President Xi Jinping reasserted the Communist Party's supremacy over his country Tuesday, telling the nation's parliament that "only socialism can save China" as it pursues development.
"History has already proven and will continue to prove that only socialism can save China," Xi said, adding later that the "Communist Party is the supreme political leadership of the country and the fundamental guarantee to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation."
Xi also warned against any efforts to split China, days after the United States approved rules that would allow top-level officials to travel to Taiwan.
"All acts and tricks to separate the country are doomed to fail and will be condemned by the people and punished by history," Xi said at the end of the country's annual parliamentary session. He also sought to address concerns about Chinese development projects abroad, saying they "will not pose a threat to any country."
I wish he would just fucking explain what he means by socialism so we can fucking stop these autistic debates. Does he mean actual socialism or just "everything the Chinese government does"?
Adam Turner
chinese characteristics bro
Liam Baker
of course “everything PRC government have done/doing/going to do”. He recently revised the constitution,it is very likely that he do another term:(
Jonathan Kelly
Cool
Nathaniel Rogers
State capitalism… When the party becomes the new ruling class and your whole country is treated like a single company in a capitalist world… And the citizens are merely employees. No strikes allowed though. But if you paint it all red it sure is socialism! An AnCap told me so!
It won’t be socialism until he starts confiscating the property of Chinese porkies and re-implementing a planned economy. Until that starts happening he is a class enemy.
Carter Ward
XI WILL MAKE MAO LOOK LIKE A FUCKING DENGIST NEW ERA GANG
Cameron Cook
He's bullshitting. Just weeks ago his government claimed China was a market [capitalist] economy within US trade related negotiations to avert tariffs which are now being imposed. China is not the savior of socialism, it is no longer socialist. Xi is part of that.
Austin Lewis
He's technically already done that, because China's "porkies" never owned much to begin with as everything in China was always tied into state-owned banks and state-owned conglomerates. As of late he's been purging bankers by using broad definitions of anti-corruption laws. But while that sounds great, one has to remember that he's more or less the CEO of China right now as he operates most of the financial system and has no term limits. Even if he does decide go to full Stalinist ☭TANKIE☭, it's going to be full Stalinist ☭TANKIE☭ with Chinese characteristics, which is to say he's going to be a capitalist ☭TANKIE☭. Or as most people call it, a fascist.
This post is so low on MZT I don't know what to tell you. Even Deng Xiaoping could do better.
This thread is nothing but a big fat mess. Xi is going to make china socialist again!
Blake Walker
He can start by explicitly stating he doesn't want China to be America's dumpster anymore and wall off their economy. He won't though because it'd cause major problems for capitalists within the government.
Landon Bennett
state capitalism was a mistake. you give porky an inch he takes a mile.
Nolan Evans
Definitely ture bro. He is trying so hard to bring back the reactionary “great Chinese tradition”.Pupils even wear ancient times clothing to school and read Confucius “classics”.What’s next? foot binding for full oppression of women? His government even ban Maoist talking points on social media these days. The worst part is people cannot take the first step-speak out against the neo-liberal bullshit they are suffering:( Zizek is right about China. It is becoming a neo-imperialist “with Chinese characteristics” country:(
Jackson Cruz
Sorry I am new but what's so bad about reading Confucius? Wasn't he just some Chinese philosopher people like to quote?
Josiah Allen
Worker movements have been booming in China lately, strikes are frequent and bear results. How the fuck do you think real wages were rising so steadily?
Samuel Campbell
China rn is basically what would have happened in Russia if Stalin didn't stop the kulaks at time; porkies get too powerful and it's almost impossible to stop them
You mean if the kulaks became the communist party and asserted the unity of their class interest with """communism"""
Jason Richardson
I hope Xi kills every faggot like Mao killed every sparrow.
Nathan Wright
Samo socijalizam srbina* spasava *-kineskog porijekla u ovom slucaju
Grayson Lee
So if every uni student has to study Marxism why does the Chinese left appear so weak? I mean assuming they aren’t studying some revised, abridged, butchered version of it, shouldn’t they see all the massive porkyism of the CPC for what it is?
