Let's talk about morality seriously / blackpill thread

I am more than this vessel I reside within and thus, more than an animal which gives me the devine right to love all that flows with God and hate alll that does not. I use hate in its most specific, intentional term.
My blood formed the societies that stand today. Formed the trust that was betrayed, through generations of synergistic existence. Every once in a while God injects something more evil than the most evil betrayer just to show whos really in control. I am the crack of the whip.
My only feelings on the matter are I won't enjoy what has to be done but I won't defy the order. The exploitation of trust. The decay of virtue and the inversion of truth have no limit. I am a governor, in that sense.

You mean the (((Christian))) god? The idea of a god is outdated. There is no longer a need in humanity to personify the unknown, it is only a sign of mental weakness.

I wonder who would speak in opposition to God?

You're talking about a god given to you by a hippie kike. You stole the jewish god and guess what? We're no longer living in times when believing in a god is fucking necessary. Stop personifying the unknown, it's fucking schizophrenic.

Existence is good by virtue of being the only option, there for anything that secures existence is right and good. Natural law/Dharma/Cosmic Order is the only eternal law. The 14 words is all that matters. Take your post modern bullsbit to leftypol FAGGOT.

actually you are talking about "a god given to you by a hippie kike" I asked who would speak in opposition to God?
Perhaps you can tell me about myself since you are the all-knowing, all-wise being that can tell everyone what things he has never experienced are, or rather, are not?

Which god(s) and what that one(s)?

Here is an article, "the one god, a perverted and stolen concept, corrupted by jews," the concept was originally a pagan idea to the concept of the aether, which is an impersonal, all encompassing force from which all existence springs. The jews corrupted it into christianity.

kabbalahexposed.com/OneGod.Html

Which before was Zoarastrian and before was Sumerian and before was Atlantian…

I'm curious, where did it all start?

Natural Law, Logos, how things work: Reality-Truth-Morality. The structure, fundamental principles & mechanisms of existence & particularly of life. Natural Law is the basis of all Truth from which all morality must derive.
Natural Laws are mandatory, we may try to mitigate or avoid them, we may even think to succeeded for a time but always & inevitably Logos destroys anti-Logos.
Reality & its laws always win.
Natural law is Good, right & just.

Paedophilia is wrong because it is R selected perversion for niggers & sodomites. (see R/K selection)
Murder is a basic mechanism of life. Depends on who is being murdered & why. Its not inherently wrong because it doesn’t contradict Natural Law, its a part of it.
I am an atheist & Natural Law is my morality. Because Natural Law is Reality & if gods exist they made it so.
Do i personally hate every single non white? No. Do i want them exterminated? Yes. This is a zero sum game.
Its not country its Nation which is a thing of blood.
I fight for my peoples survival because they are my people: Past, present & future. I & others of my blood are the living embodiment of them. Loyalty, duty, love is more needed?
The next generation & children matter because that is how Nations/blood survives & i care about that for the reasons just stated.
Why do i care? Why do i care for my parents? My children? If i need to explain this you aren’t worth it.
Most people don’t really think about much, it turns out. Stop projecting, we aren’t all as atomised as you & your insipid individualism.
Bug man.

tl:dr you are a tragic & disgusting product of jew pilpul, materialist consumerism & your own insipid & selfish nature. You have no past, no present & no future. You are a hollow man & you will never get it.

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The black haired guy spoke like a true NPC.
He doesn't even knows why he wants children in the first place.

Sorry if philosophy bothers you by questioning why you do things.

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Look at this guy. Look at his spooked answers, look at the way he acts. His answers are shallow, based on emotion and not reason.

Do the few rational people on Zig Forums really agree with him on everything he says?

Good is when the niggers and jews die.

He wants children because he wants his blood & the love he shares with his wife to live on and have a future beyond himself. He cares. This is an insufficient answer to a bug man. But that’s on you. Why not kill yourself before you suffer more? You know you will so why not just end it all? What reason do you have for living? The next video game? Finishing that big sack of potato chips? Hoping that someone will give you the love you are incapable of yourself?
Sorry if the vacant desolation of your miserable world view bothers you.

