Daily News Thread 3/23

Problem 1.

He didn't think the Bush Administration went hard enough on the Iraq/Afghanistan War, he has not changed this attitude

Problem 2

Every year he literally says "Start a war" to solve a problem. It doesn't matter the diplomatic conditions, or in the case of Nuclear Weapons, his literally only solution to any given problem at any given time is always, and has always been "Fuck it, drop the bombs".

After the Bush Administration, thankfully he lost pretty much all of his power and nobody thought they would ever hear of "Bolton" and "White House access" ever again. It was a dream, a nightmare, something that could never happen again. The world is safer now that John Bolton is relegated to life without having direct access to a naive president every day.

Except that dream is over now, and the nightmare is awake

John Bolton says

John Bolton says

John Bolton says:
On bombing Iran

John Bolton fucking says
“Pre-emption opponents argue that action is not justified because Pyongyang does not constitute an ‘imminent threat.’ They are wrong. The threat is imminent, and the case against pre-emption rests on the misinterpretation of a standard that derives from prenuclear, pre-ballistic-missile times,” Bolton wrote last month in a Wall Street Journal column headlined, “The Legal Case for Striking North Korea First.”

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and regime change in Libya. Is there anywhere he doesn't want to topple?

If it isn't populated by Canada or Europe or Mexico you best believe that John Bolton will want to fucking massacre you to kingdom come.

You know how Americans politicians reasoning is depicted in Propaganda?

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Ew

I want to skin him alive

I want to skin him alive

John Bolton is everything you ever dreamed of happening in a nightmare situation that you brush off as, "It only happens in the movies" or, "people will be too reasonable for that right?" That's John Bolton.

He was a nightmare during Bush, and he has been reincarnated as Death Incarnate once again in Trump.

This is fucking bad. Like, real fucking bad.

This is like if Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld got White House access again.

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Look at all the bans in the polyp thread about bolton
My sides are in orbit

I hate France because they liberated gringos. Now I hate France even more because they liberated gringos. England should have doubled down

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Literally going full circle now from mocking the Bush Administration as Jewish controlled war mongering puppets into sucking the dick of the same very people they were mocking.

It's like watching teenagers turn into fucking boomers

Surely this will be positive for negotiations

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Theyre sticking it to the "leftards", if they become just boomers out of it they dont care

I really want a time machine to show Moot what Zig Forums became when he first started 4chan so he could never fucking allow such a board to ever exist and cause as much damage as it has done. Worse than chanology ever was. But of course, that's a fantasy.

John Bolton would love it if the only nations that existed were Canada, anything in the EU, Britain, and Israel. Everything and anyone else is expendable and a target lol

That was him during the Bush Administration.

Now imagine him during the Trump Administration. This really is a fucking nightmare lol.

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Trump can't afford to just check out and let his cabinet run things like Bush did, he has too much of an ego to just be a figurehead, hence all the firings. Things are bad yes, but not as bad as they could be.

He got rid of the other guy because "He wasn't being tough enough", you're going to have to rethink your optimism there bud.

Even at his bare minimum, this is a truly fucking smelly idea though. Bolton at minimum is still Bolton.

Got rid of McMaster because he was a dissident. Bolton will prove to be even more of a pain in Trump's neck. I expect him to be out by the end of the year, assuming we don't all die before then

I hope you're right, but my gut is telling me Trump just wants a war with Iran, or at least making Syria FUBAR

Who fucking knows at this point. I'm far more concerned about China and Iran than Syria and NK. He's too buddy-buddy with Russia, and is probably starting to realize he could get a Nobel if NK goes well.

Let's elect Trump and scream at anyone who says otherwise what's the worst that could happen?: The Great pre-20's Grift of American White Nationalism

is probably a book I'm going to write before I die.

WEW, Trump's calling for removing filibuster rules and changing Senate voting rules to simple majority instead of 2/3rds. This is what happens right before the ruling class shove through a bunch of shit nobody wants. They're seizing the moment, my dudes.

This post made laugh for some reason

Zig Forums is canvassing trying to sell the Bolton pick as a good idea (of course).

1st day in:
John Bolton, a man who thinks we need to strike North Korea and Iran first and a firm believer in preemptively striking first without warning (just like Trump), starts military exercises in China's soveriegn waters in early morning.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:
Are you ready to get drafted, and shipped to the jungle American 18-45 yr old fuckos?

Everyone above 18-45 is provisionally eligible for draft, and seeming as China, North Korea and Iran are all prepared for crazy high mass casualties we'll need as many boots on the ground as possible.

I sure hope so.

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who else defecting to China to avoid the draft?

But wouldn't Chinese send you either on the battlefield or in camps if they doubt your loyalty?

