Lal salam comreds!

The naxalites are clearly failing to appeal to the populace. Military counter insurgency tactics won’t do jack shit in the long run, but actually dealing with the problems that are drawing the peasants to the Naxalites in the first place will. The fastest way to kill a revolution is with health clinics and roads.

Source?

t. Pol Pot

The fact that they are failing.

What did he mean by this?

Did you not see the map of their substantially decreased activity?

Your original claim was that "the naxalites are clearly failing to appeal to the populace", not that their geographical range of activity decreased.

Their "substantially decreased activity" is due to the Indian government fucking terrorizing and massacring tribals. See:

Being targeted with high-tec US helicopters, Israeli drones, and British night-vision equipment is not correlated with a decrease in popular support.

kek

"Ma'am, the X-ray shows that your kid's arm is broken."
"But how did it happen, doctor?"
"Simple, the Russians broke his arm."
"The Russians? How do you know this?"
"I know because the X-ray shows his arm is broken."

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Right because we all know that the way to beat insurgencies is with increased brute force, this worked so well in Vietnam, and Afghanistan. No insurgency ever has been deafeated this way, not even the Nazis could stop the Soviet or Yugoslavian partisans by razing entire villages, depopulating whole regions and rampaging across the countryside. Typically such activity only stiffens the resolve of the geurillas and causes the population to support them as a means of fighting back against the government. Read Mao’s military theory, as long as there is a sympathetic populace, geurillas are unbeatable, which means that if the influence and activities of the Naxalites are decreasing then that means their support base is decreasing.

t. brainlet

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Jesus Christ, that is some ignorant shit fam.

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Which is precisely why the Indian government has launched massive ethnic cleansing campaign against the notoriously pro-Naxal adivasis, depopulating entire forests in order to deprive the Naxals of their support base.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salwa_Judum

Most of those adivasis have been herded into de facto concentration camps. There is more info about this in the "Red Tide" OP documentary.

If Chiang Kai Shek just outright burned to the ground every village in China he suspected of having Communist sympathies, it would have been a lot harder for Mao to win the Civil War.

You raise a sensible point. Consider, however, that with the specially trained anti-naxal commandos the US introduced radically new tactics, weaponry onto the protracted battlefield to which the Naxals had to adapt. Before that they were fighting and raiding only local police for weaponry, money, area-control, hardly a formidable enemy.

A parallel would be: a Bronx gang having to fight only street cops for years, then suddenly, after they become a considerable nuisance to the powers that be, a new SWAT team is funded by the local gov just to focus on the
I'm not going to play denial: there are almost always heartless casualties on the side of guerrillas as well hurting the civilians. A typical scene would bem. I find it hard to believe that this isn't the main reason behind their failure.

Ah fair enough, I wasn’t aware of the scale of their scorched earth operations, and reading about it reminds me of the Boer War, probably the only case where brute force defeated and insurgency. It goes without saying that physical removal of the entire population will destroy the insurgency. To use Mao’s terminology, if the people are the sea and the geurillas the fish, then the government must drain the sea.

I think>>2435919 has a lot more to do with it than that. Defeating an insurgency by conventional military means is basically impossible, since when confronted by superior forces the guerillas can simply disperse or blend in with the locals, then re-establish control when that force moves on. This is exactly what Mao and Ho Chi Minh did.

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You're fucking retard. Russia was Feudalist during the time of the revolution you mutt.

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What would happen if I, a white American, were to go to Dantewada and try to meet some Maoists? What's the chance I won't make it back home in one piece?

Umm…

“Here across a 1,000 sq.km area bordering Orissa in West Medinipur district, the Maoists over the last 8 months have quietly unleashed new weapons in their battle against the Indian state: drinking water, irrigation, roads and health centres…carefully shielded from the public eye, the Hindustan Times found India’s second ‘liberated zone’, a Maoist-run state where development for more than 2 lakh people is unfolding at a pace not seen in 30 years of ‘left front’ rule. Apart from taking over the organs of the state and most notably the executive and the judiciary, the Maoists here have built at least 50 km of gravel paths, dug tube-wells and tanks, rebuilt irrigation canals and are running health centres, with the help of local villagers” (HT, 10 June 2009).

revolutionaryfrontlines.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/amit-bhattacharyya-war-on-the-people-and-the-historic-lalgarh-movement/

God damn we got so close in India.

The banksters were thinking about the future.

By investing in Hitler?
realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/hitlers-finances-and-the-myth-of-nazi-anti-usury-activism/

Why past tense? Look up "Naxalite" in Google News and you will realize they are as active as ever.

theprint.in/talk-point/talkpoint-why-does-crpf-continue-suffering-heavy-losses-in-naxal-attacks-in-chattisgarh/41693/

Just 2 days ago, they blew up 9 police in revenge for this attack on March 1:

swarajyamag.com/insta/ten-naxalites-including-six-women-gunned-down-by-telangana-greyhounds-along-chhattisgarh-border

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USSR was much stronger than capitalist Russia could ever be, brainlet.

Anti-communist economist Robert C. Allen argues that without Stalin's collectivization and industrialization, Russia would look a lot like India today in terms of living standards, literacy, etc.

press.princeton.edu/titles/7611.html

While blowing up cops is all well and good, do you reckon this could be enough to rally people to the cause?

The cops are infamous for raping and terrorizing adivasi civilians. They are pretty much universally hated in adivasi communities.

The cops are not from the local communities anyway, they are intentionally brought in from other regions of India so they feel no loyalty or solidarity with the local population.

aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2014/10/pictures-india-maoist-heartlan-2014105104030403635.html

Quote from above article:

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I mean when the government does it. If the state provides a population with infrastructure and increased standards of living then the desire for revolutionary change will wane. It’s exactly what happened to the Huks in the Phillipines.

