Oswald Spengler: Prophet or Shitposter?

Asher Adams
Asher Adams

Now don't get me worng, I agree with him on many of his points, but how was he so bluepilled on the (((yid)))? Was it because if he accounted (((them))),as a 'High Civilization' his predictions of the rise and falls of civilzations/cultures doesn't work, or the fact if he accounted (((flith))) as the parasitic organism that (((it))) is, then his theories show proof of this fact. (e.g Ancient Egyptians culture/civilization run it's course, but the (((parasite))) just jumped off to the new host, that would be Rome)

So what do you fuckers think? For me,I just can't truely get behind the work of a man, who didn't think (((they))) had much todo with the Cult of Money.

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Julian Hall
Julian Hall

Oswald Spengler: Prophet or Shitposter?

Prophet.

Carson Robinson
Carson Robinson

Warum nicht beides?

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

I think he was a faggot who should have been long knived.

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13337937

Kill yourselves, kiddie diddlers.

Wyatt Green
Wyatt Green

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13337937

If Spengler is right and the West is doomed, then I can only hope the West takes down (((your))) lot in it's death throw.

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Lincoln Lewis
Lincoln Lewis

Because Spengler got destroyed in 1909 by

Race Or Mongrel: A Theory That The Fall Of Nations Is Due To Intermarriage With Alien Stocks by Alfred P. Schultz

archive.org/details/raceormongrel00schurich

James Perez
James Perez

ALL civilizations are doomed.

Most people that talk about Spengler evidently never actually did the work to read The Decline Of The West in 2 volumes.

I have.

What he says is that each civilization is unique and all civilizations are the same.

How can this be so?

We are all unique and we are all the same.

We all have individual fingerprints, DNA, faces, and personalities.

We are all born go through infancy, childhood, adolescence, adulthood old age and death.

Civilizations are just like this. Their uniqueness comes from their fundamental mathesis, that is, their fundamental world view. An arab looks at the sky and sees a firmament, that is a solid crystalline dome with glimmering lights in it. A nordic man looks at the sky and sees an infinite void with distant planets stars and galaxies in it.

But both civilizations go through their life cycle and produce more or less identical characters and go through identical phases. They produce their Christ figure, their Napoleon/Alexander figure, they go through a tempestuous adolescence, they go senile and die in a bed full of their own shit so to speak.

Essentially to Spengler a civilization is a pact between its founding cadre, it's men and it's women. The men agree to build the civilization for the women and the women choose to create the race with the men they choose according to the attributes they seek; warriors, sailors, explorers, engineer builders, merchants and so on.

When the civilization has reached the fullest realization of its foundational mathesis the women no longer have use for the men and cease to breed. The civilization perishes within a few generations and the empty city of stone becomes ruins inhabited by bearded naked troglodytes.

It's not a political question any more than the wrinkles you get on your face or your hair turning grey is political. It's just the natural process of life and death.

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

Now reading Spengler could be a bit of a chore. Vol 1 of Decline of the West in particular is very dry as it is his philosophy, and he spends most of Vol 1 laying out the fundamental philosophical groundwork of his thinking. Vol 2 is much more amusing, as a comparative history of various civilizations and how they match up.

Now this isn't probably your cup of tea for most of you, but there is a much more fun way to sample Spengler's philosophy. Jorge Luis Borges, the blind short story writer based most of his very amusing and edifying short stories on Spengler and I highly recommend them. In particular The Library of Babel and The Man Who Lived Forever express succinctly the Spenglerian system of thought.

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Michael Lee
Michael Lee

Kill yourselves, kiddie diddlers.
Man up and marry the used goods am I rite nya~?
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Ryan Murphy
Ryan Murphy

Western civilisation fundamentally shifted its course due to the introduction and complete dominance of Christianity after Constantine made it the offical religion of the ROman Empire. After race, religion is the most important foundation of civilisation nya~
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Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

This is what I mean, I fear the man had the right idea of the life span of a human civilization, but he does not add (((them))) into the equation.

If it's Western man's destiny is to find infinity, then it is the (((X-markers))) destiny to use the goy as they see fit until God delivers them the Kingdom of Heaven. This is what I don't get, Spengler can see such a brilliant pattern, yet doesn't even question why (((they))) do not conform to it. (((They))) just carry on sucking what ever the next prime 'High Civilzation' that is born to milk.

Not only that we haven't truely had a Caesar take place, Napoleon and Hitler faild to take the mantel. If anything Hitler truely believed (so do I) he was building new 'High Civilzation', one that was Western just 100% (((koasher))) free.

Thanks user

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kys rabbi

Nathaniel Reyes
Nathaniel Reyes

Implying my wife wasn't a virgin
One of the perks of growing up in a christfag community, admittedly the sex was fuvking terrible at first. You wouldn't know though as Rabbis molest the girls assigned to them.

