into a full blown racial supremacist. Since you rely on sandniggers do your thinking for you I'd suggest you give your taqiyya some practice instead one posing yourpowerlevel so easily.

Camden Wright
Camden Wright

Fucking tablet posting.

Samuel James
Samuel James

How could it not be?
Let's be honest here: Most arguments - especially from the modern left - are nothing but such appeals to authority, because the people making the argument are scientifically illiterate.

I have a degree in biology and chemistry, equating to a degree in biochemistry to boot as the consequence of my choices during education, and that is what made me into a racist, "hate" having nothing to do with it.
I look around at these kinds of discussions, and what i see, overwhelmingly, is people who barely passed their high school bio class - let alone a college course on the subject beyond the 100's level - arguing over which source is more legit as far as claims of biological factors in play.
Its just rather silly IMHO, especially on a topic like this one, the argument being made having been motivated by nothing more political ideology, nothing more than cognitive dissonance on behalf of a racial egalitarian who can't come to terms with the blatant and ubiquitous evidence against racial egalitarianism.

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

leaps on the opportunity to talk about himself
I have a high IQ
LOL

hoo boy

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

You forgot
claims to have an IQ over 140 without proof on an anonymous image board
No high-IQ person would do this, because they'd be cognizant enough of the fact that anecdotal claims, especially in such a context, would be discarded out of hand AS THEY SHOULD BE.

Caleb Gray
Caleb Gray

Agreed, does Stefan publishes papers or even use Wolfram Mathematica to prove his facts like Nassim? Maybe his high iq could help him learn quickly about those tools… or dismiss them all by saying it is bad data and just ugly plot diagrams 😂

implies molyneux is stupid

No. I said he's an intelligent man

And he affirms Nassim's ideas

Having an High 'IQ' (by western testing standards) doesn't confer insight or wisdom

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

Why is molykike saying Charles Murray is wrong on immigration?

Angel Butler
Angel Butler

Modern leftist philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative. It is true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined. But it is obvious that modern leftist philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality. They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs. For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior). The leftist’s feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests. Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual’s ability or lack of it. Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

a quotation from wikipedia
an appeal to authority

Connor Evans
Connor Evans

despite testing at 156

Or as it is more commonly known

<I did an online IQ test that gave me a result of 156 and then asked me to send them my credit card info for a formal letter from the test giver

Carson Long
Carson Long

Agreed
Stop talking to yourself friend. Its really blatant and low-class.

Luke Russell
Luke Russell

I did well on the tests, but am a failure by Western standards

I sit in my ashram and obsreve

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

No you didn't.

Ian Adams
Ian Adams

I am a high functioning schizoaffective

Grayson Reyes
Grayson Reyes

No you aren't.

Stop talking to your proxies and stop making shit threads you fucking loser.

William Jackson
William Jackson

Fuck it, op is right. Only being white matters. Molykike, fuck u.

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

"molyneux can't understand taleb"
this totally isn't a snide feminine insult tactic

Adam Brooks
Adam Brooks

Fuck it, op is right.
No he isn't.
Only being white matters.
But you are.

I don't care if a White person is high or low IQ, they are my people, that's why I care about them. I have a duty to protect them and advocate for the interests.
The fact that they just so happen to be cognitively advantaged relative to most modern hominids is just icing on the cake.

Charles Reed
Charles Reed

Do those Nazi-named mathematics somehow predict that shitskins don't suck at anything that requires mental effort and intellectual capacity? Because if they do I must point out they don't seem like a very empirically sound model.

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

Egalitarian creationists
in the 21st century

LMAO

Lincoln Martin
Lincoln Martin

JUST ADMIT IT

THE SAND NIGGER'S MATERIAL IS OVER EVERYONE'S HEAD HERE

Matthew Cook
Matthew Cook

bumping a shit lelypol thread
in the Current Year +4

KEK

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

but am a failure by Western standards
I am pretty certain you'd be a failure even by ghetto-Australian aboriginal standards (heck even by amoeba standards), cuckoldry is the definition of failure based on objective Darwinian facts.

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Just admit it, you're the same faggot who spams "WHITE NATIONALISTS NEED TO DIE" across multiple proxies every day.

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

The fact that they just so happen to be cognitively advantaged
BUT YOU BELONG TO A SUBSET of the less cognitively advantaged within my group user, and as a high IQ aryan, I cannot allow you to taint the DNA pool

I shall have to make dune bunnies like the esteemed Nassim honoraryns, so as to remove the damage done by your ancestors

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

y-y-y-y-you're dum!
Stick to the red-text spamming, loser.

Justin Rodriguez
Justin Rodriguez

Don't worry, brother, I will fall on my dick sword for the white race.

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

I will fall on my dick sword
The idea is to make a White girl fall on that instead.
Maybe that's where you've been having trouble.

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

You might had been part of the gene pool if you had any reproductive capacity, and prepping mehmet's tiny Turkic penis for your sister doesn't count as one.

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

Mehmet prefers his own sister, thank you very much.

Angel Collins
Angel Collins

I doubt it and it's funny the desperation OP is in to derail and destroy his thread after being thoroughly BTFO. He even constantly ignores all the posts destroying him throughout the thread.

Dominic Rogers
Dominic Rogers

Attempts to smear Molyneux in this post alone
Never heard of him til now

I listened to 20 min of his rebuttal on youtube and know when someone is over their head

As far as this Nassim Nicholas Taleb fellow goes, never heard of him also, but I definitely will be reading more of him

Interesting person

Lucas Edwards
Lucas Edwards

I stand corrected.

Xavier Stewart
Xavier Stewart

As far as this Nassim Nicholas Taleb fellow goes, never heard of him also, but I definitely will be reading more of him
Reported as potential ISIS recruit.

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

You doubt what?

and this faggot just keeps bumping his shit thread even after being destroyed
Why do we even have moderators here? What's the point?
So they can come in and removed BLACKED spam to maintain their optics, while making these awful awful awful threads and only removing them when its totally beyond hope of salvation?

Its all so tiresome.

Brayden Jones
Brayden Jones

Also
know when someone is over their head
<doesn't realize he's in over his head
The irony is overwhelmingly hilarious.

Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

non-sequitur, dissembles, demures
You're dismissed

Owen Cooper
Owen Cooper

My advice to you is not to reply anymore to my comments

Even though you are saging, I reply with a bump

Now a statistical mathematician of high repute such as this Nassim Nicholas Taleb fellow would tell you that this is the way o go about killing this thread

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

Nigger, you are the paramount of cringe.
Surrender your moderator privileges and stream your own suicide. That's my advice to you.

Sebastian Peterson
Sebastian Peterson

I am in the mood for a little fun though.

Ryder Reyes
Ryder Reyes

biometric measurements on potato crops by several highly certified agronomists did not find any correlation between creativity and IQ therefore IQ is wrong, races are equal and ebul colonialist whitey is solely responsible for niggers not being able to advance past the early Iron Age for 30000 years before any contact with suprasaharan populations
Practically the OP.

John Morales
John Morales

Yeah, we did the discussion bit. I'd say a little fun is fair game at this point.

On that note, lets play a game.
Something about scissors… And paper…

Jacob Jenkins
Jacob Jenkins

According to Steven Hassan, a mental health counselor with experience on cults, "'Partly what's going on with the people on the Internet who are indoctrinated, they spend lots of hours on the computer. Videos can have them up all night for several nights in a row'''. Molyneux knows how to talk like he knows what he's talking about, despite very little academic research. He cites this and cites that, and presents it as the whole truth. It dismantles people's sense of self and replaces it with his sense of confidence about how to fix the world

Now I bid you adieu since I have a life beyond here and my particular political bent and it's not good for one's mental health

I suggest you do the same user

Joseph Howard
Joseph Howard

he thinks i care about molyjew
lel you really are lost

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

And rock?

Joshua Sanchez
Joshua Sanchez

French won't make you sound like any more of a pretentious stupid faggot than you already are, OP.

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

Yes, and rock. Just like the old days.

Modern roaches require modern solutions.

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

He's commenting on a simple correlation between blacks making anything and blacks much lower i.q.

You see this is something that non-autists can do. They can understand the world around them without the need for complex and autistic papers to tell them what to think.

Its simple to see that the base the base iq of a community correlates to the quality of life, politics, art and science within a community.

I've taken iq tests and they are simply pattern recognition. I do think the scientists in Africa have made a large oversight in regards to iq testing. They have not taken into consideration the extreme laziness of the African, and have not incentivized getting a higher score on the test.

Connor James
Connor James

Hah, I like the new Tor setup. No wonder I haven't seen as many Tor shitposts as of late.

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

IQ is used to prove massive genetic differences between the races, even factoring in cheaters
suddenly it's "disproven"
(((natural and organic)))

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

Reminder that OP is mod posting kike
MOD = KIKE

Elijah Murphy
Elijah Murphy

the problem is they just haven't been incentivized!
Seems legit.

bumping the thread
<(((natural and organic)))

Jordan Jenkins
Jordan Jenkins

Worst jew in months
Even oven is too good for you

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

No amount of laziness and cultural retardery can explain niggers' complete inability to discover anything more than a spade for the whole span of their existence as a race in of the most resource abundant places of earth. Asians being underachieving failures compared to the post glacial shithole Europe was could have been a point of valid criticism on the concept of IQ, shitskinned Southern Hemisphere 1200ccm-brained subhumans regardless of their wider genetic classification serve as the most triumphant verification of IQ as the main predictive factor of intellect, success and creativity.

In either case Whites do what we do best:
WINNING

Ethan Howard
Ethan Howard

Meh, its no fun if you don't struggle a bit.
This game is boring me now. Its all rock and no scissorers.
I'm gonna go find someone else to play with.

Actually, fuck that, I'm gonna go grill some chicken and enjoy the afternoon. Arguing with people who don't believe in heritability really boosts the appetite.

Hunter Parker
Hunter Parker

Nassim Nicholas Taleb fellow goes, never heard of him also, but I definitely will be reading more of him
LOL the kike faggot nigger OP posted Taleb data in the OP but has "never heard of him"

Waste of time/space/air nigger confirmed

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Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

have not incentivized getting a higher score on the test.
user is a true outside the box creative irrespective of IQ thinker!
Yea, getting a high score in Africa?

Leads to Academia?

Now, some reefer, and pussy

Do well on this test my niggers and get weed and pussy

Study hard and come back every month and take another test and get more weed and pussy correlating to yor score…say, my IQ would jump ith this kind of incentive and I'm 56% white!

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

so 2 faggots have shit the entire thread because they dont want us discussing a superior way to judge intelligence. theyre so stupid they think op is a shill when even if iq is disregarded as the judge for intelligence, then whites would still be better at recognizing visual patterns proving racial cognitive function is not equal. the 2 assfucked fags are either literally stupid for not understanding the previous or kikes.

Logan Howard
Logan Howard

Nigger, OP is a shill, and a bad one.
And by all indications, so are you.
Because you are OP on another IP.

How could I have deduced this?

Gabriel Barnes
Gabriel Barnes

Oh go to bed roach.

Angel Reed
Angel Reed

I never heard of him either, but I read the entire post and even hat to search for alot of the meaning the academic and field specific terms

Interesting

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

IQ nationalists miss the point. East Asians are still bad to mix with Whites and to live among Whites even though they can test well on IQ tests. East Asians have high IQ but they don't give a fuck about the environment or preserving animal life. The Japanese are the least bad in basically all areas compared to the rest of the East Asian's bad behavior but, they are still not as good as Whites

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Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

now you want to reply to my posts, of course with no logical rebuttal of any points. every single time. now dont greentext anything you disagree with and respond with any points that i could then respond to. just call people kikes.

Adrian Moore
Adrian Moore

Turns out IQ beats random selection in the best of applications by less than 6%, typically <2%, as the computation of correlations have a flaw.

Because intelligence isn't perfectly correlated with work performance; work performance depends on other factors as well (work ethic, in particular).

Joshua Stewart
Joshua Stewart

ARE YOU A JEDI MASTER PATTERN recognizing statistical analysis?

you scare me

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

Interesting
Interesting

You're so bad at this.

of course with no logical rebuttal of any point
Nigger, OP is a shill, and a bad one.
And by all indications, so are you.

We already responded to OP's - your - shit argument, and destroyed it.
Now you're just IP-hopping to try to keep it going while whining about us "just calling people kikes".
Bad faith actors deserve no courtesy, but you got some all the same, and yet its never enough.

