Media War On Russia

Russia is not imperialist. Also, it's fascism if it's actually targeted inward, and in this case, it is. All the Russia scare shit is being used as a cover for censorship of anyone who is critical of the USA or capitalism. Socialists are getting purged from twitter, facebook, youtube, google searches, and so on. But go on whining about Russia you loathsome Trot, if there's any solace I'll have when Eric Trump's private militia has me on the gallows, it's that you'll be next in line after me.

Keep in mind that Hillary Clinton was ordained to be the next president and she wanted a fucking NO FLY ZONE in Syria. Meaning if she were president the US would have shot down a Russian plane by now. She was gearing up for war with Russia, and without her the media is doing that job. Trump can't just flip on it because that would just be too obvious, even for Trumpets. The oligarchs want a war with Russia. Why? Oil.

Oil companies don't want to die, but that's where they're headed given the cheapening of alternative energy and the problem of global warming. Enter Siberia. Siberia is bigger than any country on earth barring Russia, and global warming is going to thaw out its permafrost, making it ripe for drilling oil, of which it has billions of tons. The same will happen to antarctica (which is bigger than Siberia) but that land is controlled by international law so to drill there porky will pull some legal shenanigans. The world, especially its governments and militaries, runs on oil, and a lot of people are desperate for it to stay that way.

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No she wasn't, she wanted to sanction Russia for their direct military intervention in Ukraine and Syria but she didn't want a full-blown war with Russia. Don't be retarded.

Probably but that wouldn't have caused a full-blown NUCLEAR war with Russia. Just like the border skirmishes between Israel and Syria-Iran haven't caused a war between them and just like the border skirmishes between Pakistan and India haven't caused a war between them.

Yes Russia is fucking imperialist you tool.

I am definitely getting banned (again) for this but you people are just neocons with a minus sign. Nothing outside of your star-spangled bubble exists. You are completely ignorant of how Russia suppresses leftism and imperializes neighboring countries, particularly in the Caucasus and Central Asia, how its foreign policy directly serves Russian oligarchic capital, you only care where in relation to America it stands.

This amerigoblin idea of imperialism is imperialist thinking on itself. It has little to do with any leftist theory of imperialism except Kautsky's ultra-imperialism - which was criticized by Lenin, who realized that multiple poles of imperialism will always exist under capitalism.

A sane leftist realizes both sides as enemies. Rooting for the 'underdog' in a conflict between two imperialist forces is incredibly near-sighted and idiotic.

If there's any solace I'll have when Russian police would brutalize me, call me an American agent and slide a baggie of weed into my pocket for good measure, for attending a leftist demonstration or a labor strike…oh wait, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING but it's ok because Russia is anti-imperialist gang.

Сталина на вас нет сука.

I know this feel man! Plenty of annoying americans telling us, Russians that putin is anti imperialist, leftist or any other idiotism

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That is true, but it is nonetheless even more true that anti Russian sentiment is currently being stirred in the US, and not because Russia is imperialist, but purely to shore up the US regime and bludgeon internal opposition, mostly from the left.

All reactionaries are to be squeezed for all anti-imperialist potential they have then discarded, I thought this was already established?

Yes they are, all developed countries necessarily and inevitably become imperialist, read Lenin. Or better yet, look at their actual foreign policy in Belarus, the Caucasus, and Central Asia.

Internal repression of socialist dissent is not fascism, by that logic literally every western country was fascist by the 19th century. Fascism is a specific ideology, not just whatever your immediate political agenda demands it to be. You are literally on the same level as “ANTIFA are the real fascists” retards.

So are you suggesting that we shouldn’t criticize an imperialist capitalist country that represses socialism, democracy, and internal dissent in general just because their imperialism opposes America’s imperialism and they pander to Soviet nostalgia?

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If that’s the case then reserve your sneaky 4D chess felatio of Russia to the public sphere, not an anonymous image board on a Cambodian finger painting forum.

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Are you saying that Lenin doesn’t argue that all capitalist countries eventually become imperialist? That’s literally the entire point of Imperialism: The Highest Stage or Capitalism. It’s in the fucking title.

Russia supports American imperialism, because Russian government literally invests into supporting american foreign debt, and Russian oligarchs store money stolen from Russian people in western banks.

It’s also a given that Russian porkies, like all porkies, invest in American oil and arms companies.

What's reslly annoying is that the western media thinks Stalin becoming a national hero "again" in Russia is a work of Putin and not just Gorbachev / cold war anti-Stalinism dying off

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What’s also annoying is that people think that Soviet nostalgia is based on a desire to re-implement socialism and not Russian nationalism that sees the USSR as Russia’s period of greatest national prestige. There is a town where they just recently erected a statue of Nicholas II across the street from a statue of Lenin.

