I'm going to watch this video, just to see how vomit inducing it it.
Also, you guys please post the most blatant capitalist propaganda you can find. I really want to try to understand why people actually like this crap.
Capitalist Propaganda
Isaiah Hernandez
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Brayden Watson
I, too, engage in masochistic tendencies from time to time, user.
Evan Watson
I haven't seen the video. But the idea that people who are low-income earners to begin with are magically going to escape poverty by saving more of their money is absolutely absurd.
If you are a minimum wage earner and you buy modest clothing instead of expensive, you have more money for groceries, health care and the important things. But you are still going to be fundamentally poor.
And good luck at the notion of being able to save up in order to start your own business if you are making under $30,000 per year before taxes to begin with.
Republicans have this idea in their head that it is cheap to start your own business because they point to some anecdotal evidence of someone who started a business out of almost nothing and then grew it into an empire.
Thomas Jackson
As someone who is self-employed myself, I got my start by wage cucking while living at home and saving most of my paycheque. And then I invested my savings towards my business and it has been working out thus far.
If it wasn't for the fact that my dad was making good money and has a lot of disposable income and didn't want to kick me out on the street, I would have never had "made it". And I still haven't "made it" in my mind yet as I am not set for life financially yet.
What difference does it make if you are a cuck to market forces (petit-bourgeoisie) vs. a wage cuck? Lots of petit-bourgeoisie people have to work hard and long hours to make shit pay. It's not unusual for bar owners to make less than their bartenders. Bartenders can make a lot of money in tips. After the liberals hiked up the minimum wage, bar and restaurant owners are freaking out because they were already working 90 hours per week to make $50,000-60,000 per year. And now they have to pay their staff 20% more in my province. Many small businesses are already going out of business or cutting jobs.
Running a business is not easy street. Republicans need to quit with this American Dream shit. And similarly, leftists need to realize that even owners of the means of production can get cucked by market forces as well.
Blake Taylor
At this point a new business is almost impossible to start up unless it's so niche that your best hope is very slight profits until a simular store opens up. Can you honestly name ten towns you know of, with a population over a thousand people, without a Walmart/McDonalds/Lowes? (Assuming you're American of coarse) The only small businesses in my town are a halal deli, comic shop, and a cafe. For every one business that actually grows there's tens that are barely surviving and hundreds that shut down leaving the owner in immense debt. At this rate a majority of the 1% is losing money to the top one percent of the one percent.
Leo Hall
youtube.com
Seems like self help/ideology driven inspire piece about spending less and making poor people look stupid.
Dominic Williams
oh no I remember this video
pure horseshit
Michael Johnson
I live in the burbs and in the strip malls here it's mostly large chains. It's hard for small businesses to stay in business.
I'm self-employed as well. No employees. I had a woman who actually begged me for a job. She wanted to be my secretary. And I told her that I wasn't hiring. Because I don't think it would make economic sense for my business to pay her a downside guarantee for her time ($14CAD/hr is the minimum wage) and then have to follow all the labour regulations. When I'd rather take my chances trying to do everything myself. Even if it means losing out on some business because I can't be available 24/7.
In Zig Forums world, I did the right thing by not "exploiting" her.
In the real world, she probably hates me for not giving her a job.
William Barnes
She probably does, but in reality as you said, the government's regulations tend to be in favor of large businesses with their sole stability in mind. After all, you can't influence the government unless you have some sort of asset which benefits them, and you're too small for that. If you hired her, she'd just lose her job soon anyway.
Adrian Gray
It would seriously stress me out knowing that I had to pay her $112 CAD/day for 8 hours work no matter what. And then pay payroll taxes and whatever the fuck.
If I hired her as an independent contractor, maybe I could legally get away with giving her a lower downside guarantee. This is how a lot of businesses get around the labour laws.
At any rate, I still don't feel comfortable with the idea. Because it is more headaches. And I have to see a return on my investment in her.