Lincoln Gutierrez
Lincoln Gutierrez

How does Spengler relate to Nietzsche?

Jace Evans
Jace Evans

Not at all from what I could see. Someone here a few weeks ago said that Nietzsche wasn't a philosopher; he was a writer who composed aphorisms. Spengler is a philosopher, from what I can judge (I'm not a philosophy student and frankly I find that analyzing the architectonic scaffolding they erect to support their world view is a bit tiresome, particularly if it's not presented in a succinct mathematical or symbolic language with extreme rigor. As I said, Spengler is about comparing societies, seeking their common physiology, then analyzing their characteristic differences. I don't see that in Nietzsche, which in itself doesn't invalidate his writings. I suppose I'm not qualified to judge his worth, but I do worry about his dramatic generalizations.

It's too bad most of you can't read French. I think that Piero Rossi would be a much more valid writer to pair with Spengler.

It's available in PDF at Archive.org

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Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

As for the jews and their role in our society's decline, they may not be the cause so much as opportunistic organisms feeding off the necrosis of it's parts that comes with extreme old age.

Pierre Rossi touches on this and notes that the Jews themselves and their claim to having produced a civilization are dubious. Think of all the epigraphy produced by contemporary civilizations to their own supposed civilization. The ancient Greeks and their steles, the immense records of Egyptian heiroglyphs, or the prodigious libraries of cuneform clay tablets left by the Assyrians and Mesopotamians. The jews? We find one pebble dug up at what was once Jericho the size of your middle toe, with three scratches etched or gouged into it crudely. And as for their illustrious civilization, it's apparently a legend in their own minds. Located at a vital crossroads between empires there is no mention of it at its purported zenith under David and Soloman, in the Egyptian heiroglyphs or the Mesopotamian cuneform tablet records. That might explain their eagerness to loot and destroy the cuneform libraries in Iraq and Syria when they unleashed war on those countries. If historical records are destroyed then the tribe of inveterate liars can conjure up any history they please.

Juan King
Juan King

People talk about a war for oil or this or that but the jews always have multiple agendas and I believe this was not the least of them.

washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/04/18/looters-may-have-destroyed-priceless-cuneiform-archive/03724839-2d07-4500-ac7c-a3a83755c229/?utm_term=.8a93c4f40405

Looters at Iraq's National Museum of Antiquities pillaged and, perhaps, destroyed an archive of more than 100,000 cuneiform clay tablets – a unique and priceless trove of ancient Mesopotamian writings that included the "Sippar Library," the oldest library ever found intact on its original shelves.

Experts described the archive as the world's least-studied large collection of cuneiform – the oldest known writing on Earth – a record that covers every aspect of Mesopotamian life over more than 3,000 years. The texts resided in numbered boxes each containing as many as 400 3-inch-by-2-inch tablets.

The Sippar Library, discovered in 1986 at a well-known neo-Babylonian site near Baghdad, was one of the archive's crown jewels. Dating from the sixth century B.C., it comprised only about 800 tablets, but it included hymns, prayers, lamentations, bits of epics, glossaries, astronomical and scientific texts, missing pieces of a flood legend that closely parallels the biblical story of Noah, and the prologue to the Code of Hammurabi, the ancient Babylonian lawgiver.

"This is the kind of discovery that one waits 100 years to see," said Yale's Benjamin Foster, curator of the Yale Babylonian Collection. "And now we'll never have another chance. It's a tragedy of the first order." Foster said only about two dozen of the Sippar Library tablets have been fully analyzed and published.

UCLA Assyriologist Robert Englund noted that while some of the Sippar material was similar, at least in part, to works in earlier finds, "the vast majority of at least 100,000 texts in the archive are unique, very poorly documented and barely studied, if at all. I'm more fearful for these losses."

The extent of the damage is not yet known, but experts at a United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization meeting in Paris yesterday confirmed that looters smashed or stole thousands of tablets. McGuire Gibson, an Iraq specialist at the University of Chicago's Oriental Institute, told reporters that he had spoken with museum officials in Baghdad, and that the archive "has apparently been lost."