The more imperialism is a zero-sum game, when imperialist actors pursue an imperialist agenda, they will inevitably clash with other imperialist actors doing the same, and that's what begets anti-imperialism. Can't have another 1917 without another 1914. It's simple dialectics.

I hope Grudinin will fix this.

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Goddamn the dregs of revisionists need to be fucking killed.

You realize that left icon is the symbol of Russian nazies?

Yep. Also consider the caricature:

Eventually, given the conditions to grow. Not simultaneously you nitwit.

And Russia has had the time and conditions to grow. It’s a large, economically developed and militarily powerful country that has already engaged in imperialist activities among its neighbours. Even if Russia wasn’t imperialist, supporting it just means supporting a country that would eventually become imperialist, making the act of supporting it entirely pointless.

No it hasn't. It isn't imperialist, sorry your stupid Trot brain can't handle that.

Who is even talking about support? What does support mean? Support to what? Support for Russia's assistance to the Syrian government? How does your imagined eventual Russian imperialism have any bearing on whether we support that now? Nobody is even saying Russia is part of the Axis of Resistance, prominent figures like Nasrallah even explicitly say it isn't. Russia is trying to broker a deal with the Americans and communists oppose that and are fiercely critical of it. Of course we are for Russia's intervention against imperialism in Syria. But apparently that's just too complicated for you.

Russia exploits labor of the caucasian periphery, builds military bases in central asia, props up and arms regimes that are friendly to russian oligarchs, enslaves other post-soviet countries through debt, even carves out pieces of other countries, it does literally all the same fucking things America does except on a smaller scale, it is imperialist unless imperialism just means when America does things and the more things it does the more imperialister it is

It's economically backwater and militarily a mouse imitating a lion. All countries able engage in imperialist activities among neighbors so the next part of the statement is irrelevant. There are checks to Russian power, even if the media (either RT or what's spewed on here) tells you there aren't. And not all of them equal to America.

It’s literally the only European country which is still a colonial empire.

No, it's not imperialist unless it is actually engaging in parasitism, you have to prove it.

Holy fuck you are ignorant.

It’s not an intervention against imperialism, it is imperialism. Are you honestly suggesting that Russian billionaire capitalist oligarchs that control the government are spending large amounts of blood and treasure for some idealistic anti imperialist crusade? They are doing it because it suits their interests, because Syria is strategically important, because there are plans to build a pipeline there, and because Syria is a prime customer of Russian arms.

Because supporting a bourgeois “anti imperialist” state is an exercise in futility. It may destroy one empire but it will inevitably give rise to another, leaving you at square one. The only anti imperialist movements worth supporting are those that are genuinely socialist, like Cuba and Vietnam back in the 60s, because only socialist movements can be anti imperialist in principle and in the long term. All other movements are simply a power grab by local elites, for the proles it is simply exchanging one master for another.

Economically and militarily it is one of the largest players, and it shows in its activities.

First of all, that isn’t true. Second of all, any country that engages in imperialist activity of any kind is imperialist. You can’t just say that it’s not because it’s being done on a smaller scale. If fucking Kenya meddles in the politics of Uganda and Ethiopia so that Kenyan corporations can exploit the resources and population, then Kenya is an imperialist country, regardless of the size (or lack thereof) of its activities.

The Russian government and corporations meddle in the affairs of other countries, and Russian corporations exploit the labour and resources of other countries. Therefore Russia is imperialist.

What would you take as proof that Russia engages in parasitism?

Prove that Russia is engaging in a net economic extraction from some other country. Not, "Russia has troops in Syria!!!" not "they do business with other countries," prove that they are in fact parasitic, it's not an insane criteria.

shut up brainlet.

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Hi Akhination II

Modern Russia is capitalist btw

South Vietnam was a “sovereign state” fighting a defensive war initiated by North Vietnam. I guess that you don’t consider the Vietnam war to be an imperialist war either then? What about South Korea? They were a sovereign state attacked by the North in 1950, does that mean that the Korean War wasn’t an imperialist war? A local bourgeois puppet government inviting their imperial benefactor into their country does not make the intervention not imperialist.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Exactly. The Assad government is the local bourgeois puppet government while Russia is it’s imperial benefactor.

Russia and China are infinitely more imperialistic than the US or any other Western country, which is why NATO is unironically the greatest force against imperialism at the moment. Ideally, Russia and China must be balkanized and our nuclear weapons should be handed over to more civilized countries, like those in Northwestern Europe.

this has to be ironic shitposting

No, I’m a Marxist liberal interventionist in the vein of Norman Geras. Of course, the US has commited a lot of violations of international law, but the fact that American hegemony is preferable to Russian or Chinese hegemony should be obvious to all socialists as well as everyone else who values liberty and equality.