The Liberal government here in Ontario does things with the stated intention to help the working poor. Meanwhile a lot of working poor people here are getting laid off or having their hours cut. And the unemployed who had trouble finding a job before are having even more trouble getting a job now.
I was actually chronically unemployed before I started my business. I created my own job in part because no one was gonna hire me anyways and I had some capital.
Starting my own crypto brokerage (I am not licensed or any of that shit, I literally operate out of my dad's basement. crypto is unregulated) has actually made me more employable. I actually have a job offer from a crypto exchange because I know the owner. But I haven't accepted. I'm accustomed to my present lifestyle. I have thought about working for him on a part-time basis remotely. My first preference would be actually to be to run my own exchange. But you need a lot of capital to accomplish this and employees. I would need to incorporate in some Caribbean island country like Curacao and hire Pajeet independent contractors to make it work maybe. But then I have to trust that my employees weren't gonna fuck me and steal my bitcoins or anything like that. I can't just run an exchange all by myself.
Petit-bourgeoisie live in a precarious situation under capitalism.
I am under no delusion that capitalism is wonderful. As a crypto day trader and broker, if I make a bet and the whales (the people who have a lot more money than me) decide to bet the other way, I get fucked. Because they have far more leverage than I do.
When people say that day trading is not gambling and is 100% science, I say they are full of shit. If the technical analysis on bitcoin is bearish for example and I decide to sell bitcoin (I do not short-sell because this is very risky), some whale (porky) can just randomly decide to "buy the dip" and wreck my shit. If the technical analysis is bullish and I decide to buy bitcoin, some whale can decide to take profit and dump on me. And buying the dip can backfire on you because the whales can push the price down even further. As we have seen with bitcoin's fall from $20k to $7k.
Luis Wright
A lot of my fellow petit-bourgeoisie have dreams of becoming rich (as do I). I want to become bourgeoisie for self-preservation purposes. I know that if you want to be financially independent under capitalism, you need to be top of the food chain (not necessarily the very top but you know what I mean).
If I manage to make a couple million speculating on magic internet money, I'm going to retire and live the NEET hikikomori lifestyle. My entire motivation is to escape the rat race.
There aren't any really viable alternatives. Leftists who strive towards economic justice have absolutely zero influence on their society, let alone public policy. The only bone that porky is willing to give the left is the SJW stuff. Porky wants to be "inclusive" because he doesn't want to alienate any customers. Porky wants everyone, white, black, brown, etc. to be consuming his goods and services. So Porky has allowed SJWs to run rampant in society.
As a MGTOW I can't say anything that is seen as misogynist without getting fired somewhere (assuming I was still a wage cuck) because women make up 51% of the population and corporations want to be inclusive towards women because they don't want to lose out on that revenue from them.
The reason why a lot of young white men in chan culture are reactionaries today is that their own real exposure to "leftists" in day-to-day life is SJWs. Zig Forums has absolutely zero influence on economic policy whatsoever. But SJWs have influence on the day-to-day lives of many people. Because they socially ostracize and ruin everyone who doesn't think like them. And then people wonder why a lot of angry white men are joining the far-right/alt-right. Because they see it as contrarian from the squeaky clean SJW sterilized status quo. Even though Donald Trump himself is establishment himself. The fact that he says things that triggers the SJWs and he's not afraid to ruffle feathers (whereas every other Republican and corporation carefully crafts their message to make sure they don't offend anyone) is the reason why 4chan thinks Trump is their guy.
Gavin Collins
ngl, but a much better title would have been
"What separates slighty richer over slightly poorer"
I like how they never specify which occupation they have.
Sebastian Johnson
the audiobook advertisement is amazing
Connor Parker
Here is a anti-communist propaganda video thinking communists can't innovate ignoring the USSR beat the USA into space and built the first nuclear reactor for power generation oh and Khrushchev flew in the largest airliner (TU-114) at the time when he visited the USA.