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

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Wyatt James
Wyatt James

The Jews have always been so desperate to imagine themselves among the great civilisations as a parasite would attempt to borrow into its host. The story of slavery in a Egypt is a great example of this. For many centuries the Jews fooled people into believing their great slavery in Egypt where they build the great pyramids where they used it has their pre-Holocaust mythos in attempt to appeal to the sympathy of the gentiles, only to be crushed by the might of modern archeology proving all their claims were falsehoods and fantasy. A work of some desert inbreds desperately envious of his great neighbours so he might fashion himself a fantastical tale called Israel and Israel is where the myth really begins. Outside of Jewish delusions of grandeur, what they call Israel had never been the land of the Jews. The oldest historical evidence of Jews is found in Babylon and these parasitic whores of Babylon called the Jews were always a minority among other nations which lived there where they lived as rootless uncivilised bandits attacking the trade caravans of the great civilisations of the Babylonians and the Assyrians. This should explain to you why those nations were after them all the time and it should also explain to you why they different from other nations did not have a civilization of their own; no temples, no statues, no stadiums, no theaters as if they had never lived there. When the Arabs conquered it it was already Christian ever since the Romans drove the Jews out some 600 years before the Arab conquest. Even if we historians muse the ridiculousness that is the Myth of the Kingdom of David as true, it even didn't last for more than 70 years after which the Hebrews live in scattered communities until the Assyrians captured them and disposed 10 out of their 12 claimed tribes/bandits before the Romans came and expelled those two tribes out of the land. Indeed, it is a legend in their own minds of the utmost absurdity and the worst part is that they are so slavishly and dangerously dedicated to this myth which has caused immeasurable harm to all mankind.

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

This is something am trying to get at, it seems like this shit will keep happening and happening.

The biggest black pill I fear to take is WW2 was actually the closing nail in the coffin of West and what we are seeing now is the start of the 1000 year culture of the (((Western))) civilization. The jew has finally gained roots.

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Justin Cooper
Justin Cooper

Even more to the point than the jews in captivity is the story of Joseph and his colorful coat. Here's Wikipedia;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_many_colors

His half brother get envious and cast him into a pit then pull him out to sell him to passing merchants then dip his coat in blood and show it to their father saying he's dead.

But the tale stops there. What actually follows is one of the biggest jew tall tales in history.

36 And the Midianites sold him into Egypt unto Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh's, and captain of the guard.

39 The traders[a] who bought Joseph took him down to Egypt. They sold him to the captain of Pharaoh’s guard, Potiphar. 2 The Lord helped Joseph become a successful man. Joseph lived in the house of his master, Potiphar the Egyptian.

3 Potiphar saw that the Lord was with Joseph and that the Lord helped Joseph be successful in everything he did. 4 So Potiphar was very happy with Joseph. He allowed Joseph to work for him and to help him rule the house. Joseph was the ruler over everything Potiphar owned. 5 After Joseph was made the ruler over the house, the Lord blessed the house and everything that Potiphar owned. The Lord also blessed everything that grew in Potiphar’s fields. The Lord did this because of Joseph. 6 So Potiphar allowed Joseph to take responsibility for everything in the house. Potiphar didn’t have to worry about anything except deciding what to eat.

Joseph Refuses Potiphar’s Wife
Joseph was a very handsome, good-looking man. 7 After some time, the wife of Joseph’s master began to pay special attention to him. One day she said to him, “Sleep with me.”

8 But Joseph refused. He said, “My master trusts me with everything in his house. He has given me responsibility for everything here. 9 My master has made me almost equal to him in his house. I cannot sleep with his wife! That is wrong! It is a sin against God.”

10 The woman talked with Joseph every day, but he refused to sleep with her. 11 One day Joseph went into the house to do his work. He was the only man in the house at the time. 12 His master’s wife grabbed his coat and said to him, “Come to bed with me.” But Joseph ran out of the house so fast that he left his coat in her hand.

13 The woman saw that Joseph had left his coat in her hand and had run out of the house. 14 She called to the men outside and said, “Look! This Hebrew slave was brought here to make fun of us. He came in and tried to attack me, but I screamed. 15 My scream scared him and he ran away, but he left his coat with me.” 16 Then she kept his coat until her husband, Joseph’s master, came home. 17 She told her husband the same story. She said, “This Hebrew slave you brought here tried to attack me! 18 But when he came near me, I screamed. He ran away, but he left his coat.”

19 Joseph’s master listened to what his wife said, and he became very angry. 20 So Potiphar put Joseph into the prison where the king’s enemies were held, and that is where Joseph remained.

Joseph in Prison
21 The Lord was with Joseph and continued to show his kindness to him, so the commander of the prison guards began to like Joseph. 22 The commander of the guards put Joseph in charge of all the prisoners. Joseph was their leader, but he still did the same work they did. 23 The commander of the guards trusted Joseph with everything that was in the prison. This happened because the Lord was with Joseph. The Lord helped Joseph be successful in everything he did.

This sums up part of the story but leaves out the best part;
storynory.com/joseph-and-his-coat-of-many-colours/

This version ends with Joseph a powerful minister in Egypt.

What it leaves out is that he propose a scheme to the pharaoh to construct granaries to store the surplus up against future famines. When a famine occurs the Egyptians are forced to pay a higher and higher price from the granaries they themselves built till finally they are forced to sell the their own children in slavery to the jews for their own grain. The Pharaoh becomes alarmed, Joseph flees Egypt with its treasure and Egypt collapses, forever impoverished and ruined.

Good story eh? The audacious tale of an intrepid thief with plenty of chutzpah.

Too bad nobody else tells this story except the jews themselves in their unclean book of evil, the Bible.

