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I should probably also state that I think market socialism, and planned economies are without a doubt better than capitalism. I figured this went without saying but idk

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Makhno outlaw all forms of currency?

Planned economy run by AI with as little input from local bureaucracy as possible.

Yeah, but it's very hard to effectively outlaw something with no official state to back things up. I'm sure Makhno would've made all money disappear successfully, assuming they didn't have a Russian SFSR breathing down their necks in 1921 haha

I see. That being said though, labour vouchers did function differently from regular money, so I guess Makhno just tried to work with what they had then.

Okay, lets say you have your social revolution. How do you build a tractor? Freely associating group A is made up of mechanics who think think that building tractors would be a super dandy way to increase grain yields. If there were some mechanism of centralized economic planning, a committee would decide how many tractors could be productively used, calculate the quantities of tractor components required, determine the equipment, resources, and labor necessary to produce those, and so on all the way back to figuring out how much iron, coal, and uranium to mine. In a market economy, if there were a production bottleneck, say a shortage of carburetors, then the price of carburetors would rise, incentivising people to produce carburetors (of course, there is always a bit of a lag on both ends with market pricing). In a gift economy, what do you do? The mechanics run out of carburetors, they call the carburetor free association, they don't have enough die casting machines to make more, they call the machine tool shop, but they don't have enough engineers to assemble and run any more equipment, so they call around trying to recruit engineers from other areas until a shortage develops in some other realm of production or they are forced to reduce the production of some other sort of industrial machinery, creating issues somewhere else. Everything becomes very difficult to sort out, and you end up with either bottlenecks popping up everywhere and as a consequence having shortages of everything with more than a step or two to it's production or with a variety of inputs, or you have to produce at a massive surplus every step of the way, and end up with tremendous waste of resources and time. A gift economy is all fine and well if you would be content to almost completely deindustrialize, but if working in the fields for 12 hours a day and then freezing in your little hut all winter doesn't seem like a good time then some sort of coordination is required.

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So there would be a shortage of workers in some section of the economy under a gift economy, but not under a planned economy?

There would be issues correctly allocating labor, raw materials, and intermediate products to meet consumer demand in both a gift economy and in a planned economy where planners reduce dimensional too much or use arbitrary value functions (see: the USSR after Khrushchev decided to compete with the west by producing consumer goods).

*dimensionality