Civic Nationalism has to be destroyed. The future of our people depend upon it

There is something very dangerous to the idea of "at least it's the right direction".
It legitimizes what is happening.
If every single mainstream party was for the replacement of white people, then we would have a lot of people feel alienated and strive to replace that system.

But a party that is tapping into that energy, but doesn't offer any real political solutions or only offers temporary relief, then we lose this alienation in a large part of the population, that everyone reading this already feels.
We are already fucked. The demographic replacement is backed into the cake of any european country, except for some ex-commie countries.


is false hope. It's not going to save us. I fear this is just giving Normies a false hope. Especially wtih Cult of Personalities like Nigel Farage and Trump, who both enchanted a lot of NPCs to take their word as gospel. NPCs just support them out of emotional reasons, not any objective reasons.
People like that make a trade with the establishment. They give it some popularity back in exchange for legitimacy.
Just look at how Nigel Farage lectured people about "I told UKIP they shouldnt let extremists into the party, but sadly they didn't heed my advice." And Nigel Farage basically cucked UKIP out of becoming a nationalist, anti-immigration party and completly destroyed them. Nigel Farage isn't a team player and his Brexit Party pretty much only has him as a member. You can't even join it. It has no personell.
Trump basically sold out what he represented in 2016 to get legitimacy and make it possible for his descendents to inherit the throne. NPCs are going to support Trump's children, because they somehow have a "Trumpist" ideology, they are going to tell themselves.

I think what we went through in the Right. First being hopeful that we are becoming mainstream now and then getting cut off by Cuckservatives like an Umbilical Cord. And then because we were cut off from them, they became corrupted without our influence and assimilated largely by the system.

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The first step to destroying it is to quit using the psyop term "Civic Nationalism" and to call it what it is: Race-blind Patriotism.

Not just that it gives false hope, but it also gives white people the delusion of "we can bring literally anyone from anywhere in and as long as they assimilate it doesn't matter if we become the minority".

We have a perfect opportunity redpill some civic nationalists now that Reddit is purging right-wingers. I keep seeing these misguided people everywhere since yesterday (pic).

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Go live in Siberia, boozer.

Be an individual in a society. Be your soul or your nerves. Be not the royal wee, because it doesn’t matter how pissed YOU get.

What is your proposal?

Just use both because that's what it is and I agree with OP, Civ Nats are nothing but traitors

Why would you waste your time on cuckchan, it's basically r/t_d without upvotes & downvotes. I don't know how to break maga's npc programming because no matter what evidences you present, they will either call you racist or 4d chess.

I go on cuckchan occasionally because it's easy to find examples like the above pic to show to others on here.

It's even worse than that. It's literally just "immigration should happen legally".
It's basically an ideology that just wants to do what is already law. Even Bill Clinton

My proposal?

Do not disavow that are ethno-nationalists ever. Do not punch right. Do not talk to the media, only give interviews to people in the alt-media.
Do not deny race, sex or similar things. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.

And have a positive message. Not a negative one. Be not against immigration. Be pro ethnically exclusive citizenship.
We shouldn't just consider people that complain about immigration as our people and allies. They need to have a positive message.

I see so many ecelebs and other people, who basically just say "immigration is bad". Why do we want to be a movement of impotent rage and complainers? We should restrict our movement that shares a positive message. Even feminists in Germany complain about immigration, but definetly aren't on our side in terms of immigration. So do not consider them allies. They should be allies on our terms.

If we are going to disassociate ourselves from anyone, it should be trolls, incels and degenerates. If being a troll is how you relax in the evening fine, but don't muddle our ideology with it. We shouldn't claim ownership of the trolls harassing some people in our movement. They should be their own seperate thing.
Incels give each other brownie points for being genetic trash and have a competition downwards.
And I don't see why Degenerates like Count Dankula should be considered "based" or "on our side", just because they complain about sjw. Again. It's a negative message.

We should be Paternalists towards people on the right, who haven't found the right way. Not outright hatred. "Slap them", if they do things wrong and reward them for good behavior, if they say the right things.
Just based on cold objective facts.