Adrian Kelly
Adrian Kelly

Amazing to think that in this day and age, we are held hostage by a band of desert brigands still obsessed with Bronze Age vendettas.

If they ever succeed in overthrowing Egypt, guaranteed they'll trash all the priceless heiroglyphs and statues and Cyclopean monuments. They're worse iconoclasts than the most fanatical muslims, who are nothing less than copycats of these brigands.

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

I'm an artist, and a historian. It's WWI that's the real death of western civilization. Take upon yourself a study of Western music from the end of the middle ages to say 1940. I had to pay over $6500 back in the 80's do do this because it was pre internet. You can do it now for free on You Tube. Study the Renaissance music, the early baroque (transition music), the high baroque, the classical. Western music comes to a dead halt with WWI after being mortally wounded during the French Revolution. The same goes for painting, architecture and sculpture. WWI is the death of our civilization.

Zachary Smith
Zachary Smith

This is a good point of departure; transition music, the transition between Medieval/Renaissance music and the Baroque.

Xavier Rivera
Xavier Rivera

It's no more a culture than Attila the Hun burning down Europe. It's barbarism, it's death. Many could accept the destruction of the WTC because after all it was a nest for jews looting the world. But Notre Dame is the precious heirloom of the Middle Ages. The vandalism of that monument by the jews should tell us the burning of the Uffizi is not far off.

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

Intresting, will have to look more into this.

Another thought is, what part will the internet play in the rise/fall of civilizations? No man in history had anything close to this level of communication.

Yes a culture of death, greed and degeneracy. I have yet to have seen a culture that can match them in there evil. Even chink's look human compared to (((them))).

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Ayden Lee
Ayden Lee

Banker wars for the Warburgs and Rothschilds killed western civilisation.

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

IIT Black pilled faggots, all you need to know is race mixing ends civilizations. Modern history is still young, we need to be the phoenix of tomorrow and build the civilization that will safe guard itself from Judaism and its ideologies, but most importantly race mixing.

Julian Davis
Julian Davis

(((They))) are not smart, just cunning. They are only powerful when the host is weak, so they stay away from young cultures, only appearing in autumn and consolidating power during winter.

Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

Western civilization was born from white culture, so of course race mixing would lead the ulimate death of Western Man, but come on user, just think about how many generations that would actually take, you think civil wars would not sort this out? But civilization can not take place, with out the foundations of culture. It just so happens to be Western civilization was the greatest thing the world has ever seen, and I do fear will ever see, if (((they))) have there final Victory, aka the rewriting of the History of Western Man.

Can you not see the bedrock (((they))) are trying to create? Hitler could see it, this is why he was trying to create a 'Thousand Year Reich'
He was trying to remove Western Man form the winter, into a cultural spring of something even more greater than the peak of Western civilization.

It didn't happen, (((they))) had there Victory. But that's not the blackpill part of it, the part I fear is, that this shit has been going on for at least the last 6,000 years, if not longer. And it's seems the (((leech))) just gets stronger, and stronger after each host is dead.

This is what I really want to learn more about, how much do (((they))) have in the deaths of 'High Civilzations'.

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Juan Wood
Juan Wood

The problem with Spengler is that he ignores race. A cycle of civilisation can occur within the same race. But the cycle an be permanently broken if the race is replaced or defiled. Iran after the Arab conquests are an example of this nya~
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Christian Rodriguez
Christian Rodriguez

Eternal darkness
Literally, the world is going to be BLACKED.com at this rate nya~

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Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

nya~
Kill yourself.

Adam Green
Adam Green

Spengler doesn't ignore race at all; it's just that his ideas about it don't conform with NatSoc.

His concept is that at the core of a nascent civilization you have a small cadre of women and men who self select one another for their desired attributes based on their fundamental organizing principles for regarding the world they live in. Women select the men according to their ability to perform all the tasks they require and men select the women according to the attributes they want in the bearers of their children. From this core cadre all the possible ramifications of the fundamental mathesis of that civilization will crystallize. That mathesis will determine the manner in which they navigate the seas, farm, erect stone structures, deploy a road system and produce a literature etc.
We are living in the late era of the Faustian culture which is characterized by its will to the infinite a unique attribute in all of human history. Even before putting men in orbit or flying across the biggest oceans in airplanes this will to the infinite was manifesting itself in the proportions and extreme architectural design of Gothic Cathedrals.
As the great cities of stone expanded the core cadre found (and finds itself) drawing in newer and broader groups to fuel the expansion of those cities from further and further afield in the civilization's hinterland. Thus you might start in France with the Angevins who cobble together more and more Germanic tribes (like the Burgundians) and remnants of the old Roman elite; that expansion, that drawing people in from the hinterland not only implies expansion, it also requires a certain degree of racial intermingling inevitably. The further afield the civilization spreads the more the metissage.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

And when I say the men of the core cadre selecting women according to the attributes they desire in the bearers of their children I'm not just talking about a fat ass or big tits or a symmetrical pretty face. More important is how the female will teach her infants to speak. For at this phase the female imprints all the necessary mathesis, the fundamental world view of that civilization upon her children.

