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What does Zig Forums think of Obrador?

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Cautious optimism.

Drumpf is finished…for real this time.

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Porky.

2cathbol4me

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Gross

Something worse… bureaucrats

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Yeah the coalition is a bit oddball:
- New DemSoc movement
- Labourist Party
- Family Values catholics that don't care about economics
One of these things is not like the others.

Haha yes! Fuck white collar workers Bureaucrats amirite?

The big Mexican unions are a hive of scum and villany

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Isn’t the PRI suppose to be proto-socialist, at least that’s what my Burger history teacher told me?

PRI are what happens when you say "socialism is when the government does stuff" but they you get power and make the government do stuff. They formed collective farms but apart from that is was pure nationalisation. They grew more and more authoritarian, especially after WWII and became a US ally anyways. They held free elections in the 1990s, lost, NAFTA was signed, Zapatistas do their thing and cartels come around.

I feel like the PRI is an important part of the legacy of the Mexican bourgeois revolution against feudalism and slavery but as an actual party they’ve outlived their usefulness t. Gringo

The opposing alliance is just as bizarre

>SocDem New Left party that's pro-lgbt pro minimo vital (I'm assuming it's like the Buen Vivir from the rest of Latin America)

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Oh I agree, also they've adopted blairism now so are basically a force of neoliberal reaction. I honestly hope AMLO will readopt the communal farm structure, which was fucked by NAFTA, I doubt it though.
Also apparently AMLO has personal beef with the Zapatistas, so don't expect a top 10 anime teamup there.
You talking PAN-PRD-MC? Yeah they're weird
- The tories
- Effectively mexican anti-communist eastern european socdems
- Edgy hip new social democratic liberal direct feminist ecology gang

Then you have who the PRI are with:
- blairite scum
- fucking plain liberals
- The greens who are shit greens that in local government sold off a load of rainforest to logging companies
Also anyone know about the independent? She is the former wife of a PAN president.
This election si balls-to-the-wall.

While an AMLO win would decrease the appeal of the Zapitistas and Socialism in general. hey oppose NAFTA. And if NAFTA was gutted revolutionary potential in America would skyrocket. So call me a selfish Burger, but that is why I think an AMLO win would be good.

I'm not so sure about that, if NAFTA was kill both sides of the border would go fash, with revolutionary consciousness as it is right now.

This is something Mexican trots have been saying for a while, and for once I think they're actually right on this. Their proposal of building a solidary working class movement across the three NAFTA countries is equally unrealistic, though.

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explain

They had their origins in the Mexican revolution, which was not exactly socialist but was certainly a class war. Over time they became a totally corrupt party of power like United Russia or something. Cárdenas was pretty decent though.

The value chain of North American industry is spread out among the three countries, if NAFTA dies these industries would have to reorganize and those who cannot move to Asia would probably die. 80% of the Mexican economy depends on trade with the US. Meanwhile the US agricultural southern economy depends on trade with Mexico. Without NAFTA we would expect a trade war between the two countries as the one the US is about to have with China.

While none of this is fascistic per se, fascism is one of the ways the bourgeoisie has had to have recourse to when those snafus present themselves.

No the industry would reorganize on a local level. Countries would generally produce stuff for domestic markets. In America the lumpen service economy would turn to shreads. However Industry would reaper as demand for domestic industrial goods increase. As someone from the rust belt I don’t care if the rest of the country goes to shreds. They deserve it for signing NAFTA in the first place and turning the rust belt into what it is today. In Mexico while some factories would collapse. Most goods being sold to America would instead be sold in Mexico, thus ending economic imperialism and strengthening Mexico as a whole. Also Mexican agriculture would get a boom. While in the short term scraping NAFTA might be harmful in the long term it would be beneficial to both Mexico, and America, or at least the parts of America that matter anyways.


Neoliberal global trade has been the major driving force behind fascism recently. Remove that and there is less support for fascism. Also as socialists shouldn’t we want crisis because it allows for increased revolutionary potential.

AMLO IS CATHBOL GANG

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it's going to be PRI PRI PRI all the way all the time with no escape

Half the country actually is though.

how long till he's assassinated like the rest?

Last time he was suspected to win and didn't (see likely fraud) there were mass protests. If he were to be assassinated, that could set things off big time.

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The yanks have been saying "RUSSIA WILL SUPPORT AMLO!" for the last 6 months, the same that they have been saying "AMLO IS CHAVEZ REINCARNATED". I honestly hope the latter is true, but the Mexicans don't give a shit. In the last 30 years they have had both a US puppet dictatorship and a narco-state: they have experienced both ends of US imperialism and are fucking sick of it.
Also apparently AMLO has met with Corbyn a few times, just saying.

Direct invasion of Mexico under Bolton.

Good fucking luck. You want to know something interesting? most rural catholic churches in Mexico have armouries. Add to that the armed police, army, cartels, militias, private security forces. It would be Afghanistan 2: tequila boogaloo.

I don't think you realize the extent of Mexico's problems. Mexicans in rural Mexico would gladly accept direct US rule because it'd give them rule of law, lower taxes and the ability to actually elect their lawmen (as is the case in America). Mexico's problem for the past century is that Mexicans themselves do not want Mexico to exist, but it's neighbor America does not want to annex it because Americans don't like Mexicans.

At the most basic level, the guns Mexicans own are legal in America but illegal in Mexico. Which is to say, American occupiers wouldn't be going door-to-door taking guns and taking the accused to labor camps as the Mexican army does when they decide to crack down. On the other end of this Mexicans would see their taxes cut by about half, and their tax money would be put into an organization (the US government) that would return more money into their provinces than they collect, using the proper 50 states to subsidize them. The opposite of the situation in Mexico where the rural areas subsidize the shitheap that is Mexico City.

And such is why the Mexican government isn't a democracy, if it was citizens would vote for it's total destruction.

Also to go point by point here, nearly all the groups you mentioned (the catholic church, the Mexican army, private mercenaries) would all benefit from US rule. The church would get First Amendment protections and less taxes, every Mexican solider would become an American solider meaning they'd get free healthcare and college, while the private cops already work for US companies. The only people who wouldn't benefit are local police who wouldn't be able to be as openly corrupt because Americans elect their police leaders (which also means they have to abide by financial disclosure laws for elections integrity) and Mexico's elites, who'd find themselves eaten alive by much richer American ones.

Which is how all the problems in Mexico form, local police make daily life hell by being corrupt while elites do as little intervention as plausible because they embezzle whatever tax money that isn't spent. This results in underpaid Mexican special forces starting their own cartels while American owned factories simply build their own armies instead of relying on local police. In the middle of this is the Mexican military itself, who is constantly being pulled in a million different directions. As it turns out, the directions that give them more power (PRI, Fox) are the ones who win elections.