John Wood
the CCP is better at being the Kuomintang than the actual Kuomintang. Sun Yat Sen is the happiest man dead right now.
David Walker
Students good in marxism are co-opted in the government
Easton Nguyen
imo Chinese porkies study Marx in the same way that the Western establishment studies Keynes. They are less interested in his theories from the perspective of the laborer then they are in analyzing it from the perspective of capital.
It's interesting to read radical Keynesians, they always claim that governments and capitalists fail to understand the true meaning of Keynes work. These petit-bourgeois idealists see things from the perspective of the alleged benefits that Keynes theories have to offer the worker and "society" rather then its actual function as a mode of capitalist governance/regulation. In this way, I'm not claiming that Keynesianism is a proletarian ideology, it never was and was never intended to be but laying down an explanation for why there seems to be "two Keynesianisms" if you will.
Before there was Keynesianism there was revisionist Marxism which claimed that to have found a peaceful way to socialism or a utopian capitalism. It turns out that China has shown that revisionist Marxists is much better at managing capitalism then Keynesians–the irony of that being that Keynesianism was created exactly for such a purpose.
This is actually quite true. In some respects, Mao always remained a KMT left-winger imo even if he was forced to change parties.
?Mao always remained a KMT left-winger imo even if he was forced to change parties. This makes the Shanghai Commune a much more depressing tragedy.
Parker Bailey
So, does anybody have any actual insight as Chinese students and CPC members actually study Marx or is this just speculation? I've only talked to one Chinese exchange student and he told me he was required to read the Communist Manifesto and Value, Price and Profit.
Until we have some first-hand information about how they read Marx we can speculate all we want. I feel there is a lot of ignorance about modern Chinese theory.
Dylan Moore
Nah, State capitalism was when the State heavily regulates the capitalist process to protect the people from capitalism. China is a straight plutocracy, and is doing the opposite. A dab of nationalism and militarism, and imperial ambitions on the whole thing, and they are pretty much fascists wearing red. Red fashists, if you will. Dengists are the real red fashists is what I am saying.
Henry Martinez
It'll be fun to see what alternative they provide in place of America in the future
I'm personally curious if they will hit the communism button decades from now, when their productive forces are the best and most diverse in the world, will they do it?
While america has some pretty shitty institutions they are by no means the worst. Distrust is exacerbated by a longstanding culture of wariness of government that is still going strong from colonial times.
Adrian Harris
I think it's reaching game ending levels of distrust imho, the days of compromise and talk may be coming to an end, what with groups like atomwaffen slowly forming
Additionally further distrust international with america will only exacerbate the fruition of the petrodollar yuan.
Jack Cooper
This is the single dumbest I've read today, not only is it economically illiterate, it's blatantly dishonest about the state of workers' rights in China.
Jason Cook
It's abit ironic, people can't decide if China puts down strikes or let's them happen
Petrol-anything a shit, especially in regards to China. Saudi Arabia is only doing some petrol-yuan exchanges precisely because China's state oil company recently went bankrupt, it's bankruptcy was the largest in world history in terms of the volume of cash involved.
Saudi Arabia's oil companies themselves have the upper hand in regards to China, a situation they are only even considering because their attempt to destroy America's domestic oil market failed and has caused America's oil barons to turn against them. Hence why Trump isn't commenting on the increased amount of ethanol blended into gasoline and why Trump isn't reversing the fuel efficiency laws passed under Bush.
The oil industry has everyone backstabbing each other as protectionism grows, and this leaves both Saudi Arabia and China in odd positions. Not necessarily a powerful position, but one where Saudi Arabia's plan B is to milk China who proved unable to fend off their underhanded market manipualtion.
John Reed
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William Morales
I'm more worried if they can implement their petrol yuan plan without going into war with the US
No one here denies mao's achievements, but until Deng and post Deng China did not have the world changing power, or rather, could not regain this power without developing themselves with the help of foreign technology
What, you think all those stolen iphones or F-35 blueprints went to waste?