Why do people keep saying this? It was poor as shit but serfdom was abolished in 1861 and by 1914 there was already a clear bourgeoise class, a growing industrial sector and a bourgeoisie parliament. Landowning nobility was still big, but by that metric modern UK is also feudal and not capitalist. Lenin recognized Russia as capitalist and imperialist despite pointing out certain feudal holdovers. At worst 1905 was the point of bourgeois revolution in Russia.

Sage for off-topic.

openthemagazine.com/article/india/we-shall-certainly-defeat-the-government

“We Shall Certainly Defeat the Government”

Interview with the chairman of the CPI (Maoist)

Hey guys, redpill me on Kerala

gotta love how they present it like it's a disease

CPI and CPI-M do not like Maoists and Maoists do not like them, Kerela is a different story than West Bengal.

Hmm?

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How come you yuppies arent in the field picking up a weapon and dying for communism?

Or do you fancy yourselves the kings and quuens of the chess board telling the pawns to go first?

I would join the Naxals if I was ethnic Indian and spoke the language.

Given my life circumstances, it seems that I'm rather in the position to propagate the ideals of socialism more so than hazarding my life for, albeit a good and noble cause, one which is risky and potentially short-lived for myself, whereas as it is currently I am almost guaranteed a much longer period of operation. However, I would not be unwilling at all to have to make those potential sacrifices if it comes down to that.

Keralite here. AMA.

If you go by that metric large parts of the Were capitalist during the Middle Ages. Serfdom was only a brutal but highly developed part of feudalism but still inherent to it. Between 80-90% of the Russian population lived on the land and worked in agriculture. As Lenin pointed out those places with the most modern relations of agricultural production existed where either settler-colonies like Siberia or underdeveloped places where feudalism never had a strong foothold. Peasants migrated to these regions from the highly populated feudal regions but I’d say even still probably 60-70% of the population still lived in medieval conditions if not higher.

The Russian bourgeoisie was very weak, this was underscored by Lenin many times. They didn’t even have the power to put a constitutional monarchy in place.Russia only seemed to be an industrial Goliath because it had such a massive population base but really these were enclaves of modernity and many of these factories were either state-owned entities centered around weapons production or worked with backwards means of production.

I mean what Russian form could you think of that was really pushing limits prior to 1917? Maybe BranNobel and the Nobel brothers aka “the Russian Rockefellers” but who else? Not to mention that it was highly indebted to foreign capital.

Your province is among the biggest exporters of "human capital", the socialist welfare state essentially expert at training and raising future white collar employees for porkies at a fraction of the cost of other countries.
Do you consider this model a victory or a failure?

Why do you think your region is more attracted to leftism than other regions of India?

Your desperation is palpable.

Fighting a losing fight in the backdrop of a coming red wave has always been a commie thing Zig Forumsyp.

Easily best thread rn.
Link to a good song:
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Will the Keralite ever go Kerahardcore?

Are you in a union or party? Have you read Paul Cockshott?

I some family members in the CPI (M). I myself largely support CPI. No, I have not read him. Should I?

We're certainly hardcore at communism, fish-eating and drinking.

Alright, so this is a little complex. Prior to independence, Kerala (barring the northern areas in the Madras Presidency - where I'm from) was under Princely state control, and was easily one of the places least touched by Muslims and Westerners. While this is almost entirely a great thing (we're retained our culture and identity), it was basically feudalism until independence in many places, and upon independence many intellectuals from all castes condemned this and promoted far-left politics. The results were good.

So you have an area which is not westernized, very agricultural, intellectually-inclined, communal in culture to begin with. It's not a surprise. Also, our traditional culture does have some peculiarities. While I wouldn't say we're "matriarchal", the warrior caste (who are the traditional aristocracy) is matrilineal/matrilocal and women have historically held a lot of power in the non-Brahmin castes. There's also definitely a culture of "high thinking simple living", but I can't say if this is a modern thing or an old one completely - but our old poets do talk about it. So these cultural differences from the rest of India might have been factors as well.

Kerala communism really isn't quite the same as the rest of India though. My family who are almost all communists, still donate to temples, promote traditional culture, etc. Generally, communism is more seen as simply the Kerala way of doing things, so atheists, Hindus, etc. both support it.

It's largely temporary workers in the gulf. I'd say the fact that majority of them send their wealth back to India and migrate back eventually, instead of running to the west, is a success compared to much of the rest of the country.

You got any insight on how the Hindu nationalists are gaining traction and the left's response?

How do normies in Kerala feel about more militant communists in the Northeast? What about leftist politicians & activists in Kerala?

How do you think a socialist movement in the west should approach India in terms of transnational organisation?
Also i hear trade unionism is major, any major groups that we should know about?

If the Naxals actually defeat the Indian government, it would be the greatest calamity of all time, greater than both the Russian and Chinese revolutions. The entire global economic system would be shaken to its very foundations. It would be a true death blow to imperialism on a world-wide scale.

-Charu Mazumdar, founder of the Naxalite movement

George Fernandes, Indian ministry of Defense from 2001-2004

-Arindam Chaudhari, author of The Great Indian Dream

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Can they pull it off?

Everything is possible

Naxal killed in encounter in Chhattisgarh, 2 held

in the area," said Superintendent of Police Abhishek Meena.

uniindia.com/naxal-killed-in-encounter-in-chhattisgarh-2-held/states/news/1182556.html

RIP Hero

Are the Naxals popular in Kerala?

godspeed to the comraden in india.

may they pull a ussr 2.0 someday, when the material conditions are right.

the forefront of communism should be indian. they have nothing to lose but their chains

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