Easton Roberts
Easton Roberts

I am.
And I should.

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Kevin Garcia
Kevin Garcia

Well at least OP worked on my advice to improve his taqiyya. Still sad tho.

Jaxson Thomas
Jaxson Thomas

Whats sad is that these are the faggots in charge of the board.
Betcha soon they'll resort to BLACKED spam.

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

135 IQ here Mensa tested. I can assure you that IQ is indeed mostly a crock of shit.

Most Mensa types are proto-redditors and get high off their own farts, seemingly too stupid to comprehend how stupid they really are. And believe me, the IQ has little to do with your redpill potential, as many people with high IQ are extremely liberal and closed-minded, which means they are unable to recognize the basic patterns that go throughout our society. It doesn't take a genius to know that blacks are prone to violence and are fairly stupid.

It's all a load of presumptuous nonsense. Some of the smartest people I've ever met wouldn't do well on an IQ test. And finally, ask yourself why (((they))) love IQ tests? Aside from their supposed 115 Ashkenazi scores. Anything a Jew supports, let alone controls, should not be trusted.

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

TL;DGAF
IQ has been repeatedly shown to be a sound measurement of a variety of outcomes. Apart from that, just look around you.
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
NIGGERS
Fucking jews never take a rest do they

Thomas Hughes
Thomas Hughes

135 IQ here Mensa tested

Adrian Allen
Adrian Allen

We already responded to OP's - your - shit argument, and destroyed it.
now you want to reply to my posts, of course with no logical rebuttal of any points.
This lebonese Mathematician.s post wasn't meant for a layman

We may be able to understand it by studying it, and it needs to be understood if it's to be refuted properly

The Molyneux guy just attacked it without any real refutation

Matthew Lewis
Matthew Lewis

You have to give them though that by their racial average they are pretty outstanding, dare say even reaching the two-digits region.

John James
John James

IQ tests aren't that great. I don't care about IQ tests. East Asians score well on IQ tests but, I still don't want to live with them or mix with them. Most of this board would have no trouble with discussing the validity of IQ measuring intelligence but, when the faggot OP's personal mission is to make us not racist then he will be rejected even if there is maybe a tiny bit of truth in what he's saying.

I never needed IQ tests to show me that niggers, spics, australoids, semites, poos and east asians are on a spectrum ranging from subhuman abominations to half retarded and autistic and that I don't want to mix with them and that they are bad to live around en masse

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Jordan Wright
Jordan Wright

youre the op because we cant address your posts with logical rebuttals so we’ll pretend youre the incoherent op

ok thanks for admitting its literally impossible to combat objective truths through argument. remember im the op and you already btfo me.

Dominic Gray
Dominic Gray

of course with no logical rebuttal of any points.
Nigger, OP is a shill, and a bad one.
And by all indications, so are you.
13274580
13274391
Because you are OP on another IP.
Yeah thats breat gro.

youre the op because
You do the same shit every single day bud. That's how we can tell.
You aren't novel, you aren't clever, its just the same tired probably-pasta threads day after day after day.

Easton Carter
Easton Carter

many people with high IQ are extremely liberal and closed-minded
This is me, although I'm trying late in life

I always keep an open mind as too all sides of the debate, especially when I don't have the background to fully understand it

Jonathan Gomez
Jonathan Gomez

This is me,
No it isn't.

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

"Lebanese Mathematician"
not stupid sandnigger
seriously expecting us to find any academic, even more so scientific, merit in such a blatantly politicized tantrum
Sage.

Luis Butler
Luis Butler

Most of this board would have no trouble with discussing the validity of IQ measuring intelligence but, when the faggot OP's personal mission is to make us not racist then he will be rejected even if there is maybe a tiny bit of truth in what he's saying.
This right here.
See:
What gets me is that this faggot is focusing ONLY on IQ.

Why not attack the rest of psychology?

Why not attack the things that the political ideology of someone motivated to attack IQ - and it almost-always is political ideological motivation, not scientific curiousity (which is racist and if you want to investigate racial differences in cognitive ability you must be a fucking NAHTZEE!) - would typically use to support their claim?

Because this thread isn't about scientific curiousity, its about attempting to BTFO DA NAHTZEES and PUNCH A NAHTZEE NARRATIVE without even the vaguest sense of awareness of how obvious the intent is in such efforts.

Its like a communist holding up a poll showing that 14,000 people - out of a population of 1 billion people - say they were better off under communism, and then refusing to acknowledge similarly-scaled polls showing Africans and other third-world non-Whites saying the same about White colonial rule.

Hudson Baker
Hudson Baker

It doesn't take a genius to know that blacks are prone to violence and are fairly stupid.

Not many would argue with you about this

But you know the argument
It's been said many times

nature/nurture

Which brings us back to doh(a deer)

David Jenkins
David Jenkins

Stop talking to yourself.

Levi Sanders
Levi Sanders

Not many would argue with you about this
Lmao, get off Zig Forums once in a while. Not even 1/10 normies would debate you on this, let alone consider such an antisemitic thought.

Connor Ward
Connor Ward

Sorry to break it to you then but such background generally requires at least 60k years of selective pressure in a subarctic environment.

Robert Young
Robert Young

BTW, this is why you
crying about the absence of logical rebuttals is so comical.

oy vey goy stop being racist and heres why!
<but what about this? why are you focusing on that? what about this data?
ah fuck that shit
<then fuck your shit
WHY WONT YOU DEBATE ME WITH REASON AND LOGIC!?

Its so droll.

Angel Gray
Angel Gray

You must have a PhD in everything you wish to discuss
They really believe this. I remember reading an article in Popular Science a while back that essentially went like this:

People are studying on their own with the internet
They are coming to incorrect conclusions, like vaccines cause autism
Therefore, people should be limited from using the internet unless they are accredited
Only 'authorized' sources must be allowed on the internet
This is your future, white man. Do something.

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Jack Rivera
Jack Rivera

no im the op because you cant respond to my arguments. quote exactly what i was wrong about in my posts. you will not.

YOURE THE OP WE ALREADY BTFO YOU

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

i already responded to somebody who isnt you who is making entirely different points get btfo

Noah Garcia
Noah Garcia

It becomes even more Orwellian when they insist that they exempt from not making wild correlations and suggest policies according to those.

