There's no relief in sight for them, june is shaping up to be a bizarre month of cold temps and storms again and things will just slowly become more and more bleak until the ball drops in fall when the harvest and therefore, bills and debts are due. The last time America suffered something on this scale was in the 1980s, the total implosion of the rural heartland and it's abandonment by the government was the background event that quietly pushed enough desperate, embittered white men into political radicalism and gave rise to the militia movement of the late 80s and early 90s.
Judging by what was done in 2016, with enthusiastic support for the guy who is deliberately stoking this to blockbust every independent farmer in the country on behalf of jewish real estate, I'd say the next step is probably going to be donning official IDF uniforms and scour the countryside for White holdouts.
Global warming though. Man made though. Cows did it.
Jeremiah Foster
But but but but but but but never ending drought! Muh glubba schwarma! lol
Christopher Davis
Eco facost communes now. Buy up these farms and form communes. This is our best way forward.
Ayden Gomez
Good. Most farmers around here own hundreds or thousands of acres. It's impossible to afford more than a half acre of land because of these faggots. They get all kinds of handouts and subsidies too. Always driving around in the new model diesel dually pulling their ATVs and other toys.
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John Sanchez
Suggestion. 300lbs of dried goods (wheatberries best) per person per year in a few buckets(45lbs each). If you are at least one year covered you can get thru several years easily enough with other food filler should shit get to crazy. If you live in a city, or within three days travel when shit tits up, you need this or you are at the mercy of people whom hate you, and if one of us becomes a warlord in your AO you are likely to be cut off as most of our men will use water and food as the main way of culling enemies in a city rather than wasting resources going direct.
Having a fallback base supply means you don't have to panic and react to fill short term needs, instead focusing on important supply runs or escape. Also, if people are going hungry, start going hungry yourself and only eat enough to survive, make sure you stay hungry. Other hungry people will pick up on the guy(s) whom are not going without, lack of gaunt face, dangerous hungry eyes and no desperation, all signs of someone whom has something you want. So remember to blend in, might suck but at least you can survive while they die off. Remember to watch for these same signs, once they are really starving humans go lethargic and stop moving much, but until severe starvation humans get angry and very mean as hunger drives the animal response to feed into the forefront.
300lbs per person per year. We are close to open war at this point even if this farm thing is nothing, corporate farms will sell their product overseas over domestic even without kike influence if it isn't profitable to sell here. So keep stocked and get ready. We don't have many years left if any left at all.
Can't wait. Think of all the land for sale, think of the opportunities for actual farmsteads.
What the media calls "Farmer" is not what a Farmer truly is.
Owen Phillips
use the word "whom" correctly or just don't use it
Jacob Johnson
Let them fail. They are the #1 thing keeping people sick. Monsanto and the rest of the jew industry are just a drop in the bucket to the faggots growing the food and dumping the poisons on it, killing the environment, and ensuring nutrient deficient food gets fed to the world for a few shekels.
James Morris
The amount of rainfall is irrelevant. The amount or rainfall the soil is capable of infiltrating and storing is what matters. If farmers stopped sucking the agricorps dicks and actually got their heads in the game maybe they'd figure out how to regenerate and properly manage their lands.
Needz moah global warning. They are subsidized regardless of crop yield.
James Sanchez
Chem trails scattering/blocking solar radiation
Ethan Gray
That's what you get for being Monsanto's bitch and ruining your soil. Now cows will have to eat grass instead of your GMO corn garbage. Maybe the obesity rate will go down without so much high fructose bullshit in the food. Maybe sperm counts will rise without all of the soybean oil. Mmmm… yummy glyphosate.
reminder to start your own garden
Grayson Nelson
learn to look over your nose or shut the fuck up
Caleb Clark
The eye watering amount in subsidies farmers and the ag sector get including ridiculous tax writes off so they can buy a hundred thousand dollar pick up truck means I couldn't give a damn about them. I've been growing my own since 88 and they can shove that soy shit they put into everything processed these days they can't ship to China straight up their ass.
