Anti-war Organization and Repression in the West -- and the state of leftypol

Imperialist ramp-up
The USA is pushing its international provocations and aggression to the limit, and this is insanely dangerous. Facing the defeat of its terrorist proxy forces in Syria and a budding insurgency against its "Rojava" military occupation of North East Syria, US-NATO has planned and is itching to execute a full-scale bombing campaign and invasion. US-NATO war propaganda has become totally deranged, and no longer seeks to create even temporarily "credible" pretexts– the Skripals are still alive (both of them), and the latest "bombing" in Douma was not even the typical false-flag attack, it simply did not happen at all. However, Syria is of immense strategic importance to the US-NATO project of enslaving the planet, and Russia, Iran, and China all know this. The military capabilities of these countries are extremely advanced, and actually surpass those of US-NATO in some key areas such as hypersonic missiles. The new generation of hypersonic missiles render literally all of US-NATO's military bases and ships worthless. An open confrontation with Russia and China would result in the rapid destruction of their Navy fleets, and all of their bases in the MENA region (and elsewhere). The only other recourse US-NATO has is nuclear war, which is evidently viewed as a real and desireable option by many top people in Washington, but even this wouldn't enable a full-scale invasion for an empire without a navy, it would just destroy the planet. None of this is "Trump policy" or "Clinton policy," it is just part of the plan that US-NATO have worked on and carried out for decades. Regardless what happens in this current standoff, we are headed to a new stage in the imperialist war for global domination, and this corresponds to domestic policy: if you think it is legal to be a socialist or a communist in the West, you are going to be proven very, very wrong soon enough, be it a week, a year, or five years from now.

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Other urls found in this thread:

aclu.org/news/documents-shed-new-light-pentagon-surveillance-peace-activists
youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk
twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/984042892627820544
twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/978160421197594625
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Fascist ramp-up vs. workers and socialists
Since the CIA-Saudi 9/11 attacks, the USA and other imperialist countries have bathed their populace in ever-growing waves of fascist repression, with the top aim of the total elimination of anti-imperialist or "anti-war" dissent within these countries. Objectively, "anti-war" sentiment and organization in the USA is even worse-off today than it was in the early post-9/11 years. The fascist assault on anti-imperialists, already intense enough under Bush and Obama, is now also intensifying to match the intensification of the imperialist assault abroad. Anti-imperialist organizers aren't just starting from 0 right now, they are starting from the negative numbers. Existing socialist or "anti-war" organizations are either completely FBI/CIA-controlled honeypots (such as Code Pink or the Democrat Cops of America), or broken, heavily-infiltrated, and amateurish parties (such as PSL). Anyone who becomes heavily involved in either kind of organization will find themsleves ensnared by law enforcement one way or another, and will thus be rendered useless to anti-imperialism. Many socialists engage in borderline disgraceful practices such as posting about politics on Facebook, which will also lead to their arrest or demise. Not only is law enforcement working against you, but your own past actions are as well. Delete your posts and/or accounts while you still can, and you will hopefully become a lower priority or evade the eyes of local law enforcement. Consider your position to be similar to that of German communists in the WWI era, but in some ways far worse– since your task is to build an anti-imperialist movement from almost nothing, and modern surveillance is beyond anything the old-time fascists ever dreamed of. There's no way around the fact that socialists in most imperialist countries are tasked with building an "anti-war"/anti-imperialist movement from scratch (convincing as many people as possible to leave the honeypot orgs), and have totally failed their comrades in Syria. If you can, you should put up posters, leaflets, etc. around places with heavy foot traffic denouncing the present imperialist aggression. Stop posting putrid Posadas memes and wishing for the "excitement" of a war news cycle. But that won't make much of a difference if you don't have an organization. Just as the international situation is now extremely volatile and uncertain, so too is the domestic situation for Westerners. There could be a continual gradual buildup, or a sudden wave of fascist repression.

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Zig Forums and leftypol
Zig Forums is not a suitable place for socialists. Imageboards are not suitable places for socialists, though they have some desirable characteristics, such as anonymity and deletion of post history (if the FBI isn't straight-up mirroring Zig Forums's servers). Generally speaking, the entire Western internet is not suitable for socialists, or won't be very soon (see the shadowbanning of socialists all over social media, the delisting of socialist sites from Google results, etc). Zig Forums was a very bad and naive idea, and though it had some positive outcomes, I'm skeptical that they outweigh the negative outcomes. A number of imperialist propaganda campaigns were amplified by posters here, and overall the point of imageboards is to get people addicted and waste their time. While I was able to kick out some of our worst posters, we also lost some mods, and we need more mods. But recruiting mods gets more difficult each time. I don't have time to moderate Zig Forums all day, and it's a very inefficient use of socialist efforts to moderate or even simply post here. And I worry that myself and the other mods could get knocks on our doors some time down the line. I'm not sure what to do about the board right now.