Fe:
all coastal cities will be submerged by 2020

Michael Harris
Michael Harris

Your shitty skin's smell betrays you, OP. Juggling between IPs and arguments isn't something new.

Evan Ross
Evan Ross

Well since we are in a genetics thread, how can there be antisemitism if there is no semitism?

The results were replicated in a separate analysis. The evidence for the non-Levantine origin of Ashkenazi Jews is very strong.

independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/scientists-reveal-jewish-historys-forgotten-turkish-roots-a6992076.html

Overall, at least 80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe, and 8 percent from the Near East, with the rest uncertain, the researchers estimate.

nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

nytimes.com/2013/10/09/science/ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-european-women-study-finds.html?_r=1&;

gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/75.full

Even the small Near East DNA part of them is nowhere near Israel. Same goes for Shepardi and other Jews. The only people who seem to have continual lineage in Israel are ironically the Palestinians

Tzvi Misinai, a software pioneer, who has devoted his life to assembling the facts on this issue, says that 90 per cent of Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Jews and 50 per cent know it.

Remarkably, Ashkenazi Jews exhibit a dominant Iranian (88%˜) and residual Levantine (3%˜) ancestries, as opposed to Bedouins (14%˜ and 68%˜, respectively) and Palestinians (18%˜ and 58%˜, respectively).

This research also shows that most Palestinians have been living in the land of Palestine for at least 5000 years (Early Bronze age Levant).

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478715/

Camden Jackson
Camden Jackson

But it's settled science, user!
He says as he takes heat measurements from runways
Directly behind active jets

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

Awesome… OP claims IQ is basically irrelevant, while seemingly unaware that the people he/she is trying to defend wouldn't understand the graphs or language in the post, even if written in crayon. Epic failure.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

no one is even talking to you nematode. so im wrong in this post? why dont you explain why and btfo me? its less effort than continually having no argument. one argument now will save you 10 posts. you wont because iq is not the greatest measure of intelligence but like i said in iq tests still mean whites and blacks are not intellectually equal. do you have any response other than saying you already btfo even though you literally have not addressed 1 specific salient point regarding the discussion about iq tests?

Owen Flores
Owen Flores

saging the thread but the sage doesn't work

Jordan Baker
Jordan Baker

Oh wow, are you really using a language that you didn't derive from your own thoughts and imagination? I bet you learned a lot of the vocabulary used in your post from OTHER PEOPLE, parrot.

Ryan Richardson
Ryan Richardson

Also it's in a jar.

Mason Gutierrez
Mason Gutierrez

this

Asher Ward
Asher Ward

Where did this bullshit study come from, and who performed it, you lying rat shit kike?

Evan Miller
Evan Miller

Nassim Taleb is a pseudo intellectual and Stefan Molyneux wrecked him on twitter

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Benjamin Bell
Benjamin Bell

Molyjeux is an admitted kike.

Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

tl;dr

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Matthew Price
Matthew Price

New research suggests that the majority of the world’s modern Jewish population is descended mainly from people from ancient Turkey, rather than predominantly from elsewhere in the Middle East.

The new research suggests that most of the Jewish population of northern and eastern Europe – normally known as Ashkenazic Jews – are the descendants of Greeks, Iranians and others who colonized what is now northern Turkey more than 2000 years ago and were then converted to Judaism, probably in the first few centuries AD by Jews from Persia. At that stage, the Persian Empire was home to the world’s largest Jewish communities.

turk roaches

wtf

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

sage

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

.. not an argument!

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Easton Bennett
Easton Bennett

B-but only his mother is a Jew. Oh, wait.

Owen Gomez
Owen Gomez

Reciprocate the great firewall.

Grayson Cooper
Grayson Cooper

Low IQ post

Elijah White
Elijah White

IQ tests a lie
they are used by racist
leftist pseudosciense
do not believe this guy, believe this Hassan guy

So how low did you score OP?
How much cock did you suck?
Even I, who thinks IQ tests are overblown and innacurate, thinks you're a faggot full of shit.

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Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

If you looked at Northern Europe from Ancient Babylon/Ancient Med/Egypt, you would have written the inhabitants off as losers who are devoid of potential… Then look at what happened after 1600. Be careful when you discuss populations.
The idea of the 'dirty stupid barbarian' is a modern fantasy that was not held by the Ancients. Romans, Greeks and Persians recruited Gauls to fight for them and allowed them to settle certain regions of Anatolia and elsewhere. The Gallic trade empire spanned from Arabia to Iberia, to Britain and Scandinavia/ We know they had a Druidic university, and whilst we have little idea of what was taught there; the fact that some form of education and religious pilgrimage was localised to a specific point in Britain, and which was attended by people living across Iberia and Gaul; shows a level of sophistication and civilisation far beyond what many moderns believe. All nations historically had pride and saw their way as best, and therefore would look down on all others for various reasons, do not mistake that for them believing that the Northern Europeans were a bunch of niggers. Also worth noting is that a lot of those concepts came about with the rise of England and France and their problems with vikings; note again that a viking was a profession, that of a piratical raider, and all the nigger-esque terms applied to them can be seen in the same way that we might talk about wiggers and drug-addled white whores. It never represented the whole.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

OP is a retard who can't read, r values are a percentage, so the lowest is ~25% and the highest is ~60% correlation not 2-6%. Also, I have no time to read the jewsplaining wall of text, but if you randomly assigned a person a task you might be asking a mathematician to characterize a bacteria under a microscope which they would be ineffective at. Also, some high IQ introvert would probably not be a great leader/manager as they couldn't relate to or effectively communicate with their subordinates.

Brody Bailey
Brody Bailey

blatant leftypol sandnigger thread still not anchored
Thanks chodemonkey!

Hudson Mitchell
Hudson Mitchell

no one is even talking to you nematode.
Still better than talking to yourself you fucking nematomorph (((parasite))).

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Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

I think most people fail to realize that an IQ test is a process that yields a result, and not a biopsy of the brain that can be translated directly into a quantitative measure. You can determine someone’s glucose level, platelet count, etc. with absolute certainty. You can’t measure whatever intellectual qualities influence IQ directly. You can only measure test performance. The process is a combination of the test and the subject.

Anyone who thinks that intelligence or success can be measured on a single linear scale is going to be very difficult to argue with, for hopefully obvious reasons.