Productive farm farmed by the owners association. It pays the already low ag taxes, and people can in a communal setting that share political ideas. Established communities can form new colonies or bootstrap ideological compatriots around the country and world like the hutterites, mennonites, amish, etc. Green revolution ag going away is a blessing in disguise. Return farming to communities and people instead of corporate chemical waste dumps.
Caleb Sanchez
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Jeremiah Turner
Do you realize that the shear amount of invasive weed species in North America is so bad that if people stopped spraying them with chemicals they would completely take over, making it impossible to grow any reasonable amount of food crops? They are virtually unkillable without using chemicals. Some of them have roots that go over 20 feet deep and they have seeds that can remain dormant for over 10 years. Birds and deer eat the seeds and then poop them out in different areas. If you miss spraying the spots before they go to seed, that means spraying that spot for up to 10 years to make it go away. This is just a small microcosm of the problems farmers face, not to mention the outrageously priced farm equipment and that crops are selling for the same prices they were in the 1980s. Big corporate farms aren’t going to fail. Only small family farms will go under, making the food sources even more centralized and “poisoned”. Then you have people like AOC who want to completely stop using fossil fuels and hamper cattle production. There is no way modern farming is possible without using diesel tractors. You cannot have solar powered tractors. That is physically impossible.
This is false. The invasive weeds are thriving off some (usually human made) factor that makes them more desirable. I'll just use Kudzu as an example. Kudzu thrives on high sunlight, poorly draining, compacted, low organic soil. The south had all three of these in high abundence thanks to years of cotton, tabacco, and other crops that required high water and intensive agriculture. You get rid of those by actually taking care of the soil and kudzu all but disappears. It won't go extinct in the south because it is well adapted to high humid areas. EVERY "weed" (weed is any plant that is unwanted, including trees if you didn't want them) follows the same natural laws. You get rid of whatever is making them thrive and they will move on. All three of the weeds you have pictures are called Pioneer species. They are specifically adapted to poor conditions are are int he process of healing the land so it can slowly revert back to forest. Stop trying to kill them, and help them heal your god damn soil. Their seeds are irrelevant if the ideal conditions to thrive are not present.
Big corp farms can and will fail. they require a constant stream of petrol products to remain afloat. Any permaculture/horticulture/organic buzz word farm far outpace them in productivity when you take in ALL products they produce and not just the one tiny crop of X they produce vs the mono desert big AG relies on. Efficiency is the natural winner in all things. "Modern" farming is just a bloated mess of bullshit that is completely unneeded. AOC is a kike puppet who needs spawn camped in minecraft, but that is besides the point at hand. (CO2 emissions are actually good for plants: see Greenland icecore data on global temp and co2 levels (protip: no correlation)) Tractors are a very useful tool and do not need to go away. Its all the poisons and false "nutrients" they dump onto fields. Cattle don't need to be forcefed. you can herd them into a paddock and rotate them around. See Joel Salatin at Polyface Farms for a successful model.
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Samuel Powell
What do you care about someone using whom incorrectly, dipshit? Go fuck yourself.
Jace Williams
That is one weed. There are dozens and dozens of different invasive weeds. The three I posted are the ones I deal with. They do not go away if the soil is improved. They will grow in fucking sandstone, in rocks, and where no other kind of plant can possibly grow. They grow in places where nothing has ever been planted, where the soil has never been worked.
Stop trying to kill them? Take care of our soil? Some of our neighbors are lazy, they make no effort to kill the weeds…and they spread more and more each year. No one has ever planted crops or sprayed in the places it grows…so how in the fuck is the soil damaged? These plants come from Europe, where there are naturally occurring insects that keep them under control. These insects are not in North America, and no one wants to offer any kind of permanent solution to the problem. People are making too much money selling the spray that people have to buy every year.
Oh no, the poor (((soybeans))) and (((high fructose GMO cornsyrup))). It's a literal shoah!
Caleb Smith
Meatvats, fuckers. Ol’ Man Zeus is doing you a favor. Seize the transition and power through.
See if we can print vegetables, too. Declining soil quality took a shit on the nation’s nutrition, and we may have lost some of our energy to that.
