Daily News Thread 4/6

I hate this country. Tribalist cesspool.

Brain hacking, freezing time & weaponized insects: Meet US military’s dystopian plans
“The brain is the next battlespace”
rt.com/usa/423412-us-military-darpa-tech/

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why has Trump giving these people courage to run

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*given

Welp, so much for muh fuhrst ammement Murrica.
What's the specific socially harmful act that's being criminalized here? Oh, right. I forgot that corporations are people and preventing them from doing whatever's necessary to maximise their profits, no matter what's sacrificed in exchange for said profits, is a violation of the NAP.
You'd think common trespassing laws and other shit like that would be enough for Porky and his goons to trample opposition against unpopular projects, but no. Gotta go full pseudo-fash.

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I'll just leave this PDF here.
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user nobody gives a fuck about farmers. Primaries haven't even started. Also they cancelled the straw poll as of 2015.

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Where all the Mexicans in that truck? They should at least let them stick their heads out the top otherwise that's a little inhumane don't you think?

Nice trillion-dolllar industry you've got there…it would be a shame if someone were to…wreck it

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fuck'em, tariffs won't hurt them but I wish they would

Oh no!!!! All my Industrial-aggro shares are now worthless!!! FUCK DRUMPF!

Nobody's going to "wreck" anything in America. All the agribiz companies know how to handle this, they'll just terminate some of their leases early and reduce production to ensure profits stay consistent. Meanwhile America is going to more or less wreck China's industrial manufacturing sector, about 25% of which is based solely on US-bound exports alone.

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someone's upset :)

yeah I'm upset that porky has already destroyed everything in America so an epic collapse is pretty much impossible here

not so with China

I had an entirely different idea as to what you meant. Sorry for being a brainlet.

is sarcasm lost on you?

Sometimes

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Things are different now, with so much consolidation the companies who actually do the "producing" can just reduce production. Prices stay constant as there is less food being put to market. This sort of control was impossible fifty years ago as there were too many private/family farms for such economic planning to exist.

That's not to say this doesn't have problems either. The original Dust Bowl happened because farmers went bankrupt and their lands went unmaintained, turning to dust and spawning the largest ecological disaster in American history. It would be very easy for careless corporate executives to repeat it as they move to reduce production.

user, read the article. There's a lot to unpack there. The guy was telling consultants that he'd take any position necessary to get elected, and he gave money to both Clinton and McCain in 2008. He outright admits that those donations were to buy access to them so that he could talk about policy with them.

Dude is fucking dirty.

I think monopoly is a factor in keeping prices up or at the very least stable but in the end it isn't enough in itself–as shown by the constant attempts to "reinflate" markets and stop deflation by capitalist governments.

Let's try a thought experiment: imagine that world agriculture was completely controlled by one firm. Now, also imagine that the world economy was in a boom period. If production is too lax and prices are too high then everyone will starve since no one will be able to buy Agricorps products, likewise people would start to develop their own food either for sale or personal consumtion–even if Agricorp owned all the productive arable land on earth. People might start renting out high-rises in urban areas to grow food or create farm flotillas off the coast-lines or clear waste-land and previously unprofitable/unproductive farmlands and make them into productive land.

So, Agricorp does have some incentive to keep prices within "reasonable bounds" even if lowering prices threatens its interests. Let's imagine there are two paths that agricorp can pursue 1. it can allow its prices to progressively rise in response to world demand instead of increasing production 2. it can increase production at stable or moderate price increases that the market can bear.

Scenario #1 will more rapidly undermine Agricorps monopoly and likely take down the world economy with it #2 will allow Agricorp to increase its profits without undermining its present profit-rate or the world economy on which it depends.

Let's imagine they adopt scenario #2 and the world economy chugs along until suddenly 'wtf theres a huge crash' now Agricorp has a massive surplus of production.

I know what you're thinking:

Not when the cost of entry is so high, thanks to Agricorp's ability to buy equipment, feed, fertilizer, transportation and fuel in bulk rates. This is where the economy-of-scale becomes their best weapon against competition, even if someone can finance their own farm they aren't going to be capable of financing a large enough operation that can get costs down to a point where they can be competitive with Agricorp. Also couple in all the proprietary GMO foods Agircorp owns, allowing them to save water and fertilizer while growing food out of their normal season, thereby increasing their production further and causing the base price to be lower and lower.

As it pertains to Chinese and American farms specifically, the latter has a large edge in better ecological planning and fertile lands while the former isn't as good at planning and doesn't have as much fertile land (at least land with sufficient water that isn't polluted).