Natural law says that the strongest must survive. You'd be dead by now if we weren't rational creatures.

Whats the matter, user? Does emotion bother you? Do you have trouble with your temper? Are your meds not helping?

Ask me how i can tell this is projection.

Because I don't want to. I think life, this life is worth living simply because it's fun. What came before and what comes after does not matter. We do not know. We know about this life. This life is all that matters.

My life is a game. I really enjoy playing it.
My life is also a painting and I'm trying to paint it the best way possible, without obstacles such as morality.

Let's talk about morality.

Instant shillstorm.

The usual Synagogue of Satan servants spewing their anti-Christ rhetoric.

Interesting. Not surprising, but, interesting. No logic. No facts. No evidence. Just "We hate Jesus Christ and here are all of our emotinall-biased rhetoric statements."

No dissection of how it is that straight, White, Christians founded the USA while escaping from the "I'm the proto-pope" religion of England.

No discussion of how, since Christianity has been largely abandoned in the USA, quality of life has plummeted.

No, just the usual hateful screechings of those devoid of truth.

So, sinners, what has your Enlightened Freedom from Christianity done to your lives? What has it done to your women? To whom has it made your children vulnerable.

Really? We are going to generalize God based on the imperfections of his followers?

That's like vilifying all men because most rapes are done with a penis.

No, The Bible, in its perfect form, is the fundamental and flawless message from God to mankind. Nations that heed it are exalted, while nations that deny it or attack it plunge into fast or slow death.

How did your precious (((atheism))) work out in Bolshevik Russia?

How is your precious (((atheism))) working out in China?

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

The Bible is the only holy book that recommends death penalty for child offenders. What did your god, Darwin, say about THAT?

I know they are shillbots, much of the time, but the moderators seem to have an anti-Chriistian bias, also, at times.

The Bible works. Christianity works. It produces safe, sane, prosperous societies.

Don't conflate the Mary-worshiping Male Child Rape Cult with Christianity. The Bible says it is a doctrine of demons to forbid people to marry.

Go with the Bible, properly interpreted, and you can't go wrong.

No sex outside marriage. 99 percent of the world's criminals come from single mothers.

100 percent of the world's crime is a direct disobedience of God's Word.

Yet, the shills shriek endlessly about how important it is to abandon Christ and all he stands for.

Hasten to completely anti-Christ nations, then. Don't waste your time here.

Attempting to have morality without the Bible is doomed to fail. All morality must be enforced on people by themselves, via the God who comes to live inside their hearts through the salvation that is offered via Jesus Christ.

I have noticed that the general tone always seems to turn into "Anything but admit that accepting Jesus Christ as my personal savior and living by the Bible" People arrive at that point in many ways, some more roundabout than others, but it ultimately demonstrates its source, because Satan has no fear of Buddhism, so his servants are not attacking it 24/7 in Hollywood, on this board, etc.

It works, which is why Satan and his shills attack it so completely, either using emotionally-laden rhetoric, dismissiveness, finding what few examples they can about dumb Christians, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Sure, you can attempt to have morality divorced from God. You can attempt to have green plants devoid of sunlight, too. But it is costly and artificial.

And "The natural law written into our hearts" stuff. Really. So, Jeffrey Dahmer, a famed homosexual rapist and murderer, who was following whatever was in his heart, as an example?

No, everyone having their own fascinating and creative version of how they are going to get their dick sucked and scam money off others while not getting caught does not work.

Only the Lord Jesus Christ and his Word work, every time, all the time. Zero percent of the disasters you all heathens have made of every country you get control of is due to Biblical Christianity.

God is not real.
Jesus was a socialist. If you're not a socialist, you can't be Christian.

A lack of free will disproves any argument for morality. There can be no discussion of morals without first proving free will, which no one can do.