IQ doesn’t matter and only people who are insecure in their mental ability think otherwise.

Whatever your IQ is you can still better yourself. Start by reading some books. Not the floppy ones with pictures. The words kind. Learn some new skills. Play games you’ve never played before. Find a friend who speaks another language and learn that language.

William Morgan
William Morgan

Creativity is a separate metric from IQ. Anybody who does not score extremely highly in all areas is at best a savant with a fractured soul and most likely retarded. Sage because the only conversation worth having on this topic with subhuman tabula rasa faggots any more will be spoken in Tarrant's language.
t. top 0.1% results in all aptitude (verbal, mathematical, literacy, spatial, mechanical reasoning, creativity) tests ubermensch.

Xavier Martin
Xavier Martin

One graph in and I already smell bullshit. Please, show me the individuals with sub 80 IQ that are making over 200k annually. According to your “data” there are a good number of them.

Thomas Jones
Thomas Jones

Whether IQ is a valid measure of intelligence and whether intelligence is malleable are two different arguments. Thankfully, your broad and inarticulate dismissal of IQ does not affect the fact that intelligence is a mostly genetic phenomena, and will continue to be accurately addressed as such by all serious academics.

Isaiah Sanders
Isaiah Sanders

anyone in the film or music industry.

Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

this has to be one of the most god awful effortposts i've ever seen…
i do find it kinda funny that op makes a big deal about not wasting mental energy on problems that can't be solved yet gave us this retarded wall of text about something that isn't going to be changed, at least not here.
Saged because this is obviously a D&C/shill thread….OP is probably a nigger.

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

Read everything, copy pasted some fucking bullshit about something that had nothing to do with actual IQ on race, nevermind disproving that IQs are not accurate, fuck off you stupid subhuman nigger

David Scott
David Scott

I think OP got this from the TRS-MPC community, one of them probably scored 95 on an IQ test and wrote all that bullshit in a fit of butthurt.

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

Not reading this worthless anti-science blog post. If you think intelligence, unlike every other aspect of our species, was exempt from evolution, then you're anti-science. It's an indisputable fact. Intelligence is a product of evolution. We have different evolutionary paths spanning hundreds of thousands of years, coupled with DNA from other human sub-groups whose evolutionary paths differ from the the most recent common ancestor for all human sub-groups by upwards of a million or more years. We're intellectually different. It's a fact. It can't be denied. To deny it is to deny the theory of evolution. You're in no place to dispute evolution, Comrade Marx, you dogmatic low intelligence zealot.

Henry King
Henry King

Not reading…
Zig Forums in a nutshell

Anthony Anderson
Anthony Anderson

wasting time reading the worthless opinions of a left-wing monkey

Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

OP is a strawman argument. It's pretty fucking ironic too that this presumed liberal is calling for extremism in the vetting of measures with political consequences. Isn't this the kind of malice they're always accusing us of committing? Anyway, it's pretty clear from his expressed concerns that he's only attacking IQ because it's telling him something he doesn't want to hear. I bet this guy believes in the Ivy League orthodoxy of elite liberals like Obama.

When IQ scores are ignored because they're an impefect measure, but affirmative actioning niggers into Harvard proves they're intelligent.

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

It's not about political correctness, his mission is clearly to take away the argument of IQ against systemic racism and oppression and for heritability of intelligence, perhaps influenced by his own ethnic background.

He's right about IQ being a bad measure, although his explanation is very rough around the edges and highly biased, but despite everything there is still a clear difference in job performance and income between different ethnic groups and the fact there is no proof for the reason lying in systemic racism or oppression.

Carter Harris
Carter Harris

Read this user

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Robert James
Robert James

so what you are saying, is that… someone with a really high iq, of like 6 million, can't just come here to me and work in aearodymaics and actual airplanes?

what? but I am just an engineer I don't got 190+ IQ like that american ex blumper or whatever who told me all you had to do to to work with atomic rockets was to believe in your self? what?

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

I was sure all those math and pyshics tests and practical tests were useless when I heard him speek

Carson Edwards
Carson Edwards

search for wolrds biggest iq, and he doesn't show up instead it's a bunch of koreans. which btw I also never heard off….

Alexander Cook
Alexander Cook

but there he is, my god, chris langan (I hope it is not norwegian)
youtube.com/watch?v=j-788Upky2Y

he is so smart, just like mcgyver, he never needs to explain his t hesis he just it. in fact he is so smart that he doesn't know what a thesis is, because arnold scwhartznegger, that's how smart he is>>13280352

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Levi Torres
Levi Torres

how can a non smart person ever relate to him he is just like einstein, instead of of telling everyone and showing evidence, he has no time for that instead he is going to pseudo to the tv and internet because he so smart, but not smart enough like einstein to just start to obfuscate shit
guys einstein here, that scott here. nnonono don't look there that would be antisemitic. look I have proofs read these 100 pages (of jewish jibberish). prove me wrong…. nONONO germany…..
usa help nazis. help me while I fucking rape my nice….I wish it was joke.. the guys is a fraud, a creep and he did actually rape his nice(or other close realtive). he was disgusting and a fraud… I am an engineer so this devastates me… actually yes it does… I see it all in hinsight..
no you don't undertand this… well this here though makes so nesen, no because it was a gold boy so nob… FUCK YOU

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

best of applications
I'd still like to know what these even are. Probably some cherry picked BS.

Joshua Rivera
Joshua Rivera

i already responded to somebody who isnt you who is making entirely different points
You didn't though.

oy vey goy stop being racist and heres why!

<but what about this? why are you focusing on that? what about this data?

ah fuck that shit

<then fuck your shit

WHY WONT YOU DEBATE ME WITH REASON AND LOGIC!?

Its so droll.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

It's not about political correctness, his mission is clearly to take away the argument of IQ against systemic racism and oppression and for heritability of intelligence, perhaps influenced by his own ethnic background.

He's right about IQ being a bad measure, although his explanation is very rough around the edges and highly biased, but despite everything there is still a clear difference in job performance and income between different ethnic groups and the fact there is no proof for the reason lying in systemic racism or oppression.
Pretty much this.
See also:
What gets me is that this faggot is focusing ONLY on IQ.



Why not attack the rest of psychology?



