Hungarian elections (ongoing)

Actually turns out this is the highest turnout at this in the last 20 years.

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honestly, this is fucking ridiculous

hogyan szavaztál, nigger?

I am honestly surprised this many people are showing up, is it some last ditch attempt to get rid of Orban or what?

Not necessarily. Many are mobilized by Fidesz's propaganda. From a Marxist perspective, ofc, it all means that they substitute our real problems (EU imperialism, wage slavery, etc.) with xenophobia and fear.

2 days ago I had the chance to talk with a group (6 ppl) of deaf people. I asked them "So, how will you vote?", they responded: "Fidesz, naturally, we need to get rid of immigrants…" There are reports of gipsies (main minority in Hungary) voting for Fidesz as well for similar reasons. People oppressed view themselves as "above" those "others" and feel emancipated.

People with obviously difficult and precarious backgrounds view anti-immigrationism as a kind of pseudo-egalitarianism: "If I, an obvious sufferer of the current system can blame people under me on the social ladder, I'm elevated on said ladder"…

So hold your horses before you conclude that the opposition must win.

unsage

No, I'm not Hungarian (I just follow politics like people follow football).

Interesting, this is the post-communist "budapest effect" in full swing. One other question, do you think Orban will actually leave the EU? What does he think about NATO too, considering his friendliness with Putin. .

Mass held for "Orbán"
TL;DR: Several people left the temple when the priest from the parish spoke favorably of the ruling coalition under the christian mass.
(Hungarian article) hvg.hu/itthon/20180408_A_szavazok_megereztek_a_valasztas_tetjet_1317_os_reszveteli_arany_9_orakor__percrol_percre/pp/68103

Opposite, this is all the racists of Hungary coming out of the woodwork to vote for their nazi leader. Fuck Hungary.

t. Romanian

That is kinda kek.

I'm not familiar with this expression. Care to elaborate?

Absolutely NOT. Orbán's EU coalition includes Merkel's party. Fidesz has been an "inside critic" of the EU status quo. They are in no way interested or motivated to leave the EU. The state, bureaucratic, and beneficiary apparatus behind Fidesz LARGELY benefits from EU funds, meaning that they redistribute it to friends. In no way is Fidesz anti-EU, no matter what the liberal media tells us!

Nothing. They accept it as a necessity.

This is a bullshit liberal talking point, in all honesty: "anyone who holds trade relations with Russia must be a Putin puppet." This is not to say that I agree with their trade policies. For instance, their "Paks nuclear power plant upgrade" project with Russia is obviously another way to funnel money to their people…

Are you a Marxists/anarchist? If not, please, stop posting. If so, please reconsider the meaning of your words. People are not "racists" in Hungary any more than people are racists in Kazakhstan. They were fed a heavy dosage of xenophobic propaganda that ultimately tries to make sympathetic the ruling coalition by painting them as freedom fighters against the "Soros ruled" world. (Have you read OP, btw?)

Are you daft? In what meaningful sense is Fidesz (or the cute-ifyied Jobbik) a nazi party?!

In any case, you stupid cunt, the peoples of Eastern-Europe are in no way divided on ethnic grounds in economic terms. Sure, politically our leaders do everything to make us feel like that, but the reality is that we are divided by arbitrary boarders that separate the Romanian proletariat from the Hungarians. Pic very much related.

It's a recurring sight. The fucking church is all up in the conservative's anus. Meanwhile the catholic pope is arguing for solidarity with the immigrants. The Hungarian church, ofc, goes directly against his message.

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Hungary has the highest approval for its former M-L regime, yet it translates to either massive political anti-communism or people voting for right-wingers. Same going with Putin, AfD in the east et al.

Ok, now I see what you were trying to communicate. (Pic related.) I'd advise you against calling it the "Budapest effect" for the simple reason that most of the capital's inhabitants are (quite naturally) liberals. A better way to call it would be "The Goulash Effect" [TGE]. The funny thing is that pic related's trend continues beyond people who have actually lived under the Kádár regime. The youth of today actually understand (probably thru their parents' recollections) that it was objectively better before the regime change…

This is in no way representative. Many right wingers share the "Kádár nostalgia" whether they acknowledge it or not; many liberals want a world that actually mirrors the pre-system change regime, without them knowing…

"Anti-communism" is mostly a media-phenomenon, a kind of enforced consensus of liberals and conservatives. If a commie goes on to national TV, the first questions he'll receive is about muh gillions killed… Meanwhile, the population (old and young) is largely sympathetic towards "20th century actually existing socialism"…

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Record participation.

