Can a central planning economy works today using computers and facebook data mining?
Isn't the problem of a central planning economy just gathering of data?
Can a central planning economy works today using computers and facebook data mining?
Isn't the problem of a central planning economy just gathering of data?
and then the processing of it.
And also having enough flexibility to fit the needs and wants of the population.
Yes, and someone has written how to do this:
ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu
GOOGLE COCKSHOTT
That's why you've got labor vouchers, black markets with labor vouchers can only exist with bartering, but people won't need to barter because weed is legal and every consumer good is available in abundance. If there's no reason to go to the black market people won't go there.
whats the difference between labor vouchers and money
no we have threads about it fucking crashing as we speak dummy
Labor vouchers do not circulate.
I think that there is a major problem with central planning- there simply may be too much information, in addition to behaviour that cannot be simply predicted. Of course, there is one more thing- lack of competition. In market economy, private entrepreneurs compete with each other, so they must find a way to increase productivity and make better products for lower price (the main tool for capitalist here is firing workers or cutting their pay though). In central planned economy there is no such thing- the economic planner appoints quotas on each product, based on information he gathered from below. Lack of competition may be troubling- as seen in Soviet Union, state owned enterprises weren't that productive, managers often lied that they produced more than they did in reality in order to gain bonuses- because of lack of proper information there were too many people in some jobs (In Poland this phenomenon was so ridiculous that there was a saying in Polish People's Republic "no matter if you sit or stand, you'll get 2000 zlotys").
stop trying making central planning work
stop failing at understanding central planning
Central planning works in general, capitalist or communist
Cockshott mentioned, skipping now irrelevant data-entries
Yes. Oskar R. Lange wrote of this topic in detail in, among others, his 1970 book "Introduction to Economic Cybernetics". He stated on the basis of studies by other scientists, such as N. Wiener, that "social end economic processes can be treated similarly" when it comes to cybernetic self-regulation.
Since cybernetics as a science is focused generally on automated control and feedback, the ability to observe cause-effect patterns relevant to the process is in absolute focus. Consequently, in the economic sphere, the ability to map consumption, such as following the sales of products (which is already an extensively digitized process), and production (also heavily mapped) is key.
However, because there is always a delay between altering production levels and said alteration showing up on the consuming ends shelves in in their inventories, and vice-versa, (because of logistics, adapting supply, etc.) predictions and forecasts about production and consumption are decisive when it comes to adjusting and adapting these elements. This front, however, has already been conquered to some degree by major businesses. Adjusting production and organizing availability on educated guesses and on precise analysis of patterns is a common occurrence now-days. Computers are dime-a-dozen things.
Current-day business forecasts have one major flaw: Competition. Businesses do not share their data with one another.
While a clothing-chain for example might have accurate information about production and demand within their own branch, they must guess, probe and estimate to an wide extent to get some grasp of the larger picture. They do not know with much certainty what their competitors are up to. Therefore their predictions are often inaccurate and take too long to compose to provide anything near as dynamic as a cybernetic system.
A common rule of thumb when it comes to statistic and predictions, is that the more data you have to begin with, the more accurate your final results will become. Therefore one can assume that a networked economy, where all productive and consuming elements communicate openly of their capabilities and needs, would be dramatically more accurate than our current guesswork-patched cloak-and-dagger setup. Using social media algorithms would not necessarily be required, but they'd certainly help in improving accuracy and predicting fads and such alike (even tough I'm personally quite negatively inclined towards such tools, as I see them as borderline spying).
This cybernetic economy could be easily organized in any manner. It could be centralized, or it could be distributed. Hell, we're already currently living in a distributed economical organization. You'd just need to co-operatize the businesses, and connect the dots, their internal data-sources, with one another. Naturally there's the case of creating compatible data-systems and providing all parties with the necessary hardware, skill and suitable organizational structure to utilize this concept, but that's another long story in it self.
In this latter case it wouldn't qualify as "central planning", but the end result when it comes to productivity would be largely the same in the general sense, even though no central authority would, both in the good and bad sense, be able of directly dictating or directing societal economy.
literally read cockshott, his model includes the competition of production facilities according to amount of product/labour time, and they can't cheat by lying because the planners know the probablilty that your current equipment yields a certain amount of product, they also can compare you with other facilities with the same tecnology, if the probability of your current product amount is too low, or if you misteriously make more product than the facilities with your same tecnology, then the goverment can simply schedule a visit
Yes, but facebook is useless.
Read TANS
Get out.
This is not an anarcho-primitivist board
The problem with incentives to lie about work performed as a refutation of central planning has 2 problems. 1, the USSR maintained ruble wages, and as such retained the money form, labour vouchers are non-transferrable and non-circulatory; they are not money, and are allocated based upon labour performed measured against your quota based on SNLT, you don't get "bonus" labour vouchers unless you literally perform more labour and as such produce more (although voucher multipliers, and getting "more vouchers" because you complete your allocated work for the day in less time than neccessary are things which could be implemented which incentivizes skilled workers in their particular field), which leads onto point 2, being that technology is a hell of a lot more advanced than it was then and there will essentially be 0 way for bureacrats & managers to cheat the systems in place because they won't have direct administrative control over the system used to determine labour done therefore forfeiting work done will be incredibly difficult.
Sorry, but how exactly can you compute the socially necessary labour input of each worker? I thought that the SNLT can only be determined after the event and is thus inaccessible to forward planning. Does Cockshott answer this question?
Labour vouchers always have a fixed value representing an amount of labour time. The value does not change depending on supply.
thered be no need for the social media snooping the advertising industry lives on, since you dont need to try to manipulate people into buying anything for the sake of profit.
all youd need is, like you said, to know what gets produced and consumed.
Gotta keep people happy I guess.