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You just turned this from worrying about Syria into being worried about yourself, how the fuck did you do that

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We dead?

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No

Ideas?

How long has BO been a 9/11 conspiracist?

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B.O. wants to kill Zig Forums

They are though.

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What level of Board Ownership are you on

Totally.

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isis?
more like, iwasis

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because your ideas are so dangerous right? ohh I hope the government doesn't kill you, you radical rebel :^)

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Just nuke the board so we can build a better moderated shithole to enjoy our final days.

Lol support Turkey in their noble struggle against Kurd imperialism

American surveillance spied on Quakers for being pacifist.

aclu.org/news/documents-shed-new-light-pentagon-surveillance-peace-activists

they won't come for BO or any of us. we're not a thread. it's a wet dream.

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But we are a thread!

i have dyslexia

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No, the Popular Resistance and other pro-govt militias.

There's an imperialist assault -> we need to oppose it -> what can we do? -> what can I do? -> what can I do with Zig Forums, if anything?


Everyone's a 9/11 conspiracist, unless they think it is just an event that randomly happened.


It just depends what stage we're at. Eventually they might come for small/insignificant people.

nice deflection. the difference is you said it was a conspiracy between the CIA and Saudi Arabia and not a conspiracy between al Qaeda terrorists, which is strange to most people.

So what? It's true. The CIA, Saudis, and their Al Qaeda operatives conspired to carry out the attacks. This is almost mainstream knowledge at this point.

explains why you can't read the situation

Bait and see what bites.
I had a friend who got stung off a gay site, so later I set up an a profile with similar criteria filled out. I don't know for certain if the first guy to contact me was a cop with AIDs, but the first guy to contact me definitely gave off a strong "cop who mockingly claims to have AIDs" impression from his profile. I messaged him back, and he never responded - I think he thought I was somebody else.

BO breakdown the thread

Pretty unambiguously involved. And in spite of it officially being carried out by an international terrorist organization, the US opted to invade Afghanistan (and is still there) and basically let Bin Laden go wherever for 10 years before deciding to kill him.

NO MORE JEWISH WARS FOR ISRAEL

We on the right are reaching out an olive branch here commies. Priority number one until summer is to prevent a war in Syria, stop with your LARPing and we will stop with ours. United on this issue we might sway the general opinion of the people and root out any pro-war shills.

Also, call this number to reach the White House and tell them that you're not interested in any intervention in Syria
+1 202-456-1111
Remember to sound like a trumptard, phrase it in a nationalistic way(not in the interest of the people); talk about the economic cost of such a war, and how this will affect the soldiers.

Reminder that you should do cardio if you want to stop looking like the amazing atheist.

No offense.

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Lifting burns more calories than cardio.

I was pointing out that you think the CIA did 9/11. Why does talking to you feel like arguing with Stefan Molyneux? not worth my time, you fucking anti-communist fraud.

Daily reminder that “Marxists” who oppose American imperialism are revisionists. Marx and Engels supported the conquest of Mexican terriorties by the United States because they reconginzed the civilizing effects of Western imperialism: “In America, we have witnessed the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced at it. It is to the interest of its own development that Mexico will be placed under the tutelage of the United States.”

Yeah but he/she/it/apachelicopxer wont get cute toned girly looking parts with gains like that.

The secret is diet, cardio, butt and hair for a girly body.

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It's not the Turks. It's the Popular Resistance in the Eastern Region.

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There is no real distinction between real life and social media at this point. While there must of course be a leftist presence on the ground, the internet has replaced the mainstream media in many ways, and there is no way leftist should just surrender it to the alt-right. There is no reason why a YouTube video with over 10k clicks is supposed to have less effect on the discourse than a dozen Trots distributing newspapers on a campus. Imageboards have there role in this battle, take Zig Forums for example: The amount of seriously committed Zig Forums Nazis is probably not that high, but there is no denial that many memes, talking points and tactics the right uses have originated on Zig Forums and have almost entered the mainstream. As such, they even had an influence in the election so that Hillary had to mention fucking Zig Forums in a speech.

Zig Forums has a bunch of small successes as well. For example, we managed to get Cockshott popular again.

ffs just turn "ownership" over to somebody else already

I vote BPP.

Of course you can get skinnyfit with lifting. Just eat less.

But why would you want to do it that way?

