LeftyBritPol - Tory JUST Edition

Because BO decimated our board

you're standing on a beach blaming canute for making all the water disappear

Bumping cus leftybritpol threads are always quality

(screams in Keynesian)

For all he was laughed at as unelectable in 1983, he got surprisingly close in 1976. 43.8% Foot/56.2% Callaghan. (137/176 respectively.) He's probably the more realistic leftish choice for leader.
The problem on the left is, of course, that Foot was first and foremost a party man. The conscience of that party, but a party man, where Benn was an ideological man treating the Labour party as a vehicle. Still, it would've made the late 1970s even more interesting times.
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Sometimes I wonder what things would be like had we undergone the 1980s under Denis Healey as a British Bob Hawke expy. (i.e. charming funny labo(u)r man overseeing the transition to neoliberalism, with all the misery that entails.) That's less an economic question (we'd be miserable and poor while the city made bank, plus ça change.) and more a cultural one. It's hard to imagine Healey occupying the same place in the public imagination as Thatcher did, and it also raises all kinds of questions about how impregnable that administration would appear. (Do the Conservatives pivot back to Heathish paternalistic Keynesianism, or promise to be more Healeyite than Healey?)

To get that outcome you probably need Wilson to win 1970 then lose 1974, though.

You lads seen the news thread?? Trump seems to think that if the government banned us protesting his arrival, that would actually stop us. How quaint.

Eh we'd be more like France: the ideal would be betrayed a few years into the 1980s (see: Mitterand) then Labour would slowly die as neolibs took over (think Blair but Blair doesn't win anything) then we would see a popular leftist take back control in the 2010s…
Wait a second this is just our timeline with less privatised shit, wtf.

Am I blind 'cause I can't see it. Also I think if they did that it would actually make more people go. If there are protests when he comes I'll probably go even if they are likely gonna be liberal hellholes. Maybe if they did ban it they would become more radical.

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Didn't you get the memo? Trump said that if your protest sign is funny enough or has a sick enough reference he'll resign.

Just came back from the Labour NHS rally with Corbyn.

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got a feeling the tories will scrape to a win at the next election
although that's fine too. these morons are on the verge of destroying capitalism.

I’m a Labour party member with nuanced views – but to Momentum I’m a “Blairite”
newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/01/i-m-labour-party-member-nuanced-views-momentum-i-m-blairite
Blairites on Suicide watch

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Any good?

Nah, and absolut deadlock that cannot be broken without a re-election on a different voting system is the only real way.

He's a blairite.

Jon Ashworth was there and was quite good speaking at some length about Labours plan to rebuild the NHS. Idea of housing, social care etc being a form of housing was mentioned throughout and later reflected by Corbyn.
As far as mentioning the dirty S word, Corbyn said that Labour is a party of 'Socialism and Social Justice' and that 'Socialism in action is the NHS'.

The whole thing felt like the NHS was a battering ram to make case for collective action and public ownership.

cucks

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Yeah, polling today shows that people think the NHS is now more important than brexit.

Oh look, it's muff poster.

thesun.co.uk/news/5427253/pm-could-face-no-confidence-vote/
Three more Tory MPs call for PM to go amid fears of ‘meltdown’ in May’s local elections

ARBEITER BAUERN…

What did leftists do to stop Blairs new labour from taking over? How do you think they felt when he won in 1997?

I mean Corbyn was going around saying "Blair is a twatmonger" for most the period.
As for why he won, it's simple: The lib dems were strong and the tories were absolute fucked.

This is what right wingers actually believe

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Wow No fucking point made his entire post
What a shock
What is this "Art" he was talking about?

the christcom-trot synthesis

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Bitch

Want your opinion on a matter involving an user's encounter with monarchists in /leftytrash/.
If the English monarchy is dissolved (assume it's still liberal democracy) will the crown would be allowed to keep all the land they legally own from the 1600s (which they still own today)?

From my understanding the crown doesnt only own the land in theory (much like most of the English monarchy's power). The state would probably "force" the crown to sell the land to them since the state currently controls the Crowns land and receives the money it makes.

I didn't say they'd stop it, i just mean that regardless of whether its legal, there will still be large protests.

We aren't American, queers are literally some of the most class conscious people in the UK, and im not joking.

Can we get crowds of people to make an 'orange wanker' football-style chant? Straight forward, but has some bants potential.

Anons, what do you feel are the reasons for the low productivity of the UK? In my perspective I feel the low wages and poor housing prospects saps people’s incentives to work hard. What do you feel are likely reasons? How could we solve it?

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It could be partially that I live in the shithole hellscape that is Cumbria, but most good leftists i know are queer. Knowing one neoliberal queer isn't an excuse to alienate a group with huge potential to be radicalized.

Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that, I’m trans myself. It’s just that a lot of gay people subscribe to weird conservatism. I think it’s partly a mix of ‘fuck you, i got mine’ the other groups now that homosexuality is becoming more or less accepted, and also because some wanna feel part of the traditional culture and not part of a counter-culture.