Pretty much nowhere else are the rights of workers as secured as in NATO and EU member states. Unfortunately, NATO is the closest thing to an internationalist alliance of countries commited to proletarian cause we currently have, and I wish more of my fellow Marxists would recognize this reality.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

wew

the absolute state

Thank you mods.

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Wouldn’t it just be easier for the oil companies to convince the Americans to drop the sanctions on the Russians so that the oil companies can do business there? Starting a war seems like overkill. It’s not like Putin shyes from foreign investment like 90s Saddam.

this actually cannot be real

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Not an argument

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America forces its will on the whole EU and Middle East (and many more). America is at war with over 9 countrys. Russia and China are peaceful compared to the USA. You must have a low lQ if you need this explained to you. Only an American nationalist would be so blind to these facts.

So Ireland is imperialist? What about Hong Kong?

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I would have to look into Ireland’s situation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Irish companies engaged in imperialistic activities. I know that other seemingly innocent countries do, for example Canadian mining interests are involved in all kinds of shady shit across Africa and South America.

Ireland is just a big American tax haven. It benefits from the spoils of the American Empire but is not a direct participant in imperialism imo. For instance, in 2012 there were just two Irish companies on the Fortune 500–its not a global powerhouse by any means, it doesn't even "punch above its weight" as the British are fond of saying about Bongland.

That's not to say it couldn't become a proper imperialist itself but for now its content on American spoils and leasing out Shannon to the US military.

Was Weimar Germany imperialist under Versailles before Hitler came to power? If anything, they were victims of imperialism.

I never said capitalist countries can’t be victims of imperialism. I said that capitalist countries inevitably develop imperialist tendencies, sometimes while being victims of imperialism themselves. In the case of Weimar Germany this exact thing happened when Hitler came to power.

what if i told you
but you gotta keep that between us, it's gonna blow minds otherwise…

that you can be both?
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Shameful self-bump…

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You know this is clearly satire but it’s unironically what twitter ☭TANKIE☭s sound like to sane people when they go on Phil Greaves tier rants about how Putin is the saviour of the working class.

That was a funny thread

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I was not sarcastic. The rights of workers and human rights in general are obviously more respected in NATO member states than in Russia and China, which is why NATO imperialism is preferable to Russian or Chinese imperialism. Yes, all forms of imperialism are bad, but some of them can be better than others.

There are no lesser evils when it comes to imperialism. I’ll concede that liberal democracy is probably better than Russia’s right wing populism or China’s authoritarian capitalism, but I will not make excuses for NATO or any other imperialism.

So can we all agree that life in any NATO country is better than in Russia or China, but NATO was wrong with bombings of Libya or arming terrorists in Syria?

I notice firefox's reccomended blogs very much would like me to be afraid of china and russia.

Holy shit

Why are NATO apologists even allowed to post here.

MSM decides to make Nazi propaganda now.

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How is that Nazi propaganda? Wasn't that literally based off an actual ML poster?

Do you not see with what features Putin and Corbyn are presented?

It's mocking them and the left.

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I do like devil eyes Marx just staring into the soul of the viewer. It's as if to say "release me from this eternal abyss", which to be fair is what I think when ever I read the Telegraph.

I will admit that this war propaganda is having an effect on me, but probably not the effect, the Western media wants.

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This seems relevant…

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why does the Corbyn caricature remind me of a spitting image puppet

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Because that style of political caricature is a stable in British media, has been ever since Punch.

Anti Russia as in the coverage of a possible conspiracy between the oligarchs Trump and Putin
Ya they don't do anything to raise suspicions
I've not seen pro nuclear war, but I can see that developing if:
1.) The proles get suicidal self destructive after dealing with Trump
2.) Honest lines of communication don't open up
3.) Peace activists don't step up

The destruction of the American empire is far more important than your petty personal concerns about the behaviour of the russian government.

but Corbyn is a voice of reason I agree. America did kind of deserve some chaos.

Because NATO is a counterbalance to a greater evil

which is?

Chinese and Russian imperialism

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KYS, imperialist

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The abolition of NATO will not result in the abolition of imperialism, it will only result in the empowerment of countries which respect human rights even less than the US and which pursue their geostrategic interests in an even more brutal fashion.

Also, don’t forget that NATO stopped Serbian imperialism in the 90s and currently prevents the realization of Russian imperial ambitions in the Baltics.

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In the 20th century, Soviet Union has killed more civilians than the US, Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan.

Nice try, Applebaum.

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My macabre new hobby is playing a game where I open any New Yorker/New York Times/Atlantic article and search for "Russia" before reading. I win every time.

Do you unironically think that “human rights” is just a bourgeois propaganda or something?