Let me sum up your post for you: Sure is doublethink in here. Yeah I think I'm gonna make this my last post. I've already responded to your points. This conversation is going nowhere. So I'm going to sum up my experience in the following paragraph.
The way you all react to demanding evidence is pitiful. You flop and flounder about. You respond, but you can't seem to do so with hard evidence. You become irate and try to use the same tactic on me, but in doing so you become disingenuous and you don't even know how ridiculous you sound. Completely unaware of your selves. Really? You want me to prove that people would rather not work? Please just ignore everything else and try to look at this question with some perspective. Do you really believe in your heart of hearts people want to clock in? Also can you make up your mind about communism? Is it about being post-scarcity or is it an economic philosophy? Do people need to be motivated to work or not? You all keep posting contradictory opinions, as if no one really cares what communism really is. You all just need it to be whatever suits you because it's ultimately just a fantasy that you use to escape from what I can only assume are your shitty lives. The utter lack in this thread should be a great warning sign to you all that you're wasting your lives. Prove people don't want to work. LMFAO
I really like how the guy above me posted a whole fucking BOOK in response. If that's not a panic-based reaction I don't know what is.
Mason Walker
First, there are multiple anons here talking to you. The point was that people do enjoy doing "work" that is self-directed and in communism that work can be directed towards self-improvement. In communism they wouldn't need to have a job and earn compensation from it to survive because it would be a post scarcity society. In socialism they have to work a job to survive as the conditions are not that of a post-scarcity society and their survival depends on their labour. The difficulty of that labour is alleviated somewhat however due to efficient structuring and everyone engaging in production, which will leave people more time to do the things they want to do in socialism as compared to capitalism, but not as much time as they would have in communism. You seem to get mixed up the necessary work someone has to do in a scarce society to survive with the work someone chooses to do in communism because they just want to make or do something, which is honestly more of a "hobby" or creative pleasure. It is Philosophy, yes. Strict economic structure, no. Know your terms and the difference. You have not backed your claim, which was While we have by differentiating between self-directed leisurely work and necessary work done for survival and posting information regarding motivation, like the RSA talk. Now your making appeals to emotion. We also already differentiated between leisurely work and necessary work. Are you seriously comparing the two to each other as the same thing? No one is saying you'll necessarily love your necessary work in socialism, but you will have far more free time to do the leisurely work you wish to do afterwords. Holy shit, you really don't understand either of those terms do you? Do you think either of those are mutually exclusive? An economic philosophy (The idea of a state of society that will be post-scarcity) is not contradictory and is completely different from the economic structure that allow communism to exist. Machines automating all necessary work for survival so that none is necessary is an economic structure. The post-scarcity society which result from all necessary work is done in which people can engage is leisurely work and pursuits is communism. Already explained this. People work by necessity in socialism, by choice in communism. Their actions and self-interest is entirely dependent on the system and material conditions they exist in. I am need to working socialism to survive because things are still scarce. In communism I don't because things are not scarce and so motivation is dependent on what I do to improve myself, another self-interest which is divorced from the need derived from scarcity. No their not contradictory, your just stating terms and changing their meaning so you can say they are. Uh-huh You haven't provided anything but a quote from your girlfriend Here's his youtube channel where he goes over concepts and models if your so lazy youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ
Sorry if I've been slow, but I have necessary work, not leisure.