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Turnout at 1PM 42%, it was 34% in 2014.
Fucking hell everyone is showing-up today aren't they?

People are polarized: some turn out for their support against the "anti-Soros/anti-immigrant" rhetoric, some against the system that espouses this shit…

This might turn out much, much more interesting than anticipated.

vannak itten matyar gecik? ha igen, hotyan szavaztatok, elvtársok?

Common pol/sci wisdom is that high-turnout favours the "anti-establishment candidate", however this becomes more tricky since if the EU is seen as the establishment, maybe Orban is the anti-establishment candidate. Regardless, this is going to be interesting.

I agree.

the real problem is with commies being pussies about it
just tell the moderator that those weren't enough and if we are elected we'll make sure that his and his collegues names will be on the expanded list of "victims of communism" if he doesn't watch his mouth
before then continuing with making legitimate arguments for communism etc.
there's no need to be apologetic or to even adress this shit and people actually like when you mock this shit talk and come full force back

Well, yeah, basically. In a recent interview Attila Vajnai (Munkáspárt 2006 – the party that has separated from the "classical" Kádár-nostalgic party; basically an EU-com party) was faced with the following starting line: >muh 99 trillions, to which he responded with the (rather lukewarm position of) Christinaity killed x million thru the crusades. A rather idiotic response, if you ask me, since capitalism objectvively "kills" more people/year than communism ever did…

lel, tru. Tho if being invited to a debate you should position yourself as a communist against the "media person" on the side of the workers…

Depends, but generally, with the working populace, yes.

munkáspárt all day praise Kádár
viccen kívül, volt egy aránylag normális független a körzetemben, rá szavaztam. Asszem az MSZP, az Együtt meg a DK is őt nyomta. Listán meg pár másodperc könnyezés után rányomtam az ikszet az LMP-re. De minden párt szar. Szomorú az egész

Orbán isn't anti-establishment. He isn't pro-establishment either. He IS the establishment. Most of his voters were old fucks anyways, a bunch of them simply died out since 2010, and a lot more people became disillusioned with the guy over the last 8 years. Although in my opinion the outcome is already somewhat obvious. FIDESZ will just form a coalition with Jobbik (the other reactionary party) and eat them up like they did with the Christian Democrats and the Independent Farmer's Party.

Àtok

twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/982961670476718080
Thoughts?

I bet Soros is behind that

can't say much, other than I'm reall surprised. You can vote until 19:00 so maybe some counties will reach 50%+. Although I highly doubt any drastic change will take place

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delicious

Turnout at 15:00 53%, it was 45% in 2014. This would be considered an earthquake in western europe.

szerintem kommunista nem szavaz per definitionem
Hear, hear!

és szenvedés

Soros is behind Soros. Soros is a multi-dimensional lizard who is behind all conspiracies behind all conspiracies.

Nem mondod, h magyarként ezt a kibaszott bookchin mémet tolod, te szerencsétlen?

Exactly. IMO we are going to go above 70%.

72-76% is the figure I have seen bandied about.

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POLICE REINFORCEMENT FROM RURAL AREAS TO THE CAPITAL (BUDAPEST) HAS BEEN ORDERED

This hasn't happened since 2006!

So being a Literal walking caricature for libs Cons and Centrists to shit on a demonize and be used to demonize the whole Socialist movement is good Praxis to you?
I guess being ultra edgy is good Praxis
Like just look the Russian commie Party and all these West Euro ML sects
Holding up pictures of Stalin have gone so far?

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You have to understand that in the eastern european and russian canon soros destroyed their states.
Which is not a lie, people like soros are the one that funded """"civil freedom and liberation"""" movements and brought down the eastern block.
People say soros because he's the most famous one and because of anti semitism ecc.
Soros is the face of those billonaries that shape modern day society through liberal idpol movements.
There is truth to the statment that most of these are jews, because there is truth to the statment that a lot of the elite is jewish- problem comes when instead of thinking of them as billionaries, people start think of them as jews.

