How do I de-spook someone after they've read this crap?
How do I de-spook someone after they've read this crap?
Carson Lewis
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Ian Nelson
The classic, complete with vintage assravaged bitching in the comments section:
thecharnelhouse.org
Ethan Howard
Pretty much any og tbh. Sakai's work is like the workerist concept of the proletariat in that it ignores what makes a proletarian (the wage labor relationship) in favor of social characteristics.
Dylan Clark
I'm slowly becoming aware that it's not actually good enough to ignore and dismiss this kind of divisive idpol. We actually need to engage with it so that we can expose all the holes in it and bring others back into the fold of working class solidarity.
Matthew Lewis
Ask them what they believe and then criticise their arguments if you disagree? Most of Sakai's errounous assumptions is that he obscures the definition of the working class. His theory of settler-colonialism isn't even wrong, but to assume that no white people were working class is wrong, and even during literal slavery you had white particular interests to ally with black slaves and workers against the ruling class.
Juan Bailey
That's not a good critique and Charnel House is a pretentious pile of shit.
Jacob Allen
To claim that all whites are reactionaries and the working class vanguard must be black or indigenous? That's bad IdPol. To say that there are relations between black and whites that go beyond class through centuries of colonial stratification and are present in the superstructure of the division of labour? That's good IdPol.
Dylan Allen
So does this book pretend Bacon's Rebellion didn't happen then?
Grayson Martinez
The idpol are the historical and present hierarchical relations based on identity. Pointing it out isn't idpol. What is idpol is to declare that because of these relations we need to establish an inverted version of these relations. Anti-idpol is removing political identity, which involves acknowledging its existence. Establishing new political identity is pro-idpol, even if it's in the name of opposing other idpol - that's how most idpol was historically established.
The racial lines of exploitation are a lot more complex than whites exploiting blacks though. It's almost exclusively an elite minority of whites benefiting from these relations, rather than whites as a whole, who only benefit in the sense of a transfer of wealth from the third world to the first world (which also benefits first world blacks). The active repression of blacks in the first world is not to the benefit of whites in general, only the elite whites. A cop killing Tyrone doesn't help Cletus, just Mr. Beauregard. The race relations of intra-national white supremacy are against the interests of most whites, because it divides them and blacks against each other. The race relations of colonialism are in the interests of anybody in the imperial core, even if they're kept from fully enjoying the fruits. That interest is mostly marginal, however, and it's again something that happens because it benefits the ruling class rather than racial groups. It's just that the ruling class happens to be racist so it keeps itself mostly homogeneous.
Bentley Robinson
This is fucking garbage. If this is the best you have it is fucking hopeless and you might as well slit your fucking wrists open.