Christian Cruz
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Austin Allen
Good Fuck boomer farmers and their boomer parents. They should be happy that they get their land fertilized and replenished with nutrients like this (rain/flood) every so often, they are just too stoopid (see: boomers) to realize this.
Camden Bennett
Serious about the meatvats here. You think farmers can’t do it? Think of all the trailer park meth labs. Those people could be operating vatmeat facilities with retraining - or being janitors for them with no retraining at all.
Weather is threatening to throw people out of work and off their land? That’s famtastic, fam. Cheap land and people seeking new employment. We just have to be ready to go widescale on a new form of employment.
Brandon Ross
Go home bot you're drunk
Adam Harris
Its damaged because it has zero organic matter in it. Get it tested. You need to increase the water retention, the soil cover, or get some shade in. Even if you just abandon a lot, the land will degrade if no input is applied, rain water still flows top soila nd nutrients away, the sun still bakes the soil, driving water away and bleeching any nutrients and preventing small animals from working the soil (worms, microbes, fungi). It takes hundreds of years for a plot of land to return to forest naturally. Sandstone is literally the definition of poor soil. its just compacted sand incapable of retaining water. They WILL go away if the soil is improved, It takes atleast a year to see improvement usually, but it will improve if you actually try to improve it. Plant legumes to fix nitrogen into the soil, fix some sort of root plant like radishes to till the soil, plant clover to shade the soil and mulch them all to increase organic matter. Animals are a very quick solution to fix a location. Goats, Cows, Sheep, they all till the soil, eat the weeds, and fertilize the soil with manure. Bring in chickens after them so they can spread the manure out and eat any bugs living in the piles.
All three of your pictures show signs of abuse. No ground cover, no shade and poor water retention, and the steam is probably run off from farms and is polluted with nitrogen that those plants thrive off of nor do they have any animals actively grazing them to increase organic matter in the soil. It also looks like that steam is running rather quick and eroding the bank, causing it to be murky with silt, preventing water plants from thriving, and aquatic animals from thriving. Every plant and location is different. I do not know your area, the plants that live there, or the condition of your soil. We have the same problems at waterways here. Huge farm run off causing all sorts of problems with weeds or algae blooms. When the dry season hits all the invasive species die from lack of rain and with no animals to eat them (and nobody wants to mow there) they just sit and have to oxidize away before something else can grow there. You don't have to take my word or argue back and forth. Read one of the books i listed above. they're cheap and explain the concept far better than i could.
Give people new things to do. Turn them from their accustomed ways and fit them in to a new society. We can take a Great Leap Forward! Backyard meatvats throughout the nation!
I’m nooot being totally serious, buuut I also mostly don’t drink, lol. I bought a bottle of rum this year and haven’t finished it yet.
Michael Moore
Those “flowers” are toxic to cattle. If they are baled into hay and the cows eat them, the cows get sick and die. But why bother explaining these things.
Google leafy spurge and read about it. It will thrive in the healthiest, best soil in America. The bugs are the only way to permanently control it, and good luck getting them to do that. Bindweed and Canadian thistle are exactly the same. If you think the solution is that simple, you need to tell weed control groups all over America about how to fix the problem. They will pay you tens of thousands of dollars for a solution.
Connor White
*good luck getting them to allow that
Hudson Jenkins
You know full well getting an alphabet agency to do anything against the plan is fruitless. Might aswell tell them about fluoride, or wifi radiation. A brief lookup of the leafy spurge say sheep will eat it over grass. Sounds like you have a good source of sheep food and not a weed problem.
Jonathan Sullivan
Leafy spurge goes away with goats and sheep, add them to a pasture with your hose and cows and they will keep the weed in check. Kinda like in nature. Blindweed has a very deep taproot, you know what that means? It pulls valuable nutrients from deep in the ground up to the top soil and deposits its detritus, making the soil healthier. 9/10 time such hardy deep digging plants provide rare nutrients that have been stripped from topsoil from over farming. canadian thistle is an edible weed, considering the topic of this thread, this is anything BUT an weed you don't want around. While you may have to train your cows and horses to eat it, once they do its an exceptionally nutrient dense food source for them and even humans since their spines are utterly harmless. Again, sheep and goats love it.
