Labour denies losing 17,000 members over antisemitism row piling pressure on Jeremy Corbyn

Membership reached a peak of 570,000 after the general election but now appears to be falling
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How to stop this?

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quick rundown on the corbyn antisemitism thing please

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Is this about the Zionists who got butthurt by Livingstone?

who gives a shit if dumb blarite liberals leave? I genuinely couldn't give a fuck if people like this refuse to cooperate with labour, becuase of utter bullshit like this.

Remove all philosemites.

It's apparently about him giving an endorsement in 2012 on Facebook to this painting.

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what's antisemitic about this? I seriously fail to see it.

A lot of Jewish groups associate bankers with Jews because they are funded by the Jewish bourgeoisie which is heavily involved in finance. At least that's my theory.

this is just fucking paranioa at this point.

Not liking Israel giving Ethiopians birth control without their knowledge or consent is anti-Semitism, too.

TL;DR: it all started with Ken Livingstone saying Hitler was a Zionist and a Momentum leader saying "my ancestors [she was jewish] financed the slave trade". (this is factually incorrect btw on both accounts and was the kind of shit the Nation of Islam put out)
Now what happened since then is there have been a trickle of reports of cllrs being selected that either had posted pol-tier holocaust denial or were fucking memeri-tier. This built up over time and the party, having gone from like 150k to 550k members, could not handle the complaints fast enough.
What triggered this recent "crisis" was a report from 2012 of Corbyn defending a mural, now the mural [>>2460932] itself is kinda borderline but its painter is fucking Zyklon ben tier: saying it is basically about "MUH ROTHSCHILDS CONTROLLING THE WORLD".
So two domestic jewish pressure groups (The Jewish board of deputies; a broad front jewish pressure group, and the jewish labour movement; the jewish section within labour formally called Poale Zion [not it is not an pro-israeli group, that is LFI]) wrote a letter to Corbyn and had a protest in parliament square. Corbyn has put out statements to the effect of "I am not an anti-semite, the blokes at Cable Street did nothing wrong Mosley deserved it" and some genuine efforts are being taken to deal with legitimate anti-semites.
Since this our right wing press (aka the whole press) has started to have a field day, although ironically it is starting to backfire as a) anti-semites in the tories come out b) leftish jews get pissed off c) groups live leave.eu tried to make it about labour trying to get muslim votes and the Jbd denounced that d) news just moving on e) the recent actions of Israel have had many jews also condemning that and right-wingers saying "but wait you are meant to love israel f) it actually strengthening the pro-Corbyn jewish group: Jewish Voice for Labour g) creating solidarity in several CLPs (this has happened to mine, we had our biggest meeting in a long time a few days back because of this very issue: it was a good one).

Now to get on to the impacts:
As for the "17k people leaving" that figure is mostly bollocks: "officials" giving out membership reports that aren't the actual figure tend to be exaggerated, also memberships of parties fall all the time because people leave for all kinds of reasons/don't re-register.
As for Labour's relationship with the Jewish community, well some were never going to support Corbyn because he is pro-Palestinian (although actually 75% of british jews, polled by Jewish Chronicle, support the creation of an actual Palestinian state), however I think some jews are genuinely concerned. Now winning back the trust of this group will take time, but I do think it can happen with a better social policy (more on that later).
As for polling, I will put money it will have NO impact on westminster voting intention.
Now there are some important local elections coming in May, however again I think this entire incident will again have NO impact, not even in the borough of barnet (the highest council area in the UK with a jewish population at 17%). This is for a couple reasons: a) people at locals vote on local issues b) the calibre of local parties matter far more c) national politics has little impact on locals d) local candidates also are a massive factor in local elections. What will happen is Labour will do well and the right-wing and liberal press with have a stroke because they won't be able to realise how the fuck this happened "Corbyn hates all the jews see?!"
Long term in the party, I think these events have the potential to actually help: first it allows for the ditching of the memeri tier wanks (a relic of blair's attempts to engage in US style identity politics and pander to some members of the muslim community no-matter-what). Secondly it will likely introduce a firmer structure with community engagement, which is always nice. Third it will allow for a revamp of the complaints procedure, which is horrifically out of date. And finally, which is the most important: it may lead to the establishment of ideological education in the party. You see some are pointing to this anti-semitism as a result of people taking the liberal "muh 1%" dogma, then saying well who is the largest group of the 1% disproportionately? Jews, then leading on from that. The reason is that while a lot of people support the policies put forth by Labour's Marxist Mastermind; John McDonnell, they don't know the theory. As such they fall into right-wing traps of a small elite controlling the world rather than a structural analysis. When everything is the result of individuals or a group of individuals, it lends itself to anti-semitism and other forms of bigotry: this is where you get the Alex Jones shit from. Now a surprising amount of people (including my personal enemy, Owen Jones) have suggested opening up socialist book clubs and class and shit to actually educate the membership in marxian theory rather than just saying "hey, the system is rigged maaaahhhnnn".