Btw Tanks are outdated, North Korea won't collapse (if it will) with a war. War make arm dealers and military industrial complex rich, but it does damage to public image and makes the interested countries even more against whatever force just invaded them, liberalism instead is the new force that destroy nations, movements and goverments.
What worries me about north korea is the narrative of "they are people like us. We need to respect them, it's just the goverment that is big and bad" of the MSM, again. not with tanks but with mcdonalds, consumerism, lgbt and all those liberals hallmarks.

What, to police polling stations or what?

Hey you autist, so you even know how much is Orbán scapegoating Soros? Hungarian government literally use state funding for trying to blame Soros for fuckon of stuff. I said Soros is behind Orban’s downfall just as le totally not Orbán meme, not to start serious debate about him.

No. From the country to the capital. This hasn't happened since 2006 ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_protests_in_Hungary )

And you have to understand, you faggot, that Soros has been behind Orbán and Poland, etc. Read OP, ffs.

Capitalism is the face of capitalism. Everything else is obfuscation. Either understand how capitalism works, or get the fuck out from here.

Except Jeff Bezos, the richest person on Earth, you cunt.

wew

No, from the country to the capital. This hasn't happened since 2006: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_protests_in_Hungary

>No, from the country to the capital. This hasn't happened since 2006: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_protests_in_Hungary
HOLY SHIT

From the Hungarian article, TL;DR:
444.hu/2018/04/08/az-m7-esen-es-az-m3-ason-is-a-fovaros-fele-tarto-keszenleti-rendoroket-lattak

Wonder if we will see reports on this…

Yes because Orban is an ebul Putin puppet, also a racist (that is probs true tbf).

OOoohhh bboooiiii.
This is why I love leftypol, you know shit is going on before everyone else does.

How can we exploit that? It seems like we could bring our people more together for the cost of being anti-eu after hundreds of years of war? Hell, we might take even Austrians with us.

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This. Fuck the EU. They live on sucking the blood of peripheral members.

B-but muh Erasmus

When did I ever stated the contrary? I was just saying that Soros is an anti communist and one of the key figures behind the fall of the eastern block. He funded liberation movements
You don't understand idioms do you? Soros is the most famous one so he's the face in a figutative sense. He rappredents that.
So what? There a lot of jewish billionare and in position of powers. Read better this time. I specifically said that these people are bad because they billionaire not because they are jews.
More like "wew I really just made a fool of myself because I wanted to TROLL EPIC STYLE Zig ForumsREDDIT"
I'm sick and fucking tired of redditors like you who are more worried to btfo Zig Forums than make arguments. This is no different from turning point usa wearing diapers. Plus is not that I said that I'd rather have Koch brothers than soros. I'm just saying that people like soros use different type of psyop compared to others. One it's not worse than the other, but I understand the hate in ex socialist countries for him, obviously there is an anti semitic component into this too.

It's not like a /liberty/ tier faggot like you would even understand tho.

Marxists don't talk in the figurative. We talk in systemics. Still, kys.

Again, record numbers.

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At this point in 2014, it was 57%.

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My gott, hungary might hit 70%. Higher participation can be found only in crucial Russian army controlled regions easily getting 120% participants

kys

Kys

ok

I love how "racist" has become synonymous with "strict immigration and border policies"

"Immigration policies" being the tear gassing of refugees fleeing from imperialist warmongering who don't even want to stay in Hungary but move through it.

Yeah but that's not it. Corbyn get called racist because he said he didn't want uncrolled and unlimited torrents of cheap workers into england

No shit how is this relevant? I called him racist because he teargassed a load of refugees for being brown.

What I meant to say was that in this case is true, but usually it isn't

AGAIN, HOW IS THIS RELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION,
Impolite sage.

Budapest district: one hour before closing, 100m+ long queue.

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Fuck me man, they're gonna let people vote past the deadline, right?
Also when should we expect results proper? I have a feeling the exist polls won't be right…

There is something very wrong with your election management

Did not want to sage

Well consider FIDEZ considered they would win this without challenge I imagine this is quite a shock to have people voting.

Yes. Last time (2014) they introduced an official "closure line" behind several queues, meaning that if you arrived at 1 minute till closure you got to vote (and they still had to wait around 30 minutes) and if you arrived past 1 minute you were sent away. What a wonderful country.