Colton Gonzalez
Caleb Myers
wtf that's literally what capitalism is as a proletarian
you are not entitled to the product of your labor, only the wage porky agrees to give you
Brayden White
hahaha
just watch it, it's "targeted" towards communists but it's just a pro-capitalist propaganda video about MUH 100 BILLION
Joshua Watson
Thise e trade commercials seem pretty propaganda'e
Brayden Lewis
LOL, they risk it all, to perhaps, gasp, become a normal worker again! Truly a plight for the ages. I can see my masterpiece now, my star, Billy Business, and his tale of despair as he goes from business owner to worker!
Fuck off loser.
Even more apologism later in the thread! Gross.
Jace Collins
NATURE
Jacob Lopez
That reminds me of this porky video telling themselves they are hardworking
Easton Bailey
How ironic coming from a commie cuck who whines about not owning the means of production. Meanwhile if you actually owned a small business, you'd be clamoring back for your old wage cuck job.
Kayden Howard
It's amusing for people who have never run a business in their life to have this irrational hatred for the petit-bourgeoisie.
Would you rather trade places with the bar/restaurant owner? I don't think so. You'd rather be the "exploited" waiter making minimum wage guaranteed plus tips than getting cucked by market forces and having to take actual real responsibility
Isaiah Cooper
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE PETIT-BOURGEOISIE
WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Jackson Brooks
You're the biggest fucking bitch on the planet. WHHHA WHHHA you're not paying me more. Then go own the means of production faggot.
Mason Peterson
He seems alone, just walking around fancy places.
Hudson Myers
Id rather democratize the work place so decisions are made collectively, rather than have a glorified middle.
Jason Gonzalez
*middle man
Evan Hughes
That’s kind of the goal, dum dum
Eli Barnes
Hows the bitcoin investments going?
Aaron Ramirez
If you really want a worker co-op run bar and get cucked by market forces and regulations, good luck.
Bar owners are putting in 90 hour work weeks making $50,000-60,000 per year. If you really want to share that responsibility, go knock yourself out.
Nathan Hughes
Matthew Brown
I invested in crypto early. I made high five figures in profit. At one point I made almost $200k in profit before the bear market pull-back. You are a fucking loser wage cuck who will never amount to anything. All you do is whine about how the bourgeoisie have everything. Have fun demanding minimum wage hikes and seeing your labour hours getting cut and ending up unemployed. My guess is you are an unemployed student who hasn't joined the real world yet.
Michael Nelson
You really think that you can just transition from a market economy to no market at all in a world of 7.6 billion people? Really? How fucking naive are you?
Noah Taylor
It’s been done before, could be done again. If we’re talking about reaching a point where global revolution is possible, then why the hell not?
William Davis
ok faggot, then if you're so against market forces then you'd surely support communists in their struggle against capitalism, ie the reproduction of those very market forces? no, you're just going to whine about how commies make you feel bad. why would you choose this as your hill to die on, just read marx
Carson Diaz
Camden Rogers
When has it been done before? Your anarcho-communism thing in Spain? Which got put down by the fascists? Yep
Julian Butler
Also, like how all your points boil down to pearl clutching, and acting appalled, rather than making a point.
Asher Foster
Propaganda saying everything in Venezeula was better before Chavez and only the gospel of Hayek can make things better.
Luke Stewart
You guys are the one who got hostile with me for being "petit-bourgeoisie." If you are not trying to make the best of your situation under a capitalist system, then what the fuck are you doing? Doing revolution? lmao.
Joshua Ortiz
At least try to make a point, Christ.
Elijah Foster
It is a point. You can't defend yourself against Franco Spain. lmao. What makes you think you can defend yourself against right-wing death squads now?
James Martinez
haha what the fuck
like 70% of the economy is still private sector
yeah man, communists have NEVER won against fascists or right wingers before
Benjamin Richardson
What point are you making?
What fucking incentive does anyone have to labour to begin with? To procure resources for themselves. We live in a world with specialized labour. People specialize in certain types of labour and then trade the goods and services they produce for other goods and services they need.