Why not attack the things that the political ideology of someone motivated to attack IQ - and it almost-always is political ideological motivation, not scientific curiousity (which is racist and if you want to investigate racial differences in cognitive ability you must be a fucking NAHTZEE!) - would typically use to support their claim?



Because this thread isn't about scientific curiousity, its about attempting to BTFO DA NAHTZEES and PUNCH A NAHTZEE NARRATIVE without even the vaguest sense of awareness of how obvious the intent is in such efforts.



Its like a communist holding up a poll showing that 14,000 people - out of a population of 1 billion people - say they were better off under communism, and then refusing to acknowledge similarly-scaled polls showing Africans and other third-world non-Whites saying the same about White colonial rule.

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

a thread this long just because some lefty faggot took an IQ test and got butthurt at his 95

Aaron Long
Aaron Long

who here /128IQyetfailedhighschool/

Camden Watson
Camden Watson

Just realised the article was written by Taleb himself. What kind of preening faggot quotes himself like that? Even his quote appeared to be itself another self quotation. I wonder how the liberals in the comments section like the fact they're agreeing with a Trump apologist.

Levi Roberts
Levi Roberts

IQ might measure a physical capacity of intelligence in a narrow field but it is not wisdom nor creativity nor social "intelligence", and so on and so forth, there's much more to intelligence than IQ

Cameron Martin
Cameron Martin

Still not accurate enough, as the blacks didn't invent peanut butter, and as the other guy said, they didn't invent jars.

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

a thread this long just because some lefty faggot took an IQ test and got butthurt at his 95
Yeah. Leftists really can't deal when they don't measure up. They must have had really unforgiving mothers. Years ago on cuckchan /r9k/, there were a few long threads on this guy and it was full of butthurt liberals in envy of him. For people that claim that IQ isn't the entirety of one's personal value, they sure don't behave like they believe their own claims.

Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

but it is not wisdom nor creativity nor social "intelligence"
Prove it.

Leo Sanchez
Leo Sanchez

he is too smart user, you will never understand

Henry Nelson
Henry Nelson

show me your god damn mathematical works or go fuck your self seriously, in the anus, with a think I am smart stick, too smart to give the world

Jace Martin
Jace Martin

fucking up the reply
<crying about others being not-smart
I asked you to prove it, loser.

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

He's writing a serious paper and still resorts to petty insults like he's on some anonymous image board.

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Thomas Young
Thomas Young

IQ tests started out as a way to measure mental development in children.
The test would attempt to measure a childs development via measuring their problem solving and pattern recognition abilities.
Their results would then be compared to the average for their age group at the time of these first tests being formulated.

100 would be parity. So your development is normal.
Anything under meant your development was slow though only an indicator of retardation if it was in the sub 80 range and even then only an indicator.
If you got over 100 then it meant you were ahead of where your development was expected to be and if considerably higher than 100 it was an indicator of future intellect. As there was a correlation between early mental development and adult intellect. Though this could be a nutritional thing relating to the issues of the era.

At no point was it ever a measure of intellect in adults or children.
But over time idiots took it as such because it was a lot easier to understand. To have this one number that meant you were smart or stupid.
Modern tests have departed considerably in some ways and lean a lot more on pattern recognition over problem solving.
They can't measure knowledge application as there was never any reason to include it in the original tests and subsequent test writers don't understand why.
Funnily enough though this heavy focus on pattern recognition favours people with certain disorders.

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Elijah Taylor
Elijah Taylor

IQ tests started out as a way to measure mental development in children.
Irrelevant, the discovery of blackpowder started off as a cooking accident. Doesn't make it's applicability to designing the technology that powers modern small arms any less relevant or valid
The test would attempt to measure a childs development via measuring their problem solving and pattern recognition abilities. Their results would then be compared to the average for their age group at the time of these first tests being formulated.
Pretty much correct
100 would be parity. So your development is normal. Anything under meant your development was slow though only an indicator of retardation if it was in the sub 80 range and even then only an indicator.
Not exactly there lad, 100 is defined as the median raw score for the dataset used. 15 IQ points = 1 standard deviation from the mean, put another way, 68% of the population will have an IQ between 85 and 115, with anything falling outside of that range being considered exceptionally talented or exceptionally untalented and the practical significance of a score essentially stopping at scores below 55 and above 145.

Pro tip: the reason why 80 is generally chosen as the ceiliing for mental disability is because the mean score for nigs is 85, or a standard deviation below that of whites
there was a correlation between early mental development and adult intellect.
understatement of the century, though the race IQ gap actually is less significant at earlier ages and begins to widen as you look at older demographics (up until the point that mental deterioration as a result of advanced age is a factor of course)
At no point was it ever a measure of intellect in adults or children.
You're right, it's only a measure that is STRONGLY correlated with job performance, academic performance across the board, (eg. if you're good at math, you're good at English and good at IQ tests) ability to save money, how likely you are to engage in self-destructive drug use, etc etc etc. It has more predictive validity than any other known psychological variable in the areas where it predicts outcomes.
They can't measure knowledge application as there was never any reason to include it in the original tests and subsequent test writers don't understand why.
It does though, you're just denying it. It's been shown to correlate with nearly every practical form of "knowledge application" that there is, with g being more strongly correlated with good job performance across the board than previous work experience, education, or SES of your parents/legal guardians as a kid
Funnily enough though this heavy focus on pattern recognition favours people with certain disorders.
No it doesn't, there are just disorders(eg. autism) that impair mental faculties in ways that aren't necessarily comorbid with intellectual disability

Read up shill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

Brody Howard
Brody Howard

Ahhhh G factor.
The attempt by those who started using IQ tests for everything to try and legitimise their efforts.
By making another "easily quantifiable" measure of intellect that they could then use to feel superior to others.

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Julian Cooper
Julian Cooper

The attempt by those who started using IQ tests for everything to try and legitimise their efforts.
The psychological motivation behind wanting to figure something out is irrelevant, quit arguing like a Jew
By making another "easily quantifiable" measure of intellect that they could then use to feel superior to others.
Why is a more "difficult to quantify" measure necessarily superior? If I say that a gas station is north of X location, and that description more accurately describes the gas station's position than making up an entire coordinate system based on wrong assumptions about the size of the galaxy and universe and giving you it's location using said system and the location winds up being wrong, then the "easier" system is obviously the superior one even if it's less complicated.