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This

it should either be Afroplasm (not the person, but the idea)

Most of the militias are both anti-government and anti-communist. They're usually libertarian or religious in nature.

forgot to add the scond part
or the dude who always spams those shitty alt-right cringe pics

No, that guy has the weirdest opinions.

but you will have to eat less forever

The internet is not some kind of neutral thing, it was created by the USA as a way to wage war and spy on people. Today, foreign internets and soc media might be usable by communists, but posting on most Western websites, especially soc media, is basically informing on yourself. Sure, someone has to do it, but they should do so with fake identities and proxies unless they are prepared to face the consequences.

Yeah.

They're assholes backed by local tribal leaders. They don't want autonomy. They want authority and capitalism.

Kill it so hopefully we will able to get back some of our better posters and merge with Zig Forums

I don't think that would solve the problems presented by BO here

If you want to lose weight you have to eat less than what you use up, yes. There is no way arround this.

Seriously, you sound like those girls who never work out there arms because they think they get big arms just from a single biceps workout with 5kg dumbells. If that would be true, everybody would look like the Rock after three gym sessions. "Not getting too buff" is the last thing you should worry about

Ehhh…

"Secret History of the Internet" or whatever it's called kinda overplays that, I think. It's not like the only conceivable usage for connected computer networks is surveillance, it's the same technology that the military/government uses to communicate with itself, too. All this time, the US military/industrial complex tends to get its backdoors from private players.

My opinions are pretty sensible.

I'm not really that worried if the government has my information because I'm not doing anything illegal, and I don't strive to get employed by a government institution. So it doesn't matter to me. I understand this is a different situation for comrades in less tolerating countries, where communism is basically illegal, such as South Korea. In South Korea they could basically arrest you for browsing this board.

t. Yasha Levine

Not trying to be rude, but you always express the most lukewarm "common sense" type of opinions that often tip-toe arround a clear stance on an issue.

You made up a lot from just what I said, I didn't disagree. But I tried eating less once and that landed me into anorexia. Sounds overhyped but it's dirt easy.

youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk

Oh well, that's bullshit. I'm sorry for that. But honestly, eating slightly less than your required calorie intake you need to keep your weight is not a harsh diet. You can still eat a lot of shit, like salads. A lot of calories are often just greasy stuff on most foods, staple food like rice and pasta, or unnecessary amounts of sugar. To cut down on those is easy, just stop eating staple food that goes with most meals.

Some extremists would have us plant the whole planet with corn, and I think that's too far.

The Exile hucksters are far from the only ones to point this out.


I don't get it, do you think Facebook and Google spy on people or not? Western soc media is enemy territory, and should be treated as such. It never didn't belong to the "alt right" or whoever.

The thing is, a lot of this spying is done by computers. Individual agents only become active once a group becomes too big. You can always screw with their algorithms, like writing Syria like S-Y-R-I-A on YouTube.

I didn't do just that, it's just how it started. Obviously more is required. Like a dumbass brain and psychological predisposition. But if BO wants twinkmode he can just cut out the sodas and chocolates and crisps that waste his money anyway, I felt much better.

They're in the process of upgrading all their stuff with new machine learning algorithms, this kind of trick is outdated. Same for IRL, we need ways to counter facial ID.

Don't worry, BO. With the advent of nuclear weapons, multi-polar imperialism is a self-correcting problem.

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Of course they do - but that's the thing. The idea that the US military designed the internet for this express purpose only to both use it for their own communications and rely on third parties to do their actual spying (and their own commercial spying) doesn't really hold up that well to me. There's also the matter of apparent existing legal limits on what they can do, which are gradually removed to give them more room.

I always make my own drinks, mixing orange juice and sparkling mineral water for example. Tastes better than normal Fanta for me, although I've heard from people that it would be "too bitter", but personally, I can't stand when drinks are too sweet.

I know people who drink 1,5l of Coke, Sprite or Fanta everyday. Some of them blow up some others have a sixpack. Everybody has different metabolisms I guess.

Nobody should drink soda tbh.

I want to remind people that if they get banned they can come to Zig Forums
Also Che if you're so concerned you should step down.

For all the good people of this board who don't think that:
1) geopolitics is a video game
2) communism is when there is a red team and a blue team and you cheer for the red team
3) an anonymous imageboard should have absurd and inconsistently applied ideological purity enforced by moderation
4) a fucking flyer campaign is the way to make the people rise up and stop imperialism
5) schizophrenia is a desirable quality in a head moderator of a forum
>>>Zig Forums exists. It's a much slower board but the quality of posts and threads is generally far far higher. I genuinely do not recognise Zig Forums anymore, it's seemingly devolved into a parody of itself since the split, the mass ideological bans and loss of userbase.
If you've been fed propaganda of Zig Forums being an anarchist or 'libsoc' echochamber where MLs get banned you've been lied to, I'm afraid. Go see for yourself.