It really isn't, with America's THAAD for example that can be negated somewhat.
Without economic power China would continue to be beholden to the USA. Not all simple products are equal, for example having the production to create a Tank is very vague when this could mean a very primitive T-55 or a modern Type 99 main battle tank.
Kevin Jackson
But the issue now is that they are beholden to international capital which is also just kind of shit.
Brandon Hall
There have to be mechanisms in place to allow the CPC to activate full communism (with chinese characteristics) in a way that isn't easily dismantled by the bourgeoisie, both domestic and global.
It can't happen by the simple whims of our dear comrade Xi (pbuh)
Ehh, their goal is (well, at least on paper) to ensure a strong hold on global capital, and when they are the primary decider of it use it to spread socialism
"Globalization, as with the market economy, therefore does not have one specific class character (either socialist or capitalist) according to the party.[58] The instance that globalization is not fixed in nature, comes from Deng's insistence that China can pursue socialist modernization by incorporating elements of capitalism.[58] Because of this there is considerable optimism within the CPC that despite the current capitalist dominance of globalization, globalization can be turned into a vehicle supporting socialism."
Josiah Sanders
The thing is america still as of now leads the world in capitalism, when China replaces it, the decision will fall on them to implement globalisation globally
Levi Barnes
So basically, they want to crash capitalism with no survivors?
I wouldn't be surprised if they're secretly plotting some illuminati tier shit right under our noses, it's happened before.
Brody Butler
The CPC is literally pretending to be building an hyper-capitalist hellscape only so they can suddenly grab the world by the balls and install chinese communism globally.
I mean, the ccp doesn't have much of a choice, it knows there will be an inevitable shitstorm if it can't deliver on its promise to improve the lives of its citizens, this includes everyone down to the most insignificant worker
Cameron Campbell
Are we talking communism or "communism".
So it's a holding pattern to help set things up, and when the time is right, pull the rug out from under us.
Juan Martin
Tbqh probably "communism", even if China were to be top dog it would be a slow and glacial process of fixing the world.
It ought to be a pull out under the rug scenario, at least according to official status, and since I'm an optimist, I'd rather hope they follow through
Kevin Carter
The way I see it, if they go for a "pull the rug" scenario and gain hegemony via economic means it will be a process of fixing the many ills of the world before liquidation of government happens.
But I want to believe they'll follow through on it. The capitalism they show now is just a stage of a greater plan.
Dylan Jones
Same tbqh
Evan Flores
Sun Tzu was the true father of socialism.
Levi Sanders
all this Xi talk is really spooky. let me make it clear for you. HE WONT MAKE CHINA SOCIALIST.
Everyone in China wants to believe it.But with that level of corruption and neoliberalism,smh:(
Elijah Ramirez
Isn't the point of a doomsday weapon that people know about it? If you don't tell anyone about your secret plan eventually people are going to forget about it.
Connor Anderson
I think you've seen too many Saturday morning cartoons. The doomsday weapon is still under construction, no point in advertising its existence when it isn't ready yet.
Parker Gonzalez
yeah i'm going to take xi's actual word for it, not the word of some other guy who happens to be living in china
Jace Collins
Current day China is so awful that even hardline Maoism seems a good thing in comparison.
Leo Phillips
protip that "greater plan" has a 99% chance of being a godawful fascist state and not communism, otherwise there'd be no need for the 'net censorship China is famous for (and a thing American porkies are incredibly asshurt about, since they have always wanted that shit here)
Asher Parker
Not "some dude", China's official representatives to the US government:
China's government has literally admitted to "improving the socialist market economy" by "building a market economy". Or in other words, building capitalism not socialism.
Landon Wilson
One can't "subvert" capitalism without being a capitalist. The process itself is still largely inadvertent, capitalists create new technologies that render their enterprises irrelevant and in the process destroy their ability to own capital, causing it to naturally become owned by workers or regional authorities in one way or another.