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My dude I'm headed straight for that one Maoist village in central China to work on farms and read theory

Surely not until after the fallout clears?

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It's because we're living out the nightmare sequence in Dead Zone.

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'Unhappy' Trump Grudgingly Signs Omnibus Budget Bill

bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2018-03-23/trump-news-conference-at-white-house-on-omnibus

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I misread "Omnibus" as "Ominous"

It def is

I read it as ominous first because I read the whole thing, it took me a second to realize it didn't.

Couldn't the US nuke the capitals of every country in the world ten times over and still have a few hundred nukes left? Last time I checked they had thousands. I doubt we need more

This and Bolton, feels like the end of the god damn world

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The problem isn't quantity, it's quality, our nukes are mostly outdated.

If that's the case I can see the motivation to have up-to-date weapons

That doesn't mean jack. Trump is fucking tofu when it comes to major decision making, going along with whatever plan sucks his cock the hardest.

If Bolton sells him on the idea that a war with Iran will make him the greatest president in history and erase Obama from existence, he'll do it.

Wouldn't the quantity probably outweigh the even need for quality

Not if the nukes explode in the silos.

Are you even sure that would happen

It's more fun if they blink in candyshop colors and have bluetooth.

At this point, we can assume the opposite of whatever Trump or his spokespeople say.

Trump won't sign the bill? Trump will sign the bill.
Trump won't fire McMaster? Trump will fire McMaster.
Trump won't go to war?…

Capitals aren't necessarily the highest priority targets for a first strike attack
Pic related depicts what a hypothetical soviet attack on the US would have looked like. Black circles are first strike targets, purple triangles are second strike targets.
The first strike in a global nuclear exchange would be aimed at preventing retaliation, while a second retaliatory strike would attempt to wipe out the enemy's civilian population by hitting cities.

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Legit the us air force found like 30% of its nukes are fit to use.

What the fuck is going on in Montana and North Dakota? I assume there are silos there? I know there are a lot out in rural areas in the West

If North Korea can do it, I doubt most of these nukes would "explode in silos". Being "unfit for use" doesn't mean premature explosion, it probably means they might not deploy at all.

Which is a problem, but if we take one out of five nukes the US military has, it's still more than anyone else on the planet

Putting "the ICBM might not deploy its payload" as a hypothetical negative in terms of the US military's wants was pretty painful.

I don't think I want to say that again.

They crash dozens of F-16s every year like they were paper airplanes and they are maintaining and exercising those all the time. I wonder how many ICBMs can realistically get off the ground. I guess if we ever need to nuke the midwest we're gravy though.

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yes, silos

How the fuck did this plan of genocide become the norm and commonly accepted as "how things are"?
Does humanity even deserve socialism?

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Because America was ready to do the same thing. Nuclear Weapons are a hell of a drug

If you really want to know more check out this good interview with Daniel Ellsburg. youtube.com/watch?v=zcOuWI9h_dc

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Such optimism

No, I mean.
How was it accepted on either side?
The U.S.'s plan for nuking the USSR would've looked similar and followed basically the same plan.
But.
Why'd it even get to that point? When did MAD stop being for those who had gone mad?

#MAGA I suppose.

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I don't think the toothpaste can be put in the tube again with nukes. It's awful they even exist but what can we do to stop their development? Technology was a mistake

Multilateral disarmament?
But that's beside the point. They have terrible power, but are merely destructive and not nearly as dirty as they used to be. It's less the use of them at all that bothers me. It's the genocide. It's thinking burning millions is acceptable. It's the modern form of terror bombing. Even when looking at them like as weapons, why is our "normal" potential use for them to be holocaust?

Once nuclear weapons became powerful these sort of plans were inevitable.

Here are some other cold war era war plans. I find them fascinating.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_Gap
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

Since we're basically picking a fight with China let's take a moment to appreciate their DF-26. Now, ordinarily I would say that on a navy to navy basis the U.S. dominates, but with their DF-26, navy wise there will be ballistic nuclear missiles landing on every aircraft carrier at mach 9. There is no defence against these, yet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-26

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Because war is war and war is blood. You aren't wrong, but "staying ahead of the curve" was the deciding factor in developing all those nuclear weapons, jets, helicopters, airplanes, experimental aircraft, tanks, APCs, automatic rifles, sonic electronic ball busters etc

Then, because Capitalism behaves this way, who wouldn't have seen this fucking coming, "staying ahead of the curve" became permanent in the sense that the Government and the US Military's put so much money into the manufacturing output during and directly after World War I and World War II, that it created the military industrial complex. It got worse every after the second world war.

Thus, the market became swaddled with weapons manufacturers that it needed, if they were gone it would all crash and fall apart. So the US, instead of manufacturing to keep ahead of the curved, manufactured weapons just to manufacture weapons so the market wouldn't destroy itself.

