Are antifa useful and a means for promoting social change, or have they devolved into simpleminded anarchist agitators that cause public harm and damage the people's goods, and basically annoy everyone on every side of the political spectrum?
Antifa is short for the German phrase, “Antifaschistische Aktion,” Antifa served as the paramilitary arm of the German Communist Party (KPD), which the Soviet Union funded.
The KPD made no secret of Antifa’s affiliation. A 1932 photo of KPD headquarters in Berlin prominently displayed the double-flagged Antifa emblem among other Communist symbols and slogans.
Today’s Antifa embrace those roots. During February’s protest in Berkeley, masked Antifa agitators caused nearly $100,000 in damage by starting fires, breaking windows, assaulting bystanders with pepper spray and flagpoles, painting graffiti on nearby businesses, and destroying automatic teller machines. “Refuse Fascism,” the group organizing Saturday’s protests, is controlled by the Revolutionary Communist Party USA, which seeks to create a Marxist United States through violent revolution.
This is negative association, not positive. Or should the public be scared and annoyed on purpose?
I am sick of you fucking retards coming here with this concern trolling. At this point I think opposing Antifa should warrant a ban. They drove reactionaries like Richard Spencer away from our impressionable youth and humiliated the neonazis completely. Now the far right is too scared to hold public demonstrations in America anymore, because they know Antifascists will push their shit in. This is a great achievement. Fuck off. Only a Nazi or someone who views the world through a reactionary lens says this.
Oh no, as anti-capitalists we have a huge problem with this
We would never endorse such a thing
Jacob Howard
Nowadays I personally don't give a fuck what antifa does. I like how they rile up and bully nazis and the aut right and after doing that autists don't come on school campuses screeching about their right to commit genocide against "onwhite" people. I don't understand if you care more about dumbass windows being broken instead of people dying to autistic nazi rallys and being shot up in public. I don't mind anarchist orgs and shit helping people plant gardens or fix crumbling infrasctures or running food banks because it helps everyone. I don't think anyone would be against that would be autistic "anti-collectivists" whatever that means The public does what it'll do, personally I don't care for most "popular opinions". It's all a spectacle.
Ryder Gray
No, it is defiantly a negative. Reactionary dickheads take advantage of antifa beating the shit out of nazis to say "antifa are the real fascists" which gives stupid people the impression that the (legit) fascists are actually just misunderstood conservatives. The positive aspects are being warped into negative aspects by people like Spencer to misinform the gullible public. It's a lose-lose situation.
Robert Miller
confused much
richard spencer was always a joke among the right, similar to milo yianopolous or jordan peterson, useful idiots for minor issues, they made fools of themselves because they have so many holes in their character and ideology
me neither, specially how they hide their faces, it makes them look like the bad guys
Jordan Jenkins
Go outside you imbecile. No one fucking believes this- especially when it comes from the mouths of these people. I am certain you are a Zig Forumsshit concern troll now.
useless smashies who make me want to call myself a "social minarchist" instead of anarchist. would rather oppose spectacle-``facism'' than the capitalism they live in. may possibly oppose a little or encourage it a little regarding them busting up small businesses windows depending on the city and the neighborhood, and prior context. dont care about knocking over trash cans. not that its any meaningfull or even symbolic victory to break random shit it just doesnt affect much overall, hence 'useless smashies' played out subject of thread. one downvote for OP. this subreddit has higher standards than this.
Justin Baker
I can just imagine you phoneposting from your #Marchforourlives rally.
Nolan Cook
I can just imagine you wishing that was an argument.
Luke Lee
smashies are stupid, supreme praxis is doing nothing and talking about obscure marxist philosophers on an anonymous imageboard for conspiracy theories and child porn
Ayden Rodriguez
I'm not OP you turbo-sperg. It's a common belief if you hang around the groups the alt-right has a hold on. I never said antifa was bad so I'm not sure why you think I'm a Zig Forumsyp unless you're just confused and angry.
You sure convinced me, thanks fam.
Jonathan Hughes
One day user.
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Kayden Bailey
Can you go be a dumbasss liberal somewhere else? If you don't know and don't want to know about the difference between private property and personal belongings shut up. I don't care if Dick Spencer was a "joke" it's good to see all the dirty laundry and hypocrisy. Hahaha please shut the fuck up
Levi Gutierrez
This is your mind on soros-bux.
