The lonely and the downtrodden

One thing I've noticed in Forever Alone/Incel circles is the prevalence of poverty. Tons of these men are going through massive financial hardship and have become isolated from society and women as a whole. They are wagecucks with little prospects for the future due to having little (or no) education and no financial support system (family) to back them up. A lot of these men are also semi-class conscious due to years working dead end jobs that only barely give them enough subsistence.

So my question to all of you is, how can we turn these men towards socialism? How can we take make a compelling argument that capitalism/porky are the ones stealing their potential and alienating them from women and society as a whole?

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You can't, because idpol has already infected many of these places

T.ex-incel that got some of his shit together and is aware of these places

I am gay

My experience of discussing with incels showed me the exact opposite — class-cuckery of the highest order. But then again, we can't really know for sure until some sociologist decides to study /r9k/ so we have some non-anecdotal material to rely on.

Carefully crafted propaganda designed to prey on the weaknesses of human psychology is aimed at everyone, not just the incels.

Give them book on cybernetics, system analysis and dialectical materialism, impose your will but not your intelligence, do not explicate, do not stultify and they will reach the conclusion that you have reached in your knowledge of capitalism.

In fact a certain degree of depersonalization and derealization that these people experience may help them in their studies. If you show to them that neoliberal discourse pushed in media and infecting culture is based on lies and made to serve the handful on top, then they will draw their conclusion that they in fact are being cheated and being lied to. Keep in mind to communicate that you and I were also deceived, misguided.

Universal education is truly emancipatory.

women ARE our oppressors. porky isn't forcing them to only go for guys with chiseled jawlines and positive canthal tilts, they make that choice themselves

incels exist in every income group, in every country, from every race, from every background, but only one gender

if women can be brainwashed that easily then they should not have the choice of men

Incels have so gone off the deep end, I can't even tell if that's satire or not.

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Not to say you're completely wrong, but I really don't think this is a good barometer. /r9k/ is tiny and filled with mentally ill right wing cucks who have been addicted to 4chan for half their lives. The biggest incel communities have nothing to do with 4chan. Though tbh the incel community kind of disintegrated after reddit banned r/incels. r/braincels is its replacement but it isn't as big.

I am gay man

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I am sad that I haven't told everyone that I am gay

I hope you realize that there is almost nothing you can do to convince, lets say somebody like Elliot Rodger, to become a socialist. There is no ideology that is going to magically make all their fucked up problems go away. Socialism can solve our current economic problems/exploitation, but can’t solve supreme gentleman shit, or cartoon ghost girl delusions. Unless under socialism they actually get the mental help/supervision they need ;^)

And mouthbreathers like this are the reason the aut-right is 1000x bigger than leftism in the US. He really thinks every incel out there is an elliot rodger in waiting lol. Keep circle jerking in twitter you fucking parasite

another thing: we are poor because people with bad looks are discriminated against in jobs

Zig Forums has threads every day where they mock ugly people (their justification is that the ugly people holding right wing views makes it acceptable, but if they considered it unacceptable then they wouldn't be doing it in the first place). socialists would make life the same hell for incels

I am ugly and gay

I like these because of my autism, but I doubt the other r9ktards will care, it's much easier for them to rationalise it as jews/muslims/

That's because most of these people are middle class liberals and they're LARPing as leftists. That's why they hate incels with a passion.

Leftypol does not mock people for being ugly, they mock them when they make claims about genetic superiority when they look like mistakes of god

Yeah, I’d say this is a pretty logical conclusion. It’s kinda like being a heroin addict, it never “ends well”. I haven’t heard of any blogposts speaking off how joyous it is to be an incel, how they never want it to change, and how awesome it would be to be able to stay an incel forever.