Counting starts after 17:00 PM (GMT). They might postpone it if there are multiple post-closure queues… We have no exitpolls.

No shit, sherlock. Read OP.

There's literally nothing wrong with tear gassing "refugees" or other uninvited elements

lel

report & sage

azért nyomtam a függetlent, mert a helyi FIDESZes egy fasz volt. Döglődik a város mert minden pénzt kiszipolyoznak, ez a geci meg a kisujját se mozdította. És mivel édesanyám tanár, és már így is sorra zárják be a sulikat, mert nemes egyszerűséggel nincs pénz, úgy, éreztem hogy nem akarom megvárni amíg az ő iskoláját is bezárják. Igen, a fószer csak egy vajaskenyér szintű liberális, mint minden egyes ellenzéki politikus, de ezen a ponton ő is jobb.

I mean, if they were americans I would agree with you.

Átérzem a személyes fájdalmadat és az igazságérzetet csorbulásából osztozom. De ha mi, Marxisták, nem vagyunk képesek átlátni ezen a cirkuszon, akkor senki sem. Itt vagy forradalom, vagy lófasz, elvtárs. Ne dőlj be a libsi anti-orbán hisztinek. Igen, ez egy kurvára borzasztó rendszer, de baszki, nem lesz gyökeresen megváltoztatva, csak forradalommal. Szóval, plz, olvass elméletet, higgadj le, és szereződj. csírz

STOP SPEAKING FINNO-TURKIC

nigger, you think they wanna come HERE? lmao this country is on the same level as the shithole they're fleeing from.

tudom hogy nem változtat semmit. Szarul is érzem magam miatta, nyugi. Szervezkeződni is próbáltam már, de vidéken elég nehéz.

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No, I won't. Fuck you. Also fuck my country
Do you think I or any else give a fuck about that? Literally nobody cared about Soros till Orbán's autism kicked in and started plaguing the country with his retarded propaganda.
Do you know how does it feel to wake up every morning, go to work/school/anywhere people go and see a poster in the bus stop saying MUH SOROS MUH IMMIGRANTS?
Well, to me the first time it was pretty fucking funny. Then the whole thing just went on and on… it became harder and harder to bare. Nowadays I am at the point where every single time I reach the shitty bus stop, fucking Orbán jumps out of the trash can and shouts "HEY KID DO YOU KNOW THAT SOROS IS OUT THERE TO GET YOU AND IS CURRENTLY PREPARING TO SEND HIS ARMY OF BROWN PEOPLE AND LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE OPPOSITION MEMBER AGAINST HUNGARY??!!
Also obviously nobody is saying that Soros is a bad guy for helping to bring down socialism. People either try pretend Soros didn't do all that shit during the system change or just don't take an interest in scapegoating him.

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Turnout at 18:30, 68%, in 2014 it was 60%.
For reference, this is higher than all elections from and including 2006; and we're not even finished yet.

vidék, hol?

twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/983036104348766209
Nothing to see here just actual evidence of FIDEZ literally buying votes.

Amúgy lol, s átérzem.

köszi

i'd wonder if you're just pretending to be retarded if i didn't know better that people with your caliber of retardation are actually a thing

stop it stalinstache you are embarrassing yourself

don't you have some NATO cock to suck on, market "socialist" little faggot?

Kek, google Kadarism.

google gulag

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It’s actually ugro-finnish language family, while hungarian, just as mongolian, belong to Ugric part.

t.
Slovakian trying hard to get rid himself from reactionary hatred of Hungarians

Oh I know my west-slavic friend, just making a turanist meme.
On an unrelated note, what is this about mass protests in Slovakia over the journo death and corruption? Anything to see or will it end like every East Euro "anti-corruption protest movement"?

This made me laugh.

Slovakian? M8 i'd love to live there. I'm coming there as soon as my boss dumps me. I'm half chinese tho, is that a problem for you guys? I want to larp as a slav and have slovak qt

444.hu/2018/04/08/arabnak-oltozott-ferfiak-jartak-eger-belvarosat
It seems that in one of the major cities a couple of people in weird were seen on this day talking about blowing shit up in fluent Hungarian.

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