Pagan Equivalent of Christian Heaven & Hell

Disclaimer: I'm a Germanic Pagan. I do not speak for Slavic, Baltic and other European Pagans even though our religions are quite similar.

Our forbear had rather more realistic concept of hell and heaven than christians. According to our Germanic Pagan ancestors hell and heaven exist in the same place at the same time! Let me electorate. Imagine there are two men, one likes classical music but hates rap and the other one likes rap but can't stand classical music. If you put these two people in a same room and make them listen either rap or classical music it is going to be a hell for one person and heaven for the other one, at the same time.

If you follow the teachings of the Allfather (study the Havamal) and live a honorable life you will inherit Thule (heaven) from your ancestors so will your children. This concept of hell and heaven is then reinforced by reincarnation. If you don't want to be born again in a world you hate then work now and try to make it a better place for your kind. That's the Pagan spirit.

The more you think about it the more it makes sense. Paganism is our ethnic religion. It surely is the way to preserve our race, culture and ethnic identity. Paganism will ensure a bright future for our race.

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maryjones.us/ctexts/
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Many people have this misconception about Valhalla being the Germanic equivalent of christian heaven. But this is not the case. Any devout heathen will know this.

Think of it as your own ideal universe where everything works for your own comfort as you wish. Where you learn the secrets of life and the cosmos. Valhalla is the place where you can gain infinite wisdom but it is not permanent state.

Valhalla is not heaven because average white folks cannot go to Valhalla even if they have followed the teachings of the Allfather and lived a honorable life.

Jarl's kin who have lived a honorable life always go to Valhalla as they are chosen by Óðinn.
Karl's kin who have lived according to the teachings of the Allfather and died in good battle.

Thralls.

Óðinn sends Heimdallr known as the whitest skinned God to Earth to create a better race. His first attempt is called Trell (Thrall), but he is black, ugly and stupid, so Heimdallr pays no attention to him and keeps trying. The next result is Karl (Free Man), who had brown/red hair, is tall and strong. He is still not satisfied though, so he keeps trying. Then finally he gets a son called Jarl (ProtoNorse *EirilaR, English Earl), that is fair eyed, intelligent, beautiful and fair. Heimdallr had finally created a man who is good enough for Óðinn and Valhalla, so he teaches him and only him the secrets of the gods and Valhalla is opened up to his kin. His kin is the only one that will be let over the bridge that leads to Asgarar ("the court of the Æsir" or "the yard of the Æsir"). The others will ignite and fall down like rocks if they set their foot on this bridge, that is guarded by Heimdallr.

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The idea that God would reveal himself only to jews is preposterous. Jews (especially before they intermixed with us) were ugly, shrunken, hawk-faced little goblins. Sure you can say I'm biased towards my own race like any normal, healthy person. But even racial biases aside, the idea that God would create beautiful, artistic, and stoic peoples and then only reveal himself to the most rat-like ones is insane. Even Africans are more creative than jews.
Furthermore, the idea that once God revealed himself to the jews and not Europeans, that he would then change his mind and alter his entire religion and reveal himself to the jews again is even more silly.
Finally, the idea that God is pro-White yet based his ENTIRE religion on Judea and the lands around Judea is ridiculous to the point of insanity. Each race has its own native religions. Even the Arabs can at least boast that most of their religion is about Arab struggles in Arab lands with an Arab god, even if there's a lot of judaism/talmudism mixed in. The idea that Europeans need a middle eastern religion in order to go to a middle eastern concept of heaven is so idiotic that I would question the sincerity of any who claimed this were I not also convinced that such people exist.

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op gets gay jeebus out of 10 for his bitch thread

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*Elaborate
Fucking auto correct always causing problems.

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Read Volsupa you lower-worlder; The Nine Worlds, Black Sun its all in there. Then read RigsThula to know your place.
germanicmythology.com/PoeticEdda/Voluspa.html

Checked, and Heiled
Fucking Pedowood kikes, man. They have a permanent middle finger wagging in our fucking face at all times. I'm tired of being this pissed.
Let's remedy our tormenting pestilence already, shall we?
#SayWhenLads

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No idea about pagan interpretations, but in nature heaven represents earth, and hell being trapped in your mind.

Awesome resource. Thanks for posting.