Trey Gowdy says being in Congress was largely a waste of time

axios.com/trey-gowdy-the-only-purpose-of-the-republican-party-is-to-win-elections-1523010505-1f588526-3795-45d7-8148-1c8bc3521e06.html

I think this is the year red states realize that all of these tea party fucks are nothing but hucksters.

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no offense mate, but fuck off
youtube aren't censoring jackshit. If porky doesn't wanna pay you, he' not gonna pay you. For fuck's sake nobody is banned for aking controversial content And even that wouldn't be censorship. This new dumbarse aut-right wave of pure bullshit is getting on my nerves. Shut the fuck up, and stop making youtube videos if you're dissatisfied with the platform.

The problem with neural dust is mainly with the complexity of brain and dimensional ranges of this complexity.

Neurons have connections ranging mostly from milimeters to centimeters. In fact coordinated action goes most definitely in the order of centimeters.

Although the complexity regarding the semiconductor transistor density per square milimeter is really huge, Almost up to 100 000 000 mer mm2 [1]. Then you would have a problem in detecting multidimensional signals, then processing them and then injecting different multidimensional signals into the brain. AMD K6 has 8 800 000 transistors for comparison.

The point is, when you go further in analysis of the engineering difficulties, you encounter more and more of them. Given the complexity of brain and the correct marxist observation that human brain is so far the most complex ordering of matter that we know of, then the neural dust seems to be even more improbable than achieving nuclear fusion.

Considering that there are existing inhumane methods in the arsenal of MKULTRA that probably have been evaluated in scientific manner, and that probably utilize the fact that human brain also has chemical regulatory mechanisms, and already has learning mechanisms in place, no need for silicon dust to take over.

In fact utilizing existing brainwashing techniques of varying inhumane levels and combining then with electronic influence on chemical regulatory systems of the brain would yield better results, but the orders will have to be recorded with our senses.

[1] spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/processors/intel-now-packs-100-million-transistors-in-each-square-millimeter

When it comes to these scientific things, the general method to evaluate is outlined by the Electronics Engineer Dave Jones who has some good videos on the matter. While the complexity of things he debunks is small, he can easily do this on whiteboard in a didactical manner.

youtube.com/watch?v=4iEshd6izgk
youtube.com/watch?v=A8dqzVlhFkA

tl;dr: Law of the requisite variety, or just doing the seat of the pants estimates of complexity - number of neurons vs number of transistors, and evaluating the information transmission involved puts the outrageous ideas into perspective.

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It doesn't have to be beam complex thought patterns directly into your mind level to be useful for them. If they coud just get them to plant in the right places on the cortex and did some basic stimulation you could have an effective 24/7 on demand local RTMS programmable mood switcher. That is assuming the technology doesn't just give you brain tumors right away.

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Also forget the aerosolized part. It's way more scary but probably unnecesary because people/livestock are so whipped they'd line up to have it wittingly or unwittingly injected right into their bloodstream.

Well if there is a specific use to real time mood switching, then yes it is plausible technology. But same effect can be achieved with different chemicals, or chemical ejecting implants.

If I understand it correctly, a collective effects can be influenced with chemical regulation, as the moods are mostly dependent on general levels of neuronal excitation and dampening, both being tuned by chemicals.

Electrical signals have to be in patterns in time and space. Maybe the neural dust can expose whole brain to the time-varying electrical signals having the same global effect. And no chemicals would be necessary.

Thats surprisingly long by porky standards

American ag can cry bitch tears as China looks to Brazil to feed their country.

t. burger

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Fucking great. Now you'll get asprin 500s for broken legs and ibufrofen 1000s for bleeding eyeballs. I can't even get a decent pain pill for root canals anymore.

Why you getting so many root canals my doot?

Wtf I'm an AnPrim now.

Come home cannon man.

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AMID DAY'S PANIC OF TRADE WAR, TRUMP PROMISES EVEN MORE TARRIFS THAN HE DID BEFORE. CHINA RESPONDS, PROMISES EVEN MORE THAN TRUMP HAS PROMISED COMBINED

reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china/trump-threatens-more-china-tariffs-beijing-ready-to-hit-back-idUSKCN1HD0NW?il=0

OOF

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Everything is so fucked

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Donald "Trade wars are easy" Trump

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==CHINA HAS RESPONDED: "“China hasn’t grown up afraid” and “China will follow through to the end.”

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Tarriffs will only help American porkies at point. Whatever meager job growth they puke up in exchange will be enough to satisfy voters to vote for Trump again. Meanwhile China will see a quarter of their economy destroyed. This is what classcuckery looks like.

hahahahahahaha nigga are you this fucking naive? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You didn't even specify which market would fucking suffer under this, Jesus Christ

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A "Trade Wars are Easy" "This Are Ideal Negotiating Conditions" Non

I don't need to, because on the whole American businesses will either manipulate markets to maintain their current level of profits or actually grow slightly due to a lack of serious competition. Meanwhile Chinese firms will gradually loose access to the world's #1 market. There's no way China can win this trade war, a thing Trump knows hence why he fired the first shots.