So I am assuming ass mad user is mono culture farming. Exactly what is killing us off in service of the yids. None of these sound like an bad plant if managed correctly. Leafy spurge may be the worst since it can harm cows, but intermixing goats or sheep while rotating them would ensure the cows wouldn't ever bother since it would be the last thing they would bother eating.
I fail to see an problem with these plant. Hell, add kudzu into the mix and you have a field that could feed your family without any more input from yourself for years until the soil is fixed and other wild plants 'invade' the field.
Ryan Perry
Quantum Leap was a good show. Stargate was maybe better in some ways. Drimk bier bc european. Rum is for island negers.
So weed your land. The spread of trees and bear shit isn't a problem for you so don't make your weeds mine. Fellow rockies dweller. Weed-free hay in the national forest only, user. Don't forget.
William Davis
This. and fuck you i'm no fed nigger you faggot
Nicholas Watson
We have sheep here. Sheep can eat it over and over for years and it will grow back. Look at the roots. Put sheep in a fenced in area with leafy spurge and provide them water and extra food for years and it will grow back indefinitely. It will never die that way. Those are not alphabet agencies. They are local farmers and state agencies put in charge of trying to get it under control along roads.
You are retarded if you think there is some simple quick fix that no farmer has thought of and implemented in decades. Go ahead and try to sell your brilliant ideas to people affected by these problems. They are worth money (if they actually have any kind of effect).
That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
You all need to buy land and start farming, since everyone that is currently doing it is completely ignorant of how to really get it done. You are sure to make great profits.
Michael Clark
I highly that you are all growing enough food to feed yourselves and your families this year. Close to 20-30% of the globes crops have failed last year (that is a lot of hungry mouths that aren't going to get fed). No one is selling food to other nations or exporting anymore. Many of the crops that were damaged like orchard and tree crops (oil, almonds, peaches) where damaged permanently (for crops like oil and almonds that means 5-10 years before production comes back) and that is if everything from now on goes swimmingly and perfectly with no more losses or damage (not likely). What are foods to grow? Sweet potatoes, potatoes, squash, corn, beans…forget all the low cal crap (tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers, etc). Go high cal and get prepared. If you have ever eaten MRE's for a week you will pretty much kill for fresh food. In the map provided many of these 'trade relations' don't exist anymore due to the collapse of food exports.
If we actually did the Meatleap as agricultural policy, we’d produce huge amounts of waste meat to produce high-value clean proteinous compost with which to fix the soil.
Cameron Miller
Great Leap Forward was a Maoist industrialization policy that tried to teach smelting to peasants.
Ryder Diaz
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Juan Garcia
So your saying leafy spurge is an ideal food stock for sheep with an near unlimited supply of ever growing resupply…… Just add water…. sounds sustainable and no fix needed. In fact, it sounds far more intelligent doing this than growing most other mono cultures which require babysitting to survive. The only people affected by these problems are fools whom don't look outside the poison the land faggots and mono culture high intensity farming method. You might not like that since you seem enamored with maximizing profit.
Camden Campbell
Isn't that why most of us are in this thread rooting for collapse? I certainly can't afford the millions they want for the most abused acreage. And I'm not selling you a quick fix no farmer has thought of. Plenty of farmers have thought of them, but apparently the rest of the boomers with land would rather do it the shitty way they have been doing it. I don't care if they go under doing their inefficient and ultimately damaging "farming". I'm already rooting for their collapse so land becomes available for people ready to try natural farming methods. Really. I've already linked multiple books and keywords for you to look up. If you want to wallow in self pity about having problems you can solve but no poison to dump on it. that's your problem. I'm not going to force feed you redpills.
Ian Richardson
You don't want kudzu to go extinct fag. It is a edible starvation crop…meaning you can eat it in an emergency. Those who know how to process it and have a ready source will never starve. Kudzu is a god send for the South in troubled times. It is only because people are too fucking stuck up that it is not eaten more regularly. FREE FOOD MAN…in the event of an emergency Americans would starve in the land of plenty.