Hilariously inaccurate. Whether you disagree with Christianity or not, it is impossible to deny that the religion takes a beating from jews, faggots, muslims, atheists and the business world in a way that NO OTHER religion does. If anything it is pagans who frequently side with faggots and kikes in their hatred of Christianity.

Christian perceptions of heaven are INCREDIBLY vague. There are notions of a new Heaven and Earth, there are notions of a 'paradise' beyond our reality, there are ideas of time ceasing as we know it, there are ideas of everything continuing more or less as it is but just with God in control, and thus it is good. There are statements about new bodies, new names and that there will be no sickness and no death. There will be a judgement day before this 'afterlife' begins. Other than that, we know nothing.

Regarding hell, we are told nothing besides there being a lake of sulphur that satan and his angels (and it is implied the jews as well) will be thrown into, and that there will be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth, and that undying worms will eat your flesh and the fires never go out.

There is no (repeated) reincarnation in Christianity, although it does imply that some people will be reincarnated in the end times. If you actually take a step back and do not take the stories entirely literally, but instead as more of an abstract; you actually see that the morals of Christianity and paganism were near enough exactly the same. Something not sure with other religions like judaism, islam or the myriad paganisms of the subhumans.

Lately I’ve been studying into German paganism as well. Especial the Divine Twins (called “the Alcis” by Tacitus). Some really interesting writings connecting them to Tiwaz/Tyr, Mannus and Tuisco (Tiwisko?).
tiwisko.wordpress.com/tag/mannus/

The mystery of the legends of our forefathers is addicting. Heed their call and rediscover them

Never heard of the Hegelian Dialectic.
Just stahp already.
Christ is destructive to the Aryan Race.
Christ is dead here.

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Don't forget to read Tacitus Germania. It is really redpilled!
gutenberg.org/files/7524/7524-h/7524-h.htm

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Wew. Christ is alive lad, that's one of the primary points of the religion. If you want to be a bunch of pagans, go for it. I love me some old myths. But if you want to fracture white people along religious lines when it is pretty much only Christians doing ANYTHING to defend our race; then you deserve a bullet alongside all the other traitors. I tire of stupidity of people trying to fracture the relatively small resistance that we have here. In our current climate, whites would be far better off without pagans if pagans are constantly going to try to attack Christianity.

It's also hilarious that your picture features people who look like niggers, native injuns and the trannies that preach pedophilia to children, as well as that ritual costume that Obama was photographed wearing; all holding hands in some sort of perverse multicultural ceremony

Náströnd

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no that is nonsense hippie varg shit, it's not real
Going to the helhome is not a bad thing, in fact most go there. However deep down there you find náströnd, it's not a place.

if anything an equalient of christian heaven that would Gimli, where does who are righteous and without betrayal go. Basically people who never wronged anyone their entire life

no exist of course
and this is a very complex and multifaceted theme. sleep. death. conscious dream. unconscious, instinctive wakefulness. visions, hallucinations, imagination, visualization. everything is very individual and chaotic today, because there is no universal tribal tradition and there will be no unity with the ancestors after the death of a dense body, most likely.
and i'm only talking about people who practice spiritual practices. the rest lose their soul, mostly. if not for one life, then for a few. and break up into elements, waves, vibrations. and this is the end for them.
they can also fall to the occultists-kabbalists in the service. or to the jews in their helleaven with mashiah yeshuah's honeypot. judeo-christianity/christians are a parasites.

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err it's not a noice place

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Elysium Fields
Hades

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And this is why pagans are not 'left alone'. You cannot help but D&C at every available opportunity. It was obvious that the OP held negative opinions of Christianity and immediately tried to highlight that, but the actual content of post pertained more to ancestor's mythology; something that I am certainly interested in.

We've hashed out the Christian positions of slave mentality, race-mixing and semitephilia so many times that no one can truly believe that Christianity would support it; at least as the faith as it was practiced up until the 1950s when groups that would be condemned as heretics at all other times managed to worm their way into authority. Now enough about Christianity in this thread. You shut the hell up with your divisive false bullshit, and allow Anons like


To actually give us some information without seeking to harm their ethnic kin.

Christianity was the original D&C, you fucking retarded, brainwashed, kike puppet. Seriously, fuck off. YOU are the reason we all go to Hell (or back here) instead of convening with our Ancestors, you fucking traitor!
Tell me again how we're the niggers, nigger. It's cute.