Very few incels do that. Stop confusing them for aut-rightists

we mock ugly aut-rightists because their ideology itself is based on physiognomy and anyone who isn't a 7 feet tall Aryan ubermensch with the features of a Roman statue is considered a subhuman mongrel, so it exposes their hypocrisy

it's interesting that you, judging from your flag, would support the one political movement that makes facial aesthetics part of its ideology. not subconsciously discriminating against unattractive people, but openly stating that people with poor physiognomy are inferior and should not exist

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This x 10000

Infact the very language they use themselves is manipulatively Fallacious in its being. “Incel” meaning INVOLUNTARY celibate. IE, my woes have nothing to do with my own actions/being, it’s others that are inflicting me with this pain, THEY are the ones denying, and starving me of my “rightfull pleasure” (sound fucking familiar yet?) So yes, I’m short incels get the Gulag, and thank you for your time.

they do that all the time, they have to audacity to get angry at mexicans and african americans while they NEET their asses off

but this usually applies for the late stage of being an incel, the existance of leftypol i think has already provided an outlet for many of those less indoctrinated by Zig Forums

This amounts to a kind of speech policing and should be rejected. Personal insults are a useful tool, regardless of whether the insult is grounded in a fundamental unfairness or not. When facing an enemy, you shouldn't let your convictons, pc, etc. get in the way.

Be like Jason, don't hesitate to exploit people's real vulnerability to mock them.

is suggest you read "Society of the spectacle" my man

This isn't true at all.

whomst are thou trying to flim-flam? Zig Forums is obsessed with looks and whiteness

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I'm basically the person you're trying to market to so I'll try to just explain my reasoning of why I go hard left. Like you said many of us are in poverty. At a certain point your material conditions start to become a lot more important than getting your dick wet.
I'm in my 30's now and I've still never seen a fucking dentist in my life for example. I'm pretty much unemployable right now under Neoliberal Capitalism and very likely to be homeless later in life. Under Communism on the other hand I would have a guaranteed job/housing and medical care.
This might not work as well for people still living in functioning social democracies but for people like me who are going through real poverty you have a lot to offer.

This, have you seen that xexizy and badmouse? Both middle class cunts living in giant houses in the suburbs. I fucking hate middle class ponses so much.

The thing is, most incels don't actually hate women as a whole - they hate white bourgeois women, then extrapolate their traits onto the entire gender. I mean, it's not hard to hate white bourgeois women, most detestable, entitled cunts on the planet.

Most incels are middle class scions who can NEET off their parents or at best/worst bitcoin mining and freelancing petit bourgs. You can't be working class if you never leave the basement. Stop whiteknighting for incels, let the nazis take them, it'll be all the sweeter when they are put up against the wall.

You know our demands. How many times must we repeat them? One man, one wife.

Women are people too, and they have the power to make their own choices. If no woman wants to be with you, they should not be forced.

Well women continue to "choose" to be part of a harem instead of dating average to below average guys like me. There will ugly wide ranging societal consequences in the long run.

Can you really be middle class if you're surviving off benefits? There's a lot of "underclass" lumpen here in the UK who do exactly that.

Well I was talking about the NEETs and hikkis who live off their parents. But yeah, the "neetbux" kind would be lumpen, which explains why they are reactionary scum whose prime recruiters are literal nazis. Only serves to prove that Marx was right about everything.

this is a fucking false flag and should get banned.

Poor people are reactionary scum?

lumpens are

I was using poor people who subsist off benefits and lumpen interchangeably so now I'm not sure who you side with.

it depends really, if they are the "gibsmedat" gang banger stereotype or a /r9k/ incel who proudly lives off neetbux and spends it on drugs and other frivolous shit they are lumpens, if it is just a temporary thing while working for employment they are poor proles

lumpens = class-unconscious poors who are chronically unemployed and live off scams, crime and parasitism

There are autists in every income group, but I've never seen a rich kid being an incel. Incel is definitely related to economic hardship, so is mental health, addiction, etc., yet the mainstream never relates these issues to the mode of production and everything is explained by nurture, personality and cultural phenomena.

In capitalism, there is nothing wrong with living off welfare.

the supreme gentleman

I dunno, in my experience it's been the case that they are middle-class failsons upset the uppity mexicans/muslims/immigrants are stealing their jobs and the girls they are entitled to by virtue of their whiteness and general social position.

