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Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

Declassified U.S. Documents Reveal Details About Argentina’s Dictatorship
These details of the assassination program, which pursued enemies in the region and in Europe as part of the Cold War intelligence alliance known as Operation Condor, have been found in a 1977 Central Intelligence Agency report, part of a trove of newly declassified United States government documents that shed new light on the repressive tactics of military regimes in South America and on American awareness of their actions.
nytimes.com/2019/04/12/world/americas/argentina-dictatorship-cia-documents.html
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Iraqi militias reject U.S. naming of Iran's Guards as terrorist group
A group of Iraq’s Shi’ite militia groups said on Saturday that they strongly rejected the designation of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) as a terrorist organization by the United States.
reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-iraq/iraqi-militias-reject-u-s-naming-of-irans-guards-as-terrorist-group-idUSKCN1RP0JU

Polish teachers strike confronts social disaster wrought by capitalist restoration
The strike by hundreds of thousands of Polish teachers shut down 75 percent of the country’s schools and kindergartens on Tuesday, according to teacher unions.
wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/10/pola-a10.html

Ukraine ambassador’s car rammed in London; Police fire shots
British police fired shots Saturday at a car outside the Ukrainian Embassy in London after it rammed other cars parked in front of the embassy.London’s Metropolitan Police said firearms and stun guns were used to stop and detain a suspect who drove a vehicle at a police car when police arrived on the scene.
apnews.com/c745936705bf410daa26e3549fb04dbb

Venezuelan former spy chief arrested in Spain and faces US extradition
Hugo Chavez’s former spy chief will appear in a Madrid court on Saturday to face an extradition hearing requested by the United States.Hugo Carvajal, 59, was arrested by Spanish police at 3:30pm local time on Friday, on the request of US authorities, who have been trying to detain him on drug trafficking charges for many years.
telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/13/venezuelan-former-spy-chief-arrested-spain-faces-us-extradition/

Italy says military intervention 'cannot be a solution' in Libya
Italy’s prime minister has said any foreign military intervention in Libya would not resolve the latest conflict in its former colony, warning that it might trigger a refugee exodus across the Mediterranean.
reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-italy/italy-says-military-intervention-cannot-be-a-solution-in-libya-idUSKCN1RP07N

3 people injured in Israeli rocket attack on Syria's Hama province – reports
Syria has shot down several missiles launched by Israel and targeting the city of Masyaf in northwestern Syria, Syrian state media reported. Three people have been wounded and several buildings destroyed in the attack.
rt.com/news/456385-syria-israel-airstrike-repelled/

UN Defends Colombian Peace Treaty, FARC Against Duque
The U.N. is pushing for the law to be implemented “as soon as possible” before alterations can be made.The United Nations (UN) is urging the Duque Administration to refrain from altering its peace agreement with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the international organization said Friday.
telesurenglish.net/news/UN-Defends-Colombian-Peace-Treaty-FARC-Against-Duque-20190412-0023.html

New Palestinian government sworn in amid factional tensions
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday swore in a new government headed by a loyalist from his dominant Fatah party, a move rejected by his Islamist rival Hamas as a blow to unity efforts.
reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-politics/new-palestinian-government-sworn-in-amid-factional-tensions-idUSKCN1RP0KM

US Marines turned a warship into an F-35 'Lightning carrier' in a test to boost US power
The US Navy sent the USS Wasp into the South China Sea earlier this month loaded with an unusually heavy configuration of Marine Corps F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters.Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy captain and naval-affairs expert, told Business Insider, explaining that the Navy and the Marines are experimenting with the "Lightning Carrier" concept.
thisisinsider.com/marines-test-lightning-carrier-concept-in-the-south-china-sea-2019-4

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Julian Moore
Julian Moore

George Mason University law school receives largest donation in school’s history from estate of far-right judge
In early March, George Mason University (GMU), the publicly funded research university based in Fairfax, Virginia, announced that its Antonin Scalia Law School had received a record-breaking donation of $50 million from the estate of the late Judge Allison Rouse and his wife Dorothy Rouse.
wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/13/scal-a13.html

Georgetown University students vote to increase tuition fees to pay slavery reparations
Students at one of America’s most prestigious universities have voted to increase tuition fees in order to pay slavery reparations – the latest reckoning with the institution’s dark history.Georgetown University, founded in 1789 by Jesuit priests, is today recognised as one of the leading colleges and law schools in the nation.
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/georgetown-university-slavery-reparation-tuition-fees-a8867686.html

Toe the line or go to jail: Tulsi Gabbard says Assange arrest is a message to Americans
2020 candidate Tulsi Gabbard has spoken out against the US government’s plans to extradite and punish WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange, calling it a “blow to transparency and a blow to a free press.”
rt.com/usa/456343-tulsi-gabbard-assange-arrest/

'I Felt Americans Needed to Know': Insurance Industry Whistleblower Gives Glimpse of Effort to Crush Medicare for All
"The business model of for-profit health insurance depends on denying care to people who need it. These corporations can't be reasoned with, only defeated."In an effort to inform the public about the corporate forces working to crush Medicare for All, an employee at the insurance giant UnitedHealthcare leaked a video of his boss bragging about the company's campaign to preserve America's for-profit healthcare system.
commondreams.org/news/2019/04/12/i-felt-americans-needed-know-insurance-industry-whistleblower-gives-glimpse-effort

6,000 Amazon Employees, Including a VP and Directors, Are Now Calling on Jeff Bezos to Stop Automating Oil Extraction
On Monday, a group of Amazon employees began circulating an open letter that calls on CEO Jeff Bezos and the board of directors to adopt a companywide plan to address climate change. By Wednesday, over 3,500 Amazoners had signed on. By Friday, that number had surpassed 6,000—meaning a number equivalent to about 1/10th of the company’s entire corporate workforce had publicly added their names. And those names are still rolling in.
gizmodo.com/6-000-amazon-employees-including-a-vp-and-directors-n-1834001079

Facebook's activist shareholders are making another dramatic bid to oust Mark Zuckerberg and abolish the firm's share structure
Facebook's activist shareholders are making another attempt to fire Mark Zuckerberg as chairman and rip up the company's share structure.They will vote on two proposals to overhaul Facebook's governance at the social network's annual shareholder meeting on May 30.Some investors are unhappy about the tsunami of scandals that have engulfed Facebook and believe that Zuckerberg has too much power.
businessinsider.com/facebook-investors-will-vote-to-oust-mark-zuckerberg-as-chairman-2019-4

Growth stumbling but central bank arsenals are near-empty
Global economic growth is slowing, according to the International Monetary Fund, policymakers and hundreds of economists polled by Reuters - but that downturn is coming at a time when central banks’ arsenals are running on empty.
reuters.com/article/us-global-economy/growth-stumbling-but-central-bank-arsenals-are-near-empty-idUSKCN1RO1KS

Jaxon Flores
Jaxon Flores

OP/ED

Emilio Estevez’s The Public: The homeless refuse to freeze to death
Written and directed by Emilio EstevezThe Public is preoccupied with the problem of homelessness in America. Written and directed by veteran actor and director Emilio Estevez ( Bobby, 2006), the movie is thoughtful and heartfelt.Libraries are community and cultural resources and, according to Estevez, should be a sanctuary and safe haven for the homeless.According to the American Library Association, libraries promote “equal access to information for all persons, and recognizes the urgent need to respond to the increasing number of poor children, adults, and families in America … Therefore it is crucial that libraries recognize their role in enabling poor people to participate fully in a democratic society, by utilizing a wide variety of available resources and strategies.”It is this sentiment that informs Estevez’s movie.In The Public, set in Cincinnati, every morning the public library opens its doors to a waiting group of homeless men and women who avail themselves of computers and books, even performing their ablutions in the library’s bathrooms. The giant posters of Frederick Douglass and Percy Shelley adorning its walls are a reminder of the great literary and historical battlers of the past.
wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/12/publ-a12.html

How White Nationalist Jared Taylor Wrote Candace Owens’ Playbook
Today, Turning Point USA communications director and Alt-Lite rising social media star Candace Owens was one of 8 people invited to the House Judiciary Committee to testify on white nationalism and the rise of far-Right violence in the US and abroad. Owens, who was asked to testify by Republicans, predictably argued that white nationalism was not a threat and echoing Kati Gorka and others, claimed that the government should instead investigate those who were opposed to fascism, antifascists.Owens, who has appeared on far-Right conspiracy programs like InfoWars and argued that events like Unite the Right were in fact staged and who recently stated that the German Nazi regime was fine until it left the borders of Germany to become “globalist,” argued in front of the committee that white nationalism was nothing more than a scary boogeyman created to get Democratic votes. She stated:The goal here is to scare blacks, Hispanics, gays, and Muslims into helping [Democrats] censor dissenting opinions, ultimately into helping them regain control. White supremacy, racism, white nationalism, words that once held real meaning, have now become nothing more than election strategies.
itsgoingdown.org/how-white-nationalist-jared-taylor-wrote-candace-owens-playbook/

The International Struggle Against the Fake News of the U.S. Empire: Remarks at the National Writers Union
The Mueller Report’s conclusion cannot reverse the damage that has been done to left journalism and activism by the fake news witch hunt.“Social media and Silicon Valley monopolies changed their algorithms to suppress any content that challenged the many myths of American exceptionalism.”The following remarks were given at the National Writer’s Union April 9thevent “What’s Going on in Venezuela.” Fake news is the creature of a desperate ruling class that no longer has any tolerance for truth. Ever since Trump was used as a “Pied Piper” to aid Hillary Clinton’s failed presidential campaign effort, the Democratic Party and its allies in the corporate media and U.S. intelligence apparatus have lamented the dangers of “fake news” in an effort rid the internet of any deviations from their official narrative. The story goes that Russia helped Trump win the White House by giving WikiLeaks incriminating DNC emails which irreparably harmed the Clinton campaign. And just as WikiLeaks and Russia have been criminalized by lies that implicate them in colluding to tell the truth, we writers and journalists on the left have been criminalized as “dupes” of Russia. The Mueller Report’s conclusion that the Trump-Russia story was a farce from the beginning cannot reverse the damage that has been done to left journalism and activism by the fake news witch hunt.
blackagendareport.com/index.php/international-struggle-against-fake-news-us-empire-remarks-national-writers-union

Jonathan Murphy
Jonathan Murphy

'I Felt Americans Needed to Know': Insurance Industry Whistleblower Gives Glimpse of Effort to Crush Medicare for All
I'm crossing my fingers this leads to Medicare for all.