Angel Fisher
Protecting small farmers is a moral imperative. It's the right thing to do and it makes us look good.
Tyler Sullivan
There are many dicks to be sucked user. (((money))) has to be made to fit into the kikes 'civilization' and provide themselves with 'the good life'.
Jose Baker
You can buy land for 1,000/acre or 10,000/acre, or even more if you are really dumb. You can buy a small plat for 2k if you really want but you get a housing authority. It is a good start if you don't have 10-40k to buy a 10acre or 40acre square
Daniel Gray
I know nothing about any national forest grazing laws. Weed free hay is everywhere, provided you control the weeds. Fields of alphalfa irrigated by dikes that collect and store rainwater are sure to have more weed free hay for cattle that any type of forest.
People here grow “organic” crops. They do every single thing that we do, but instead of spraying the bindweed in their fields they just till deeper and let it grow. We do not use the popular method of no-till farming, where the ground is never tilled, and chemicals are sprayed across the entire field several times a year. Then air seeders are used to plant the seed. We till the fields and only spray the spots where noxious weeds come up, then plant the seed with old drills that break up the ground. All of our equipment is decades old, since a used combine can cost over 500,000 dollars and a new tractor around 400,000.
They have noxious weed classes available here, teaching people about how to control the weeds. The methods you are describing would have no effect. The common method using sheep is to have them eat the entire plant in a patch once or twice in the summer, let it grow back to a few inches, then spray it with chemicals. If you just let the sheep keep eating it, it will stop it from flowering and spreading, but then it will grow back the second the sheep leave and will start to flower the year after that.
Lucas James
If you think there are natural farming methods that have not been tried and are capable of being implemented at a scale larger than a few hundred acres you are mistaken.
Doing horticulture, permaculture, etc would work great if our system was set up for people to provide food for their own local communities…but it isn't. Everything is at a national/global scale and the only way to make a profit is to do what everyone else is doing…and it is getting much harder to make a profit for anyone that isn't a huge company.
Small scale farmers will be the first to go. Huge agribusiness will take over, and then it will be a long time before we run out of easily accessible oil, but when we do billions of people will likely starve. If you want to get an idea about what will likely happen this book is a good start.
Malthusian collapse user. The good news is that it will probably go very quickly for most of the world's population. Book looks interesting.
Brody Long
Most American farmland is watered using aquifer water. All this rain will replenish those aquifers. More water in aquifers means less drought for the foreseeable future. Production of staples will skyrocket after this.
Nicholas Davis
I am not saying that modern farming practices are the most efficient or sustainable. Using fertilizer made from petrochemicals and chemicals isn’t good. The only point I am making is that the invasive weed species are not going to go away ‘on their own’ by just ‘healing the soil’. They are here to stay and any solution that does not involve chemicals does not work. Trying to bring in the European insects to plant on them could work, but they are not here naturally like in Europe. They would only work well in the local areas where large patches of the weeds are already present. Then the bugs would eat, get into the soil and breed. To get them to spread all over the United States, you would almost have to let the noxious weeds spread everywhere, then release the bugs (not at all practical). Some problems can not be fixed by naturalist hippys.
Cameron Richardson
Animals, Ag ganius. Animals… For fuck sake are you really that dense? Do you know how much meat could be produced and how how that would actually improve the land year after year.
Look into Regenerative Agriculture. Rotational grazing. God made the world perfect. Everything works if you get smart and quit trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
Isaiah Russell
If you have animals and pasture land you will always be rich and well fed. As long as you protect your land, both martially and ecologically. This type of existence also lends itself to family cohesion and growth.
Landon Morales
Half of all the grain that is grown is used to feed animals in factory farms. You think you can grow more meat by just not growing the grains and letting sheep and goats eat invasive fields full of invasive weed species that take over entire swaths of land and prevent all other types of plants and grasses from growing? These plants are not naturally occurring. They completely take over areas and destroy biodiversity.