Socialists in America should give free health care (especially post detox-programs for the addicted), psychological therapy, and housing to the precariat and homeless. Fred Hampton had the right idea.

Incel homeless heroin addicts who can't get it up have more dignity than you

Physical appearance really isn't the primary motivating factor for women. If the guy in OP pic was eloquent, had a brilliant sense of humor, and had charisma, women would be tripping over to put his cock inside them.

Nobody actually believes this. Not even you.

To be fair, he'd have to get a haircut, get some nice clothes, and work out just a little. Right now he reads like he hasn't bathed in days and doesn't care.

This, you can be ugly as shit but still be attractive or at least charming, just look at Mac Demarco

Why does this board always do everything possible to ignore the fucking problem whenever this topic is brought up?
Endless fucking rationalizations about how things are exactly as they should be, because 'you aren't ENTITLED to sex!!' as though that were the fucking issue at all. As if 'deserve' or 'entitled' has a single fucking thing to do with it.
"Well, among the two most lonely populations, the old and the young, the young experience their loneliness in deep connection to their sexuality. This is especially true for young men…"
And aside from that, demonizing the lonely young men as "the enemy." 'incel'=Zig Forums, /r9k/. as if eating up propoganda that preys on their vulnerabilities and invites them to feel some kind of solidarity and community demonstrates that they're fundementally, essentially reactionari nazis, obviously.
thats not even true to begin with, a thread about this is not really about incels specifically and you should be able to fucking see that. they're a label and community that formed around alienation and lonleyness, so they're a neat little symbol for it.

Lol

This is anti-materialist and thus anti-communist, get that blue-pilled ass banned.

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nah mate incels get the bullet

t. eternal virgin who nevertheless realizes that my class is far more important than identity based on whether I can get my dick wet or not

Traitors hang the highest. Don't forget.

Idiotic statment tbh.
He would have to work on his looks a bit, but looks is subordinate to charisma, personality ecc.

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Not what I said or implied, retard.

Pathetic tbh

You aren't entitled to sex.

Sex is a human right.

He was ugly long before he became an indie darling

"Human rights" are spooks.

Yeah and? What's your point?

Not every below average male can become a music super star to have sex, this is the equivalent of pointing to "self made millionaires" as proof that capitalism works. You sure you're an actual leftist, and not just a Democrat?

I've met some shockingly ugly males with some incredibly attractive women in my life. Their personality more than made up for their physiognomy.

Just learn to be an interesting fucking person to people of the female gender. You don't need to do steroids or start jelqing. Look at Louis CK, he's an ugly fat fuck but women absolutely adore him because of his sense of humor.

lol you're brain dead my dude

And that's socialism means free pocket pussies and socialization programs. Having sex is better as you become a better person, not the other way around.

sigh… every single argument you people make is capitalist apologia simply rebranded to attack incels instead of the poor…

I see this thread is gonna descend into "lets vindicate our biases by dogpiling the retarded rose". nice.
for the record, I dont identify as "incel" or associate with those communities, and I'm not as badly or acutely affected by lonleyness as a lot of other young men.

That doesnt really change anything about the situation though.
Chances are, hes not eloquent or funny, hes somewhere from borderline autistic to a little bit actually so.

Yes, I know those are significantly more important than relationships, before you reply to this in the stupidest way possible.
Its not a fucking question of 'entitlement'. Nor is it actually about getting fucking laid. I repeat:
"young people experience loneliness in deep connection to their sexuality"
so, lonely people deserve it, they arent ENTITLED to relationships. fuck'em hahahaha
die.

Here's a personal acquaintance of mine:
She's an art director for a printing business, her husband is a stay at home dad.

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Not talking about millionaire celebrities, talking about regular people.

I can think of a specific example. When I was vacationing in Bali and visited this nightclub in Kuta, I saw the most hideous looking man I've ever seen. Literally looked like "gollum" from LOTR.

He was surrounded by 2 adoring women who were obviously in love with him. I decided to listen to what they were talking about, and he was actually fucking hilarious. The fact that he was making those women laugh more than made up for the fact that he was hideous.