Dominic Smith
Dominic Smith

On Thursday, students at the university, located in Washington DC, voted overwhelmingly to increase tuition fees and used that money to establish a fund to benefits the descendants of the slaves who were sold.
Whew, let me translate this into real English:

<On Thursday, students at the university, located in Washington DC, voted overwhelmingly to increase tuition fees in order to further heighten the class divide keeping cost prohibitively high for lower class students to afford going there.

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

let's make poor people suffer consequences so we can have reparations for the crimes of rich dead slave owners
it's a mad world innit

Evan Allen
Evan Allen

Let’s leave all that labor unpaid because white people will have their feelings hurt.

Christian Baker
Christian Baker

establish a fund to benefits the descendants of the slaves who were sold
I would be highly amused to see exactly what this money is being used for.

I'm sure the 43 million descendants of African slaves will micro-appreciate this micro-gesture. Of course, we'll have to make sure it isn't collected from the hundreds of millions of descendants of people whose families immigrated here long after the Civil War, making up the overwhelming majority of Americans, or the descendants of poor white sharecroppers that had to scrape out a living competing directly against big slave plantations. Especially since both groups of whites, in absolute rather than relative terms, outnumber African-Americans among oppressed classes such as the poor and the incarcerated, so race-blind efforts to address those problems themselves wouldn't just be fairer for whites, but would disproportionately help blacks.

And, of course, I'm sure there aren't other people who might appreciate such a gesture more, such as the tens of millions of slaves worldwide that are trapped today, including about 6 million in Africa right now, which is more than 15 times the number of slaves that were ever brought to what is now the USA in the entire 400 years of the Atlantic slave trade.

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

dead people need wages
What is it like having internalized the workings of capitalism to that degree?

Noah Williams
Noah Williams

I would be highly amused to see exactly what this money is being used for.
Oh, you know that it is being administered by executives with seven-figure salaries.

Juan Barnes
Juan Barnes

It's still going unpaid. The tuition hike goes into a reparations fund, not worker salaries.

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

How you gonna decide who gets reparations? You gonna ancestry test every burger? You fix this by fixing poverty. Help poor people, and because slave descendants are disproportionately poor, they get disproportionate help. Racist institutions need other treatment (i.e. abolishment) but that's not what we're talking about here. Figuring out the math of how much money was extracted and how to repay that accurately is basically intractable (especially since slavery records were deliberately destroyed by the North to curb counterrevolutionary efforts), and it extremely dubious whether that's even the ideal way to deal with the problem.

Bentley Torres
Bentley Torres

Of course, we'll have to make sure it isn't collected from the hundreds of millions of descendants of people whose families immigrated here long after the Civil War, making up the overwhelming majority of Americans,
We have to abandon any effort to pay unpaid wages if it’s hard.

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

How you gonna decide who gets reparations?
Idk, but there’s been plenty of proposals. Why are you all so keen to protect the money of the richest white porkies in the world. You all recovering /pol/yps or something?

Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

Getting money in a college tuition fund for people who have no chance of going to college isn’t a form of repayment
Burger cope

Blake Powell
Blake Powell

Porky should get to keep the surplus labor of millions of slaves if they’re dead.
What’s it like to so throughly internalize capitalist piety to the bourgeois.

Connor Hall
Connor Hall

but there’s been plenty of proposals
There's plenty of indefensible proposals for all sorts of retarded ideas. Let's hear one.

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

Porky
slaves
surplus labor
Read a fucking book that isn't Settlers.

James Martin
James Martin

wages
You have no idea class works, do you?

Julian Watson
Julian Watson

Why are you all so keen to protect the money of the richest white porkies in the world.
dis nigga actually thinks reparations passed under capitalism would even touch the wealth of the ruling class that was build on the back of slaves
u funny

Landon Scott
Landon Scott

Polish teachers strike confronts social disaster wrought by capitalist restoration
The problem with most of these strikers is they refuse to see the bigger picture. They are philosophically illiterate. I am not talking about this strike specifically. Be it in France, the US or everywhere, they just tackle the issue that is important to them and if addressed or let down by their union or whoever they put on strike leadership, simply disperse.

Ukraine ambassador’s car rammed in London; Police fire shots
Reddit goons call it a Russian psyop.

New Palestinian government sworn in amid factional tensions
Kinda strange how no one reported about the strikes going on in the Gaza strip against the Hamas and the shocking revelation that ISRAELi government supported HAMAS in these.

Gabriel Brown
Gabriel Brown

reparations is basically paying back wage theft, not the general impact and social cost of centuries of racialized chattel slavery
that's why it's so important to do it
This is low key a thermonuclear take.

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Camden Gomez
Camden Gomez

woops wrong gif

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Anthony King
Anthony King

Slave labor wasn’t done to produce commodities.
Is it because saying so hurts your white feelings?

Mason Wilson
Mason Wilson

I-I-I-I wouldn’t come out of the pocket of the bourgeois.
Source: my feelings.

Asher Butler
Asher Butler

You framed reparations as wage theft, therefore the entire idea is fiat.
You white boys sure get toastie about porky having to pay back the several hundred years of capital built with slave labor. You sure this isn’t borne form latent racism. I mean you all love Stalin and he didn’t destroy capitalism in one fell swoop either.

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

No I do, it’s just more understandable to frame it as stolen wages. Yeah slaves got a lot more stolen from than than wages, like their children, their sexuality, Hell even their bodies since they were subject to medical experiments.

Jonathan Cruz
Jonathan Cruz

But I’m not arguing how it should be done, just whether it should be, and I feel that yes reparations should be done. You all white boys never seem triggered about non white people getting paid by the government for getting hurt by porky. Like when class action lawsuits award white people damages, or all the Japanese that were interned during WWII. Curious, it’s almost as thought this while board is just a /pol/ colony of Amerimutts smart enough to realize they aren’t anglos,

Oliver Edwards
Oliver Edwards

doesn't understand the difference between slavers and bourgeois
Not understanding class is always a liberal's first tell.
The source is the article, dumbass. It's a tuition hike.
The slavers are all dead, and so are the slaves. Both are beyond any justice.
it’s just more understandable to frame it as stolen wages
No, it's not. It is just factually incorrect.
Like when class action lawsuits award white people damages, or all the Japanese that were interned during WWII.
You mean actually living people who were wronged by other actually living people? Go figure.

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

The complete in-feasibility of correcting past crimes committed by and against long-dead people is one of the reasons it shouldn't be done. Another is that it doesn't really address class conflict today and will likely undermine solidarity.

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

Not understanding class is always a liberal's first tell.
Disregarding the exploration of chattel slavery is the first sign of a liberal fash apologist.
The source is the article, dumbass. It's a tuition hike.
Next time just say that. Regardless, so the source couldn't be changed? It's like your don't have a good argument against reparations, and just want it dismissed on technical details?
The slavers are all dead, and so are the slaves. Both are beyond any justice.
The capital they were forced to sacrifice their lives to build is still very much around.
All this pretending that all the fortunes porky has weren't built on a foundation of slavery and genocide.
No, it's not. It is just factually incorrect.
Not really, just leaves out a lot of details.
You mean actually living people who were wronged by other actually living people? Go figure.
So decedents of slavers should keep their capital because the original slaver is dead? If I murder your entire family and sell your children into sex slavery, is it okay for my family to keep said wealth?

Kevin Robinson
Kevin Robinson

Your problem is your thought process is completely spooked by the concept of lineage. You're under the very strange delusion that the two historical classes and their descendants have never intermixed in the hundreds of years since the start and end of the institution. What if they have? Should a black American who can trace ancestry to Thomas Jefferson today tax and pay themselves?

Jaxson Green
Jaxson Green

a liberal fash apologist.
LOL WUT
Regardless, so the source couldn't be changed?
Let me know when it does.
The capital they were forced to sacrifice their lives to build is still very much around.
No, it's not. Read Marx.
Not really, just leaves out a lot of details.
No, it is factually incorrect, flat-out wrong.
So decedents of slavers should keep their capital because the original slaver is dead?
The more you use the word "capital" the more it becomes apparent that you have no idea what it means. Seriously, read Marx.

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Michael Cook
Michael Cook

No, it's not. Read Marx.
Okay where does that capitals isn't built on dead labor?