I suppose you think the Asian Carp is a boon for American fish production. They breed like crazy and the river is full of them…the only downside is that they eat all of the other fish, with destroys entire ecosystems connected to those fish. But there would be tons of Asian carp meat…until they all died from starvation after destroying the environments they have taken over.
Building sustainable agriculture is a good thing, but it can’t fix the problems that have been ignored for so long and allowed to fester so badly.
Levi Smith
better news is that there isn't a single ton of grain in the US strategic reserve. it's just money. although realistically there are giga-tons of civil reserve grain and we can order from other countries. there will still be stress on food infrastructure this winter especially in the concrete jungles.
James Jenkins
if the fish die by themselves then what's the problem? in the mean time you can eat as many of them as you like there is no need to be concerned man
Daniel Gutierrez
b u m p because i really like eco/ag threads here the salvation of the race begins with food
Go fucking read a book. People that know little to nothing about problems telling the people that have to deal with them on a regular basis that they are either not problems at all, or that there are all kinds of simple solutions that basically cause the problems to fix themselves.
Henry Richardson
Damn cows. I hate them so much. I'll eat even more of them now. That is my part in the climate war.
Landon Cook
Stopped reading right there.
Luis Hall
Harm induced by invasive species is ludicrously overstated by game and fish deparments who extort tax dollars to protect inedible, useless native fish. That's exactly what they're doing here in Arizona, clearing out all the Largemouth and catfish and carp so Roundtail Chubs can rebound their population, despite the fact it's illegal to even keep them and you can only fish for them with a non-barbed hook in catch and release.
The guy is completely right. If you think removing actual food stores just so you can have some native grass too look at isn't a scam perpetrated against you, you're dumb as a rock.
Jaxon Ramirez
op is kike shill
Adam Smith
I'm concerned about their not planting crops yet but why has nobody pointed out that's not how supply/demand works
They're facing a crisis because they're getting out-paced by private vertical farms utilizing automation. Fuck these mexispic importers they're just looking for more gov't hand outs.
Samuel Kelly
Theres not really many such farms out there.
Asher Brown
NYC is being supplied by these exact farms in NJ aerofarms.com/
Christian Russell
Is this using jew numbers from importing feed grains and not growing feed grass yourself? Of course it is because "environmental impact" is completely zero if they use sustainable agriculture that doesn't depend on the kike industry. Beef, Lamb, Pork, Goats, Chickens and probably Turkeys can all graze on the same land because they don't eat the same things. Your feed numbers are irrelevant to any sustainable farmer. The fish numbers are equally bullshit to anyone integrating water features such as ponds, because you need the fish to eat the various "weeds" and pest bugs that soil the waterways. These numbers are only a scare tactic to keep the money flowing in big AG
Why not figure out how to eat them instead? Dont fight nature when its helping you. Thistle is edible and cant be worse than modern wheat. Fucking try hards have no imagination.
Andrew Bailey
You are making bullshit arguments. No, a sustainable farm cannot use the same acre of land that shits out low nutrient beef and expect them to be matched for beef production. That is NOT what is happening here. a sustainable farm will make a portion of the beef, on the same acre, but they will also have a whole list of side products coming off that same acre that completely negate what the factory farm can shit out. The shit lagoon farm cannot grow anything but force fed cows. A sustainable farm gets lower cows, but also gets chickens, eggs, tree products, oddball bullshit like bamboo, various herbs, various crops as they build the soil. Really the list of things that can use the land for in ADDITION to just cows is endless as the farmers imagination.
I highly doubt NYC is being supplied entirely by this company.