And that's another aspect of Spengler's learning that's most fascinating. He gets into the beginnings of spoken language, seeing it as a kind of powerful sorcery produced by what he calls the warrior poet priest kings. This hearkens back to our mysterious origins, that moment 50 to 100 thousand years ago when men not only developed the powerful sorcery of speech and language but also formed our first alliances with dogs and horses. Spengler almost obsesses upon the development of riding on horses as the defining moment in our rise up from the mud to an embryonic civilized state.

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

Each volume is 34MB and so too big to upload here

ia800304.us.archive.org/12/items/Decline-Of-The-West-Oswald-Spengler/Decline_Of_The_West.pdf

ia800908.us.archive.org/2/items/declineofwest02spenuoft/declineofwest02spenuoft.pdf

Spengler didn't like Hitler you know; he thought he was a vulgar and unimpressive.

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Charles Martinez
Charles Martinez

It's a paid shill. It spams its avatar, signature, and website every day. Global report every post it makes.

Jackson Rogers
Jackson Rogers

Honestly, the Jews were pawns of the monarchies/aristocracies. Ever hear of the "court Jew"? The ruling class would import Jews to act as bankers on their behalf since, unlike Christians, they weren't forbidden from charging interest by the church. Due to this, many Jews became successful in the industry, with some families able to buy their way into the aristocracy…ie, Rothschilds. That's where Hitler got it wrong….the Nazi's were right about the banking system's slavery…he was just wrong about who controls the banking system. Ultimately it is controlled by the sovereign wealth funds of the former aristocracy. That's why it's called the Holocaust; x amount of Jews were sacrificed by the banking elite to maintain the status quo, and in return the Rothschilds acquired Israel.

Gabriel White
Gabriel White

In the "Glorious Revolution" the Rothschilds indeed came to Britain to take over the banking, but as the bankers to the wealthiest man in the world, The Elector of Hesse with other German aristocrats. I've been trying to figure out just what happened in the terrifying Guerre de Trente Ans where half the population of Germany got wiped out. Who actually won that war from among all the factions? All I know is that the Elector of Hesse who owned his own private mercenary army came out very wealthy by renting out his Hessian mercenaries. He brought about 25000 of them with him to Britain when they took over in 1695 and they were still running the joint by the late Victorian era.

Rothschilds were the bankers to the Elector of Hesse, one of if not the wealthiest man in the world thanks to his private mercenary army that he rented out. I do believe both the Elector of Hess and his Rothschild bankers came to Britain during the Glorious Revolution of 1695

Cameron Bailey
Cameron Bailey

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in webm & oc thread

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

Yes, WWII was the end of Europe. All that's left is to find a good death, but we will outlive the kikes. Its mathematical certainty, which is why they pushed class revolutions and now cultural marxism so hard. They desperately want their dark lord born before its too late for their godless race to rule the world. At this rate, even if they succeed against us, they will rule a poisoned, urban-industrial hellscape of stupid, ugly niggers.

Grayson Myers
Grayson Myers

Pedant.

Christopher Ward
Christopher Ward

what we are seeing now is the start of the 1000 year culture of the (((Western))) civilization. The jew has finally gained roots.
I think you are giving them way too much credit, this mess is not going to last, you think too high of them if you believe they are not going to ruin themselves due to their own greedy nature
they are going to keep biting more and more and more until they go too far and the same masses they unleashed against Tradition are going to eat them alive
the reign of the merchant will probably "soon" come to an end, I have doubts they are even going to last the next 50 years, maybe 100 tops, maybe our children or grandchildren at least will see the bankers hanged

Dylan Rivera
Dylan Rivera

When the jews decided to feed the debauchery of the goyim I'm not sure they realized that their own children would be some of the worst victims of that debauchery.

Eli King
Eli King

How do you guys keep all of this information organized? Do you have lists, certain groupings or what? Do you look at history from a country to country basis or is it all a combination of everything at once?

I just feel like it's difficult to pinpoint certain events and what influenced them, and what they influenced, without knowing a LOT of history yourself.

I just feel like there needs to be, almost something like a constantly updated infograph with interactive diagrams that people can sort of click on an event, and see, visually where things changed, how things adjusted when so and so came to power, etc.

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Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

A lot of people on this Ripurarian Frankish cloisonne sintering forum claim reading fiction, novels to be a waste of time. I disagree heartily. Great novels can encompass a full spectrum of scales from the intimate solipsism of one character in the crowd to vast social movements spanning a continent, the globe even. They can paint this vast social psychological historical panorama on a canvas with a powerful philosophic substratum. Starting from the right point it can lead you precipitously down any number of pathways of enquiry.