Not a rational argument.
That is a lie, user. I can tell its a lie because you don’t believe
in anything. I can tell you don’t believe in anything because you use 'rationality' as a replacement. They hollowed you out & now you are empty.

Since i know you wont ask ill tell you why this is projection:
1.It isn’t based on knowledge.
2.Its not an argument & in no way refutes Natural Law.
3.You pretend to be rational.
lol.

Free will is an abstraction.

Jesus was a carpenter.
If you're not a carpenter, you're not a Christian.
Jesus was male.
If you're not male, you're not a Christian.
Jesus spoke Aramaic.
If you don't speak Aramaic you're not a Christian.

Do you have any more pearls of wisdom for us?

Jesus was a jew . . .

It is. We're not capable of knowing everything unworldly. I value THIS LIFE because it's the only one I know. I enjoy living. Even if there's a God, an afterlife, I do not care. I care about this life and I care about myself because I'm the sentient being experiencing it. And to be honest, I don't believe that there's anything other than this life we experience. I believe that death is an illusion. We just are, we are beings.

Correct.
If you don't adhere to your beliefs, how can you call yourself a Christian? You're a hypocrite.

Continuing his lines:
Jesus was a Jew.
If you are not a Jew, you are not Christian.

There is no such thing as a blackpill.

I agree.

Just dropping this blackpill.

Fun is not a rational argument.
The only reason you haven’t killed yourself is because the amount of enjoyment you expect to have in the future exceeds the amount of suffering. You have no other reason to continue existing because you have nothing to believe in.
Bug man.

Yep, He was a National Socialist.

Not a black pill, an abstract irrelevance.
You exist, you act. The details are academic.

Lol.

from all came nature
from nature came life
from life came human
from human came civilized man

man's capacity to determine the orders of civilization, humanity, life, nature, and all, is built within himself as he is made up of each of these parts
however, man's demonstrated choosing of order over chaos, life over death, eugenics over dysgenics, eternity over extinction, is a struggle within himself, between generations, against lesser men of lesser orders of civility, other life (plagues), nature (selection) and all

if your eyes can't tell the difference between light and absence of light, your eyes are not functioning and you are blind
if you can not tell the difference between good and bad (morality), the cumulative result of evolution that is your brain is not functioning and you are retarded

Doesn't mean that you cannot discuss what morals NPCs should live by. They need a doctrine and constant programming. Otherwise, they lose control.

He should of been s Rational Socialist.

implying.

There's only one objective answer: Might is Right

Are you one of those out of Africa theory cucks? It was proven in a recent Zig Forums thread that humans came from Europe. So, those early humans were civilised and created powerful civilizations. Then some of them devolved and became savage arab negros. It's in Bible too. Humans were made in His image. But God turned them into niggers and monkeys because of sodomy and bestiality and race mixing.

I believe in self-interest. I do things that benefit myself, fun included. I believe life is an accident and we cannot get rid of it. But as long as I can feel and perceive things, (this) life is worth living. I am a creator, I keep doing things with a certainty that it will be destroyed but I do it anyway, because the process of doing or of being, is the only thing there is. What we can perceive is all we have. I'm don't waste my time with metaphysics because I think it's worthless and unnecessary. I don't kill myself either because it's not in my self-interest. I don't know what comes after. If I die doing something I like, then I'd have no problem with that. But killing myself for the sake of it, is pointless.

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Ah, it's in a book so it must be true

Not for the sake of it. To avoid the certainty of further suffering. Is this not 'rational' self interest?
It is certain you will die at some point.
It is certain that you will get sick, probably very sick.
It is certain that society & all those lovely potato chips is going down the shitter, its observable.
It is certain that all your happiness is temporary.
What purely rational reason do you have to endure if all you have is sand castles & chronic masturbation?

Didn’t take long for the mask to slip, did it bug man?