Jayden Wilson
Jayden Wilson

Literally over 100 years of studies, tests and results that confirm that IQ is predictive of success and behavior.
OP sure was a faggot today.

Matthew Morgan
Matthew Morgan

wait how manutre, to protect me, the remove all I wrote. wow I love antifa now [pro nato family who fought the soviet untion during the war, and germany before that]

Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

I can't answer to this, you are just parasites

Adrian Lee
Adrian Lee

keep away from my country you sick fuck

Asher Thomas
Asher Thomas

why do you even know where we live?

Isaac King
Isaac King

omg we're going to bog them?

well it wasn't not like they were not given any chances

Jace Lee
Jace Lee

so not to post, how benis.. actual russia is here and they are trying to fuck up

So how about this russia, smell my fucking beins FUCK YOU.

Dominic Bennett
Dominic Bennett

.. if you ever…

Brayden Allen
Brayden Allen

You just stole a chapter from Antifragile without even assessing the counter argument, and who has the creative ineptitude?

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James Miller
James Miller

Hey look! It's the roastie pretending she's a man!

Michael Williams
Michael Williams

You're drunk. Go to sleep pal.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

When you need heart surgery, have a 55 IQ Abo 'doctor' do it then.

Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

Taleb is a literal retard. There's tons of evidence that IQ doesn't have a cutoff effect, and people with higher IQs consistently perform better.

Zachary Adams
Zachary Adams

why does nobody ever mention that whites score higher on verbal IQ (aka critical thinking) are they too scared?

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

IQ tests like Public Schools were developed to "keep up with the soviets". Like the moonlanding etc. it was all a fraud from the beginning.

I knew a guy who bombed his SAT's, (like 1000) then took a summer class took them again and did so well (like 1500) he was getting offers from Ivy league schools.

Point is that there are many ways these systems can be gamed. Likely the whole point of having them is to game them.

I've heard reports that Jews work all the games including sharing answers etc. Don't you think Seniors can help Jrs pass critical tests, whatever the study? You think questions change that much?

OP is right. Ian Juby a member of Mensa is trolled all the time for being a Creationist. People call him stupid for being a Creationist. He holds his power level. He doesn't care. As he said, having a high IQ just shows that you know how to take tests.

Put it another way, does your IQ increase with age? If you went back and took the same tests you took 20 years ago, would you score better or worse? Undoubtedly worse.

We all know people gain wisdom with age, so clearly IQ tests are not an accurate measurement.

Simply put why do high IQ schools have such stupid policies and ideas?

Why can't MIT grads connect up a battery to a light bulb when prompted?

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/brain-size-and-iq/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/iq-and-socio-economic-status/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/party-affiliation-iq-political-knowledge-and-formal-education/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/brain-size-race-and-iq/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-validity-of-iq/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/race-iq-and-poverty/

Scarr-Rowe Effect: youtube.com/watch?v=IKOpw-igaVc

What can ancient DNA tell us about cognitive evolution?: youtube.com/watch?v=YuYppVmb19o&list=PLqXUBhlAdvYn93f3V4yU4UfiLgBAbUOjV&index=6

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/the-heritability-of-iq/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/iqs-of-various-regions/

quora.com/What-is-the-authenticity-of-IQ-tests?redirected_qid=18053614

the-scientist.com/news-opinion/brain-surface-area-reveals-overlap-in-genes–intelligence–evolution-65559

gwern.net/docs/iq/2019-lee.pdf

reddit.com/r/Narrative_Collapse/comments/bo789c/everything_you_need_to_know_about_race_and_iq/

nature.com/articles/ng.3285

amazon.co.uk/gp/product/081334008X/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_3?smid=A1LME1VMDQPLPB&psc=1

inductivist.blogspot.com/2019/04/data-if-taleb-is-right-that-iq-is-bs.html

Wyatt Moore
Wyatt Moore

(Cont.)

ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/nassim-taleb-on-iq/

ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/01/21/scientific-american-on-iq-genes/

unz.com/article/will-scrabble-have-the-last-word-on-the-iq-debate/

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

The commie cries out as he gulags the high iq gentiles.
As he what?

Luke Diaz
Luke Diaz

IQ test are for the most part extremely reliable but the Jews and Gooks have been manipulating them to look superior, then they pull national averages that conveniently include all the shitskins in US/UK/EU countries.

Jackson Murphy
Jackson Murphy

(Cont.)

youtube.com/watch?v=u1jsWrQu7CQ

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

The argument outlined is hardly straw man. Read again, retard.

Jaxon Mitchell
Jaxon Mitchell

Nassim Taleb is hardly /leftypol/.

Anthony Murphy
Anthony Murphy

13274364>>13274367>>13274369

What IQ test are these conducted upon? There are different IQ test, some which are more psudeo-scientific than others. If these test weren't conducted by the standardized IQ test called the Raven's Progressive Matrices then you are nit picking on old jewish tricks. A even better statistic interesting thing would be Mathematical scores compared to race and class.

youtu.be/t1mgrTGeDPM

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven's_Progressive_Matrices

archive.fo/5vkdv

The USA army use it to evaluate conscripts if they are worth the invest or not. There was an attempt to lower this standard bellow 85 but was deemed as a failed attempt and now reliably sits at 85.

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Nolan White
Nolan White

If these test weren't conducted by the standardized IQ test called the Raven's Progressive Matrices then you are nit picking on old jewish tricks.
Which is what this whole critique is about and is 'IQ'.
A even better statistic interesting thing would be Mathematical scores compared to race and class.
Which is not 'IQ'. No one is denying intelligence. This is a critique of a particular circularly defined 'metric' that has questionable predictive capacity.

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

iq tests were invented by the jews which is why they ace it

Anthony Hernandez
Anthony Hernandez

The Raven's Progressive Matrices is based on a mathematic model. I've to see a source of yours that points out to the raven's progressive matrice being a psudeo-scientific indicator.

Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould criticized IQ tests and argued that they were used for scientific racism

Pls post your sources of who said what and their ethnic background.

There are multiple different IQ tests: Which of the following are questioned and why.

Raven's Progressive Matrices
Cattell Culture Fair III
Reynolds Intellectual Assessment Scales
Thurstone's Primary Mental Abilities
Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test
Multidimensional Aptitude Battery II
Das–Naglieri cognitive assessment system
Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test

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Nathan Morales
Nathan Morales

That's because they use the easier form of psudeo-scientific test than the scientific ones. There is a reason why jews actually have bellow average spatial intelligence compared to whites which explains why Jewish art, culture and architecture / Engineering is ass compared to western design.