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Filtered for obvious kike shill.

Nice revisionist history you subscribe to, yid.
Reported for obvious subversion.

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Christianity is D&C. Always has been, and that's why when the ethnostate is established, no Christian will ever be allowed near power. First, semites will be sieved out through genetic testing, then spiritual semites will have to swear oaths to Mercury and consume food and drink sacrificed to the gods.

Paganism is doomed, good luck trying to reproduce the traditions of our elders basically recurring to human ritual sacrifice for everything and obtaining medicines from the natural and animal kingdom.

I'm here to provide you with some texts about Celts and Scythians, just ask, it's not much but it's what I have gathered so far.

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Hey, come check out the NVIXM thread, lot of sliding going on at the moment. I mean, exactly how engaging is it arguing with kikes about kike stuff?

Bump for pagan knowledge and comradery.

Your first comment was

And you accuse others of D&C?


Would love to see some of it.

Elysium:
In Homer's Odyssey, Elysium is described as a paradise:

to the Elysian plain…where life is easiest for men. No snow is there, nor heavy storm, nor ever rain, but ever does Ocean send up blasts of the shrill-blowing West Wind that they may give cooling to men.
— Homer, Odyssey (4.560–565)

And they live untouched by sorrow in the islands of the blessed along the shore of deep-swirling Ocean, happy heroes for whom the grain-giving earth bears honey-sweet fruit flourishing thrice a year, far from the deathless gods, and Cronos rules over them
— Hesiod, Works and Days (170)

The good receive a life free from toil, not scraping with the strength of their arms the earth, nor the water of the sea, for the sake of a poor sustenance. But in the presence of the honored gods, those who gladly kept their oaths enjoy a life without tears, while the others undergo a toil that is unbearable to look at. Those who have persevered three times, on either side, to keep their souls free from all wrongdoing, follow Zeus' road to the end, to the tower of Cronus, where ocean breezes blow around the island of the blessed, and flowers of gold are blazing, some from splendid trees on land, while water nurtures others. With these wreaths and garlands of flowers they entwine their hands according to the righteous counsels of Rhadamanthys, whom the great father, the husband of Rhea whose throne is above all others, keeps close beside him as his partner
— Pindar, Odes (2.59–75)

Night speeds by, And we, Aeneas, lose it in lamenting. Here comes the place where cleaves our way in twain. Thy road, the right, toward Pluto's dwelling goes, And leads us to Elysium. But the left Speeds sinful souls to doom, and is their path To Tartarus th' accurst.
— Virgil, Aeneid (6.539)

In no fix'd place the happy souls reside. In groves we live, and lie on mossy beds, By crystal streams, that murmur thro' the meads: But pass yon easy hill, and thence descend; The path conducts you to your journey's end.” This said, he led them up the mountain's brow, And shews them all the shining fields below. They wind the hill, and thro' the blissful meadows go.
— Virgil, Aeneid (6.641)

These are two in number, separated by a very narrow strait; they are ten thousand furlongs distant from Africa, and are called the Islands of the Blest. They enjoy moderate rains at long intervals, and winds which for the most part are soft and precipitate dews, so that the islands not only have a rich soil which is excellent for plowing and planting, but also produce a natural fruit that is plentiful and wholesome enough to feed, without toil or trouble, a leisured folk. Moreover, an air that is salubrious, owing to the climate and the moderate changes in the seasons, prevails on the islands. For the north and east winds which blow out from our part of the world plunge into fathomless space, and, owing to the distance, dissipate themselves and lose their power before they reach the islands; while the south and west winds that envelope the islands sometimes bring in their train soft and intermittent showers, but for the most part cool them with moist breezes and gently nourish the soil. Therefore a firm belief has made its way, even to the Barbarians, that here is the Elysian Field and the abode of the blessed which is not true, of which Homer sang.
— Plutarch, Life of Sertorius, VIII, 2

Alright:

Herodotus on the Scythians, around 400 BC:
metmuseum.org/pubs/bulletins/1/pdf/3269235.pdf.bannered.pdf

Compilation of different kinds of texts that talk about Celts (Greeks and Romans included):
maryjones.us/ctexts/

I recommend using google advanced search on the site : maryjones.us/ctexts/ for the actual keywords you might be seeking, i.e. "Druid".