I'd agree. CivNats are the ones who stop right-wing radicalizion and help leftists by allowing them to do whatever they want and offer fake and short-term solutions

*radicalization

Civic Nationalists are people who stopped short of swallowing the redpill and just cheeked the goddamned thing after going to all the trouble to get it.


sometimes i cant even believe that place really was the old board

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FPBP.

If it isn't Nationalism just don't don't call it Nationalism.

Does anyone know when "civic nationalism" actually came about? Historically I see it as just a precursor to the creation of an actual nation; e.g. the Franks were very diverse, and most weren't Franks, but eventually they all became "French." America kind of tried doing the same thing, but the collapse of our racial policies ruined everything, and our previous heterogeneity came to haunt us, because we weren't developed enough as a nation to properly counter it when someone said "You used to hate Italians and Irish, but now you consider them fellow Americans. Why not the Congolese or Mexicans?"

So I don't know. Maybe civic nationalism is fine, so long as you remember the ethnically oriented end-goal. Still, I'd put the race above that "patriotism," however. Mussolini is often cited as a non-racist, etc. But this isn't really the case. He actually did have racial policies, and stripped many non-Italians of citizenship; Italy was for the Italians. I think there are two reasons for the supposed lesser emphasis on race in the Duce's reign. #1. Italy has many swarthy people, and it was politically dangerous to suggest things like Nordicism. #2. He thought that willpower was the most important thing to cultivate, and didn't want people thinking they didn't have to do anything because they already had good genes.

Conservatives, as "civic nationalists," are quite curious. You can talk to them, and you'll quickly find out that they actually are racists. They're just hiding it. They use voting Republican to sublimate their natural racial-preferences into something more socially acceptable. I see opportunity in these cowards. What's interesting is that "radical" ideas are never allowed to proliferate within the Conservatives. Republicans are subjected to immense censorship, and have only one news channel. That means non-amateur sources of info are rare for them. This allows the ruling class to come and offer their hand, and give them info. They say "Watch Ben Shapiro. Read this pamphlet. Subscribe to this channel. Watch these shows on Fox News." And the conservatives, who are only "conservative" because of their underlying racism, contract these absurd neoconservative ideas. Trump kind of through this for a loop, and that's why the Koch brothers are having a hissy-fit over realizing they're not the kingmakers they thought they were.

I would operate under the principle of "Don't punch to the Right." Most people are lemmings, that is something that needs to be accepted. That's why us National Socialists are okay with propaganda and regulating the media, because most people need to be controlled, and we want to make sure that their rulers are benevolent. But show absolutely no mercy to the figureheads, the party-bosses, the opportunists just looking for something to latch onto. I've worked with the Republicans a lot, and most of them are good people. I think that they will support a race-state when the time comes. It's the Jews and Freemasons who have set their party up as ineffectual, "controlled" opposition to the insanity of the left that makes them seem so useless.

My favorite response to this "assimilation" nonsense is saying "How are we supposed to assimilate foreigners if we can't even assimilate our own children? It's basically a hobby to shit-talk America and wish you were European or Canadian at this point." All that kike-garbage about melting pots and salad bowls goes straight into the garbage bin when you start talking about things on a larger scale. It's an unsustainable Weltanschauung that operates on an issue by issue basis. It's impossible for these people to take a holistic approach to politics, so this presents an opportunity to get them to fall back on their naturally racist instincts. Most people don't even notice the immense implication you make when you contrast "Our children" to "Foreigners."

Civic Nationalism along with Christianity must be destroyed. The best replacement is an autocratic theocracy and a new religion based on old Aryan teachings with an explicit foundation based in the virtues of racial purity, excellence, and transcendence.

Okay. You won’t do anything, though.

We know, jew. Do not post again.

Yeah, you are right. Civic Nationalism came from France. You could argue the Roman Empire, but they still legally recongized classes, so it's not the same.
Civic Nationalism wasn't just destruction of classes though, but the oppression of any local identity in favour of a cosmopolitan french one.
The entire south of France actually spoke a different language and were a different ethnicity, They were Occitans.

So French people always had this kind of artifical identity to them, because they used the goverment to assimilate people, instead of through social and cultural pressures like Germany for example, which is as united as France, but still keeps local identities and is stronger for it imo.