Jonathan Moore
All animals need supplemental feed unless you have unlimited space/money user. The numbers are not 'bullshit' they are simply showing what is the most profitable in terms of food conversion. Fish are the most profitable. They take up very little space/indoor or outdoor, they can be vertically farmed, meaning things can grow above them (I am going to have a pond with fish a deck above it and mushrooms above that with other crops above that, with living creatures above that with insects above that with birds above that). That pool is nice but you either have unlimited funds or you are living in a fantasy land. When you create an artificial ecosystem you have to FEED what you put into it until it stabilizes. ROI fish are best and probably healthiest for you. Followed by less mobile animals leading up to the heavy feeders (it just takes a lot of calories to move something that large around with gravity user…unlike fish who take almost no calories due to a lack of gravity pressure and warm blood). I have seen land where they are all grazed on the same acreage and it is stripped to the bone user, nubs of grass are all that is left. Most people on Zig Forums are not millionaires, unlike you…WE HAVE TO THINK and be clever about what we have as a food resource. Something like catfish can literally be grown in a barrel and this is better for people who are not millionaires or have to get by without unlimited funds. Picts are not related to my place because they are inefficient and retarded arrangements but you get the idea. Vertical farming doesn't mean what the mega millionaire kikes think it does when they close their eyes and jerk off to money. Everything should be stacked and all systems should be interlaced. To use land for 'grazing' something is flat out close to a retarded use of space where things could be roaming free without care and be much healthier than anything you might artificially engineer (except for high density engineered secure food) everything should be wild and left to its own devices. You wanna eat red meat go hunt and kill a wild oxen or a deer. Anything less is dysgenic.
Supplied with something utterly worthless like 'lettuce' since that is all that will really grow in that system…things without any real caloric value.
Michael Johnson
Nah you could easily grow stuff like potatoes, mushrooms, carrots, etc like this.
Dylan Gray
Easily…right user. Not even close with some of the systems I have researched. Show picts. I don't think it will work.
Carter King
Mushrooms Ok…since that is what I am already doing…but carrots and potatoes, user?
Robert Stewart
Go look it is always worthless low calorie low nutrient density food…basically they are growing fucking 'water' for people to consume.
Angel Jenkins
You can grow mushrooms in that thing?
How?
Christian Cox
Good on you for implementing some of it then. But i still do not agree. Your fish will not act like a herd of anything and till the soil or make certain nutrients available for the plants. None of that requires funds. It is all using avaible resources, not buying your way to an easy victory. Yes land needs stabilized and often needs new "food" imported to help, but its not necessary. Pioneer species of plants all supply what you need, you just needs to enable it and speed things up with proper rotations. At most you buy seeds. Grazing is NOT retarded at all. You shouldn't convert large portions of land to a graze, but you can easily support a small clearing in a food forest for grazing. Frankly you can grow bamboo and sell the wood, put let the cattle eat the leaves first. its just grass, and makes use of vertical space at transition boundries. They still get to roam, as ideally you have multiple acres for them to roam, but yes i agree the wild solution is better. just not very efficient for a population. Also your overgrazing blurb is irrelevent. sustainable agriculture does not let them overgraze, they get rotated periodically. And no it doesn't need man power. you literally open the door and the cows move to the next still lush pasture. They will not stay in the place they just stripped of greens for long.
Lincoln Anderson
A massive meatvat expansion might drastically reduce the need for those feedstocks, mitigating the price fluctuation from those crops seeing reduced yield this year. The Great Meatleap calls in logic.
People on Earth are just dumb primitives, clinging to the ancient ways of retardation. That’s why societies exhausting their soil and collapsing is a recurrent cycle. We should consider the surplus meat composting idea seriously as a way of mitigating an existential risk factor in the nuclear era.
Jeremiah Lopez
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Ryder Murphy
I still find it really funny that someone owned themselves on a supposedly political forum thinking “Great Leap Forward” was a Quantum Leap reference. Y’all might not be broken bigot-slaves screaming in sociopolitical agony if you weren’t slaves of the popular culture.
Embrace new ways. Try strategies not yet tried, and deepen human knowledge of the sciences.
There is much talk of space and sustainability here. By concentrating agricultural output into force-growth mechanisms, a dramatic condensation can be achieved in terms of real estate. That means more space for the environment.
The price of meat plunging under the price of vegetables would also likely make people thinner, and if the new excess meat composting strategy worked the restoration of soil nutrients would definitely make the consumers of a nation’s crops healthier.
Charles Mitchell
CORRECT
Easton Taylor
Also this is so ridiculously unsustainable that it is a fucking joke. Do you all know how often those light bulbs need to be changed out? This is the worst model of vertical farming that could ever be conceived. It is like a kike took the idea of permaculture and turned it into a crack whore.