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Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

So you're saying Juden Peterstein is a lying, treacherous jewpet after all?
Fair enough

Carter Cruz
Carter Cruz

I'm a 130IQ slav and I will say, I definitely feel like my friends who aren't as intelligent are better off socially/financially because they don't get lost in their heads like I often do and I often have really turbulent periods in most every relationship I encountered. I wouldn't trade it for the world though. Yes I get frustrated I'm not making as much because I actually care about honest work I make 60k which is definitely /comfy/ but I feel inadequate in that aspect to more of my kike inclined friends , I get frustrated spilling my spaghetti around women even though I'm pretty attractive and lose their interest once I open my mouth, I get frustrated constantly pissing off my friends because I delve wayy too much into a subject that upsets them and causes friction. But I prefer knowing society is fucked, giving a fuck that it's fucked, and wanting to do everything I reasonably can to resist this globohomo prison planet. Some things you cannot unsee. Also, I actually enjoy 'hard' scientific literature I dropped out of pharmacy school because I spent too much time focusing on the actual drugs and diseases than memorizing dosages only to forget them on a test, and switched to toxicology because it still dealt with pharmacology and physiology while focusing on literally any chemical compound, not just drugs, and the misinformation you see in medical courses, it's no wonder we have an opiate epidemic, and I was too morally conflicted to pursue it further
I also found that I cannot stand fiction but I absolutely love books on philosophy, history and science.

OP was long winded but I think he's onto something, that IQ alone won't determine your success. Though this ignores behavioral and physiological aspects that comes along with race, and doesn't disprove the fact that nigs gonna nig, kikes gonna kike and Euros will either cuck themselves or produce a Hitler. He's trying to dismiss IQ because it might be flawed but ignores why people notice differences between people in the first place. Genetics.

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

No u r just low iq 😂😂😂 nigger 😎 kike!

Thomas Robinson
Thomas Robinson

I swear the obsession with IQ may be one of the most statistically significant predictors of autism in adults.

Adam Roberts
Adam Roberts

This

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

Also, East Asians are the only non-Euros I choose to associate/be around with. And the lot of them actually agree with me on issues regarding race. It's also especially helpful in my position that Asian-Americans are more often more financially successful than native euros in America. The more Americanized one's are actually more reasonable as they're immersed in western thought, despite their persistent buglike nature. Ontop of that, me being an immigrant and sent back to the motherland often enough to form a bond helps me in my resolve, as I'm not plagued by, even though I went through the K-12 and college route. Idk just food for thought. Also anecdotally, the only one of my libshit friends I can have actual constructive discussions with is uncircumsized like me. I wonder if that has an affect as well.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

implying this can't be used to BTFO Juden Peterstein even harder
implying it even matters

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

Somebody is mad.

Angel Gray
Angel Gray

Taleb harps on income precisely because it is the kind of confused measure that returns the result he wants. Pursuit of maximum income is a value and he is making a massive leap in assuming that all people value income and wealth attainment the same relative to all other values. I wouldn't move to a worse working environment for an extra $10,000. Taleb sloppily fails to mention what corrections were made in his income data, so it's fair to assume that none were. Maybe he expects us to do his work for him. That would be typical for a narcissist like him.

Take as an example teachers. There are more than 3.5 million teachers employed in the US. I'm sure Taleb would agree that teachers are highly intelligent, yet teachers make little and are making progressively less in many markets. In particular, certifications and union membership complicates and disincentivizes changing locales. If you move from one state to another in search of higher income, you will lose your seniority and thus your choice of classes, and you will also go to the bottom of the pay scale, which takes more than a decade to ascend. And we haven't even touched on COLAs. Teachers also get higher pay for greater educational attainment. And private school teachers get paid shit, but people from money take the job in order to preserve status among their peers. Also in some districts, parochial school teachers get fired after reaching the top of their pay scale.

I know all this shit because my mother, grandmother and sister are all teachers. My father is also certified, but never taught. I would never enter the profession the way it is now, even though it would pay higher than what I might otherwise get. I am in good company in this decision, too. Today many a young collegiate avoids teaching majors like the plague. It's been like this for at least a decade. How's that for a confounding factor!?

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

Underrated post. People here are too attached to IQ because they think it is a rhetorical tool to show differences in the races and how much blacks and some others fall short. It is effective in showing biological differences, but it's still a pretty limited indicator of whether someone is going to make a worthwhile contribution.

John Jenkins
John Jenkins

zero imagination? pretty sure that is one of the leading factors in intelligence.
besides IQ test are easy
example question

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Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

The idiot socialists would say… that isn't very nice to use the Mean…

Wow, very informative. Thank you.

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

It is still a much better indicator than regular career test or essays of one's past. Problem is to use a scientific test. There are too many "verbal" IQ tests that boil down to how well you can the english language (Most IQ tests are done in English).

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

user please explain pattern

Ryan Cooper
Ryan Cooper

There isn't really an obvious pattern that I can see, which isn't surprising in a 3x3 grid with this amount of variables. Instead you have to take what's there and process it in some other way first in order to make sense of it. Easiest way to look at this puzzle is to identify what's there, so you can see what's missing

Vertical bars
Yellow=3
Blue=2
Black=3
Horizontal bars
Yellow=2
Blue=3
Black=3
Triangles
Yellow=3
Blue=3
Black=2

There is a good possibility that the answer they are looking for is what's missing.
A black triangle
A yellow horizontal bar
A blue vertical bar.
So it appears that position is completely irrelevant in this case.
Option #3 is the only one in red, so despite red typically meaning "incorrect", I am presuming that it's showing the correct answer.

Intelligence is really just the sum of how well you are able to systematically break down a wide variety of problems into smaller parts (mostly learned), mentally keep track of these parts (mostly inherent to a person), and follow through creatively processing these small parts into a solution (both learned and inherent).

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Juan Peterson
Juan Peterson

I know many people who are only good at memorizing and repeating, they are good test takers but bad philosophers in that they cannot understand none back and white reasoning.

since the modern era people don't need IQ, they need to memorize a process and repeat it as well as they can, simple as that

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