Actually i agree with you, my fellow tranny. I think a lot of middle aged gay men find themselves falling in line with neoliberal bollocks because they want fit in. Sorry if i came of as hostile, just so many people on leftypol are anti queer its kind of hard to tell

low investment, low skills, bad management culture, weak demand.

Kill yourselves.

Rude

No?

theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/28/hundreds-of-thousands-living-in-squalid-rented-homes-in-england

Shits bad comrades, this is 19th century tier.

IT'S THE BEST SYSTEM WE HAVE

Also turns out young turnout didn't increase that much: the Corbyn revolution isn't just for edgy students lads.

IT'S BACK ON BOIS

standard.co.uk/news/london/london-braced-for-biggest-protest-in-uk-history-against-trump-visit-as-celebrities-and-politicians-a3751666.html

Should have known this shithole would be full of mentalists. Get yourselves checked out, lads.

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You know lad, as a rugby player I am kinda a fan of a health service that is free at the point of use.

Tbh this is boring, it is not going to help anyone.

Capitalism's the best and brightest when it comes to breeding its own enemies, as usual, it seems.

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In the real world Heath won 1974 and oversaw a disastrous period of strikes and high inflation which lead to a period of Labour dominance through the 1980s. After taking power at the beginning of the decade, the benefits of North Sea Oil to the treasury were immense with a significant proportion being stored offshore in a sovereign wealth fund. Neoliberalism was still the dominant global paradigm, and many people will never forgive Labour for the consequences of the end of full employment, but nonetheless Britain retains railways and airlines in state ownership (albeit the latter as a for-profit state owned enterprise.) and the trade union movement remains strongly influential in the politics of the Labour party, with a majority of the last Labour cabinet having some form of association with a trades union.
We live in an alternate history dystopia to that reality where it's assumed since Labour won, we can butterfly effect Heath's corporatism and fear of unemployment out of the picture and replace him with the second or third maddest person on the Tory front bench…

We'll keep on going, of course… but in what manner?
it's actually a fun sort of "they are both the worst" situation, since if you do accept this story then Wilson only won two elections, meaning Blair beat him. Of course, a radical centrist bipartisan compromise is to have Labour win 1974a (meaning Wilson has equalled Blair), then lose 1974b (1975?) to a Con/Lib coalition that nosedives into the ground in 1979-80.

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theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/31/shares-in-uk-government-contractor-capita-plunge-40-after-profit-warning
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Capita: almost £1bn wiped off value of UK government contractor==
Looks like another one is going down lads. Also can this thread be made cyclical yet? Leftybritpol is one of the best parts of this board.

Labour plans to make landowners sell to state for fraction of value
theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-plans-landowners-sell-state-fraction-value

Corbyn is going to make Mao look like a fucking liberal

solidarity.scot/corbyn-moves-right/
FUCK

tbh he cant say yes can he. Most of his MPs hate him as it is and are just waiting for an opportunity to back stab him again so out right saying he is a socialist wouldn't be the best idea. Also he isnt really a true socialist, but is paving the way to a future socialist labour party. He just needs to grow some balls after the local elections and purge the party of Blairite scum

youtu.be/5b8_rp1GY7k
TL;DR: he was opposed to it being removed, but he won't say whether he will go back. However what he suggests in the video is actually "CLAUSE IV DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH".

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Also yeah it seems like he wants to back but doesn't want to directly say it and will get around it by making a new clause thats basically the same thing but with extra shit added.

Just saw someone unironically say the UK should have an equivalent of a tea party, can't even imagine how poor that would go. At least I can live with the fact he probably lives in one of the safest Labour seats in the country so he's permanently annoyed by those around him.

Even when things look bad here I always think about how much worse our American comrades have it. Thank god we dont have a tea party equivalent

Dude we did: it was/is called UKIP.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think Corbyn's (and lets be honest here) minor success isn't going to inspire a far larger far right reaction.

It's been several months and no such reaction has happened.

Where do right-winger get these terms from? It's like one day they just turn on a dime and all start repeating the same insult. Like cuck, snowflake, and SJW were actually kind of effective terms (though I'd never actually use any ofthem), but these new ones like soyboy, low t, bugmen etc. all just sound stupid.

They all read the same shitty blogs and propaganda outlets.

Lad, you have it the wrong way around: Corbyn IS the reaction. To the recent financial crash we have seen a near-universal reaction across the cultural west, that of two movements bound together: National populism (UKIP, Tea Party, Southern FN, Western AfD) and Post-Fascism (BNP, Richard Spencerites, Northern FN, Eastern AfD). The reason the UK has a large far left movement now is that 1) the post fascist movement started to gain ground in 2005 and peaked in 2010, well before most in Europe 2) the two movements never linked arms in the UK like they have done in other places (Frances, Germany and America). As such, they fell apart quite quickly. You see Corbyn is the leftist reaction to the failure neoliberalism and the inability of right wing populisms to deal with the issues of the modern age.

We /Militant/ nao

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42920547

Nah we're not: Militant never got Benn elected.

These are the policies btw:

I've always found some irony in the way "for the many, not the few" was one of those unobjectionable Blairish phrases that came to embody Corbynism by accident.