The French State kinda turned insane after the revolution and applied state-enforced assimilation on everyone. Muslims, Africans, etc.
For a while it sort of worked, because you can be multicultural, when you are Authoritarian. Having Muslim Agents loyal to the french state was useful in colonial competitions with the UK. But long-term just look at the price they paid.
I think this is the reason why out of the big 3 in Europe, Germany, France and England, France is the most fucked. Because there is little to go back to.

And they still benefit from Colonialsm through their montary union with africa, who are legally forced to buy a ton of french treasurey reserves and buy french products to receive development aid.

This vested interest, this greed, this artifical economic assistance for France keeps the French from turning into a third-world country.
Guess what happens, if the money stops flowing. The Elite is going to flee. The French are going to go full on Socialist and trash their country.
France loves to have left-wing revolutions.


My problem with that is, that if you look at the Turks in Germany for example, there was never a definite moment, where they were granted citizenship. It came very slowly. First the privilege to stay longer. Then to get some social security. Then to get their family here. To have some travel papers. And then to have other papers.

But there was no cerenomy. No ritual to make them into Germans. The problem with Civic Nationalism is that it would be like giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. It would legitimize them.


Bitch, I might make a youtube channel.

Garage is a fucking City banker user. BREXIT is just one faction of jews jewing another faction. As was the Holohoax and all wars.

Most of these bite their tongues because they are ashamed of their race-mixing daughters and regret subcontracting family duties to the jew.


I spent six months watching the Canadian (((People's Party))) wrestle with this. So obvious it was a CSIS identification and degrade validation honeypot. Just like (((Faith Goldy))) in Toronto.

The real future leaders are nowhere near a mic or parliament for that matter.

Yes it's French and very alive in Quebec and Acadia. But there is a mason connection with Acadians I am told.

Yeah. Kinda ironic that the French Canadians are probably more french than France itself.

But I hard from JF that like in France all of their "nationalist" parties, are basically left-wing and just want autonomy. And I had some Québécois tell me that they accept any immigrant as long as they speak French. That is all that matters to them.

I don't know what it is with France and every nationalist party being socialist or left-wing.


And I guess in England all of the "nationalist" parties are just nationalist out of economic concerns and want their commonwealth to get exclusive trade deals and such.

They are.

The BNP was legitimate before the government made it illegal.

The umbilical cord-cutting you describe has happened every presidency since Reagan. Got right-wing support, passed tax cuts and amnesty. HW Bush, same deal with doubled immigration.
This bait and switch has happened over and over. The Tea Party was partly a reaction, as was Trump… but it's happening again. Lucy just keeps pulling the football.

Civic nationalism has value. Shifting the Overton Window is everything and that takes time. I do like the sound of "don't punch right" from some posters here.

Okay, yeah. Your thread has no purpose.

"civic nationalism" is quite simply an oxymoron; nation, from latin natio, related to nascor/nasci/natus i.e to be born, indicates a political entity based around shared ethnic boundaries
"civic nationalism" is about as nonsensical as "centralized anarchism"
the various ""nation-states"" of the west have been turned already into de facto a-national economic zones with some remnants of local peculiarities which are slowly disappearing and some minor political authority

call it "civic fascism" if they must, or something similar, it has fuck all to do with the concept of the nation-state, itself an originally leftist conception anyway

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if we're dealing with two types of people,
- what's right
- what works
then to convince "what's right" civnats immigration/multiculturalism is wrong, can't we just meme how it's wrong to run away from your country's problems, cowards who abandon their country don't make good citizens, or when this country hits dire straits, will they stay and fight, or run and abandon their fellow citizens again?

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Ok faggots reality time. Reality is there was always limited racemixing and immigration associated with trade and wars. Limited immigration can work, its similair to the required geneflow between various regions within a nation that must be maintained to keep it a nation. Just don't select to maintain a small population of them, create policy to discourage any marriage within their own communities and encourage genetic assimilation.
Now obviously this is very limited numbers as it'll risk genetic health of the primary population. This is not a strategy to assimilate the current number of parasites in the west, rather is bait to keep the smarter ones our side. Deportation is vastly superior to war or killing. The less about race the comming wars are made (at least propaganda wise) the easier it'll be to recruit and hold power.
Otherwise I agree, civic nationalism is the hail mary of a dying empire that has over extended itself. The west is the first set of empires I've ever heard of to do it through willing immigration from unconquered lands. Nation comes from natio which means birth. Civic nationalism definitionally doesn't work.