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You only care about yourself. Fine. There will always be people like you, but you are ultimately irrelevant in the great tapestry of human history.

Let others struggle and believe in their so-called 'spooks.' It's their business, not yours.

Reason is a tool used by emotion. There is reason and then there is reality, and the way people adapt to reality.

Because death is the unknown. A rational person is concerted to what he can know. He knows he's limited and tries to work with what's available. Killing yourself is just an alternative, another option. He chose life.

Life is good until your health fails you or things turn to shit, which is likely to happen at some point. Then life becomes a struggle. Prepare yourself for that, user. Also, don't let faggots distract you from your goals. They tend to do that.

by your worldview suicide will become necessary when you find yourself in a position of suffering and don't see a way back to having fun, and this is nearly an inevitability.

But suffering is certain.

'He' chooses vacuous entertainment in the pursuit of fleeting enjoyment to east the otherwise tedious passage of 'his' meaningless life in the vain hope of a net gain in enjoyment by the time 'he' dies.
This is your life.
Its pathetic.

i experience it

BS. The glory of humanity is in the overcoming of the unknown.

When a business man or an investor invests his capital, he is engaging in an irrational act, because of the high-risk nature of his endeavor.

The same with explorers, inventors and soldiers. High risk, high reward and the willingness to overcome the unknown.

peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/does-capitalism-destroy-cooperation/

Exactly

you aren't saving the white race from mommy's basement, cleetus

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And is suffering purely bad? How so? I don't think so. I think extreme suffering and extreme pleasure are both necessary to balance things out.

Is that what you do? Now I think you're the one projecting. Why don't YOU kill yourself?
There's a difference between a healthy person who lives life to the fullest to the one who lives life full of regrets.

But i have a mini fridge?

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out of the two of you, you are the one who seems empty inside.

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I think that What is trying to say is that the life of an egoist consists of experiencing sensations, which is another way of saying consumption.

People like you consume. You do not create anything that you cannot also consume. At their very core, egoists are pure consumers (i.e. bug men)

There's nothing wrong with that, if that's your thing, but most people prefer something more.

his argument is that he considers life worth living because he enjoys it, suffering isn't enjoyable, if it was it wouldn't be suffering.
so if his suffering outweighs his enjoyment it would be sensible to kill himself, as his only measure of value is his own self-interest - at the point that suffering overtakes his enjoyment it would be in his self-interest to suicide.

No you don't. You couldn't even reply to my comment unless I made it. You are limited to reacting to things you sense, and your ability to react is limted by biological processes that you had no hand in crafting. You are no different than a rock rolling down a hill.

No. The best suffering happens mostly when we exceed our comfort zone.

You don’t have an answer yourself i take it?
What causes a man to sacrifice comfort or his life?
Its belief in something more.
What a man will kill for & die for is what a man believes.
Belief worthy of the name isn’t a habit or a comfort, it burns & demands.
It doesn’t even matter internally what the belief is. It only matters that its there.
It elevates a man from a npc or a bug man to a man with will & agency.
So what do i believe?
Im a National Socialist.

Im continuing his argument to its logical conclusion. Hes not happy about it.
See:

I know why he wants children. He wants "that feeling" of putting children into this chaotic world because it makes him feel good.

Me, myself and I will not have children, because I don't want a burden in MY life. If the people who make my country great, don't want to have children either and if they not having children would have a negative impact in my life, in my well-being somehow, then I'd encourage them to have children so MY country can keep being great with a stable economy till the rest of my days. But then again, that's an egoistic approach. I could even have children if that's the only option, but that would be an extreme egoistic act. And if they all decide to not have children, I'd be fine with that as well. I'd find a way to live with what's available.

I also would like to point out that if you think that life has a higher purpose, a meaning, so to speak, you'd understand that procreation is but an small act and "things" would still go on without you or your "contribution".

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Good try but not quite.
The 'rational' intellectualist faggot thats just watched a few youtube videos is putting up a front of happiness & purpose. But when pressed, like when i push his stance to its end point. He has nothing but
to reply with.
He is essentially nihilist with a veneer of reason.