Corbyn's success followed our moment of "right-populism" though.
(In Brexit, which yeah I know wasn't strictly right wing or even undesirable, but still. That was the illusion.)

NEED a labour government to abolish council tax entirely and introduce something-anything less terrible.

Iirc introducing a LVT to replace both council tax and dbusiness rates was in the good o' red book.

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That's when the ruling class stops pretending they were bugs, and reveals they were features and we all get to live under a dictatorship

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-42925660
So much for the fiscally responsable right.

theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/02/haringey-boss-claire-kober-the-argument-that-im-incompetent-would-not-have-been-used-if-i-were-a-man
Haringey boss Claire Kober: 'The argument that I’m incompetent would not have been used if I were a man'
Liberals man.

Sad that Corbyn supports the Trans nonsense. He should be learning from the experienced second wavers rather than hysterical teenagers like Madigan

lmao cockshott is a TERF

I think you have the wrong Cockshott, unless they are both TERFs.

The thing is he doesn't play it up much, he is pretty much like most britons: positively not giving a shit.

I figure the fight at the Rees Mogg meeting is worth bumping this thread for. The right wing mind is a fascinating thing. They are able to carry on behaving as if it was the protestors are at fault and the RM supporters even when there is footage of the RM punching a woman in the face.

an incorrect analysis

Honestly JRM scares me: there are enough people wanting to LARP Downton Abbey in this country that he could make his way to PM.

There are several flaws in this analysis:
1) Polls between elections mean fuck all, Kinnock was polling over 50% in 1991.
2) As for swing seats, things are actually changing quite drastically: for starters there is no such thing as a safe seat in Scotland anymore: literally we had people with absolute majorities get kicked out last time. The next election shall see an earthquake in rural southern England: Jerusalem shall be red again.
3) He didn't have it easy last election, the tory gaffs meant jack shit: it was the early manfiesto and the hype around it created by the leak (which I am like 99% sure was deliberate).
4) On him being fuck old, honestly I don't think he will make it to 2022 either: his aim is to reform the party so whomever comes after him will carry forth his vision without moderation. We are already seeing several leftist successors come in his wake.

It does look like we will have an election by 2019 , Richard Leonard made the point in an interview that the house of commons as it stands will never agree on the final brexit arrangement. There are enough hard brexit and pro EU torys to cause a stir and block the governments bill, unless somehow they come to an agreement parliament will end up in deadlock and would lead to another GE. Hopefully Corbyn will have sorted out the party. Does anyone have any ideas who his successor might be, Emily Thornberry seems to be the most likely choice for the soft left "unifying" candidate. I cant see John McDonnelll going for it but hopefully he stays on as Chancellor of the Exchequer for a bit. Dose anyone know any up and coming left wing candidates who could take over? Maybe Clive Lewis but he is seems too young still?

I worry about Thornberry, she openly said she supported "reforming capitalism" on QT like a year back. There are a few names tho, Laura Pidcock (the QT that says she wouldn't be mates with any tory MPs). Chris Williamson was a favourite until he quit after saying council tax should go up 200%. Keir Starmer is a bookies' favourite, although I don't know how quality his leftist credentials are tho. A few others are Rebecca Long-Bailey; who was actually one of the 36 to nominate Corbyn in the first place, Clive Lewis as you said; (who hangs around with Varoufakis, Zizek, is a part of DiEM25 and is a vet who is anti-war), Angela Rayner; who is not really that ideological (for either blairism or Marxism-Benninism) and just wants to fix the education system she feels failed herm (while admirable I am not sure if it is what we want) and finally Richard Burgon; who has Paul Robeson, Pro-Palestinian and Momentum stuff on his twitter.

So yeah there is a crop, but at the end of the day the leader won't matter much as it is McDonnell that is doing most off the leg work at the end of the day.

I agree. The one thing people are ignoring is that the real momentum (honhonhon) is not coming from Momentum but from leftist members joining and doing stuff. These people aren't ideologically trained, they just want shit to get fixed and they see the Labour programme as the means of doing this. They're proletarians of all stripes and are a part of the revolutionary subject: and they are being mobilised in a way not seen since perhaps the end of the second world war and the 1945 election. Time will only tell where we go from here, but if we keep the ship sailing I have hope we can fix this rotten country.

Made some OC, spread it: especially with your scottish mates.

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Fuck me just noticed the spelling errors, if someone could fix it I would be grateful.

A white supremacist who plotted a machete attack on people at a gay pride event has been convicted of a terror offence.

He was described by his barrister as "lonely and inadequate" and as having an autism spectrum condition.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-42944925

The absolute state of Zig Forumsyps.

forgot pic

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Iron that shit you lazy twat.

Of course.

jesus christ how horrifying
The greatest rivalry in history.

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The government spends ages confiscating knives but let machetes and axes slip by. Fuck's sake bobbies, are you even trying?

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my son yuo are bisexual now, you must choose
or

Pointless twitter drama, but still bants.

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with a possibility of a market crash, I hope you lads know what you duty is

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