On the “Guns won’t stop the government argument”

What are your favourite arguments against the narrative? I personally cite that asymmetric warfare and a motivated working class could overcome any military.

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Well that and the fact that insurgents deliberately avoid engaging the military.

drones and bombs didn't help the IDF against Hezbollah or the Brits against the IRA.

honestly this narrative might have been false 10 years ago, but with advanced drones and modern surveillance states I'm not so sure anymore

Asymmetric warfare works by letting the enemy take your territory and then bothering them until they decide it's cheaper to leave than to stay. This works nicely when the enemy is a foreign invader (or just foreign) and you have a large population that hates their guts. It doesn't work so well when you do it in the US, which can't afford to let you live and has the resources to make sure you are dead. How many movements haven't tried to take on the US government already?

The effectiveness of armed struggle varies greatly based on what kind of force your opponent is willing to use.
Yemen is a good example of what will happen if your enemy is willing to carry out atrocities. Furthermore the international media will ignore you if you don't serve a useful purpose as designer victims. Also left wing rebel groups tend to have outright fascists gunning for them, see Turkey invading Afrin.

Holy shit that rifle third from the right is an M1941 Johnson, that’s super weird and I never noticed before.

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The purpose of guns in a first world revolution would be to opose police force on riots, fascist oposition and to deal the final blows to the bourgeoise once the movement is strong enough. All the major damage would have to come from strikes.
Even the army can't do shit if the economy is stopped, On the plus side some army members can easily change sides. If a soldier conects the right dots the nationalist brainwashing flips on its head and they realize the nation is the people not the goverment.

guns on their own wont get a revolution anywhere if the working class isn't organized
when it is it needs to use the weapons to seize the means of production, and that too takes more than direct confrontation with the military

american style "gun ownership" doesnt even bother the ruling class really

soldiers will defect if they have to kill their own country's citizens… its what happened in russia. but im worried about