I understand your point and I think that's a very wise way of interpreting it, however it all falls down to it

Even the very act of reproduction can fall into this idea of "creating to consume".

abstractions. my experience comes before your alleged biology, experience is the realest thing there is and i experience the act of choice.

He can't e a nihilist because he has a purpose in life. You fight for your people and your race, whereas he "fights" for his own benefit and self-interest.

So you're planning to consume your own children? Wait wut?

Your problem is your 'egoist' solipsism.
If that is the best you can do then maybe you shouldn’t reproduce? It wouldn’t end well.
The universe exists beyond you & if you are too weak to handle that then you will be eliminated.

Show me exactly where cause and effect ends, and your magic begins.

Thats not a belief see:
Its scratching an itch.

you are a living mockery of yourself

I try.
Elabor8 m88.

We are all the same being (God AKA infinite universal simulations) split into an unfathomable number of different lives to live and experience each created universe during whatever timeframe is habitable.

I live your life. You live mine. Separating our consciousnesses such that I was born in this body and your were born in that one is a fun little trick, one that makes us each feel like our own perspective is the only one that matters.

We are all playing out our particular roles in this simulation, predetermined by the seed which gave birth to it (in our case, our particular "big bang").

This is the reality of reality. Whether you accept it or not doesn't make it any less true.

Why am I saying this? Because my answers to your questions depend on this view of the world.

Because no living being deserves to needlessly suffer, and people like me see the inevitability and the long term consequences of certain actions, systems, and ways of thinking.

Good is peace, love, family, and the option to be ignorant of the reality of this world without it being taken from you without your knowledge. Bad is unnecessary conflict, hate, suffering, deception, manipulation, anything that might cause long term harm to an individual or a group.

Read above.

Because it can affect someone's psyche for the rest of their life, almost always negatively. If someone has a repressed memory of being molested as a child, it will affect their trust in other people, especially intimate relationships. This becomes yet another barrier in a world where it's already difficult enough to form healthy relationships.

Under most circumstances it is wrong. The only reason it should ever occur is to prevent suffering of a greater number of people than the individual(s) you're removing from the world.

Yes but attempting to understand God (AKA infinity AKA all powerful and all knowing) is something that is a universal truth whether you accept it or not, and attempting to understand and form a connection with the parent system that enables your existence will inevitably lead you to good morals as it will help you understand the human condition in the context of… everything.

There are groups of people whose natural genetic tendencies and belief systems are highly detrimental to other groups. While I understand that they are human beings with friends and families, the rest of us are much better off without them. The worst part is that they will never understand this and so their perspective is to just "take take take" because that's what evolution has ingrained into them. They don't realize they are slowing and dragging down everyone else. It isn't hate or resentment.

The understanding that we all live each others' lives comes with a disgust at obviously inferior ways of living. We want to optimize life for every living being in the long term, even if it means creating strife in the short term, because our strong ability to empathize enables the subconscious realization that the existence of other flawed human beings means that we have to live their flawed lives in other life timelines. It is a sickening feeling that most people are not encumbered by and thus motivated to eliminate.

It is every living being's right to fight for their independence and survival. Genetic evolution and the fight for survival is how we even exist to begin with, in our current form.

Read above.

Sadly, yes.

That's an oddly biased way of interpreting a "hero's" intentions. Maybe they understand that what I've outlined above with the realization that every life HAS to be lived and experienced one way or another, and if their sacrifice will improve the lives of many (many other life timelines to be experienced), then it is worth it.

Exactly, faggot. The universe exists beyond YOU, therefore having children or fighting for your country, dedicating your life to some ideology is pointless. The earth most likely is not gonna survive for all eternity. If you think being a natsoc and fighting for YOUR people gives your life a meaning, a purpose, a reason to go on, then that's okay, but be aware that that's just an egoistic act and you're doing it for yourself and not for others. And when you repress your wishes, you're sacrificing yourself for the sake of an ideology, an abstract idea and I don't think that's okay if you're doing it unconsciously.