Oh but I thought the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, etc. wasn't real socialism? The common argument made by Zig Forums. Except for the ☭TANKIE☭s who believe that state ownership counts as real socialism
Michael Baker
You said it like it’s a point that you couldn’t logically have a command economy. Now it’s just moving the goal post to, “if you have a successful command economy we’ll just come smash it”. Well, no shit.
Asher Butler
tbh this is more an endorsement of ML than an endorsement of capitalism
I'm a succdem and even I realize that the collapse of the eastern bloc was a net negative for those countries
Samuel Evans
Well you have to protect your society from outside forces. If you're going to just seize the means of production from the evil bourgeoisie, don't you think the bourgeoisie are going to try to get that shit back? Like the Spanish did when they made an alliance with Franco's government?
Parker Kelly
nobody wants to nationalize your gay bar tbh
Matthew White
hmmm it's almost as if capital sees socialism in any country as a threat to global capitalism and capitalism have a unified class interest in suppressing it
cool show up your wallet history then :3
Gabriel Ortiz
99% of all """""""""""small businessmen"""""""""""" on or from Zig Forums are fucking larpers
Evan Cruz
That you don’t have one
Half true. There’s labor that’s about maintenance, for instance.
Are you trying to say specialized labor wouldn’t exist under communism?
Lincoln Williams
well I just don't see the point of supporting the noble petit-bourgeoisie in their struggle against the imperialism of wagies on imageboards. considering the proletariat is the revolutionary class, and the petit-bourgeois elements of society have literally always sided with capital in the past, it seems like you have your priorities out of order
Ryder Morgan
have fun being unemployed succdem. Where I live, thousands of jobs have been lost since the minimum wage has increased by 20%. And labour hours have been cut. Your social democracy is bullshit.
Jaxon Powell
source?
Brody Davis
at best they're probably just McGig Economy(TM) proles who bought all the propaganda about how driving for Uber is being "an independent entrepreneur" or some shit
Jayden Wood
tbh very few make that argument here. You're thinking about Zig Forums, which is where the majority of anarchists hang out, which are the people that jack off the catalonia and what not.
Brandon Richardson
I have been shitposting on Zig Forums on-and-off for 2 1/2 years. This board is ☭TANKIE☭ now?
Henry White
That’s irrelevant to what we were originally talking about. Are you going to make a point about command economies being unfeasible or are you going to continue weasel out by moving the goal post? Make up your mind.
Zachary Hernandez
There are ERP thread on 4chan full of people who get off on getting cucked by their 2D waifus who have more self-respect than Zig Forumsyps who delude themselves into thinking that fiverr slaves are free independent businessmen
Adrian Campbell
that's not really a common argument here
have you ever even read any leftist literature? at all?
true, true
alright satan
that's not an argument for capitalism, that's an argument AGAINST it
eh, not explicitly
anarchists and leftcoms still post here a lot
Benjamin Martinez
In order for command economies to be feasible, you have to be able to defend your society from the inevitable bourgeoisie backlash.
Catalonia Anarchists, Soviet Union, Cuba, China, where are all of them now? Even Cuba gave up and is going capitalist now.
Logan Rodriguez
Not today, prince of lies.
Samuel Johnson
So are you going to admit that you can't defend your original assertion and are just moving the goalposts
also still waiting on that source, bucko
Dominic Jackson
what original assertion you fucking idiot? If you can't defend a command economy society form bourgeoisie retaliation, then what does it fucking matter? Why do you insist on living in a fantasy land in your mind where bourgeoisie retaliation doesn't exist?
Alexander Smith
OK, you cowardly faggot, move the goal post it is then.