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

Volumn I, Part 2, Chapter 4

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

LOL WUT
fascists are liberal
LOL WUT
Let me know when it does.
Nah, since you're obviously triggered by the vary idea.
No, it's not. Read Marx.
Capital accumulates through the creation of surplus-value. Since a commodity's value equals the labor time congealed in it, this extra value can only come from the workers.
Yes it is, Read Marx. Last time I checked slaves were enslaved so they could do shit tons of work producing commodities.
No, it is factually incorrect, flat-out wrong.
Whatever, that's not why your against reparations. You're against them because your a failson white flight suburbanite acceleratioinist that has so thoroughly internalized zero sum capitalist logic you're afraid of reparations giving black people a comparative advantage to whites.
The more you use the word "capital" the more it becomes apparent that you have no idea what it means. Seriously, read Marx.
The more you ignore the role slavery plays in capitalism the more apparent it is that you are a well positioning brainlet fash apologist. Seriously read Marx.

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Benjamin Jones
Benjamin Jones

*fascists aren't liberals.

Adam James
Adam James

What does it say?

Levi Reed
Levi Reed

Produce some quotes nigga.

Matthew Campbell
Matthew Campbell

Throwing up references to arguments instead of actual quotes or summations that support your argument.
Hi Leftypol, Yeah doing that shows you ain't got shit.

Nathaniel Hall
Nathaniel Hall

Marx says that capital's starting point is with the circulation of commodities.
And slaves produce commodities. How the fuck were they not a part of the process that produced capital. And owning slaves allows you to buy other MoPs, holy shit you're stupid.

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

There is some massive samefagging going on ITT.

Daniel Richardson
Daniel Richardson

Your problem is your thought process is completely spooked by the concept of lineage.
No it's not, black people still suffer disproportionate amounts of state violence and it is ALLLLLLL due to the fact that they lack any kind of property especially relative to whites.
The material legacy of chattel slavery manifests itself in the prison industrial, complex that mostly jails black people, that we have today.
Average black family has $4000 of net worth vs $100,000 of white families. If black people have more property not private property then they will have more power against the state, you know the organ that fucking upholds private property that you fake as white anarchists proclaim to hate so much

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

SO
Produce some argument please.

Luis Clark
Luis Clark

You realize we can measure actual net worth and wealth instead of using imperfect proxies like race, right?

Bentley James
Bentley James

Let me ignore the material legacy of chattel slavery, Jim Crow and the War on Drugs.
Yes, yes, it's completely arbitrary how blacks are so stupidly poorer than whites right? It's not a convincing argument spooked brainlet.

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

Yes it is, Read Marx
I have. You clearly have not. Capital is only capital when it is invested, transformed into productive forces. Capital accumulation is not the same thing as a family's wealth accumulation, which comes entirely out of revenue.

Whatever, that's not why your against reparations.
Whatever my reasons are do not matter. Only the argument itself does.

zero sum
Hi, /liberty/.

Do you need an infograph to understand? Here's one.

disproportionate amounts of state violence
thinks the problem is the proportion and not the violence

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Nicholas Campbell
Nicholas Campbell

You clearly have not. Capital is only capital when it is invested, transformed into productive forces.
Slaves were the productive force, they were living breathing MoPs and treated and capitalized as such in capitalism.
Anyway quote Marx where you supports your idea you little /leftypol/ well poisoning refugee.
Capital accumulation is not the same thing as a family's wealth accumulation,
I never said it was, black people are poor because they were de facto stripped of any ability to own property until the 1960s. Their labor as slaves went into building the capital of many current porky corporations and the state. The White House itself was built using slaves.
Only the argument itself does.
You’re argument boils down to , you misdefined wage theft and, un Marx set nuh uh without actually citing where Marx said that.
thinks the problem is the proportion and not the violence
if your praxis doesn’t produce communism fully formed its illegitimate.
Hmmm didn’t Marx say something about socialism having the scars of capitalism? You sure do love Marx, until following him hurts your white spooks.

Lincoln Johnson
Lincoln Johnson

The capital they were forced to sacrifice their lives to build is still very much around.
Capital is the self-expansion of value. By definition, historical capital is not around today.

Anthony Flores
Anthony Flores

Average black family has $4000 of net worth vs $100,000 of white families.
Keyword: average. There's plenty of white families in West Virginia and Camden, NJ in that same lot. Go to the Pine Ridge reservation and witness a third world country. Does their plight not count because they're not black?

Andrew Lopez
Andrew Lopez

black poverty is unjustified and demands state action to benefit all blacks, poor or otherwise
white poverty is probably deserved or something, no big deal

No. We can actually emancipate all proles instead of playing your weird ethnonationalist games. If your parents are poor or in prison or whatever, who cares how "justified" the reason behind it was? You still don't pick your family and you still inherit nothing.

Anthony Myers
Anthony Myers

Slaves were the productive force, they were living breathing MoPs and treated and capitalized as such in capitalism
That has nothing to do with anything. Capital that was invested a hundred and fifty years ago no longer exists.

Anyway quote Marx where you supports your idea you little /leftypol/ well poisoning refugee.
Christ almighty, it's one page of the most important book in leftist theory. You can read that much.

I never said it was
Yes you did, you lying shit. You said that the same capital from two hundred years ago still exists.

you misdefined wage theft
You can't steal wages from slaves, idiot, because slaves never get wages in the first place. Learn to class.

Hmmm didn’t Marx say something about socialism having the scars of capitalism?
That is a non sequitor. Ithas nothing to do with anything.

John Harris
John Harris

There's plenty of white families in West Virginia and Camden, NJ in that same lot.
Reparations means white people can never be helped.
Those white people aren't poor due to several hundred years of state oppression.
If your parents are poor or in prison or whatever, who cares how "justified" the reason behind it was?
WUT
You still don't pick your family and you still inherit nothing.
This isn't about you or your family, it's about restoring something that was stolen.
That has nothing to do with anything.
No it does since you keep bringing up the fact that slaves weren't proletarians.
Capital that was invested a hundred and fifty years ago no longer exists.
Oh yes it does, the white house still exists. So do many of the roads, canals and plantations. Most of the gynecology we still practice today was perfected on black slaves. Anyway cite where Marx supports your argument
What about black women like Henrietta Lacks who's perfectly replicating stem cells which reproduced by the ton today, but since they were collected while she lived in the Jim Crow south she, nor any of her family see anything. There's oodles of cases like this.
Christ almighty, it's one page of the most important book in leftist theory. You can read that much.
Just find the argument I'm alluding to for me.
Burden of proof is on you. Why is it so hard for you to just cite where Marx supports your argument?
Yes you did, you lying shit.
I said I never equated family wealth with capital faggot, which is what you accused me of.
You can't steal wages from slaves,
Yes you can you stupid fucking deterministic fuck up. Marx's theory didn't intend to encompass every fucking form of exploitation everywhere. If it's not wage labor it doesn't cease to be exploitative you fucking dumb fash fuck up.
That is a non sequitor. Ithas nothing to do with anything.
No it's not, you want to dogmatically adhered to Marx when it's convenient to your white spooks, then abandon them and hold me to completely different standards when Marx's philosophy hurts your white spooks.

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Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

No. We can actually emancipate all proles instead of playing your weird ethnonationalist games.
Lol, recognizing the legacy of chattel slavery is ethno-nationalism. Go back to /pol/.

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

the white house and roads are capital

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Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

It's okay to enslave people if what they were building wasn't capital.
I said the white is proof of shit built during the chattel slavery still being around and being employed. Regardless what are you saying faggot, that since the slaves that built the white house weren't building a factory they weren't being exploited. Holy shit, take your reactionary "He's just misunderstood" Zizek shit outta her.

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Landon Jones
Landon Jones

You sure like to call your opponents "fascists" and "reactionary" a lot when you can't come up with a persuasive argument. Do you actually think that's how you win allies?

Kayden Diaz
Kayden Diaz

Those white people aren't poor due to several hundred years of state oppression.
Yes, they are.

This isn't about you or your family, it's about restoring something that was stolen.
You can't restore anything to dead people.

Oh yes it does, the white house still exists. So do many of the roads, canals and plantations. Most of the gynecology we still practice today was perfected on black slaves
None of which is capital, which you would know if you were to ever read a book.

I said I never equated family wealth with capital faggot, which is what you accused me of.
He says this right beneath this line:
What about black women like Henrietta Lacks who's perfectly replicating stem cells which reproduced by the ton today, but since they were collected while she lived in the Jim Crow south she, nor any of her family see anything. There's oodles of cases like this.
Quit lying, faggot. You keep conflating capital with inhereted wealth.

If it's not wage labor it doesn't cease to be exploitative you fucking dumb fash fuck up.
Add "exploitation" to the list of words you do not understand.

and hold me to completely different standards when Marx's philosophy hurts your white spooks.
You are not citing Marx at all.

Chase Jackson
Chase Jackson

recognizing the legacy of chattel slavery is ethno-nationalism.
Ethnonationalist sentiment is the result of living around non-whites. It’s racial-struggle. Read Gumplowicz. He’s a Jew and even he admitted it

Daniel Scott
Daniel Scott

Those slaves are dead, user. The moral argument for reparations (instead of just outright transfer to the whole proletariat) is based on the idea of a denied inheritance, and if you legitimately support inheritance I don't know how you can call yourself a socialist.

Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

Yes, they are.
No, there was never white chattel slaves, Jim Crow, or COINTELPRO that targeted white liberation movements. Which is what I meant.
You can't restore anything to dead people.
No but you can keep living people from benefiting from it.
None of which is capital, which you would know if you were to ever read a book.
So if I make millions during slavery, or Jim Crow, or during the current prison industrial complex era, and use said money to buy other MoP, those blacks that I exploited in no way facilitated all the Capital I own because they weren't employees LMAO
Quit lying, faggot. You keep conflating capital with inhereted wealth.
Stop being triggered you burger failure. Her continued buying and selling of Henrietta Lacks' cells is capital. It's used in medial experiments that lead to commodified drugs sold through out the world. Yet her and her family continue to see nothing.
Now your saying something a commodity that is not only bought and sold but can replicate itself and produce more commodities isn't capital LMAO.
You are not citing Marx at all.
An instrument of labour is a thing, or a complex of things, which the labourer interposes between himself and the subject of his labour, and which serves as the conductor of his activity. He makes use of the mechanical, physical, and chemical properties of some substances in order to make other substances subservient to his aims.

Leaving out of consideration such ready-made means of subsistence as fruits, in gathering which a man's own limbs serve as the instruments of his labour, the first thing of which the labourer possesses himself is not the subject of labour but its instrument. Thus Nature becomes one of the organs of his activity, one that he annexes to his own bodily organs, adding stature to himself in spite of the Bible. As the earth is his original larder, so too it is his original tool house. It supplies him, for instance, with stones for throwing, grinding, pressing, cutting, &c. The earth itself is an instrument of labour, but when used as such in agriculture implies a whole series of other instruments and a comparatively high development of labour.

It is not the articles made, but how they are made, and by what instruments, that enables us to distinguish different economic epochs… [and] the social conditions under which that labour is carried on…

Slave labored to produce commodities or facilities to circulate them like roads or the white house. They're exploitation goes far beyond wage labor since they could and were raped, and killed at the whim of their slaveholders.
People like Richard Spencer are bourgeoisie now because of the past exploitation of slaver, same with many powerful corporations. Many WWII POWs were enslaved to build up Japanese corporations.
Any, your spooked racist ass doesn't have a leg to stand on. You simply want to let preserve the strangle hold porky has on the current MoP done by perpetuating ridiculous amounts of violence on everyone but especially black people.

Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

So the only argument you have against reparations is that the slaveholders are dead. And that they weren't involved in building capital.
Okay so if I kidnap your child and sell it into sex slavery, but give the money to the criminal organization I was working for, should said gang get to keep it? Even if the state has a means of retrieving it?
For the sake of argument let say I'm killed while selling your child on the black market, since the death of the exploiter is so critical to your defense.

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Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

The moral argument for reparations (instead of just outright transfer to the whole proletariat) is based on the idea of a denied inheritance,
I'm not making a moral argument. There was chattel slavery and Jim Crow for several hundred years. The people that profited from it remain as bourgeoisie or at least petite-bourgeois into today.
By rectifying this even retroactively you deter any future pushes for forms of proto slavery, like today's prison labor, since society has so strongly materially condemned it.
This also gives you a foundation to address exploitation in wage labor. How can you make a case against wage labor when your society implicitly endorses out and out slavery?
This "communism has to be fully formed" praxis is foolish at best, and purposefully destructive at worse.

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John Morales
John Morales

So the only argument you have against reparations is that the slaveholders are dead.
And the slaves. It's a pretty good argument tbh fam

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

Well good thing it's not up to you.
Even liberals see slavery as beyond the pale and recognize the currently oppression of blacks as the historic material legacy of chattel slavery and see reparations as a way to mitigate it.
Anyways, I'll keep trying to make people whole that have been screwed over by the state and porky while you keep trying to protect the wealth their exploitation created.

Ethan James
Ethan James

So if Richard Spencer is a wealthy porky now because of the plantations his ancestors owned during the slavery days. Those plantations magically shed that dead labor of the slaves that built them, even though they're still around producing commodities.
Did these plantations and other MoP get restored back to their predeveloped state when slavery ended lol.
Oh and what of all the other stupendously horrific stuff like the rape, medial expenses and murder that happened under slavery.
You don't think there should be any recompense for that even though lots of money is made on things like hysterectomies which were perfected on black slaves?
So if a Uber car runs over your kid, you won't sue them if Uber fires the person behind the wheel.
Hahahahaha you're either lying, or such a stupendous cuck that you'll be killed by porky soon enough.

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Jason Bell
Jason Bell

But the state, and the corporations that profited from the slavery are still around.
I don't buy for a minute that you wouldn't seek compensation if you were hurt by the state or a corporation even if the people that personally perpetrated it were dead. If so then you're just a huge bootlicking cuck.

Ian Campbell
Ian Campbell

But the state, and the corporations that profited from the slavery are still around.
therefore we need to make po pipo and wypipo pay for the reparations

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Elijah Richardson
Elijah Richardson

Who said anything about making poor white people pay. More butthurt from failson white boys that think rectifying past wrongs for not whites hurts them.

Ryan Baker
Ryan Baker

Who said anything about making poor white people pay.
The plans that have been laid out are going to hurt poor people (including poor blacks) and the blame is usually put on white people per se for slavery, so you're living in some alternate reality pal.

Jonathan Howard
Jonathan Howard

More butthurt from failson black boys that think they're owed money because bad things happened to their great-grandparents

Fixed

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

Porky shouldn't be punished for raping, enslaving and murdering people if it was in the past and it hurts my feelings.
Fixed.

Jace Sanchez
Jace Sanchez

The plans that have been laid out are going to hurt poor people (including poor blacks)
Giving money to poor people hurts them
hahahahaha
and the blame is usually put on white people per se for slavery,
What does this have to do with recompense. So people shouldn't have to make someone whole if social media misunderstands what's going on lol
so you're living in some alternate reality pal.
Lol, open a newspaper. Most of the current Democratic candidates nominally support reparations. It's gone mainstream baby!

Juan Foster
Juan Foster

Porky isn't merely a symbol for the actual meat and blood capitalists.
He's an abstract spirit who inhabits their bodies, and a subject who will understand and respond to punishment in some meaningful way, even if doled out to different capitalists from the ones who did what the punishment is for.

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Benjamin Cruz
Benjamin Cruz

Giving money to poor people hurts them
It does when you "pay for it" through regressive taxes you shitlib.
and the blame is usually put on white people per se for slavery,
What does this have to do with recompense.
The concept is often interpreted as having white people pay for it. Is it even possible to be so ignorant of a topic you're shilling?
Most of the current Democratic candidates nominally support reparations. It's gone mainstream baby!
Well I guess you are that stupid if you think politicians giving nominal support to a policy means anything.

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

Porky isn't merely a symbol for the actual meat and blood capitalists.
Everything is abstraction so you can't sue an abstraction.
WRONG
He's an abstract spirit who inhabits their bodies, and a subject who will understand and respond to punishment in some meaningful way, even if doled out to different capitalists from the ones who did what the punishment is for.
Lol nice strawman of lawsuits. It's to make people whole. If I kill you and you're not around to support your kids they suffer as a result of my actions even if we're both dead.
Compensating your kids would,
1.) make them whole for my action that hurt them
2.) prevent other from being tempted from hurting others in the same manner.
But by all means keep running cover for porky with this bootlicking, you can't really punish porky bullshit.

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

Giving money that you stole from poor people to poor people to assuage your huwite guilt with empty virtue signaling instead of actually fixing structural problems hurts them
Well, yeah.

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Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

It does when you "pay for it" through regressive taxes you shitlib.
Then don't pay them that way shitlib
The concept is often interpreted as having white people pay for it.
So? Make the media inform people that's not what it is. Oh let me guess, the media is impotent too in your eyes.
Is it even possible to be so ignorant of a topic you're shilling?
Lol, this from a person with endless butthurt about trying to rectify the horrific legacy of chattel slavery.
Well I guess you are that stupid if you think politicians giving nominal support to a policy means anything.
Right, I'm stupid for thinking a policy that was considered extreme fringe for decades that is now being talked about regularly in the mainstream, might have a chance of becoming reality. Lol, how do you think things gain support?

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

D-d-d-d-d-d-don't sue porky, he dindu nuffin
Lawsuits are just virtue signaling.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

Why are you stuck on "punishing porky" instead of making people's lives better? If you try to sue the super rich they are going to beat you with legal jiu jitsu.

Then don't pay them that way
That is the most mainstream proposal, using a consumption tax. You should make an attempt to learn what you're talking about before advocating it.
I know you are but what am I
You have to be 18 to use this site.
Make the media inform people…
Who is telling the media what to say in this scenario? Who is the subject of your imagined reparations plans? The media isn't impotent, but it's not their fucking job to inform people. What board do you think this is?
Lol, this from a person with endless butthurt about trying to rectify the horrific legacy of chattel slavery.
If there was a coherent plan that might fix these problems that could plausibly get traction I would support that. All this nonsense going on with the dems right now is pure virtue signalling.
Right, I'm stupid for thinking a policy that was considered extreme fringe for decades that is now being talked about regularly in the mainstream, might have a chance of becoming reality.
Yes.
Lol, how do you think things gain support?
Radicals agitating and scaring the ruling class into making concessions to avoid having their stuff taken.