In China's case, this is an extreme problem because everything is centralized into Beijing. Decisions go one way: down from the central government. And such is why they will never be a communist state until they engage in some sort of bureaucratic liberalization or reform, because workers have no ability to own the means of their production if they are all taking marching orders from a central authority.
The criticisms western liberals have of China (the few remaining who do criticize it, these days they worship China like Zig Forums worships Russia) are fully salient here, in that China's regime is too dependent upon a central CPC bureau to function. This dependency also precludes socialism, because it's the central bureau who owns everything, not the workers. It's why China has to spend so much money on a domestically-focused Army (see Tibet), whereas Americans dump that cost off onto individual cities and counties (whom are subject to local control through elected Sheriffs). On the topic of Tibet, that conflict alone is proof that China is neither communist nor interested in being communist since they stole the means of production from Tibetans for their own purposes. A classic imperialist move.
Why would the literal porkies in the CCP implement socialism once they've succeeded in becoming the richest, most powerful porkies on the planet? They will never do such a thing because it would be diametrically opposed to their material (class) interests. The CCP won't implement socialism for the exact same reason the Koch family won't implement socialism. This is not rocket science. Don't be so fucking naive.
Nathan Foster
Are you saying the USSR also was headed to facism because of their censorship?
The Chinese had a defensive isolationist strategy nearing the end of the Qing empire, and that essentially caused the hundred years of humiliation, additionally the isolation cause by the cultural revolution along with the intellectual disruption resulted in a great gap in China's productive forces and the world.
It cannot be any clearer to China that a defensive strategy in the modern era would totally fail them. Simply leaving the Tibetian region autonomous for example would result in either a failed state or India taking it over，resulting in the concession of Asia's primary water source for some moral goody points.
China has learnt through blood and war you can't just shut the world out and hope for development outside of the basics mao set up, thus a market-socialist economy is a necessary while China continues to play catch up.
Perhaps not some ideologically pure form of socialism, but the country has a mutual interest in ensure nations it works and trades with remain healthy and stable.
Justin Cook
Or China could have built desalination plants on the coast, which they absolutely have the ability to do through their domestic nuclear program and is demonstrated by their coastal island construction. But this idea doesn't work because their coastal waters are extremely polluted, because China's government didn't care that they were poisoning their own resources as with any other capitalist. As you said here was never any reason to annex Tibet other than to deny it to other countries, because it'd be such a waste of resources. Exactly the capitalist mindset.
China tested their first nuclear weapon in 1964. That's all which is needed to prevent imperialism, China itself exists as it does because in 1953 American President Truman was afraid of instigating a nuclear war with the USSR if he attempted to retake China and North Korea. It is why North Korea, one of the poorest countries on the planet and the least capable of fending off an American attack, is able to get America's undivided attention and force America to be extremely cautious.
Xavier Carter
Nanjie is doing fine though
Nathan Phillips
As a Chinese myself,I'm so freaked out to be on/leftypol/ now. Jesus how do you guys get all these information about China despite the “wall”?! I’m so glad that some of you guys understand that fascism is a global thing and China is no exception. This gave me hope:)
Adrian Hernandez
Someone hasn't read up on Wang Jinwei
Carter Johnson
Most non-cosmopolitans can see China for what they are, and even then large American businesses have been asshurt over Chinese businesses/capitalists outcompeting them (on price) for some time now. The only people left defending China are American retailers whose profits are threatened by Trump cutting China out of North America. On the right Zig Forums does the same with Russia.
Asher Evans
What kind of socialism then? A kind of socialism with billionaires? A kind of socialism with a bourgeois class and a proletariat?
Ethan Parker
Nukes are not really enough, North Korea has nukes and they are still bullied around by the USA through sanctions. The ussr had nukes and they went the way of history.
Additionally China's coastal area is heavily populated, desalination plants would take years to build and China when it took Tibet was far too poor and preoccupied to take that route, however there are ongoing efforts
These things will not disappear overnight unless some form of a brutal executive force were formed to carry it out, but I am sure they do not wish to continue the same system of keeping other developing nations in poverty for mere resource extraction