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here:

Christianity was the primary reason for centuries of brutal slaughters between European peoples. 1400 years of jew worship, brother wars, religious wars that led to where we are at now. Christianity was the reason why Muslims were able to conquer parts of Europe in the first place. Christians were busy killing their own kind for following native European spirituality, then they were busy killing each other for different denominations.

Christian unity is an imaginary concept that never existed. It was with this christian unity that Spain went through 800+ Years of Arab occupation. It was with this christian unity that native Spaniards who were forcefully converted to Islam were expelled but the Africans and Jews who converted to christianity got to stay leading to corruption of the Aryan bloodline (this is exceptionally evident in southern spain). It was with christian unity that Pagan Greeks who kept invaders away from Europe for a long time got conquered by non white Ottomans. It was christian unity that allowed Jews to take over the banking industry by banning lending money with an interest for every white man but Jews. Need I go on?

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Yes, please!
NEVER STOP UNTIL THESE BRAINWASHED ARYANS SNAP OUT OF THIS KIKE STUPOR, AND CEASE STABBING THEIR OWN BLOOD AND SOIL IN THE BACK!

Not even mentioning the thirty years war, the witch burning, northern crusades and countless other bloodshed for Neo Judaic cult christianity.

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There is a religious cyclical jew.

THIS

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So you've said for 2000 years. Redneckism is here and staying, bitch tits.
Don't have to, they're preserved in spite of the church. The church couldn't excoriate our racial inheritance, so they christened our calendars, festivals, and feast days instead.
Rome outlawed human sacrifice over 1500 years before you stopped burning heretics at the stake.
oh no, and what's this have to do with anything you urban filth?

The Church has been killing Europeans over the filioque and imputed righteousness its entire lifespan. There are as many versions of real christianity as there are gods in vedic religion, but even poos can keep it together where you can't. Calling Jesus gay doesn't even compare to the damage inflicted on Europeans by Christianity. The Church has selected us to be sacrificial lambs for the jew god, and if that's what you want to be, then by all means go and die for rabbi yidsus.

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How are we supposed to preserve our traditions if they essentially require you to break multiple laws and have access to a wild fertile animal and natural kingdom genious?

Depends, most who died went to Helheim. Helheim was only described as a bad place in one commentary on the eddas, otherwise the dead were assumed to most of the shit they did while alive. Eat, sleep, sing. Baldur went to Hel, even though he was slain with a weapon and it's not like there weren't any Dis around when the god were beating the shit out of him with various weapons to see how immortal he was.

Then you had the troublesome dead. They got eaten by Garm, who might have been Fenris with another name, or Fenris' dad, a wolf 'god' regardless. If they escaped him and wandered around, they would eventually get eaten by the land wyrm Nidhogg, either a dragon, snake, or maggot-like snake that lived under the roots of the world tree.

Then you had the dead slain in battle. The Dis would pick and choose which to take for their respective war camps. Odin's Dis, the Valkyries, would take half of the worthy to Valhalla in Asgard. Freya's Dis would take her half to Folkvang in Vanaheim.

That's Norse stuff more or less. Proto Germanic religion was believed to be similar. Hence confusion over Garm/Fenris. The proto-Germanic Frijje is believed to have been corrupted into Frigg and Freya, two aspects of the Same goddess. Death spirits, the Dis reduced to Valkyries only. As to what the Nine Worlds actually were, there is a best guess for most of them, confusion for others. Helheim might have just been a territory of Neifelheim. Svartalfheim/Myrkheim/Nithavaler might have been a seperete realm(s), or part of Alfheim which had 3 different tiers.

Easy to find out about. Difficult to get consistent commentary on old legends.

Yes, I am. If you want a serious response, ask me a serious question. Show me you've made half the effort to understand.

yeah, let me know when you can answer without trying to divert attention from the main issue

Cool shit bro, what texts did you read to obtain your knowledge?

Not to interrupt the useful idiot'ing in this thread, but you are all being used to slide the NVIXM implication thread. The Bronfmans have been implicated in human trafficking and sex slavery. Normies dont like either of those, and this can be used to turn public opinion against the zionists funding all of this. If you are interested, come on over and laugh at the feds with me.