Aaron Nguyen
Aaron Nguyen

D-d-d-d-d-d-don't sue institutions into scalping proles of all races to fund absurd moralistic virtue signaling gestures, ze dindu nuffin

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Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

Why are you stuck on "punishing porky" instead of making people's lives better?
The less poor people are, the more they can push back against the state.
Why are you stuck on "punishing porky" instead of making people's lives better?
Uh huh
What about:
Class action Smoking lawsuits
Class action Auto Safety lawsuits
Class action teflon lawsuits.
Class action wage theft lawsuits
all successful.
I'm not endorsing the liberal legal system, but your narrative that porky is omnipotent is just objectively false bootlicking.

Lincoln Cox
Lincoln Cox

Y-y-y-y-y-you can't change where the money comes from, it was printed in an article!
You need to be fired from whatever PR firm you work for.

Asher White
Asher White

What about:
Class action Smoking lawsuits
Class action Auto Safety lawsuits
Class action teflon lawsuits.
Class action wage theft lawsuits
all successful.
If that's your standards for "success" and what you think would address the damage of chattel slavery then you're basically a white supremacist.

I think it's like a retarded law student who's trying to apply today's lecture in an online argument.

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Samuel Hernandez
Samuel Hernandez

That is the most mainstream proposal, using a consumption tax. You should make an attempt to learn what you're talking about before advocating it.
Lol nice changing the goal posts. You've made it clear your against reparations altogether, not simply how they might be administered.
You have to be 18 to use this site.
You got so stupendously butt hurt you forgot what point you were trying to make here.
Who is telling the media what to say in this scenario?
The state can, it can be a part of the settlement since what white people think about all this is so precious to you.
Who is the subject of your imagined reparations plans?
Black people that are decedents of slaves. Which is most black people in the US, there was not mass migration of black people after the abolishiment of slavery like there was in the 1800's of cumskins.
The media isn't impotent, but it's not their fucking job to inform people.
The state can make them, and they've done so with these types of suits before. The smoking companies were forced to pay for anti-smoking ads.
If there was a coherent plan that might fix these problems that could plausibly get traction
Lol bullshit, the reaction against the civil rights movement is more than enough to disprove that. Before you say a lot of white people supported the civil rights movement let me just say it was a civil rights struggle because the majority of white people supported it lol
All this nonsense going on with the dems right now is pure virtue signalling.
Agreed, but they're memeing it because it has support from their base.
Yes.
Well than you're an idiot if you think something becoming mainstream can't snowball into a movement and subsequent change, happened a million times before.
Radicals agitating and scaring the ruling class into making concessions to avoid having their stuff taken.
You can't agitate the ruling class into shit. You only get concessions when you threaten their power, like when a majority of people want something they ain't getting

Chase Perez
Chase Perez

If that's your standards for "success"
How is getting millions into the hands of people that were hurt not a form of success. What's your definition of success, smug righteous indignation on a Mongolian Cave Painting enthusiast board?
and what you think would address the damage of chattel slavery then you're basically a white supremacist.
Dafaq are you even talking about. Reparations would make black people less poor. Being less poor means less vulnerability from exploration from the state and real fascists. Since you actually are a fascists you want this vulnerability to be preserved.

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Tyler Torres
Tyler Torres

just because every effort at "reparations" consists of stealing money out of labor's left pocket for the humble gesture of putting some at best of it in their right pocket doesn't mean that's what all slavery "reparation" efforts are
Show me one single instance of this actually coming out of progressively redistributive taxes, instead of being thieved from innocent working class comrades.

Further, tell me why a one-time cash payment would do anything more than past failures of myopic particularist idpol thinking, like affirmative action quotas, as compared with idpol-blind efforts that would simultaneously yield gratitude from poor whites AND disproportionately help blacks due to the very unfairness of the structural issues you're ignoring.

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Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Show me one single instance of this actually coming out of progressively redistributive taxes,
Pic related. Ohhhh you wanna move those goal posts so so so bad doncha. Proposals can't be changed right? If something is coopted by liberals even once it's fiat forever.
UH OH
Better abandon anarchism, since there anarcho capitalist, so that makes you a capitalist. Nope don't try to say otherwise, there tons more prominent ancaps then there are archaists.
Further, tell me why a one-time cash payment would do anything more than past failures of myopic particularist idpol thinking,
Lol, tell me, how does letting people get away with crimes even liberals have agreed are egregious help prevent said crimes from happening in the future.
like affirmative action quotas,
ahahahahahahahaahaha now I know you're a /pol/yp, there were never any quotas. They just made employers post job openings where PoCs would see them a few other very light regs.
with idpol-blind efforts that would simultaneously yield gratitude from poor whites AND disproportionately help blacks due to the very unfairness of the structural issues you're ignoring.
muh zero sum thinking.
Lol, more, if you help blacks only there no way you can help white people as well in other ways, you've used up all your turns!

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Gabriel Reyes
Gabriel Reyes

No, there was never white chattel slaves, Jim Crow, or COINTELPRO that targeted white liberation movements. Which is what I meant.
It doesn't matter. Absolutely everyone is a victim of systemic state repression. It is the nature of the state.

No but you can keep living people from benefiting from it.
Why? It is no more beneficial for black people to have a given quantity of money than it is for white people to have it. Neither of them are related to the historical wrongdoings in question anyway.

Yet her and her family continue to see nothing.
Why should they inherit wealth?

Now your saying something a commodity that is not only bought and sold but can replicate itself and produce more commodities isn't capital LMAO.
It is not the same capital. Capital is only capital until it is realized as money. M-C-M. Subsequent capital investment is a seperate and independent circuit produced by an entirely different calculation. Each M is an extreme pole not simply a recurring node in an endless M-C-M-C-M-C-M-C-M-etc. You would understand that if you were to read

They're exploitation goes far beyond wage labor since they could and were raped, and killed at the whim of their slaveholders.
"Exploitation" has a specific meaning in marxist terminology, that being the extraction of surplus value. Rape and killing have fuck-all to do with it. Speaking of which, don't delude yourself into believing that you cannot be raped or killed at the whim of the ruling class. Just ask anyone who has been to prison.

People like Richard Spencer are bourgeoisie
I don't even know what Richard Spencer does when he is not being punched in the face.

Any, your spooked racist ass doesn't have a leg to stand on. You simply want to let preserve the strangle hold porky has on the current MoP done by perpetuating ridiculous amounts of violence on everyone but especially black people.
You don't know me, you problematic cis-het neurotypical able-bodied white male shitlord.

The people that profited from it remain as bourgeoisie or at least petite-bourgeois into today.
Which you seem to think means wypipo.

It's to make people whole.
Lel. What is this fresh idealist idiocy?

Kayden Robinson
Kayden Robinson

Why should they inherit wealth?
Why shouldn't porky thieves be allowed to do what they want with the body parts of proles.
Lol.

Benjamin Rogers
Benjamin Rogers

Black people that are decedents of slaves.
This shit is like the inverse of the Abrahamic notion of "original sin"–being black is some kind of "original virtue" to you.

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris

wealth should be inherited
kek

Brandon Martinez
Brandon Martinez

Pic related
I'm sure that would be appreciated by its recipients about as much today as the other period proposal of an all-expenses-paid trip to Liberia
letting people get away with crimes
The victims and perpetrators are long dead, and the overwhelming majority of Americans today aren't blood related to either.
there were never any quotas
There certainly were, even openly before lawsuits began, and they continue to be put in place by the overzealous in secret. Regardless, affirmative action extends well beyond "light regs" or "advertising", even in the employment sphere.
if you help blacks only there no way you can help white people as well in other ways
Even ignoring the racebaiting divisiveness of reparations and other idpol circus acts, what's to say this would actually help anyone who needs it? Do blacks get a check in the mail regardless of income? How is that any different from welfare? Where does this money come from? Who oversees this?

The entire thing is nonsensical.

Jack Green
Jack Green

It is not the same capital. Capital is only capital until it is realized as money. M-C-M. Subsequent capital investment is a seperate and independent circuit produced by an entirely different calculation. Each M is an extreme pole not simply a recurring node in an endless M-C-M-C-M-C-M-C-M-etc. You would understand that if you were to read
How does that make the commodities and the subsequent fortunes that were kept by slaveholders not make the exploited? What about the rape and murder they suffered? Does Marx say that people who murder others shouldn't be de-incentived by making it unprofitable? Was Marx against stuff like class action lawsuits.
Slavery is a form of violent oppression far beyond simple wage labor.
Capital is only capital until it is realized as money.
How are plantations and roads that produced commodities sold on the market now "realized as money"?
Speaking of which, don't delude yourself into believing that you cannot be raped or killed at the whim of the ruling class.
Uh no I can't. Which is why myself and the vast majority of people are not. And when the bourgeois do try to get away with this stuff, sometimes they do, but many times they don't, or they do but it's a Pyrrhic victory. Litterally look at any of the wars they started in the last 50 years.
"Exploitation" has a specific meaning in marxist terminology, that being the extraction of surplus value.
How is working for nothing your whole life not an "extraction of surplus value".
Just ask anyone who has been to prison.
I have, and guess what trait the majority of them share. Oh that's right they were all from stupendously poor backgrounds. It's like having property goes along way to mitigating the porky's ability to "rape and kill at a whim". And it's like undermining that monopoly of violence that they use to enforce private property makes the proletariat stronger.
It's like you're using vulgar Marxism to argue the preservation of that monopoly of violence. Just kidding that's exactly what you are doing.