Protectionism helps porkies if their country isn't at the top and the economy is getting rekt at international competition.

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Literal Oxford professors in the link telling you

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"Global growth would sour quickly, at least 2%"

Ok, you still haven't even specified which market you fucking think would negate most of the losses held. This just isn't a believable scenario at all, nobody is on the same page about this and you thinking after so many months of economic instability that a fucking trade war, OF THIS SIZE, would actually

"nah it wouldn't do much"

That's insane. Under such a scenario they're right, global growth would be cut.

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America can't just pretend to be sick to their mom over a fucking trade war, that's impossible

Oxford professors also thought Carillon was a stable business model. They don't know jack shit and their world is collapsing around them due to it's inherent contractions which they refused to address.

But as it pertains to American industry specifically: the people hurt the most will be massive agribusiness companies who'll simply downsize production and maintain the current amount of profits. Meanwhile US steel firms will see much more business, as will American semiconductor companies. Same for Japanese, Korean and Mexican companies. America's economic system can survive fine without China, it existed long before trade relations with them were normalized in 2000 and will continue long after Tariffs are put up. But modern China was built off the American consumer, and cannot survive without it.

Trump is going to just ask for even bigger tarrifs than that, and then China responds, and then he responds, and then

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Ok let me stop you there. No. That's not happening, under trade war scenario of this magnitude, in this current climate, Japan would suffer severely more than most other nations.

hahahaha no it can't

Nobody's pretending to be sick over anything, because there is no sickness in this particular market. Trump's doctrine is obvious: fuck over Chinese businesses so non-Chinese ones can prosper. It will work, even if the economy as a whole has a recession due to elites having to reorganize their investments while large urban cities have slightly more expensive iphones.

"No"

Yes there is lol.

It will actually not work and explode in his face rather quickly

The fuck are you talking about? Japan was granted an exemption to all this because they joined Trump's security agreement.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/377748-trump-says-hes-pushing-for-much-better-trade-deal-with-japan

Yes it can. Post one reason why it can't. China doesn't produce anything that can't be quickly produced elsewhere, such as Japan (electronics) or Mexico (plastics).

You lost me

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Why wouldn't it work? Porkies will just build new factories in Mexico and life will continue on for Americans who will continue getting their happy meal toys. In fact Mexico is directly encouraging this within the NAFTA reneogiatin since they want all Chinese auto parts, components and materials banned from not just America but the entire North American continent. This is not rocket science, it's injection molded plastics. As it pertains to electronics Japan is 10000000% on board with the tariffs because it means they don't have to worry about competing against the world's #2 economy.

Ok hypothetically?

Were Trump to start a trade war, the most immediate effects would probably be felt by companies like Walmart, which import billions of dollars of cheap goods that are bought mostly by the people who voted Trump into office. The prices on almost all of these items would quickly skyrocket beyond the reach of the lower economic brackets—not because of manufacturing costs, but because of the tariffs. The result would be an economic war of attrition that China is infinitely better positioned to win. Completely. America would end close second after burning everything down at the climax of such a scenario.

China’s foreign currency reserves now stand at more than $3 trillion. In contrast, the U.S. has foreign exchange reserves that hover at around $120 billion. Trump’s tariffs would automatically trigger penalties against the U.S. in the World Trade Organization (WTO), and might even lead to the WTO’s collapse, which would lead to higher tariffs against U.S. exports. While it might take a while for that to happen, the turmoil would be catastrophic for American business and employment. China, on the other hand, would emerge relatively unscathed. America would be covered in third degree burns.

It won't crash America (or Mexico, Canada, Japan, Korea, and Australia) into the ground. It'll crash the global economy into the ground though. But America and America's inner circle are well protected, because they're building their own protectionist racket.

Japan isn't exempt from the tariffs, btw.

I don't have to answer your question seriously because it presupposes the absolutely absurd, that America would end up having anything short of a pyrrhic victory

And all of it will collapse if you even get that far lmao

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So then Americans have to put off buying lawn chairs or microwaves for 6-12 months while production is moved to Mexico, so what? Americans will buy an American car instead, or maybe a larger Japanese TV.

That doesn't matter because even if Trump paid it all in one lump sum it doesn't do jack shit for the $22+ Trillion in corporate debt China's government owns through their state owned banks - banks who finance loans to businesses that export to America. America's Social Security Administration would issue the payout and based on current trends Beijing would wipe the money in about 3-6 months. As for the WTO, it's been on the chopping block since the TPP talks started in 2006. Nobody expects it to live, and it doesn't need to.