I suggest you start with Tolstoy's War and Peace. Usually I recommend the Penguin Paperback version for a good translation and an excellent introduction.

Levi Brooks
Levi Brooks

By the way; the 1966 movie version, a joint Russian British production was superb. Highly recommended though the book is indispensable

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

It just seeing how cucked my country is atm, the platform for which a true movement can be obtained is just not there anymore. I would be called a Nazi for just questioning immigration, I would be imprisoned for actually naming (((them))). And I know the only way my country will now turn itself around, is for my people to suffer. And its FBM.

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Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

A better comparison to Spengler is actually Marx, as a comparison of opposites.
Both try to create a grand philosophy of history. But Spengler's philosophy is cultural and cyclical while marx's is materialist and linear-progressive.

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

This is actually part of Spengler and to some extent Evola's ideas about history though.
Over time as a civilization degenerates/moves into the next stage of its life cycle, the lower subvert and then overthrow the higher in the hierarchy of the society.
The Jews used their position as 'the court Jew' to overthrow the monarchs.

The former aristocracy have little power and it diminishes by the year.

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

though one should still see the role that the degeneration of the elites plays into this
the low can't really overthrow the high….but the high can lower itself enough to be overthrown
like organism which carry within themselves the seed of their senility, so do civilizations through the sort of mysterious mechanism of degeneration, elite degeneration that is, the masses themselves in any case participate to lesser degrees to it

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Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

the low can't really overthrow the high….but the high can lower itself enough to be overthrown
Technology means that yes, they can. What the lower classes cannot overthrow is themselves. Kikes have power because they suck it up to lower classes and their disgusting desires and hide behind all that filth and sin.

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

I've been trying to find his books in PDF or audiobook form and can't find them please someone help and provide links if you do have them as I want to read them.

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

Oswald Spengler: Prophet or Shitposter?
You have a talent for catchy headlines, I'll give you that.

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Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

Spengler's philosophy is cultural and cyclical while marx's is materialist and linear-progressive.

Well said.

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

Oh thank god.

Which version should I read?

Has anyone done an audiobook yet? If not, I will have to take this task upon myself, for the good of the world. Spengler's words must be narrated!

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

how was he so bluepilled on the (((yid)))?
He was an Anglo.

Jackson Young
Jackson Young

He was an Anglo.
Scratch that. I'm thinking of the other guy who wrote that essay on civilizations.

Joshua Gomez
Joshua Gomez

Like I said earlier in the thread; skip vol 1 and just read vol 2.

Brayden Kelly
Brayden Kelly

death of our civilization

Once a civilisation says: all I want for is my people to live in peace. And wish this for all other surrounding civilisations. Even the honor part: preferring it to be equal and searching for ways how it can be.

This is probably when the whole problem stops. I think at least for that civilisation.

Oliver Rodriguez
Oliver Rodriguez

skip vol 1 and just read vol 2.

Does Vol 2 repeat everything in Vol 1?

Ethan Peterson
Ethan Peterson

Read what I said: Vol 1 lays the technical foundations of his philosophy, and it's boring. The really interesting stuff takes place in Vol 2.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

Wasn't Spengler part jewish?

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

Funny thing about this.
I am still fucking triggered by a Stephan Molyneux interview when he was in fucking NZ with Lauren fucking Southern and this stupid cunt female reporter goes
"But you can't possibly say our society is in decline"

I am still fucking angry about it lol

He wrote this shit 100 years ago when they still taught latin and greek in high school.

Now we teach remedial english in university.

Fuck the world and all these normie cunts.

Jacob Reyes
Jacob Reyes

Thanks, uploaded to libgen.

Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

This is a sign that your understanding of reality is descending into a memetic parody of itself.

Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

I like the title of the book.

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

This just goes to show that THOTs think all this shit fest gay pride Folsom St. Fair with old men crouching inside a ring of evil fucks pissing on them, open drug addiction, little boys dancing in drag in gay clubs, heroin addicted pop singers is actually PROGRESS. This is true of even the supposedly right wing douchebags and especially the left. Ivanka and Jared certainly think its progress.

If I sat them down and told them exactly what Spengler was talking about they'd start going REEEEEE to block out the dreadful words as soon as their meaning penetrated into their ignorant skulls. People like this have never read an important book. Even trash like 50 Shades of Grey seems like a towering literary magnum opus to their tiny pea brains.

Of course that's not to say that Spengler is the last word on any of this. He should serve as starting point for cross cultural analysis rather than the be all and end all of it. A very great starting point but a starting point nevertheless. There's been a lot of great scholarship in the almost last 100 years since then.

Angel Johnson
Angel Johnson

lmao, you're retarded OP. he largely groups them with magian civilization, i.e, fellaheen peoples. it's not a positive endorsement, espeically coming from a mischling

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

fellaheen peoples
So he saying Jews are nothing but farmers? Fuck me kike get back to the oven

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Henry Cruz
Henry Cruz

I'm almost done reading Decline of the West, what's good to follow it up with? I was considering Evola.