This was like heroin to the market, it's fucking awful to do, and you never should have done it, but blood feud necessitated manufacture and there's no checks and balances in capitalism to stop such a thing like this from happening in the first place.

As it grew, from the top down, every part of the US government, because if this all fell apart, so would the market, and what if the Soviets did this or that, infected regular political mind and thought

Why do you think people were even protesting the Vietnam War in the 60's. It wasn't just the Vietnam War, it's that World War II just happened, this kind of shit was frankly unprecedented in history at that point, and another World War could happen the next fucking week as people were being sent off to die. For a Cold War Truman declared with the Truman doctrine, he shot up the market with a kind of heroin it could never quit.

So, because of this endless feedback loop of arms manufacturing, it necessitated an arms race. Because the US was out of control in manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.

But now the Soviets are gone.

And the military industrial complex has reached its natural conclusion.

In a way, the Two World Wars managed to make America the deadliest power in existence not for any moral, justifiable, or logical reason, but because it has a lot of fucking money and it gave that money to weapons manufacturers to stay ahead of the curve in a growing diplomatic community, from the League of Nations to the UN.

Two World Wars worth of dead men cursed the soil they died on, creating the necessity to end all men.

It's fairly Biblical.

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Air Craft carriers occupy an interesting niche. They are incredibly useful for power projection during peace time and for toppling regimes in the developing world. But most of them would inevitably be sunk in the opening hours of a real hot war.
The defense is retaliation. There will be no hot war because the stakes are too high.

And here's an addendum

America created the biggest military the world has ever seen from Capitalism and because it has, it will never stop or it will end Capitalism.

Since the Soviets are gone, and they had less of this problem then just responding to what America could possibly do, America could justifiably demand for the end of the Soviet Union. And so it ended.

And now everyone is capitalist and capable of this very dire feedback loop of military manufacturing response turning into military industrial complex, the next big loop is other nations acquiring this feedback loop like a virus. Like a drug. Like heroin.

Which means some frankly terrible shit.

John Bolton is now in the White House everyone put their right hand over their heart because they have a gunshot wound right through it.

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I disagree with him on a lot but Dan Carlin has a pretty good podcast on the history of nukes and the kind of plans developed for their use and the logic behind them from ww2 up to the Cuban missile crisis. WARNING: 6 hrs long
stitcher.com/podcast/dan-carlins-hardcore-history-30606/e/48923655

Lol

America conquered the world and went mad because there wasn't anything left to conquer, so they keep fighting phantoms and perpetuating their international weapon buying club (NATO) to prop up their unsustainable military budget. There's no way out of the conquest feedback loop.

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And John Bolton couldn't be happier with his big new seat at the White House

Link please?

So did the wall meme finally die after the new budget was signed?

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>>>Zig Forums11404237

I doubt they will attack Syria. During the campaign Trump said he watched an Assad interview and came out of it questioning the mainstream narrative.

What the fuck else did Trump say during the campaign

I think "bomb their families" came up a few time

I'll believe it when the United States removes it 2,000 US soldiers from Syrian soil. Remember, it was said to be 500 before the Pentagon admitted it was 2,000 (as if we can trust that number). The war has already begun

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b-b-but he said he was against Iraq!

World's Wealthiest Lose $71 Billion in Market Selloff

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-22/market-rout-lops-71-billion-from-fortunes-of-world-s-wealthiest

Comrade Trump killing the porky.

I'm sure Zig Forums is still deluding themselves into believing it'll happen but it's dead for now. If they're lucky, they might put in some new fencing.

How many levels of American Imperialism is that guy on?

I think the wall is dead too but Trump never advocated for a wall along the entire border. I can look up page numbers in Crippled America if you want proof

No.

Bolton has the mentality of like Napoleon or Alexander of Macedonia.

Marceline is so sexy

Me, Before President Trump signs a fucking god awful spending bill

vs

Me, After President Trump signs a fucking god awful spending bill

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lad

I love how everything Trump does is part of some larger plan. 4D chess-fags are truly delusional

We are witnessing the bargaining to acceptance stage of depression unfold in a matter of moments and posts

If only that depression was directed at the president. He can do no wrong. Just like how appointing Bolton is a ruse too

welp, who's with me?

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If we're to die soon we might as well see it to the end; who knows, maybe the Maoists have a point with their chaos theory

Pretty much. This was likely Trump's last chance to get the WALL. The GOP are too scared to move on it and November will probably bring about a Democrat controlled House.

The ironic thing about this he would've gotten it if he made a DACA deal with the Dems. Now we can look forward to him impotently pushing it as November 8th approaches.