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

The victims and perpetrators are long dead
The wealth and their benefactors are not.
There certainly were, even openly before lawsuits began, and they continue to be put in place by the overzealous in secret.
secret quotas
t. /pol/yp
Even ignoring the racebaiting divisiveness of reparations
No, chattel slavery and Jim Crow are what was racially divisive.
what's to say this would actually help anyone who needs it? Do blacks get a check in the mail regardless of income? How is that any different from welfare? Where does this money come from? Who oversees this?
If I can't get you bogged down into details about how reparations would be administered I can win.
I'm not here to argue how reparations should be done. Only to argue whether doing them in the presumable "right way" would help myself, which it would. I'm not black BTW, just working class.

Sebastian Wilson
Sebastian Wilson

You should profit from stolen body parts for generations.
Do you lick your boots plain, or with toppings of some sort?

Alexander Morris
Alexander Morris

Okay where do chattel slaves fit in within Marx's critique if they weren't being exploited for surplus value.
Were the commodities they produced not sold on the market like that of a worker? What were they then, because they were pretty widely used for producing either commodities or superstructure like roads, the aforementioned White House, etc?
Do slaves fit anywhere in Marx's critique. Do people who are enslaved have no claim to being exploited and therefore entitled to compensation in a Marxist point of view?

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Carter Nelson
Carter Nelson

The wealth and their benefactors are not.
Who are these people? Who aren't these people?
No, chattel slavery and Jim Crow are what was racially divisive.
Which is why those explicit forms of oppression are gone, from explicit laws against them. As opposed to the implicit oppression that persists only on inertia from them under cover of other (non-idpol) explicit oppression that still exists.
I'm not here to argue how reparations should be done.
What if there is no way they can be done, and any effort to carry out your windmill jousting will actually involve doing something completely different, serving an agenda you're too delusional to acknowledge?

Henry Jones
Henry Jones

Which is why those explicit forms of oppression are gone,
But those people were never made whole. Something doesn't cease to be harmful once it's stopped. If I stab you you'll still suffer even after I stop stabbing you. In other words historical materialism.

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

I don't buy for a minute that you wouldn't seek compensation if you were hurt by the state or a corporation even if the people that personally perpetrated it were dead.
I wouldn't, because I'd be dead. It's kind of hard to do things when you're dead.

Colton Anderson
Colton Anderson

What if there is no way they can be done,
But there is, either have the state, the bourgeoisie or both pay for the reparations. How many angels can dance on the end of a needle. I'm afraid you can't present anymore arguments until you've resolved this quandary first.

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

It's to make people whole.

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Liam Bell
Liam Bell

Hereditary debt is a fun concept. I wonder if reparationsanon would be shocked to learn that it was the basis of feudalism and slavery.

Jonathan Parker
Jonathan Parker

If I stab you you'll still suffer even after I stop stabbing you
Unless you're dead, everyone involved in antebellum slavery, or this retarded fake political football.
have the state
Out of whose pocket?
the bourgeoisie
Okay, so, at best, welfare funded by capital gains taxes, which we already have.
pay for the reparations
Pay who? Does income or net worth factor in? Do you use blood quantum? What about transniggers?

Sebastian Howard
Sebastian Howard

Getting money is spooky
Seeing your property break the cycle of poverty isn't pleasing
Lol, if only you could be free of your white spooks

Ian Adams
Ian Adams

Okay your comfortable about your family being cucked by the state oppression that effected them after your death. But most people don't share your state cuckold fetish.

Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

Unless you're dead, everyone involved in antebellum slavery, or this retarded fake political football.
Slavery isn't dead though we have prison labor, it's like because we didn't strip the wealth gained from slave holders, said slave holders used their wealth to continue the institution.

Evan Gonzalez
Evan Gonzalez

Slavery is just unpaid debt.
No it was criminal what happened. Do you understand the difference?

Jace Long
Jace Long

Out of whose pocket?
The government's, let me guess their pocketbook is sacred too now.

David Brown
David Brown

Okay, so, at best, welfare funded by capital gains taxes, which we already have.
Lol no nimrod, reperations would be the money from damages for slavery, which would be more than section 8

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

Unless you're dead, everyone involved in antebellum slavery, or this retarded fake political football.
People being enslaved has no repercussions into the future. We have black slaves in the present via prison labor not because of historical material legacy of chattel slavery but for unphantomable resasons so sayeth the white working class.

William Rodriguez
William Rodriguez

The point ->

Your head

Luis Reed
Luis Reed

This book should be an enlightening read for you. Give it a spin.

Oliver Carter
Oliver Carter

prison labor
The US's incarceration rate was actually a bit lower than other OECD countries until the 1980s.
because we didn't strip the wealth gained from slave holders
As opposed to all the other sources of profit, like the sharecropping and debt bondage that most "free" whites and blacks alike lived in alongside black slavery, and most former slaves were dropped right into following abolition.
their pocketbook
Teh gubmint doesn't have one, they have only taxpayers.
more than section 8
Sooooo… You want a bump to welfare?

David Martinez
David Martinez

Reparations are hereditary debt.
Throw books to make your point.
Just sum up what it says.
The US's incarceration rate was actually a bit lower than other OECD countries until the 1980s.
Interesting, do those other OECD enslave their prisoners, if not it's not comparable.
As opposed to all the other sources of profit, like the sharecropping and debt bondage that most "free" whites and blacks alike lived in alongside black slavery, and most former slaves were dropped right into following abolition.
Whataboutism
Sorry chattel slavery isn't comparable to sharecropping. This is a common liberal trick. Anyway, you can't make a case for addressing the damages from sharecropping when you can't even bring yourself to address the history having human being as property.
Teh gubmint doesn't have one, they have only taxpayers.
Most of the taxes are paid by the bourgeoisie. But since you're trying to protect porky you're going to try to characterize them as "taxpayers" like they're some Joe Shemoe trying to balance his budget on the kitchen table.

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

Sooooo… You want a bump to welfare?
No, I want restitution for slavery. You understand the difference of being deprived of something, then having that something restored?

Isaac Wood
Isaac Wood

Reparations are hereditary debt.
Which is why they're a bullshit concept.

Justin Evans
Justin Evans

How does that make the commodities and the subsequent fortunes that were kept by slaveholders not make the exploited?
It makes the exploitation a historical event experienced only by dead people.

What about the rape and murder they suffered?
Dead people were the culprits, and dead people were the victims. It has nothing to do with the living, nor do the dead notice anything that we do.

Does Marx say that people who murder others shouldn't be de-incentived by making it unprofitable?
The people who profited cannot be made to pay.

How are plantations and roads that produced commodities sold on the market now "realized as money"?
Read the book. Capitalism is not reducable to memes.

Litterally look at any of the wars they started in the last 50 years.
Yep. They got away with every one of them.

I have, and guess what trait the majority of them share.
Several.

It's like having property goes along way to mitigating the porky's ability to "rape and kill at a whim".
Having property is being "porky," you nitwit.

The wealth and their benefactors are not.
Yes they are, cold as Häagen-Dazs.

No, chattel slavery and Jim Crow are what was racially divisive.
"Was" but not "is." Right now, your bullshit is what is racially divisive.

Okay where do chattel slaves fit in within Marx's critique if they weren't being exploited for surplus value.
Slavery is a seperate class from proletarian. When a prole is exploited it occurs when he is forced to sell his labor time–a commodity–for access to the means of production. A slave is not exploited in that manner. In antiquity slavery was a fairly straight-forward theft by the slaver class, but in capitalism slavery took on a different character. The slave in capitalism is functionally identical to the means of production. They are manipulated by hired taskmasters to produce commodities which are then alienated by the slave owners.

Do people who are enslaved have no claim to being exploited and therefore entitled to compensation in a Marxist point of view?
The dead are entitled to anything.

And /pol/ joins the fight on the side of the SJW.

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

In antiquity slavery was a fairly straight-forward theft by the slaver class, but in capitalism slavery took on a different character. The slave in capitalism is functionally identical to the means of production.
Is that really true though? The oligarchs of Rome strove to always increase their stock of slaves by driving peasants further into debt bondage, much like a capitalist striving to increase their capital.

Nolan Morgan
Nolan Morgan

Just sum up what it says
The invention and use of money itself as a concept is the imposition of debt by exploiters to indirectly facilitate extortion from masses of victims.
Interesting
Yes, between 1975 and 1985 American incarceration rate doubled, skyrocketing continually until plateauing at its current level in the late 90s of 0.5‰, which is five times what it was in the USA until the 1980s, and ten times the current average in other OECD nations. This highly abnormal and recent state of affairs is the result of a program of prison privatization and changes to sentencing at the behest of ALEC in the 1980s, not some ridiculous conspiracy dating from the Civil War.
do those other OECD enslave their prisoners
If by that you mean "do they force them to do stuff", yes, all prisons do.
chattel slavery isn't comparable to sharecropping
Oh, it very much can and is, with most international human rights organizations today categorizing it as a form of non-free labor. And not without cause, as (especially when access to bankruptcy is lacking) it amounts to peonage, and has been a or the cause of most revolutions and political upheavals throughout the modern 3rd world.
addressing the damages from sharecropping
In the case of the USA, much as with slavery, the damages are too disbursed to be specifically addressed. Beyond perhaps dismantling corporate agriculture, there is nothing to be done but democratizing access to the MoP, i.e.: Socialist class war.
Most of the taxes are paid by the bourgeoisie
False, even federal taxes are nearly flat across the income scale, and state/local taxes are uniformly regressive due to their reliance on ad valorem:
ctj.org/who-pays-taxes-in-america/
being deprived of something, then having that something restored?
This is so many layers of spooks, I feel like I'm at a séance. How are could the damages of antebellum slavery be "restored"? Send tens of millions of Americans back to Africa? Un-fuck the white and different flavors of black out of them? Purify them of the western devil culture they took part in shaping? Strip them of the material losses and gains of slavery? Generational poverty (afflicting far more whites than blacks in absolute numbers) is FAR from the only thing attributable to slavery.