Demoralization, dismissal and christcuckery. Way to show where your loyalty lay.

We need a new slam dunk like "cuck". Just enough to make them feel shame, but not so much that they can completely blow it off. It has to trigger fear and shame, which are the strongest emotions that marketers target with the greatest success. You want them to feel like a sucker, that they are personally losing out or getting fucked in the ass. What's the killshot word that we can call Civic Nationalism, Zig Forums?

Yes we need an aryan equivalent of Shinto. And it's already waiting to be revived, in our history.

Sure entropy and attrition are factors in the real world, there are other examples like prostitution and alcoholism but they should not be encouraged.

Subs?
Cartoons em takin it up the ass from arabs and black while crying out stuff like, "Immigrate me". Or leashed and being walked like dogs by them. Owen Benjamin did an alright job when it called civic cucks house niggers.

I've been thinking of something similar. I'm trying to think of some phrase for those melting pot fags who think we can let the whole world in that would appeal to boomers. An insult more along the lines of yuppie or peacenik. Maybe something like soupie. (reference to melting pot) I feel like there's a strong comparison between them and cat ladies who take in every animal they find, but I can't think of a pun based on that.

I think this meme has legs, but it's not quite there as a verbal killshot. Mutt Nationalism does have the advantage of possibly getting past censorship filters though. Since saying "amerimutt" or "americanmutt" will not get you banned in may places since it's en vogue to shit on americans among the left as well. It's obvious that nobody wants to be a Mutt.

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Why is the American flag in that picture?

Hispanics are white, the kikes just want us to hate them for being hardworking instead of shekel addicted like the Anglo. Just how they tricked us into hating Mediterraneans for being a bit tanned, or hating Slavs for integrating at their own pace.

No one is perfect, no more brothers wars

Hispanics are a cross-breed between Asian and European. All "native" peoples of America are of Siberian descent.

Hispanics are a completely difference race/species user. WTF they are 10-30% nigger. Not our brothers. AT ALL.

((( )))
I wonder who could be behind that post…

adoptizens? polygamy nats? interracialists? 'cuck' now conjures the image of a man dispossessed of his own wife, but the cuckoo bird raising another's offspring makes more sense in the 'civnat' instance
reading into brood parasitism, there's 'mouthbrooding parasites'
cuckfished?
there's also those tongue parasite things

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Someone who know more about DNA than you ever will. Hispanics never going to be White user, it is stupid to even consider it. They are disgusting race mixed mongrels.

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Civic nationalism is the product of cultural marxism applied to nationalism. It is not nationalism at all but a form of theocracy. Just use the argument that Iran is a civic nationalist society. Multiethnic but everyone is ruled by islamic shia civics. The Soviet Union was also a civic nationalist society. Just use the Soviet Union argument, it will kill civic nationalists dead in their tracks.

Since society is a biological construct, civic nationalism exterminates itself when the founding population gets replaced by migrant populations who will immediately start act out their own biological programming to recreate the homelands they fled from. Any serious thinker considers civic nationalism (or cultural nationalism as it is called in Europe) to be just another jew scam. Most of you seem to think that all we need to do to prosper is to purge the jews from our societies, but thats not enough, we need to purge their corrupt thought goods too. That means theres a shitload of harmful jewjunk that has to go, of which the most important is ghost communism aka christianity.

Niggers, Beaners are 50% Spainish 50% injuns

Research Mamzer.

Read the two lines including all the different translations of those lines in the Bible.

Realize that the Bible is explicitly against racemixing because god hates mongrels. Realize all the shitty arguments people make to justify racemixing all fall apart because of biblehub.com/zechariah/9-6.htm

People occasionally use the term "magic soil" to insult civnats.


If you're just going to modify the word cuck, then you should make it explicitly about immigration. Something like Kochold. It plays on the split within republicans, most of whom now dislike the open-borders Koch brothers. It's also subtly sending this message that "assimilation" doesn't even exist, and you must choose between open-borders or an ethnostate.


I hadn't considered the theocratic elements of civic nationalism. You're on to something with that. Carl Schmitt does spend a lot of time pointing out that modern political concepts are just secularized theology.

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