Luke Walker
Luke Walker

He was absolutely right, but not even he could have predicted leftwingers and kikes flooding countries with shitskins to enact a sick mutt slave one world government. Heed his warnings because things are going to get worse than even Spengler imagined.

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Oliver Jones
Oliver Jones

I agree with this user. Reading Menander's Plays and Fragments revealed what I had suspected to be true. That humans are exactly the same as their ancient forbearers.

Jaxson Ward
Jaxson Ward

Glubb, he is a good companion to Spengler, but as an Anglo, he is unsurprisingly materialist in his analysis.

Samuel Harris
Samuel Harris

This is where my fear is coming from, it's seems (((they))) have hijacked the life cycle of our civilization and what they are going to replace it with is going to be an abomination of the highest order.

Mouse Universe
pic related

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Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

He's probably referring to Toynbee

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Camden Wright
Camden Wright

"groups with" is not the same as "is"
Don't talk about shit you haven't read and refuse to comprehend

James Jenkins
James Jenkins

I'm almost done reading Decline of the West, what's good to follow it up with? I was considering Evola.
If you're new to Evola, I would recommend starting with Revolt against the Modern World or Men among the Ruins for a better understanding of his viewpointthese were earlier works, which needs to be borne in mind, although the most cited tome here is Ride the Tiger, which was written at a time where Evola had realized that direct resistance was pointless.

I highly recommend Rene Guenon'sclose friend of Evola and fellow perennialist "The Crisis of the Modern World, a short read at under 200 pages, follow up with The Reign of Quantity'', which is considerably heavier.

I have included all three books for anyone who is interested.
Ride the Tiger
Men among the Ruins
Crisis of the modern world
The Reign of Quantity (don't start with this)

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Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

makes me think he probably did try to rape the wife and she fought him off as well

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

Yup. Now I remember the story of Joseph and his coat of many colors being beaten into my skull since I was a little boy that got a big book of Bible stories for Christmas. (What a disappointment that was for a 5 year old. Creepy bearded men wearing bedsheets and sandals with lots of camels.) The story always leaves out all the inexplicable evil that he did after his brothers sold him off. Even searching for the full story of this supposedly audacious brigand it's almost impossible to get the full story. They want to hide the evil that is the jew.

But if you read the full story there it all is laid out in black and white for you, a blueprint of their program; they're treacherous weaklings that use your pity to insinuate themselves into your society then they take over, enslave you all with debt and in the end they take your children for god knows what purposes.

Benjamin Parker
Benjamin Parker

Rofl, so you happy to have (((them))) grouped with farmers? The only thing (((they))) farm is misery. But you already know that, right Rabbi?

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Eli Butler
Eli Butler

Spengler published his work well after 1909.

Whatever he was, he might have been a positive tempering force for the national socialists, who must have been offended that he didn't buy all the bullshit.

Yep. Even otday, there's the Jew that works for israel, separate from the jew that spreads typically western degeneracy. The latter has systematically American origins. We now know Jews were used by elites through history who needed dirty deeds done dirt cheap against their own people, why would people think this old trick ever stopped being used? It never stopped working, after all.

With a little luck you might be right. Rituals like observance of the sabbat is about playing the role of farmer of souls, as opposed to the people who have been sowed, grown and will eventually be harvested at the end of the cycle (apocalypse, final judgment, …). The attitude of producing nothing and staying close but set-aside from their fellow humans is that of the gardener, who sees no shame in expecting the olives, not his own veins, to produce the oil. "Effendi" indeed.

Gabriel Brooks
Gabriel Brooks

Someone here a few weeks ago said that Nietzsche wasn't a philosopher; he was a writer who composed aphorisms. Spengler is a philosopher,
Spengler is about comparing societies, seeking their common physiology, then analyzing their characteristic differences. I don't see that in Nietzsche
You have it backward. That would make Spengler and Acedemic and Nietzsche a philosopher. The difference is that philosophers seek wisdom (not (((gnosis))) but wisdom) and make apphroimis
A tersely phrased statement of a truth or opinion; an adage. synonym: saying.
A brief statement of a scientific principle.
While Academics are essentially movie critics. Spengler is a history critic. Critics don't create, they debate.
And that's why 99% of Zig Forums now has been left to Jewish critics and their (((Esoterics))) and meme magick instead of meme magic. They critisize and try to build conjecture and confirmation bias. (((They))) long Spengler, Serrano, and Evola
the West will die, goy. Ride that tiger to your doom and receive esoteric new age enlightement

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Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

Oswald Spengler: Prophet or Shitposter?
Stopped reading there, he is not a prophet nor a shitposter.
YOU are the shitposter nigger, Spengler was a genius.

Eli Ross
Eli Ross

well….. he was kind of a prophet tbh.