Evan Rivera
Hee hee hee ho ho ho, your own group doesn't count.
Luke Evans
You're a dipshit. What would be the point in convincing you?
Zachary Gomez
*expanding cosmic brain* Nice retort.
Ryan Sullivan
Have you been to /v/? Any reddit board? Any place to discuss "geek culture" has a strong alt-right foothold, and unless you want to not talk about your hobbies you have to deal with it.
Benjamin Stewart
Whoops meant not
Kevin Miller
Smashies are fucking retarded and have 0 concept of actual political theory. They give actual leftists a bad name. You are either a troll or are retarded.
Brandon Cook
Fuck off.
Luke Brooks
This culture war shit is all stupid and a fucking spectacle. This "geek culture" shit is all consumerist bullshit. I bully people whenever they try "converting" me into aut right shit because it's all so pathetic. I can certainly sympathize with people but not dumbfucks screeching about kekistani epic pay pay.
Henry Rivera
Full stop, this conversation is over
Jackson Bailey
Learn to read.
Connor Diaz
Because nobody actually conflates antifa with being leftist right?
Caleb Cook
I'm agreeing you fucking retard. '>>2448919 If you're a dumbfuck liberal then probably.
Ironically it is you that has no grasp of actual political theory if you think allowing reactionaries to recruit the youth is good praxis. People like pic related deserve nothing more than to be deplatformed and punched in the nose.
I never said they were important I said they were the ones pushing for the normalization of people like Spencer and other cryptofascist personalities.
What culture war? It's talking about videogames and socializing. Just because you learned a new word doesn't mean you have to apply it to everything hoping it'll stick.
If you consider videogames to be a hobby and you admit to browsing 8/v/ and reddit, you deserve the aut right.
Ethan Gutierrez
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Jayden Price
Okay well autistic /v/ermin and redditors aren't ever gonna have that grasp. If you haven't noticed, autistic reactionaries push for imaginary karlture wars where being a tradishunalist/conservative makes people anti-establishment (it doesn't)
I will make fun of you too, don't think you're too safe TL;DR fuck these consumerist cucks
Asher Martin
NOBODY SAID THAT BEGONE THOT
Jaxson Cook
Milo is a joke. People only pay attention to him because of people like you who try to silence him. People with bad ideas should be allowed to speak so they can be publicly mocked.
Robert Miller
What are you talking about?
Adam Murphy
how else can that be interpreted?
Kevin Fisher
Hee hee hee ho ho ho That already happens. Milo doesn't have to talk in order to mock himself. I wonder how shilling Misinfo Wars soy vitamins is going for him ;D
Nolan Bell
see
Jordan Walker
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Sebastian Ramirez
You admit to going to aut-right hives and you complain about seeing too many aut-right opinions. Maybe you should get a less shitty hobby or head over to neogaf
except it's a loud minority who're pushing their shit on lukewarm impressionable people who don't tell them to fuck off.
nou. Stop pretending to be a big wrinklebrain, it's not working.
Ian Roberts
You know /v/ is one of the boards that uses ID's right? You can block all the posts from particular users if you find them objectionable.
Josiah James
Thanks for the tip kind stranger xD I'm still new here and dunno how this whole thing works! mayhaps you have any other…how do you say…"pro tips" for a confused newbie like me :) ?
"Anti-fascism" is a pointless term and organizational praxis that only means to allow liberals and lifestylists into actual movements due to the wide political umbrella the term creates and turn them into popular fronts rather then united ones. By declaring oneself a socialist, a person should already be making it clear that they are against all forms of capitalism including Fascism. The only reason one would need to define themselves as "anti-fascist" or join an antifa organization would be if they themselves either do not find themselves to be socialist or if they believe that the current status quo of liberalism is worth defending as if the actions committed by it are any less attrocious. Fascism is an occurrence of capitalism where the inner mechanisms which were held hidden elsewhere in liberalism are brought out into full force and assume a more direct, brutal, and clear form as to defend and perpetuate the continuation of capitalism. It is merely further capitalism and can only exist within it. If antifa organizations spent half their time actually planning meaningful seizures of property and coordinated attacks on actual key capitalist targets rather then smashing things which will get repaired by multi-million dollar international corporations a day later and pissing off the people in the town who don't get what is happening because the action was directionless, general, and unstated, then they might have been able to make actual headway in there goal of "defeating fascism".