So TL;DR: a genuine issue taken up by a community blown out of proportion by the press that said community is starting to turn against which will have little impact on actual electoral prospects and as a political movement may long term strengthen the party by forcing through structural reforms.
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Most of this conspiracy shit has undertones of antisemitism, but it's a fucking spinning backwards leap to suggest opposing the destruction of a conspiracy shit mural is an endorsement of antisemitism.

Corbyn did nothing wrong.
Eddie Izzard is a whore.

Have you ever read some of the hot takes of the Antideutsche in Germany? Criticizing austerity politics is structural antisemitism, as I've read it in one publication.

Well you said "quick", but this ain't a quick situation.

Where are the jews?

The evil bankers obviously. What kind of vile anti-semite cannot understand that all evil banker caricatures are Jews?

The guy who painted the painting said the people around the table are meant to be the Rothschilds and Warburgs.

God I hate liberals

Eddie Izzard looks progressively sillier as the years go by. What in god's name is that attire lol

Some of these Labour ones need to wind their neck in, facebook posting was a mistake. You want to question the Holocaust be my guest, but posting your autism for the wider public or in this the mainstream media is nonsensical.

Blairite purge when?

*or in this case the

good. get rid of the idpolers.

He had an interview for the role: he literally had no positions. His only stance is rabid europhillia, the rest there is nothing. Tbf it means he isnt a threat to the redleft project, he isnt ideologically blairite becuase he is nothing.

In 2012 some vaguely left edgelord made an Alex Jones-tier mural and the British government had it removed on grounds of (implicit) antisemitism. Corbyn sympathized with the artist and compared it to a Rockefeller destroying a Diego Rivera mural that contained Lenin.

For whatever reason this has come up now. People (mostly Tories, but some legitimately concerned British Jews) are saying Corbyn is antisemitic because of this, and alleging that antisemitism is a major problem within the Labour Party. Most Tory critics are insisting that this has something to do with Corbyn's rejection of Zionism and sympathy for Hezbollah.

The illuminati pyramid is often associated with antisemitic conspiracy theories. Also some of the bankers have big noses. If the guy on the left (nose, beard, money) was seen on a 1920s German pamphlet he would be universally understood as a Jew.

This user has it.
Also gudio (a web tabloid) got triggered that Corbyn went to a seder with a radical religious socialist jewish group. Ironically most jewish peeps on twitter are like "dude, they're just jewish radicals why are you triggered?"
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^fun fact the bloke that cowrote "three lions on the shirt"

It's still fucking retarded to say it's antisemitism when there is no explicit indication for it. Evil people are always portrayed with long noses, receding hairline and slouched back in every propaganda art in the world.

The establishment plays way too often the antisemitism card when you call put certain cabals of the ruling class.

The Independant is a pro Tory news source that lies about Labour all the time.

This tbqh.

Because the jews do actually run the show. Get it through your heads.

"The lady doth protest too much"…

DELET

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Non-jews that run the show get the bullet too.

I didn't know about this shit until looking on shitter recently - absolute irrational rubbish, with a strong tone of zionism. Not as in "anything Jews do is zionism!!" but as Israel's interest groups are among those directly driving this specifically because of Corbyn's stance on Israel. Ironically, in Tweetland, some of the same folks rabidly repeating the accusations are also celebrating Winnie Mandela's death because she killed people and stuff. Because it's only ok when imperialists do it or something.

As for Corbyn, he'll weather this - but there'll be damage. Mostly because simply saying someone is an anti-semite is damaging. But it's obvious that, as is usually the case with these crowds, there's not a right answer - Corbyn said something about a problem with antisemitism in labour, tantamount to acknowledging that some people in one of the UK's largest parties are antisemites. The mob took this as an admission of guilt or of rampant antisemitism in the party - but you can bet that if he had said they had no problem with it, they'd cherrypick individual cases and claim he was sticking his head in the sand or 'covering for' labour antisemites. You can bet a whole lot more Jew-haters vote Tory, the party that ran their Brexit campaign on fictional hordes of brown people while Corbyn supported Brexit for actual economic reasons. And I shouldn't have to even fucking mention BNP or UKIP.

This nonsense is the wrath of Blairites, Tories, landlords, and Israel-buddies.

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tbh I'm jewish but this seems pretty sinister when to be against "globalism" means you are racist. It plays into liberal's hands perfectly because anyone against the system can be framed as a racist. I think this is a natural conclusion to immigration too, sadly, because immigration, world capitalism and free trade have become so intertwined that you're not allowed to criticize one without criticizing the other.

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Silly British goyim, any criticism of Israel or any jew for actions he or she has done is antisemitism comparable to Hitler and you should feel ashamed for doing it. The criticism being true is completely irrelevant. You would think you would get with the program by now.

*pogrom

Not only does this mural recycle antisemitic tropes, it's also politically and artistically worthless. Thank God this garbage was removed.

corbyn is a jew who cannot even do basic accounting
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Two of those are from 2015 (before he even published his economic plans) and one of them is another remainer autistically screeching about how brexit is going to end civilisation.
Disregarded.

Some lefty made a mural depicting a small group of wealthy elites exploiting the masses. Jews immediately assumed it was pointing the finger at them (funny how that works)
The rest is history

Funny how that always happens, huh?