I am not trying to be obtuse user. I think we simply see things differently when it comes to 'possessing' animals. Fish, the only animal that should ever be possessed for their ROI will act fantastic in their ponds just like our cattle will act in their fields. There will be crayfish and shrimp and other water animals as well. With my system there is plenty of food for my extended family and then some while at the same time that leaves all open fields for wild animals. I don't believe in slavery and what you are talking about at its most core level is slavery. Cattle slavery, but slavery nonetheless. I believe that the standards we wish to be upheld for ourselves must be upheld for all of Life to make it as reasonable and healthy for all animals. Also, Natural Law the weak die and the strong survive. How much better off would our race have been had we stuck to this principle? It is not 'irrelevant' user. Some people are not 'made out of fucking money' to purchase all the land in the world and some environments are simply poorer than others.
with that grazing comment…most certainly I would have done it differently than the people I observed with that system…starting with not doing it, but if I had to do it I would have rotated their grazing into smaller parcels without letting them all graze together. Meaning it would have been cattle then chickens then turkey then sheep then goats then rest then repeat. Not a free for all with all the animals in one pasture.
Justin Smith
But naaah, we’re all supposed to be retarded dancing sociopaths screaming and laughing about how useless and doomed our whole “race” is, prideless niggers fighting prideless aryans, in a species too weak to be strong…
Inclusivity gives access to new ideas. Some of them become means by which we cease to be so vulnerable to “Weather”. Yet if we are hateful tardragers projecting hatred onto each other, we won’t learn such things, and our “races” will continue suffering in famines.
The Enslaved Masters use these fluctuations to conceal their vampiric hostility to all welfare; they set new foundations for prices. The leadersheep also whine about the consequences of suffering nations who breed in poverty, but they bring it about, for they too have not the maturity to move beyond primitive scream-suffering on to new ideas. The potential of a better world frightens them if that world is not exactly as they have previously imagined it would be; first world leadership has grown slower than the evolution of the public, and become a deadweight in a world yearning for new ideas.
We don’t need to waste energy growing hooves, brains, and offal for our livestock; we mostly only eat the muscles. We don’t need to have declining soil quality; we can produce excellent rotstuff in a new industrial process. We don’t need agriculture to be forever encroaching on wilderness, nor to leave it all vulnerable to the uncontrollable weather; we can bring agriculture into an industrial setting.
No more factory farming. No more suffering brains, born and raised only to be consumed, in processes we would never wish to be subject to ourselves.
And think of the power! We’ll need so much electricity. Want to see microwave power plants? Nuclear modernization projects? Ongoing investments in green energy, in fusion research, in superconducting?
Join me in turning on ancient ways. Let us betray our allegiances to famine and hatred.
Levi Wilson
Yeah the use of artificial lights in this context is unnecessary when the methodology exists to pipe natural light in.
Adrian Hughes
Yeah but would you actually eat anything out of that environment? It is grossly sterile and bereft of life…they remind me of lighted coffins. The food of the dead and dying.
Gavin Robinson
Longterm user we'll have to develop artificial habitats and purely industrial farms. Eventually the Earth will be uninhabitable for one reason or another and we'll need to move out into the stars to claim the universe.
Well we'll just have to go about this in the same direction but different paths. I don't see a different between keeping cattle "slaves" vs keeping fish "slaves" nor do i see the difference between having 10 acres as "made of of money" yet your aquaculture stuff apparently exists in hammer space and doesn't take more than a square inch of room. Nevermind needing external means of power production.
David Jenkins
The freemasonic nightmare future. This movie predicted the 'blitz' and WW2 so accurately (especially as far as the bombing of London) I would suspect they were actually scripting WW2.
Well WW2 was a foregone conclusion in the minds of Britons. It was only a question of when. It did wildly overestimate the use of gas though
Easton Murphy
Jews like Krugman still act like this isn't real inflation but just market fluctuation. But even he admits that competition with developing nations is driving up food prices. Unless those nations start doing worse, food prices are not going to drop. Food inflation is real inflation, fuck the CPI!