And here I thought reddit-spacing was just a meme

Steel tariffs, no. But yes for the electronics and plastics tariffs which cut much deeper into their economy and China's. This is the much larger battle the Commerce Dept has been waging, at this point the steel tariffs are largely symbolic since most countries have been applying them to China since 2015 for violating the WTO's antidumping rules.

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Mexico wouldn't accept to do that at all.

No it won't, it will definitely not. Nobody has the infrastructure to produce that China has made, and the prices would skyrocket

The other countries of the world would look past America to China to produce their goods, still. America getting over that would burn so much profit that in the end you might as well say you lost.

I'm not saying China wouldn't suffer.

I'm saying America is in quite literally no economic position, through infrastructure or otherwise, win a trade war against China economically.

It's just an unfeasible scenario you're presenting.

No, that doesn't make any sense at all. China has most of what it needs now, and what it doesn’t have it can easily obtain from vendors outside the U.S. While the American market looked enticing a few decades ago.

Why not? Easy money, and more business for the state oil company Pemex.

Produce what? Shitty knock offs of actual products. Every industrialized country has the capability to do what China does, especially Mexico. You seem to think that injection-molded plastics and shitty electronics can't be done outside of China cheaply, this is completely wrong.

I mean some of them kind of are

Ok, obtain what exactly? America's top imports to China are food and nuclear reactors both of whom China built before trade relations were normalized in 2000, before they joined the WTO, and before they opened up to Nixon. What China doesn't have is the demand American banks create through their credit cards. A demand that doesn't discriminate between a plastic lawn chair made in China or made in Mexico.

Because there's no reasonable not-in-doubt export America offers in return

You're thinking of America. America, has the manufacturing capacity to do that. China has invested into being a manufacturing power house. If you were talking several decades ago, your scenario would make somewhat sense. Today? Total nonsense, America is not the export, manufacturing hub it used to be.

The world would simply look beyond America for a multitude of goods, much of it going to China, what it can't to other nations. America would have to play keep up at the pace a trade war provides.

It makes absolutely 0 sense that America would win a trade war. It simply would crash and burn

Oh such a stable fucking export as US banking

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Trump himself isn’t in porky’s pocket imo, he just listens to the voices in his head.

What the fuck, yes he is

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trump IS porky

Yes, by making shitty knock offs of existing Japanese and American products. Meanwhile it's America and Japan with all the smallest chip fabs and aircraft autoclaves, things China doesn't have because China can't just copy them. It's also America with the self-driving tractors and America with the fracking, not China.

The world already looks beyond America for goods, hence why America's economy is not export-driven and has not been since the 1960s. Are you fucking retarded?

oh no, I didn't claim that. Banking has already destroyed America, there is just not much left to further destroy. However what remains is still focused primarily on supplying American consumers with cheap crap that gets them using their credit cards and giving the bank money through interest. To this end, China's role in the US economy is just as easily taken by Mexico or any other country that can do plastics.

What existing American products? China makes America's products. There isn't a market in America that the US doesn't ship out to China.

The United States has absolutely LITTLE to offer the rest of the world if the choice is America or China. China and other nations would simply look elsewhere, this isn't a scenario that would play out in actuality today.

I know. It isn't. China is.

What could America offer Mexico to fit that role right now. Where is the infrastructure besides banking, where are the long term profits, who is building the manufacturing base America lost to offer an alternative to Mexico in exchange

A trade war would simply knee cap America

In a trade war scenario extreme enough, America would simply be reduced at a national level to a second Detroit

Semiconductors and semiconductor components. Exactly what Trump targeted first six months ago.

No, the US has one massive card: American consumers. Access to that is worth over $500 billion dollars to China per year alone through direct trade, by comparison America's exposure to the Chinese economy is only $100 billion.

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At least $500 billion in new business, about 50% of Mexico's current GDP. Much of this business would require petrolchemicals supplied by their state oil company.

Owned by American companies, that was the point of NAFTA. Except the state oil company.

always using double line breaks is exactly what reddit-spacing is. It even decrease readability because it breaks up connected parts of your post. just compare to

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America can't rely on just fucking semi conductors that's retarded.

Also you're forgetting that China has the geopolitical upper hand over America at this point. Start a trade war? China could simply stop complying with a multitude of different hair trigger issues at the moment.

They could, feasibly, stop agreeing with the US over North Korea. The bargaining position the US has? 0 less than none.

Reddit spacing should only be used to break up long posts so they don't appear as blocks of text, or to better format things. I agree that it shouldn't be used to space out connected pieces of the message.