Daniel Ortiz
your original assertion being "you can't transition from a market economy to a planned economy"
and then you moved the goalposts to "well they can't defend it so it doesn't matter"
and then when someone explains it has been defended you go "not real socialism"
Eli Sanders
oh wow employers laid off all of the part-time help they hired for christmas in January
what a surprise
Ryder Flores
That’s a nice Molymeme you got there
Carter Taylor
I don't side with capital necessarily, I side with my own self-interest. You don't have the ability to procure capital in order to start your own business. So naturally you're going to hate everyone who managed to start their own business. And somehow you have this fantasy that labour is gonna fucking own everything and the bourgeoisie is not gonna fucking put a bullet in your head for stealing their private property.
Justin Stewart
No, he won’t. He’s going to bitch out like all of them do. Fucking weasels.
Angel Ross
we are many you are few motherfucker.
Luke Cook
BIGGEST DECLINE SINCE 2009!!
Jeremiah Bailey
Bull, people love Engels
Ryder Reed
Come at me you LARPING faggot.
Parker Rogers
We had a thread for this already
Eli Lee
Who's larping? oh yeah the guy pretending that he owns a business
Cooper Russell
it just sounds like you're just suggesting a people's army to enforce a revolution or something
hmmmm
Jacob Reyes
Where is you revolution faggot?
Dylan Foster
It’s way more utopian to believe capitalism will last forever. Even liberals think we’ll reach a tipping point. Fukuyamaism is dead.
Leo Parker
Yeah like that has worked before.
Society Union? CUCKED.
China? CUCKED.
Cuba? CUCKED.
Wyatt Gray
Shit lad, are you a theater? Because you're sure as hell projecting as hard as one.
Evan Ortiz
BREAKING NEWS ON LEFTYPOL WE HAVE NO REASON TO LIVE SO WE TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT
Jeremiah Miller
thestar.com
hmmm it's almost like forcing businesses to give more money to their workers stimulates the economy or something
So you're admitting that you don't own a business then. cool
Jackson Perez
You're looking at Canada. The 20% minimum wage hike was exclusive to Ontario.
Thomas Nguyen
also, BIG shout out to the actual small business owners out there who think you're committing a hate crime against them if you suggest that they can live on less than $50k a year
Jose Phillips
Liek potpourri
Gabriel Bell
So? You cited job data for Canada in your FinPo article.
Noah Harris
oh you're a phoneposter, what a surprise
your examples are just examples of countries liberalizing and either collapsing or turning capitalist
which doesn't even help your point, as former soviet countries are shitholes instead of a superpower and china is a shitshow for worker's rights
what point are you even trying to make? is it against liberalism? or socialism? what's your point?
Brandon Thomas
I wonder how he feels about the fact that a lot of his aut-right fellow travelers want the same confiscatory taxes, generous social programs and wealth redistribution that succdems do
Wyatt Ward
No you guys are scared little bitches. You're not gonna do shit.
You're hating on me for just because I am doing what is within my own self-interest within the system that I live in (capitalism). If you're not trying to work towards your own self-interest, then what the fuck are you doing with your life?
Jaxon Butler
He probably wouldn’t even see the irony, tbh. Hes too busy trying to come up with a real zinger that includes the word cuck or soyboy, atm.
Alexander Mitchell
Trying to spread socialism IS in our self interest though, are you thick?
Hell, we only need a far lower proportion of our class to violently resist yours than you do.
David Parker
ooh, a tough guy
our self-interest is socialism you mong
Colton Collins
*working 80 hour work weeks to clean and maintain a duplicate set of machinery and stock that competes with near-identical vendors just down the street*
THIS IS IN MY BEST INTEREST U SOYBOY
Robert Sanchez
Not gonna lie, I'm starting to unironically think that kulaks deserved worse if all piglets have this mentality.
John Ross
Whoa calm downthere, bateman.
Dominic Hill
some of us own the MoP because we're real lonely and just want someone to talk to uwu
Ayden Young
Seriously, what kind of gymnastics does it take to support exploitation, and then call me the cuck? The government and private business owns you, and you support them doing so, and then go on the Internet and call me a cuck. That's called irony, fucknut.
Yeah, probably, because I don't want to be some chucklefuck with a hard on for authority lord in over my serfs. Seriously just fuck off loser.