For example, I think that pic related wasted his life. He fucking ruined his life. He had a great life before taking the so-called "redpill". If anything, he just harmed his cause.

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Sumer - Sun
Aryan - People
People of the Sun
People of God

That's who we are.

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having self interest precludes you from being a true nihilist

first of all you'll have to stop believing that "objective" reality is truer than your own experience. objective reality is an abstraction, it's a thought form you yourself have created that exists entirely within your own mind. everything you perceive with your sense organs falls into this category, indeed even your sense organs and brain fall into it. they are all illusion, whereas the ability to make decisions is something you experience directly.

your choices are both limited and infinite, things entirely out of your control influence them endlessly, and yet despite all this the experience of making a choice is there.

You know that's not what 99% of people on this board believe, right?

Your point of view is very hinduistic, if you will.
Are you familiar with Hinduism or even Buddhism?

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The Egoism/solipsism/nihilism you all comes from the same place.
Lets suppose that your egoism/solipsism/nihilism is correct. Why does that result in your self indulgence & petulant apathy? Why is you & your friends views so pathetic & selfish? Even if helping others is egoism, what of that?
The ugly truth of your views is that they arent 'rational' like you claim but simply a manifestation of your inner nature that id proudly displayed for all to see who bother to read it.
Petulant, selfish, arrogant, petty, vacuous. You & your friends have demonstrated this with every post.
Your character is demonstrably worthless, even to yourself.
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Another datamining thread. Why do moderators tolerate this trash?

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I think is a bunch of faggots that just watched some Nietzsche videos on jewtube or something. lol.

At some point you may realize that you are human and operate at that scope. You matter as much to the rest of the universe as it does to you. Two galaxies collide on the other side of the universe. Do you care? No. Billions of alien worlds are being destroyed right now. How many fucks do you give? Absolutely none.

It's true.
I remember I listened to a reading of Hindu theology, and it claims that if life is meaningless, then why be negative of this aspect of existence rather than positive, since all outcomes quantify zero in an impossible void.

People who are upset about self-creative methods of thought and performance are not bold enough to embrace the freedom the universe offers. They sit around, being vacuous slugs, like you say.

I'm a Christian.

The vast majority of Christians have the same understanding that I do, but they either A) are unable to articulate it or B) don't have the necessary neural pathways to form these abstractions in their conscious mind, so they follow scripture tightly (as they should) because they know deep down that it is right.

Christianity aligns with this much more than you think.

< "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Luke 6:31

This is because we are all the same being. If you harm someone else, you're only harming yourself in another life timeline.

< "With God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:26

This is another way of describing infinity. Early humans had no other way of describing this concept.

Regarding most Christians' view of human life as being special (it is)… Human life is more important than animal life because human consciousness is much more aware of its body. You could also make the argument that certain human races are more animalistic, less conscious, and thus, less important.

Nah, I said it's okay if you're aware of what you're doing and it's benefiting you somehow.

>"Believe in something even if it means sacrificing everything"
I agree with that.
But it doesn't say that it means sacrificing everything for others.

I'm just an individual who values individualism more than anything because I'm the only one that matters.

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misquoting isn't an argument
objective reality is an illusion, experience is real.
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So you're against killing criminals because you value their lives?

We're beyond morality and whats right and wrong. The only thing that matters anymore is the survival of the white race by any means necessary

pick one

brainlet

Never said that, nor did I ever imply it. I eat a lot of meat.

I'm against the suffering of all living beings. Sometimes that means quickly ending their lives. In the case of animals and eating them, hunting is the best method. I don't like factories.

We exist because our ancestors killed and ate other animals. It is part of us. It is who we are. It's part of this universe which enables our very existence. That is why the bible says these animals were put here for us to eat.