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Zig Forums doesn't have a very good posting quality.

No it isn't, stop telling yourself that. Zig Forums pretended to take all the "quality posters" of Zig Forums with it, and has not lived up to this.

It's just a place to go when you get banned, calm down

Zig Forums isn't necessarily "higher quality," though some good discussion occasionally takes place. Zig Forums however has become r/LateStageCapitalism for people who don't like Reddit.

The majority of effortposters have simply stopped coming to both boards, probably because they realize posting on Zig Forums is a waste of time.

More like because your insane and inane moderation drives away anyone who wanted to offer discussion.

Like all leftist spaces on Earth.

Better than here, but that doesn't mean much. Post quality in general has been on the decline because all the good posters get banned or disillusioned with the moderation. Since Zig Forums doesn't exactly present itself as an ideal alternative people just quit posting on Zig Forums entirely.

Or you cultivated a shit board environment with your shambolic moderation which caused the board to bleed users until it became a shadow of its former self.

if Zig Forums posters make actually good posts, that provocate good and quality discussion, they don't get banned
if they post shit like
or
or
or
they do get banned, because posters like that don't deserve to be listened to anywhere on the internet

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Zig Forums has declined massively in quality in the last 6 months but don't delude yourself into believing Zig Forums is in any way better, its slow, its threads are nothing but trash and the posters there are primarily pseudo-radical liberal types.
Even though BO bans me once a week its still more worthwhile to keep posting here than use Zig Forums.
I hope BO gets paranoid enough about cia to leave forever and hand the board to someone who isn't a fucking sweak-willed schizo

That has nothing to do with my post.

your post is shit either way

The problem is, high-effort posts are kinda useless because most people won't read it and the thread is gone after a week. I've made a few and I realized I'm better off running a blog for that, so people can actually see it

Primary function of this board should be to share pdf, popularize good theoretical works, memes, discussion of news, venting, and shitting on e-celebs. Effortposts surely should be made but it's probably only worth it if they are controversial, opposing of a popular opinion to stand against a circlejerk or trying to make a point in an already existing argument. Those ones are useful.

that's the problem though, Zig Forums posters do not get banned unless they go full retard, leftists who do not toe the extreme third-worldist party line do

you can make a thread about how Hitler did nothing wrong and blacks must be lynched and it'll stay up for days, but post a picture of a Western soldier or dare to criticize Putin or Assad and you get instantly hotpocketed

I won't argue against this
still the point of Zig Forums is to have a place to go when you get banned

Nobody is going to convert to Nazism because of Zig Forums shitposts. The problem is, that there leftist tendencies that implicitly support imperialism and can lure people in with their nonsense. Trots literally have it as their brand value to talk to newbies like "STALIN WAS BAD DUDE BUT WE ARE THE TRUE SOCIALISTS", Anarchists as well, with their "authoritarian socialism" meme.

Similar how the church didn't care about religious minorities or atheists in the middle ages, but sent the Inquisition only against other Latin Christians who criticized the official line, because that had subversive power.

You're shit.

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I've been banned for posts suggesting that Putin is a corrupt plutocrat. You don't need to go full Trot to get banned, criticizing BRICS and Syrian leadership and saying you would prefer actual socialists to them is enough.

It was just an example to explain why organisations often set up higher standards for their members because it has subversive potential.

chinese state media posts this video denouncing US aggression
twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/984042892627820544
imo china is firmly backing russia. this should be expected, but many people are trying to promote some kind of narrative of discord between the two countries.

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I haven't heard anything about discord between China and Russia. They recently affirmed their military partnership actually. I am happy they are countering American imperialist domination even if they are only doing it in pursuit of imperialist aspirations of their own. Better a multi-polar world than NATO domination.

the absolute state of this board

holy fuck, this guy's burns are great
twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/978160421197594625


shut up about "imperialist aspirations," I can aspire to fly, doesn't mean I can or will.

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They already are imperialist. Stop sucking their cocks you stupid piece of shit.

broke: form alliances with our enemies to stop something
joke: allow our enemies to stand for a cause we don't believe in
woke: stand for a cause in a way that alienates our enemies making us the main purveyor of said cause
bespoke: stand for a cause in such a way our enemies see we are right in other issues and become a part of us

Can't have another 1917 without another 1914.