The ultimate impact of slavery, like the impact of capitalism, is too deeply interwoven into every aspect of our history and our world, bad or good, to be "restored". The best we can do is eliminate sources of oppression that actually exist today, and move on with our lives.

Jayden Rogers
Jayden Rogers

Debt bondage is not unique to capitalism.

Look I've been reading this thread for a while. You don't get the point which is that reparations will do more harm then good when implemented in a capitalist framework such as one where people get a figurative "inheritance" check or some other pseudo-welfare program.

The real reparation is socialism in and of itself.

You look at any of the civil rights leaders that actually scared porkie back in the sixties and seventies they were anti-racist and communist. They wanted to unite workers regardless of race and this scares the American bourgeois because racial tensions keep people from fighting the capitalist system.

Socialist revolution is the reparation, not some milquetoast liberal welfare policy.

Sebastian Bennett
Sebastian Bennett

Socialist revolution is the reparation, not some milquetoast liberal welfare policy.
Haha look at this white saviour complex.

Carson Williams
Carson Williams

How deeply triggering and problematic.

Justin Russell
Justin Russell

I'm not that other idpoler you've been arguing with and completely agree that reparations for dead victims is dumb, I simply question whether the slavery that's occurred adjacent to capitalism actually functions differently than in the past. Were Southern slaves forced to "compete" like capitalists by constant expansion, and is this actually different from pre-capitalism instances of slavery?

Michael Flores
Michael Flores

What about the rape
Whew here we go. Do you have any idea how many rapes have occurred throughout history? Consider this: every human alive in the world almost certainly has an ancestor at some point who was the child of rape. How can we atone for this historic crime? Should we all just kill ourselves?

William Morgan
William Morgan

Southern slaver masters, I mean*
Obviously the slaves had no say.

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

Yes, in Marxist terminology, "slavery" was a mode of production distinct from others:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_of_production#Antique_or_ancient_mode_of_production

Michael Lee
Michael Lee

Slavery in capitalism functions differently in relation to the rest of the system. The value form does not exist in feudalism or slave societies, although both do circulate slave-produced goods. That is not to say that slavery is any more or less miserable in one mode of production than it is in the other. It does, however, mean that slaves are of a different kind of component of the greater economy, and that can be seen in the different laws and institutions that support the institution of slavery in capitalist societies.

Jason Reyes
Jason Reyes

Clearly every decendent of a rapist must pay every decendent of a victim of rape reparations. Wait…

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

It makes the exploitation a historical event experienced only by dead people.
But the consequences of it are still being endured now. The fact of the matter is blacks since day one of the end of slavery have been persecuted by the state and white proles because they were left collectively in a stupendously vulnerable position.
This had locked the vast majority of them in poverty and far more state oppression then their white peers.
Blacks have been used as a sub cadre of proles. The abuses that blacks endure by porky and the state is the normative camels noise in the tent that is used to impose these abuses on white working class usually a generation later.
Take for instance the police brutality that's been gaining mainstream attention. That's level of state violence is been the status quo for generations in black communities but hasn't been taken seriously until now.
Reparations would bring blacks in line with their white people peers.
And sorry oppression and abuse was far beyond shrecropping. You could not take the infant children of a sharecropper and sell it to someone else. Chattel slavery is nowhere near equivalent to eavesdropping, this is a tired troupe white supremacy reactionaries love to trot out, you've obviously have not read any serious historical writings on how ridiculously violent chattel slavery was and how it has no peer.
Then you laughable blame the current high imprison rates of blacks like the reactionary idealist you are.
Blacks weren't enslaved by prison labor because of some law changes. They were enslaved because they were and always have been far more vulnerable than white proles and the laws simply codified this deeply entrenched social relation.
Reparations would address all that, and it would radicalize whites to the left, since they would no longer be able to be placate by porky with racial discrimination a la Trump.

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

*Then you laughable blame the current high imprison rates of blacks on a change in law like the reactionary idealist you are.

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

So, I take it we are past the questions about the same capital existing in perpetuity and inherited wealth. You concede those points, yes? If not, you need to bring something new to the argument, because you got BTFO on those points.

But the consequences of it are still being endured now.
Present reality is a product of the past, but the past is gone and beyond our reach. We can only live as the present unfolds.

blacks blacks blacks blacks
Just like the racists that you share a symbiotic relationship with, you can only think in terms of teams, never actual individuals or events. The Black Man is oppressed by history regardless of what individual black people actually experience. Earlier a guy asked a question that you never answered: who are all these people? Who actually did what to who?

Reparations would address all that, and it would radicalize whites to the left, since they would no longer be able to be placate by porky with racial discrimination a la Trump.
That is one spectacular leap in logic right there.

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Thomas Johnson
Thomas Johnson

If not, you need to bring something new to the argument, because you got BTFO on those points.
I don't think so, it's pretty simple. Past is prologue. The capitalist past chattel slaves enriched many of those institutions still exist. You agree that the US government is existed now and then correct?
Or is it distinctly different because those people are dead. And again, this isn't solely about the force labor past slaves did.
Present reality is a product of the past, but the past is gone and beyond our reach. We can only live as the present unfolds.
Which is why I want reparations to be done in the present.
Just like the racists that you share a symbiotic relationship with, you can only think in terms of teams,
No I'm not triggered by white spooks that haunt my head. It was blacks that were chattel slaves, and it's blacks that continue to be a sub caste of proles now.
The Black Man is oppressed by history regardless of what individual black people actually experience.
Not by chattel slavery, you constantly try to drag this unique and extreme form of bondage into your other spirits to defuse it potency.
Getting cancer is worse than scraping your elbows, but both are injuries.
That is one spectacular leap in logic right there.
No really, racism continues to be the largest roadblock in uniting the proletariat. White people are racists not because of spirits like your dumb ass idealist self thinks. They are racists because it gives them a tremendous comparative advantage compared to blacks and other minority proles.

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

You keep dancing around the Marxist argument that reparations would end the gaping disparity between black and white proles. Funny, it's like you only want to use Marxism to defend unrecognized white supremacy and not to actually change the mode of production.

Carson Cruz
Carson Cruz

I don't think so, it's pretty simple.
It is simple. Capital does not exist in perpetuity, and reperations are entirely predicated upon an idea of inherited wealth. Do you concede those points? If not, bring something new that evidences the contrary.

You agree that the US government is existed now and then correct? Or is it distinctly different because those people are dead.
The state and government officials are different things. The state is an abstraction that serves as aninstrument of the ruling class to maintain the economic base. Government officials are individuals. The state still "exists" as a concept, but all of the government officials from two hundred years ago are dead.

No I'm not triggered by white spooks that haunt my head.
Just black spooks.

Not by chattel slavery, you constantly try to drag this unique and extreme form of bondage into your other spirits to defuse it potency. Getting cancer is worse than scraping your elbows, but both are injuries.
None of that is any kind of retort to what you quoted.

No really, racism continues to be the largest roadblock in uniting the proletariat.
What hilarious horseshit.

You keep dancing around the Marxist argument that reparations would end the gaping disparity between black and white proles.
It is an entirely arbitrary "disparity." It is just statistics.

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Nathaniel Kelly
Nathaniel Kelly

Capital does not exist in perpetuity,
I didn't say it did, but you can draw a lineage from a present day corporation's capital and past exploitation.
Is a cleared and leveled plantation not dead labor?

Jose Watson
Jose Watson

and reperations are entirely predicated upon an idea of inherited wealth.
Not it's not, it's predicated on addressing the current material conditions blacks find them in now that's originated in chattel slavery. It's not arbitrary that blacks have on average $4000 of net worth vs $100000 for whites.

Christopher Lewis
Christopher Lewis

That's level of state violence is been the status quo for generations in black communities but hasn't been taken seriously until now.
[citation needed]
You could not take the infant children of a sharecropper and sell it to someone else.
But you could take the land they were quasi-feudally bound to and sell it to someone else, sharecroppers (and their non-dischargeable debt) included. Those and similar practices formed a gentle slope between wageslavery and chattel slavery that was still being broken up clear into the New Deal.
Reparations would bring blacks in line with their white people peers.
They are already in line with their white peers, who outnumber them among the poor, the ghettoized, and the incarcerated. If, on the other hand, what you meant by that was the disproportionate number of blacks that fall under such categories? That can not be fixed through one-time payments, but only through eliminating the dysfunctions of our economy that allow such severe poverty, crime, and oppression to exist at all. Which would be both far more practical to carry out, and far more politically popular to campaign for.
Blacks weren't enslaved by prison labor because of some law changes.
Then why weren't they imprisoned at such unprecedented rates, surpassing the worst dictatorships in the world, before those laws?
it would radicalize whites to the left
It seems to be doing exactly the opposite right now
shrecropping
eavesdropping
troupe
Are you attempting to longpost and phonepost at the same time?
the anti-Marxist argument that reparations would end the gaping disparity between black and white proles
or
the Marxist argument that reparations would not end the gaping disparity between black and white proles
Fix'd?