Dominic Baker
Dominic Baker

Thanks, I'll get to it.

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Asher Diaz
Asher Diaz

look how i'm trying to blackpill you all with the new "Zig Forums is dead" anti-meme.
kys

Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

phoenicians
cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/07/18/a-brief-history-of-spookery/comment-page-1/

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Carson Clark
Carson Clark

firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/

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Robert Anderson
Robert Anderson

all you need to know is race mixing ends civilizations.
race mixing is caused by the jews
why wouldnt we need to know that?
are you one of them?

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Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

Modern history is still young, we need to be the phoenix of tomorrow and build the civilization that will safe guard itself from Judaism and its ideologies, but most importantly race mixing.
modern history is kikery, our golden age was the middle ages
phoenix
freemasonic symbology, are you a shitmason?
why dont you die to get reborn along with the kikes you worship?

pic:
one doesnt understand absolutely anything to modern civilization if one doesnt admit that it is a conspiracy against any form of inner life

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Ryan Davis
Ryan Davis

Because Spengler got destroyed in 1909 by
But his works came out way later you fag.

Noah Young
Noah Young

humanity would sink into eternal darkness
this is well underway
we already lost our future: no more space conquest, only A.I., slavery and genetic dumbing down thanks to jewish science, tech and power

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Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

would be fun to tie that up to danny vendramini's neanderthal predation theory
wouldnt it fit nicely?
homo-something learned "modern" language by being pressured into a generation bottleneck by neanderthal predation, just like it learned a bunch of things vendramini lists and also had some physical traits selected for
then remember the jews have higher neanderthal content

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Brayden Rogers
Brayden Rogers

That's why it's called the Holocaust; x amount of Jews were sacrificed
except they were not
lots of goyim were though all throughout the 20th century and it goes on today with racemixing and niggerinvasion, not to mention black on white crime in the USA

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Blake Hall
Blake Hall

At this rate, even if they succeed against us, they will rule a poisoned, urban-industrial hellscape of stupid, ugly niggers.
ultimately as demiurge worshipers who made a deal with him they wouldn't rule over anything as the archons would wipe out everything as soon as they get the chance

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Jeremiah Butler
Jeremiah Butler

"Space conquest" is dystopian kike fantasy you fucking retard. We did not lose it, it was never possible. It is the fevered dreams of monsters who have no place in this world, desperately clinging to the hope that one day everything natural will be destroyed and they can be happy in a purely artificial world.

Nolan Howard
Nolan Howard

linear-progressive.
marx's is messianic/utopian of course as a big kike or rather a nom de plume for the rothschilds
it all goes and aims to the coming of the messiah and the promise of universal rulership of kikes upon the earth which is only am ask for the demiurge/chief archons' agenda, see

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Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

flat earfer?
fine, then imagine whatever better times would be like under the dome but are not because of kikery
the point is that under a scientific universe paradigm we are losing the ability to leave planet earth and turning it into a dystopian prison instead in which we will be altered even genetically to be unable to ever grow and escape anymore from the kikeprison
that's what our current tech "progress" is entirely geared toward, have you noticed?
more control and less inner life
genetics, communications, A.I…. all these are tools of control ande alienation
they're a bottling up on earth instead of real progress and expansion
that's my point
remember the future of the 50s? flying cars and space exploration
now it's A.I. and microchips

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Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

if you understand basic physics you are a flat earther
Sick pilpul rabbi.

Oliver Bailey
Oliver Bailey

No, it was Glubb.

Blake Reed
Blake Reed

OH RIGHT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
EINSTEIN THE JEWISH ZIONIST RETARD TOLD YOU SO
GOOD GOY
what are wormholes
what are parallel universes that are being worked on rn in quantum computing
what are twin universes
BUT NO IM SURE YOU CANT TRAVEL ANY FASTER THAN C JUST LIKE YOU CANT TAKE A TRAIN WITHOUT YOUR LUNGS COLLAPSING OR STONES CANT FALL FROM THE SKY
YEAH BASIC PHYSICS INDEED

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Andrew Cooper
Andrew Cooper

the speed of light isn't real
giving kikestein credit for the speed of light
pretending wormholes are not science fiction
And here I thought you were just an idiot who bought into kike fantasy, not an actual yid.

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

Yes.>>13399254
ultimately as demiurge worshipers who made a deal with him they wouldn't rule over anything as the archons would wipe out everything as soon as they get the chance

They may just want to incinerate everything with their Tikkun Olam. There's a very nasty nihilism at the core of all this jewish shit. The Holy of Holies of their abbatoir slaughterhouse temple is…nothing…it's an empty room.

Nathaniel Young
Nathaniel Young

remnantradio.org/Archives/audio/TM2009/Texe marrs 3009 - Pyramid Mysteries of the Atom Bomb.mp3

Noah Wood
Noah Wood

remnantradio.org/Archives/audio/TM2009/TM2009.htm