I can think of the reverse as well. I've known good looking men who work out every day, but don't get any pussy just because they're fucking boring.

Stay at home dad? That's pretty rare these days, I get the feeling he is loaded and you're purposefully omitting this.

That dude probably had money too. Even if he didn't your anecdote is worthless. Anecdotes aren't arguments.

"personality" in the sense you're talking about is just as unrelated to who you really are and gotten by luck of the draw as looks. some sociopaths have great "personality", in that sense, some fine people do too.
you're right but it doesnt change anything.

Lol they're on fucking foodstamps my dude.

Healthcare and a job are categorically different from sex. To receive healthcare you must partake in the product of the doctor's labor, this is allowable in both socialism and communism, as in socialism it is the doctor's duty and in communism the fruits of labor are to be freely shared in common.
To have a job you must simply labor, which is obviously fundamental to both socialism and communism.
Sex is not labor, it is not the product of labor, it is a social interaction with its own norms outside of the systems of exchange and production essential to socialism and communism.

Well again your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

P.s. sex certainly is labor. You're thinking undialectically

Sex is not labor, you infantile little prick.
It produces nothing, takes 5 minutes and has vastly more social and psychological implications and relations than labor.
Reering children from birth to adulthood is labor, flopping atop a women for the feable 2 seconds your degenerated pencil dick can manage is not.

Nitpicking details to avoid the actual point
You aren't entitled to either of thoes things under capitalism. We dont reply with scorn to those who want to have them whilst still under capitalism, do we though. That was the point.
I repeat:

Sex is definitely labor and sex definitively produces something. You're think undialectically my dude. Stop mystifying sex.

Eat a dick, infant.

The difference in the question of scorn is that, while the worker is not entitled to those things in capitalism, the system I want, socialism, will make those things basic necessities, it would not do the same with sex as it would violate the autonomy of those same workers whose autonomy we were trying to preserve.

Very good, please do.

You've yet to make a single argument for your position, go get laid our please, for God's sake, kill yourself, you contribute nothing to society, you would contrinute nothing to socialism, we don't need you, we don't want you, you are trash, garbage, worthless, unwanted and unloved. Every single aspect of your bring that you've presented is repugnant to anyone with even a shred of decency or a fucking brain. Drink. Bleach.

Lie all you want, you're convincing nobody.

So you're convinced then?

the tertiary thing that pisses me off seeing literally any fucking attempt to address young male loneliness reacted to as "MANDATORY STATE ASSIGNED RAPE SLAVES", by the way.

nah. most of this board is lonely young men

yeah no shit we all realize there are material conditions underlying their reaction, it doesn't mean we shouldn't attack and ridicule their batshit ideas

"ugh people don't you realize that black hundreds are victims of capitalism. we shouldn't bomb, shoot and hang them, let us all just sit around a bonfire and sing kumbayah instead, hoping they won't kill us first" ~ Lenin if he were you and also retarded

are you a /r9k/ incel who thinks that women should be literally enslaved or killed because they don't want to fuck you? no? then you're probably not a reactionary

You're not dealing with a single type of person here. Being sexually successful means conforming to what is socially necessary, not getting any is, well, not getting any, and rejection can happen for a laundry list of reasons.

I think the best medicine is to show incels that sexuality isn't all it is cracked up to be, and that most men wind up miserable. Unfortunately I tried that a long time ago, and these incel forums are dominated by shills and emotional vampires who use the place to keep followers down and stuck in the same rut.

I'm glad I gave up on sexualism years ago.

Say it with me now:
social workers, dating coaches, and vouchers for co-op sex workers are the only practicable solution to the incel question

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Dating coaches should not be PUAs, rather they should be psychologists and psychoanalysts

90% of incels who brigade this board offer that as the solution to young male loneliness.

Dating coaches and sex workers are a bad idea.
Therapy, perhaps medications, and most importantly, a fitness couch are what these little pricks need. Get them eating right and hitting the gym and they'll be acceptable in no time.

Just stop posting lol