Angel Diaz
Angel Diaz

The state still "exists" as a concept, but all of the government officials from two hundred years ago are dead.
abstractions for me and not for thee
Then this makes all your marxists arguments moot. Since the state that Marx was critiquing consisted of people that are entirely dead now, goes for all the proles as well.
Blacks relationship to the state is different than whites and has been for several hundred years.
Just black spooks.
Prison labor isn't a black spook

Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

average net worth
lol

Srsly tho, 19% of blacks have <$0 net worth, vs. 9% of huwhites.

Luis Evans
Luis Evans

[citation needed]
The DoJ in their investigation of the Ferguson police Department found that that city was collecting far more in fines and court fees via over policing to plug budget shortfalls.
Essentially the black neighborhood was a De facto fiefdom. And they were targeted for this by the state because they were black.

James Roberts
James Roberts

What does this outlier have to do with the average?. Oh that's right nothing. For certain some of the disparity is explained by white porkies but not even close to all of it.

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

That's not what you claimed. Show me nobody cared about this before the advent of BLM in Literally Current Year™.

Jaxson Martin
Jaxson Martin

average
Anyone using averages to talk about finances in relation to demographic statistics doesn't is either lying about something, or doesn't understand what they're talking about.

Luis Taylor
Luis Taylor

It's an hour example of blacks being a under caste, proof which you demanded not even a second ago. It's one of innumerable cases.
Why does BLMs past politics have to do with any of this, your just grasping at straws.

Asher Brown
Asher Brown

Y-y-y-you can't deduce anything from averages no matter what.
t. white spooks

David Turner
David Turner

I asked for cite to the your claim that it
hasn't been taken seriously until now
Which is an embarrassing statement, considering copwatch programs date back well past the original BPP.

Averages are easier to deduce, since you only need two pieces of data (a total, and a population), but they are much less useful than other statistical analyses for most applications, and indeed completely worthless for subjects such as wealth disparity.

Cameron King
Cameron King

I didn't say it did
What a stupid thing to lie about. People can scroll up, you know.

Not it's not
If you call it "reparations," and it's for wealth created by dead people, then yes it absolutely is based on the concept of inherited wealth.

abstractions for me and not for thee
Hold up. Are you taking the position that states are not abstractions or that individuals in government are abstractions? Either is equally fucktarded, but it would be useful to know what specie of fucktardation we are dealing with.

Since the state that Marx was critiquing consisted of people that are entirely dead now, goes for all the proles as well.
Okay, that sounds like you mean that states are not abstractions, but that is buried beneath yet another layer of fucktardation: Marx criticized capitalism, not the state. Proudhon and Lenin criticised the state. What exactly do you read besides tumblr?

Prison labor isn't a black spook
It's also not particularly black.

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Nathan White
Nathan White

People can scroll up, you know.
Quote the posts then nigga. I said slave labor was used to build capital in the past and that capital was leveraged by those porkies, that some of the capital still existed, like old plantations.
Your autistic vulgar Marxist ass just got triggered by someone supporting reparations.
My argument for reparations isn't purely Marxist anyway. Retro activity paying for reparations will normalize the abolishment of slavery, break the cycle of poverty many blacks find themselves in, and denormalize current forms of slavery like prison labor, or Chinese labor which is more like sharecropping in practice that you find so abhorrent but only when it's white people
The idea that current porkies aren't in their current entrenched capital accumulation positions because of past slavery is ridiculous.
Theres tons of earth work done by slaves still being leveraged into capital today. I also cited Henreita Lacks' cells still being replicated and sold. Both dismissed out of hand because that labor was written off even though that dead labor is still an input to a slew of commodities on the market now.

Hunter Reyes
Hunter Reyes

Marx criticized capitalism, not the state.
But all those capitalist he critiqued are dead. Like you said, since Marx and those capitalist are dead it's not the same capitalism. This is litterally your argument with the whole "the slave and slave holders are dead".
That capital those slaves built was leveraged to buy into other forms of capital, then leveraged again into new capital, into today. You never heard the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. You really think rich families are constantly changing classes with poor prole family lol.

Lucas Green
Lucas Green

Marx critiqued a system idiot.

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

You don't know what capital is. You don't know what spooks are. You don't know what marxism is let alone what vulgar marxism is. Exactly what theory is your shit based on?

Inb4 you were only pretending to be retarded.

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Juan Miller
Juan Miller

Okay since you’re the expert. If slaves cleared a forest. Then I build a factory on it today, how is their dead labor not an input of my capital?

Josiah Perez
Josiah Perez

Is the state that Marx wrote about in 1800s the same state we have now? You said all the salves and slave holders are dead so we can’t get punish them for slavery. But we still have slavery? And we still have the state, but neither have the people in them from Marx’s time. You’re just some cherry picking faggot that can’t keep their own abstractions straight.

Zachary Wood
Zachary Wood

You still won’t answer the question, do poor people get oppressed by the state more? You laughable posited that giving money to poor blacks would still leave the poor. You still won’t put forth an explanation as to why blacks have suffered disproportionately for the entirety of capitalism is ways unparalleled to other races, Marxist or otherwise. And you have this weird a prior assumption that any exportation that doesn’t fall within Marxism is somehow not legitimate.
Does the fact a huge corporation like Disney has practicality all the MoP in entertainment completely divorced from their past exploitation of workers? Is that what Marx said? Lol

Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

But all those capitalist he critiqued are dead.
Marx critiqued the system of capitalism, not individual people, you retard.

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Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

You don't know what capital is.
It’s equity in the means of production. The money made off of slaves was used to buy more capital.
You don't know what spooks are.
Lol, this coming from a person that has made one non spooked argument against reperations. You’re “T-t-t-they’re dead” argument is so spooked, as though current social relations have no bearing on current ones.
Anyways a spook is an idea that you subjugate your self to.

Lincoln Edwards
Lincoln Edwards

I know that retard, I’m mocking the other anons critique of reperations.

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

Lol, you may know what a spook is but you haven’t applied that knowledge one bit to bust your white spooks lol. Like all dogmatic Marxist you don’t actually want to change things, just argue authistically about bullshit.

Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez

Prison labor isn't a black spook
It's also not particularly black.
Oh yes it is.

Jose Sullivan
Jose Sullivan

do poor people get oppressed by the state more?
That's not how it works. The state and capital are an interlocking system and co-dependent on each other. Neither "oppresses" (liberal term) people more than the other. They are part of the same thing.
You still won’t put forth an explanation as to why blacks have suffered disproportionately for the entirety of capitalism is ways unparalleled to other races
The west, especially the US had a lot of room for development. Slavery was the most efficient growth model, so it was adopted. Racialized slavery made the slave system more sustainable by having an entire (easily identifiable) demographic designated for slavery. This continues today with prison labor and suppressed wages for poor people who are largely nonwhite.
Does the fact a huge corporation like Disney has practicality all the MoP in entertainment completely divorced from their past exploitation of workers?
You couldn't pay reparations for all those workers either. You don't even bother to imagine the logistics of figuring out who gets what before you assert that reparations are necessary. If you want to be taken seriously by people with functioning brains, you need to understand the position that you're trying to advance.

They have nothing to do with each other. Plantation slavery has ended. Reparations don't address what's gone. Slavery in general persists, and reparations ignore the need to end it. It's a stupid liberal policy that fails to acknowledge basic realities, unlike Marx's critique of capitalism which remains extremely pointed and a useful way of understanding how the system functions and its tension points.

Evan Edwards
Evan Edwards

Slavery was the most efficient growth model,
Lol, spoken like a true spooked white supremacist capitalist cuck. Chattel slavery was wildly inefficient, requiring a sprawling police state that was unsustainable. The north did not single handled free the slaves. It was a three front war of the Northern army, slave revolts, and white insurgents in the south helping slaves.
Slavery only benefited the large porky slave holders and this was widely known but white southern workers.
The fact that you would fall for slaver revisionist history that chattel slavery was in anyway necessary even under capitalism proves the reactionary vulgar Marxist piece of shit that you are. Pretty sure you ain’t going to find a Marx quote that characterizes chattel slavery as “the most efficient” LMAO get outta here you spooked mutt burger.

Nathan Nguyen
Nathan Nguyen

Pretty sure you ain’t going to find a Marx quote that characterizes chattel slavery as “the most efficient”
Spoken like someone who doesn't even know what histmat is.

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

You talk about histmat but completely ignore the current sub caste blacks find themselves. And the racial animosity said material conditions create. You're dumbass idealist self probably thinks white people are racist because they actually think black people are less people, and not because it gives them a comparative advantage. How's that for histmat asshole.

Julian Kelly
Julian Kelly

Bullshit. Proove it.

Logan Parker
Logan Parker

And now he's back to samefagging.

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

The surest sign of insecurity in one's own arguments is the persistent need to throw around attacks on the character of one's opponents in the midst of an argument.

Jaxon Ward
Jaxon Ward

You're dumbass idealist self probably thinks white people are racist because they actually think black people are less people
"You're" dumbass idealist self probably thinks white people are racist, period.

Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

No, the surest sign of insecurity in one's argument is to deny that you made that argument at all after you get BTFO.

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